The most sensitive, and in this case ignorant fans that exist are the 70% of Green Bay Packer fans that wanted Brett Farve to either lose to the Saints or lose in the Super Bowl. See below link.
http://www.jsonline.com/polls/82366577.html?results=y&oid=4&mr=1&cid=8500544&pid=82366577
Furthermore, Bob McGinn of the Journal Sentinel writes:
Joy reigns in Packerland. Brett Favre has struck out. Unless his extraordinary career has other chapters to write, Favre won't be going to the Super Bowl wearing the purple and white No. 4 jersey of the Minnesota Vikings. The 40-year-old quarterback reverted to his old bad Brett form Sunday night, forcing a pair of costly second-half interceptions that cost the Vikings the opportunity to win the NFC Championship Game in regulation time.
All Brett Farve did was reserruct Green Bay from the outhouse of the NFL, to the organization it is today. Green Bay didn't want the guy back...after he lead team to 2007 NFC Championship. The guy could still play, as evidenced by this year. Can one person tell me why in the hell any Green Bay fans have ill-will toward the guy - when he was basically released from the Packers?? I love Aaron Rodgers, and think he is great and will be unbelieveable as a QB - but he too didn't exactly play too clutch in the AZ game - critical turnovers at beginning and end of game.
And some say MU fans are sensitive?? Sorry for the rant - for those who disagree with my position - please help me understand why my thinking is flawed?
Didn't aaron rodgers throw for like 400 yards and 5 td's against arizona? I seem to recall the score being like 54 48 or something crazy.
If you are trying to make the comparison to the way MU fans feel about Crean after he left, you are right, there are different circumstances. However, should Packer fans really ever want Detroit, Chicago, or Minnesota to go to the Super Bowl no matter who is on the teams?
Favre was not exactly an angel as he left the Packers waiting for his decision and could never make his mind up. But he did want to stay in Green Bay if he could have it his way, but the organization thought it was time for a change. Crean left on his own accord.
MU fans want to see Indiana lose to Iowa and Packer fans want to see the Vikings lose. One could argue that both sentiments are unfounded, but MU fans wanting to see Crean lose after leaving those seniors hanging like he did has a little bit more foundation.
I think Rogers and Buzz are better for both teams anyway.
This should be in the Superbar....
But it has everything to do with how he retired...changed his mind...changed it again...changed it yet again, and decided to wage a PR battle against the franchise. Brett Favre has been given too much of a free pass by too many people for the stunts he pulled between March and August of 2008. For a guy I always loved as a player, it certainly left a bitter taste in a lot of people's mouths.
And by the way, I was rooting against the Vikings, not because of Favre, but just because I always root against the Vikings. I think most Packer fans were the same way.
Quote from: Ners on January 25, 2010, 10:11:12 AM
And some say MU fans are sensitive?? Sorry for the rant - for those who disagree with my position - please help me understand why my thinking is flawed?
Apparently some MU fans are hypersensitive. The case-in-point is you crying about the sensitivity remark nearly a week after it initially happened. Get over it.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 25, 2010, 10:23:02 AM
This should be in the Superbar....
But it has everything to do with how he retired...changed his mind...changed it again...changed it yet again, and decided to wage a PR battle against the franchise. Brett Favre has been given too much of a free pass by too many people for the stunts he pulled between March and August of 2008. For a guy I always loved as a player, it certainly left a bitter taste in a lot of people's mouths.
And by the way, I was rooting against the Vikings, not because of Favre, but just because I always root against the Vikings. I think most Packer fans were the same way.
Exactly
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 25, 2010, 10:27:09 AM
Apparently some MU fans are hypersensitive. The case-in-point is you crying about the sensitivity remark nearly a week after it initially happened. Get over it.
Dude - Apparently you haven't gotten laid in some time...go get a release and let go of some of that back-up, build-up you've got going on. I'm far from a sensitive MU fan - but had seen that written recently on this board. Found that ironic, considering MU is in a state where 70% of Green Bay Packers fans clearly have sensitivity issues...
Quote from: Ners on January 25, 2010, 10:35:42 AM
Dude - Apparently you haven't gotten laid in some time...go get a release and let go of some of that back-up, build-up you've got going on. I'm far from a sensitive MU fan - but had seen that written recently on this board. Found that ironic, considering MU is in a state where 70% of Green Bay Packers fans clearly have sensitivity issues...
And apparently you're oversensitive when someone makes mild-mannered observations about you too.
Congratulations on overreacting to something on the Internet. Somebody's got a case of the Mondays.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on January 25, 2010, 10:31:01 AM
Exactly
As a viking fan, I cannot blame a packer fan for rooting against the vikings.
It's the nature of any rivalry.
However, I have to admit that I'm still surprised at the amount of spite some packer fans are carrying around for Favre and/or the Vikings.
My facebook and Twitter were on fire last night with Packer fans loving that "favre lost" (please note, not many "viking comments", 95% were about "Favre losing").
I guess I understand that it sucks to watch him with a rival, but there were a lot of people really reveling in his loss (even some comments about wishing he broke his leg(s) and or wouldn't be able to walk again, etc. etc.)
I understand that Packer fans are super emotional about their franchise, but some people need to relax.
Quote from: Ners on January 25, 2010, 10:11:12 AM
The most sensitive, and in this case ignorant fans that exist are the 70% of Green Bay Packer fans that wanted Brett Farve to either lose to the Saints or lose in the Super Bowl. See below link.
http://www.jsonline.com/polls/82366577.html?results=y&oid=4&mr=1&cid=8500544&pid=82366577
Furthermore, Bob McGinn of the Journal Sentinel writes:
Joy reigns in Packerland. Brett Favre has struck out. Unless his extraordinary career has other chapters to write, Favre won't be going to the Super Bowl wearing the purple and white No. 4 jersey of the Minnesota Vikings. The 40-year-old quarterback reverted to his old bad Brett form Sunday night, forcing a pair of costly second-half interceptions that cost the Vikings the opportunity to win the NFC Championship Game in regulation time.
All Brett Farve did was reserruct Green Bay from the outhouse of the NFL, to the organization it is today. Green Bay didn't want the guy back...after he lead team to 2007 NFC Championship. The guy could still play, as evidenced by this year. Can one person tell me why in the hell any Green Bay fans have ill-will toward the guy - when he was basically released from the Packers?? I love Aaron Rodgers, and think he is great and will be unbelieveable as a QB - but he too didn't exactly play too clutch in the AZ game - critical turnovers at beginning and end of game.
And some say MU fans are sensitive?? Sorry for the rant - for those who disagree with my position - please help me understand why my thinking is flawed?
Brett Favre did not resurrect Green Bay, Reggie White did. Never, ever forget that.
Green Bay wanted Brett back as long as Brett didn't want to jerk them around.
Quote from: 2002mualum on January 25, 2010, 11:20:35 AM
However, I have to admit that I'm still surprised at the amount of spite some packer fans are carrying around for Favre and/or the Vikings.
I can't understand why fans of other teams can't understand real Packer fans reactions to Favre.
How can it not make a real Packer fan smile when Brett and "the most talented team he has ever been on" didn't win (or even make it to) the Super Bowl?
Quote from: 2002mualum on January 25, 2010, 11:20:35 AM
As a viking fan, I cannot blame a packer fan for rooting against the vikings.
It's the nature of any rivalry.
However, I have to admit that I'm still surprised at the amount of spite some packer fans are carrying around for Favre and/or the Vikings.
My facebook and Twitter were on fire last night with Packer fans loving that "favre lost" (please note, not many "viking comments", 95% were about "Favre losing").
I guess I understand that it sucks to watch him with a rival, but there were a lot of people really reveling in his loss (even some comments about wishing he broke his leg(s) and or wouldn't be able to walk again, etc. etc.)
I understand that Packer fans are super emotional about their franchise, but some people need to relax.
OMG, what about JayBee. There may be some hypersensitivity by Packer fans, but JayBee is just delusional.
Quote from: MUEng92 on January 25, 2010, 12:29:42 PM
I can't understand why fans of other teams can't understand real Packer fans reactions to Favre.
How can it not make a real Packer fan smile when Brett and "the most talented team he has ever been on" didn't win (or even make it to) the Super Bowl?
Smile? I guess I can get that.
Celebrate? I dunno. I guess I'm just different than most. I don't really get it.
It's like
some Packer fans are personally offended that Brett would dare wear a purple jersey. I mean, he's just a guy playing football. I swear, it seems like a good number of fans would rather have him dead than in a Vikings uniform.
I hope I'm wrong about that... but there was a lot of crap being spewed last night.
Quote from: mu-rara on January 25, 2010, 12:52:22 PM
OMG, what about JayBee. There may be some hypersensitivity by Packer fans, but JayBee is just delusional.
I don't speak for JayBee, nor can I (or will I) paint broad strokes about "all Packer fans".
I'm specifically speaking about what I have seen, heard, or read.
Also, given JayBee's general style, my guess if that he uses a lot of hyperbole to fire some of you guys up.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 25, 2010, 12:03:13 PM
Brett Favre did not resurrect Green Bay, Reggie White did. Never, ever forget that.
Green Bay wanted Brett back as long as Brett didn't want to jerk them around.
I disagree - Reggie White NEVER would have gone to Green Bay if Brett Farve weren't there. I would say that Reggie White was huge in further resurrecting Green Bay, but Farve was the catalyst.
I also disagree that Green Bay wanted Farve back. Farve said as much. Maybe he wanted to be persuaded to comeback a little, wanted to hear it from McCarthy and Thompson (when he knew in the back of his mind they drafter Rodgers, and he too saw that Rodgers was ready to play.) Maybe he didn't want to overstay his welcome..so he retired..prematurely..but as the off season went on..he got the bug...wanted to play again..and called the Packers to say as much..at which time they moved on - and thus the drama.
I guess Viking fans will just have to wait until they, someday, have a special player playing for them while in his prime and who becomes synonymous with the name of the team before they'll truly understand the level of betrayal felt by many Packer fans.
More on topic, I, as a Packer fan, was happy the _Vikings_ lost. I've lost a lot of my animosity towards Favre so that didn't really play into it. I actually feel bad for the guy a bit, just like any other person on teams that lose hard fought games... someone has to lose and it sucks to put that much effort into something and not get the win. But the Vikings (the team) losing means I'll likely hear a lot less of the annoying crowing for the next 35 weeks. I felt the same way about Dallas losing (considering I live in the Dallas area).
Quote from: spiral97 on January 25, 2010, 01:09:31 PM
I guess Viking fans will just have to wait until they, someday, have a special player playing for them while in his prime and who becomes synonymous with the name of the team before they'll truly understand the level of betrayal felt by many Packer fans.
More on topic, I, as a Packer fan, was happy the _Vikings_ lost. I've lost a lot of my animosity towards Favre so that didn't really play into it. I actually feel bad for the guy a bit, just like any other person on teams that lose hard fought games... someone has to lose and it sucks to put that much effort into something and not get the win. But the Vikings (the team) losing means I'll likely hear a lot less of the annoying crowing for the next 35 weeks. I felt the same way about Dallas losing (considering I live in the Dallas area).
That seems totally reasonable to me.
Maybe I've just been running into the crazies. I had an acquaintance say: "He's dead to me. I hope they never retire his number and I hope he breaks his legs and can never walk again."
He meant it.
Yikes.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 25, 2010, 10:45:42 AM
And apparently you're oversensitive when someone makes mild-mannered observations about you too.
Congratulations on overreacting to something on the Internet. Somebody's got a case of the Mondays.
Your perceptions of what I've written are so off-base, you are clearly delusional. To clear the air - I could care less that MU fans have been called over-sensitive. I found it ironic, MU fans have been called such (probably by a lot of UW fans/Wisconsin residents), yet these same people are unbelieveably sensitive over the whole Farve issue.
I am a Green Bay fan, was born in WI, graduated Marquette in 97, and have lived in Texas ever since. From the outside looking in, the way Packer fans have handled the Farve situation, makes 70% them look ignorant. I do understand not wanting to see your division rival (Vikings) do great, but once GB is out of the playoffs and so long as Farve isn't playing against GB - it only seems reasonable to me to support or cheer for a QB who did so much for your franchise. But then again, my guess is that you are probably in that Ignorant 70%..with you being the most ignorant of the bunch.
Quote from: Ners on January 25, 2010, 01:16:58 PM
Your perceptions of what I've written are so off-base, you are clearly delusional. To clear the air - I could care less that MU fans have been called over-sensitive. I found it ironic, MU fans have been called such (probably by a lot of UW fans/Wisconsin residents), yet these same people are unbelieveably sensitive over the whole Farve issue.
I am a Green Bay fan, was born in WI, graduated Marquette in 97, and have lived in Texas ever since. From the outside looking in, the way Packer fans have handled the Farve situation, makes 70% them look ignorant. I do understand not wanting to see your division rival (Vikings) do great, but once GB is out of the playoffs and so long as Farve isn't playing against GB - it only seems reasonable to me to support or cheer for a QB who did so much for your franchise. But then again, my guess is that you are probably in that Ignorant 70%..with you being the most ignorant of the bunch.
I just don't want the Vikings to do well...ever. If that makes me ignorant in your eyes, so be it.
Quote from: Ners on January 25, 2010, 01:02:59 PM
I disagree - Reggie White NEVER would have gone to Green Bay if Brett Farve weren't there. I would say that Reggie White was huge in further resurrecting Green Bay, but Farve was the catalyst.
So Reggie White, one of the biggest free agency signings of that decade based his decision because of this one season by Lorenzo? I disagree.
GP GS Com Atte Com% Yds TD's Int Qb rtg.
1992 Green Bay Packers 15 13 302 471 64.1 3,227 18 13 85.3
Quote from: Ners on January 25, 2010, 01:16:58 PM
Your perceptions of what I've written are so off-base, you are clearly delusional. To clear the air - I could care less that MU fans have been called over-sensitive. I found it ironic, MU fans have been called such (probably by a lot of UW fans/Wisconsin residents), yet these same people are unbelieveably sensitive over the whole Farve issue.
I am a Green Bay fan, was born in WI, graduated Marquette in 97, and have lived in Texas ever since. From the outside looking in, the way Packer fans have handled the Farve situation, makes 70% them look ignorant. I do understand not wanting to see your division rival (Vikings) do great, but once GB is out of the playoffs and so long as Farve isn't playing against GB - it only seems reasonable to me to support or cheer for a QB who did so much for your franchise. But then again, my guess is that you are probably in that Ignorant 70%..with you being the most ignorant of the bunch.
I don't think rooting against the Vikings makes people ignorant.
I think people personally wanting Favre to receive some sort of punishment and/or taking pleasure in said punishment makes them seem spiteful and a little ignorant.
Maybe in the next 15-20 years GB will fall back to the pre-Favre levels and GB fans will realize how great he was. OR maybe GB will be even better without him and he'll become a mere footnote to A. Rodgers HOF career.
Time will tell...
Quote from: reinko on January 25, 2010, 01:31:58 PM
So Reggie White, one of the biggest free agency signings of that decade based his decision because of this one season by Lorenzo? I disagree.
GP GS Com Atte Com% Yds TD's Int Qb rtg.
1992 Green Bay Packers 15 13 302 471 64.1 3,227 18 13 85.3
Man replace Packers with Bears and those are some of the greatest number ever in Chicago. I kid, but only because it is not far from the truth. :'(
Packers fans are a different breed of (sub-?) human. There are many that feel personally affected in their daily lives due to Favre's achievements with Minnesota and the fact that he had a great year. Some of these Packers fans will tell you that it's physically painful and hurts their guts to watch Favre in purple (but the pain is probably more due to their tight pants and extraordinary brat intake).
As we all know, Brett Favre single-handedly resurrected Green Bey from the depths of crappiness. Then, GB's management and fans shat on him to show their thanks. Sad. I was unsure whether or not I could like the man, but he has proven to be a top notch competitor and a great teammate. Even if he never plays another game, I'm glad we had him here this year. SKOL VIKINGS!
The offseason should be interesting for us... QB situation... the draft... EJ Henderson's rehab... Pat Williams-coming back?... Chester... Antoine back to 100%... Percy's migranes... Leslie Frazier... these are some of the stories we'll be discussing in Vikings-land.
And Green Bey folks will talk about the normal stuff... how awful of a man Brent Favre is... how even though they've been to the playoffs fewer times than Minnesota, how far greater their 'franchise' is... how beautiful the long, blonde hair of their players is... what a great deal Old Country Buffet is... how they wish that sharp looking Packers scale at Wal Mart went up to 400 pounds... etc. With most of the discussions led by Chewy.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 25, 2010, 01:26:36 PM
I just don't want the Vikings to do well...ever. If that makes me ignorant in your eyes, so be it.
It probably isn't right for me to label anyone as ignorant, so let me apologize for that. I personally don't want the Vikings to do well either..and another made a great point - that in losing - at least we wouldn't have to hear them crow about winning this game/possibly Super Bowl for 35 weeks. I guess my big thing is that it bothers me that so many Green Bay fans have so much venom/anger toward Farve -when the guy played his A$$ for 16 years, took them to 2 Super Bowls, had only 1 losing season under him, multiple division championships, NFC championship games, etc. Prior to his arrival, what had Green Bay been for 20 years? Just seems to me we owe him some gratitude, at very least..he doesn't deserve the hate or anger many fans seem to have toward him. I believe that in his initial retirement he wasn't exactly forced out, but that McCarthy and Thompson certainly weren't asking him to stay..probably were luke warm at best toward him staying for 2008..
Wisconsin is the schadenfreude capitol of the universe right now.
I'd wager to say that the level of delight from the woe of others has never in human history been as high as it is today. The glee so many have displayed today because of a Favre-lead Viking team lost is off the charts.
Quote from: Ners on January 25, 2010, 01:02:59 PM
I disagree - Reggie White NEVER would have gone to Green Bay if Brett Farve weren't there. I would say that Reggie White was huge in further resurrecting Green Bay, but Farve was the catalyst.
You couldn't be more wrong.
Quote from: Ners on January 25, 2010, 01:51:47 PM
when the guy played his A$$ for 16 years...
It's funny you phrase it that way, because when I hear people talk about not understanding why Packer fans are so anti-Favre, I have a similar response.
Packer fans kissed Favre's A$$ for 16 years, named a street after him, named their children after him, redecorated there basements with his merchandise...then he used that A$$ to take a dump on Packer fans.
Granted, I personally only had a Favre autographed 1993 Packer Yearbook on my wall and I always felt uncomfortable when I would hear stories of fans naming their children after him (or any sports figure), but nevertheless, for many, the feelings for him were beyond just liking him as a player (I mean that in a non-man-crush way). Based on basically every interview Favre did in the 16 years in GB, fans believed the feeling was mutual.
Favre made it abundantly clear, that it was actually a one sided story and his side was the only important one to him. That is his right. But, the price he pays for that right is to cash in all of the "capitol" he had built up with Packer fans. Life goes on! Come 2025 when he has finally been retired for 5 years, will see if the hard feelings have subsided so his number can be retired.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 25, 2010, 03:34:53 PM
You couldn't be more wrong.
Actually, if Reggie White saying so himself - that Brett Farve was the reason he chose Green Bay - I don't know what more you could be looking for, as far as why Reggie White chose to come to Green Bay. Reggie White flat out said this. Reggie played what, 4 years in GB? Farve 16, and in his 16 years only 1 losing season - prior to Farve's arrival only 1 or 2 winning season in the previous 20 years? Sorry - but You couldn't be more wrong.
Quote from: Ners on January 25, 2010, 10:34:16 PM
Actually, if Reggie White saying so himself - that Brett Farve was the reason he chose Green Bay - I don't know what more you could be looking for, as far as why Reggie White chose to come to Green Bay. Reggie White flat out said this. Reggie played what, 4 years in GB? Farve 16, and in his 16 years only 1 losing season - prior to Farve's arrival only 1 or 2 winning season in the previous 20 years? Sorry - but You couldn't be more wrong.
A few things... to those disagreeing with the above, it's correct. Reggie specifically cited a game his Eagles played against the Packers in 1992 where Favre was hit early and often, I think even breaking a rib. He played through and beat the Eagles. Reggie never forgot it, and said it was a determining factor (along with the direction of the program, the facilities, and the biggest contract ever given to a defensive player) that aided in his decision to come to GB.
As far as us hyper-sensitive Packer fans... guilty as charged. I always enjoy seeing the Vikings lose, regardless of who their QB is.
Was there a little extra pleasure in the fact that the team was QBed by a guy who jerked my franchise around after retirement, then somehow weaseled his way out of New York for the purpose of playing for a divisional rival? Sure, maybe a little. But we were all too familiar with his tendency to amp himself up too much late in playoff games, even after a great regular season. Heck, I was present the last time it happened before last night.
I'm curious as to why any Packer fan SHOULDN'T feel relieved that a guy who was the face of their franchise for 16 years failed to lead a primary rival to a Super Bowl. The inverse would worry me even more. That would be apathy.
Quote from: Ners on January 25, 2010, 10:34:16 PM
Actually, if Reggie White saying so himself - that Brett Farve was the reason he chose Green Bay - I don't know what more you could be looking for, as far as why Reggie White chose to come to Green Bay. Reggie White flat out said this. Reggie played what, 4 years in GB? Farve 16, and in his 16 years only 1 losing season - prior to Farve's arrival only 1 or 2 winning season in the previous 20 years? Sorry - but You couldn't be more wrong.
Except that without Reggie White, we cannot and do not even compete for a Super Bowl. He played for GB for SIX seasons, not four. He was unequivocally the team leader for those 6 seasons. Brett Favre was a great player, but Reggie was the TEAM until the Superbowl win.
Watching the game Sunday, I came to the conclusion that Brett Favre stole my childhood. I grew up in Colorado, but my mom was from Minnesota. I grew up a Vikings fan in the era of Tarkenton, Rashad, Foreman, Eller, Marshall, etc. Even though as I grew up I became more of a Broncos fan (and eventually Cleveland, where I live now), I always had a fondness for the Vikings and rooted for them against pretty much any other team.
On Sunday, I found myself rooting for the Saints because I'm so sick of Favre. So, that's why I decided that Brett Favre stole my childhood.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 26, 2010, 06:47:48 AM
Except that without Reggie White, we cannot and do not even compete for a Super Bowl. He played for GB for SIX seasons, not four. He was unequivocally the team leader for those 6 seasons. Brett Favre was a great player, but Reggie was the TEAM until the Superbowl win.
They don't reach the superbowl without both of them.
Realistically, both players are rare talents.
Reggie was the top lineman of his generation, and maybe the best ever. He was the anchor for those teams.
Brett is one of the best ever (let's not get into the rankings, let's just agree that he's certainly in the conversation).
Longevity is the thing that jumps out to me. It's unbelievably rare to find a QB that could play at Brett's level for 16 seasons, so I have to give the edge to Favre (as far as overall importance to the franchise). Look at the # of QBs other teams drafted, signed, started and failed while Brett just kept plugging along. Even at 38 (in 2007), he was still one of the best in the league.
Reggie was fantastic and helped re-ignite the Packer franchise (super important), but it was Brett that carried the franchise from 1999-2007 after Reggie was gone.
Quote from: 2002mualum on January 26, 2010, 08:27:03 AM
They don't reach the superbowl without both of them.
Realistically, both players are rare talents.
Reggie was the top lineman of his generation, and maybe the best ever. He was the anchor for those teams.
Brett is one of the best ever (let's not get into the rankings, let's just agree that he's certainly in the conversation).
Longevity is the thing that jumps out to me. It's unbelievably rare to find a QB that could play at Brett's level for 16 seasons, so I have to give the edge to Favre (as far as overall importance to the franchise). Look at the # of QBs other teams drafted, signed, started and failed while Brett just kept plugging along. Even at 38 (in 2007), he was still one of the best in the league.
Reggie was fantastic and helped re-ignite the Packer franchise (super important), but it was Brett that carried the franchise from 1999-2007 after Reggie was gone.
Um, at 40 (in 2009), he was still one of the best in the league.
I had the same reaction to Favre's INT as I did to Garry Andersen's kick in '98. It was great. I loved it for a few hours. Then, I forgot about it.
The reason to hate the Vikings is idiot fans like JB. (by the way, are you JayHoMo on the Sportsbubbler) They come onto Forums taunting Packer fans, but can't fill their own stadium for a playoff game. When the team stinks, they are nowhere to be found.
I have no particular hatred for Favre, but I can say that I'm glad his legacy won't be connected to the Vikings 1st SB win.
Glad they lost.
Glad Favre reverted to form.
Favre being knocked around.....gravy!
Quote from: mu-rara on January 26, 2010, 09:08:30 AM
The reason to hate the Vikings is idiot fans like JB. (by the way, are you JayHoMo on the Sportsbubbler) They come onto Forums taunting Packer fans, but can't fill their own stadium for a playoff game. When the team stinks, they are nowhere to be found.
I may be in the minority, but I thought Jay Bee brought some life to the NFC North pissing match this year. Did he say inflammatory things to rile up others (especially GB Fans), yes. Did he talk excessively about the NFC North Consensus Champs the Vikes? Yes. Did Favre and the rest of the Purple Peter Eaters back up his words? Yes.
Edit: Bears fan.
Quote from: MU_B2002 on January 26, 2010, 09:19:57 AM
Did Favre and the rest of the Purple Peter Eaters back up his words? Yes.
So when are you flying down to Miami for the big game?
Wait....
Quote from: MU_B2002 on January 26, 2010, 09:19:57 AM
I may be in the minority, but I thought Jay Bee brought some life to the NFC North pissing match this year. Did he say inflammatory things to rile up others (especially GB Fans), yes. Did he talk excessively about the NFC North Consensus Champs the Vikes? Yes. Did Favre and the rest of the Purple Peter Eaters back up his words? Yes.
In my experience, guys like JayBee are all over their team when they win, and nowhere to be found later on.
Quote from: reinko on January 26, 2010, 09:25:40 AM
So when are you flying down to Miami for the big game?
Wait....
His prediction on winning the North, not the Superbowl. I should have clarified.
Quote from: mu-rara on January 26, 2010, 09:28:09 AM
In my experience, guys like JayBee are all over their team when they win, and nowhere to be found later on.
While I don't necessarily agree with JB's style, he was right quite often, and posted in the NFC north thread even after losses.
I don't think you posted at all in the NFC north thread (I could be wrong, and feel free to share with me if I am) and now you post in this thread only after the Vikes lose.
Isn't that exactly what you are accusing JB of?
As one who only lived in Wisconsin for 4 years, am I the only one who suspects an overlap between Packers fans and Badger fans? Who, BTW, are far more sensitive than MU fans. Althought I am sure there is also an overlap between MU fans and Packer fans, just not as extensive.
Quote from: 2002mualum on January 26, 2010, 09:35:41 AM
While I don't necessarily agree with JB's style, he was right quite often, and posted in the NFC north thread even after losses.
I don't think you posted at all in the NFC north thread (I could be wrong, and feel free to share with me if I am) and now you post in this thread only after the Vikes lose.
Isn't that exactly what you are accusing JB of?
JayBee's comments/digs at Packers fans make me laugh and he didn't seem to hide when they lost games, I thought he added a nice dynamic to the North pissing match.
Note: I am a Packers fan
Quote from: 2002mualum on January 26, 2010, 08:27:03 AM
Reggie was fantastic and helped re-ignite the Packer franchise (super important), but it was Brett that carried the franchise from 1999-2007 after Reggie was gone.
This is exactly what I said originally. I am not dismissing Favre, but to say he was sole catalyst is... wrong.
Quote from: 2002mualum on January 26, 2010, 09:35:41 AM
While I don't necessarily agree with JB's style, he was right quite often, and posted in the NFC north thread even after losses.
I don't think you posted at all in the NFC north thread (I could be wrong, and feel free to share with me if I am) and now you post in this thread only after the Vikes lose.
Isn't that exactly what you are accusing JB of?
I was specifically talking about all the fans disguised as empty seats in the Dump when the Vikes are having a normal season (10-6, 9-7 or worse). If JB attends when the Vikes are less than stellar, then I am wrong in singling him out.
You may be correct. I may not have posted in this thread. MU Basketball is my primary interest. Wasn't aware of the posting restriction.
I admit a little (all right, a lot) of schadenfreude (sp)? when it comes to obnoxious (JB is obnoxious, you aren't) Viking fans. I don't frequent Viking boards when the Packers are better, (most years since the 70's). JB should be able to take it as well as he dishes it out.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 26, 2010, 11:01:32 AM
This is exactly what I said originally. I am not dismissing Favre, but to say he was sole catalyst is... wrong.
Totally fair.
I think they both were the catalysts, and I have to give Brett a good amount of extra credit for longevity.
Quote from: mu-rara on January 26, 2010, 11:09:13 AM
I don't frequent Viking boards when the Packers are better, (most years since the 70's). JB should be able to take it as well as he dishes it out.
FWIW, this isn't a Packers board.
Quote from: mu-rara on January 26, 2010, 11:09:13 AM
I was specifically talking about all the fans disguised as empty seats in the Dump when the Vikes are having a normal season (10-6, 9-7 or worse). If JB attends when the Vikes are less than stellar, then I am wrong in singling him out.
Fine, but it seemed like you were talking about message boards because you even mentioned him being on another board. As far as attending games, that doesn't really have anything to do with JB's ability to be a fan or credibility.
You may be correct. I may not have posted in this thread. MU Basketball is my primary interest. Wasn't aware of the posting restriction.
No restrictions. JB wasn't hiding when they lost, and it seems like as soon as you had something to pound your chest about, you ran to the keyboard to call him out. Where were you when the Packers lost to the Vikings? You were reading the threads, but not posting. Seems hypocritical, no?
I admit a little (all right, a lot) of schadenfreude (sp)? when it comes to obnoxious (JB is obnoxious, you aren't) Viking fans. I don't frequent Viking boards when the Packers are better, (most years since the 70's). JB should be able to take it as well as he dishes it out.
No problem. Enjoy it. It's the nature of rivalries. For the record, the Vikes were a LOT better than the Packers in the 80's as well.
Everyone was a lot better than the Packers in the 80s
Reggie White came to the Packers because God told him to, in other words the Packers out bid everyone. It was all about money. If you don't know that, you didn't know Reggie.
Reggie won the Super Bowl for GB (Keith Jackson, Sean Jones, Santana Dotson all signed on b/c of Big Dog)
Favre kept GB relevant for 15 great years.
The latter might be more impressive.
Finally, the Vikings, to me, are such a half @ss organization. Right down to having to essentially steal the Packers signature QB to be win big, if Favre retires, where does this leave them? They never, ever go above and beyond. Always looking for short cuts. Hershel Walker is another prime example. My favorite anedote from this past week was Chris Kluwe going to the Metrodome to practice b/c the Viking facilities do not allow for full punting. Upon getting there Kluwe was met by dirt everywhere for a Monster Truck show. Strong organizations pour money into facilities.
Even with Favre not all games were sure fire sell outs. That is absurd to me. They have fair weather fans and fair weather owners.
Quote from: The Lens on January 26, 2010, 12:13:20 PM
Reggie White came to the Packers because God told him to, in other words the Packers out bid everyone. It was all about money. If you don't know that, you didn't know Reggie.
Reggie won the Super Bowl for GB (Keith Jackson, Sean Jones, Santana Dotson all signed on b/c of Big Dog)
Favre kept GB relevant for 15 great years.
The latter might be more impressive.
Finally, the Vikings, to me, are such a half @ss organization. Right down to having to essentially steal the Packers signature QB to be win big, if Favre retires, where does this leave them? They never, ever go above and beyond. Always looking for short cuts. Hershel Walker is another prime example. My favorite anedote from this past week was Chris Kluwe going to the Metrodome to practice b/c the Viking facilities do not allow for full punting. Upon getting there Kluwe was met by dirt everywhere for a Monster Truck show. Strong organizations pour money into facilities.
Even with Favre not all games were sure fire sell outs. That is absurd to me. They have fair weather fans and fair weather owners.
I agree with most of the above, but unfortunately, that's the team I'm stuck with.
Back in 1975 you could probably swap "vikings" and "packers" and it would be accurate.
How did things change?
The Packers "stole" Reggie and discovered Favre. Without those 2 guys Wolf and Holmgren wouldn't never have been able to accomplish what they did... but I have to give them credit for getting those two guys.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on January 26, 2010, 11:47:22 AM
Everyone was a lot better than the Packers in the 80s
I was in a coma during the 80's
Quote from: The Lens on January 26, 2010, 12:13:20 PM
Finally, the Vikings, to me, are such a half @ss organization. Right down to having to essentially steal the Packers signature QB to be win big, if Favre retires, where does this leave them? They never, ever go above and beyond. Always looking for short cuts. Hershel Walker is another prime example. My favorite anedote from this past week was Chris Kluwe going to the Metrodome to practice b/c the Viking facilities do not allow for full punting. Upon getting there Kluwe was met by dirt everywhere for a Monster Truck show. Strong organizations pour money into facilities.
Yeah, I agree, but I think that things might be changing up there. I think, while he's a little "odd," Wilf is doing the right things. First of all, Rick Spielman is a helluva GM. He's really doing a good job putting the pieces together on the field. Yeah...Childress is a little iffy at the head coach position, but I can't really say that McCarthy is any better.
I also think that they have a commitment to improve the facilities too. The city (or state) will have to step up though. But Wilf is miles ahead of where that car salesman-dude was a few years ago.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 26, 2010, 02:25:05 PM
Yeah, I agree, but I think that things might be changing up there. I think, while he's a little "odd," Wilf is doing the right things. First of all, Rick Spielman is a helluva GM. He's really doing a good job putting the pieces together on the field. Yeah...Childress is a little iffy at the head coach position, but I can't really say that McCarthy is any better.
I also think that they have a commitment to improve the facilities too. The city (or state) will have to step up though. But Wilf is miles ahead of where that car salesman-dude was a few years ago.
I agree. Gotta give the GM props. He has put a good group together. He sure does fly under the radar. Not a well known name.