Where's Hurley in all of this??? (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4849787)
Almost two years ago Hurley was the hardheaded coach looking out for the best interest of his player, which meant he wanted Tyshawn to be released from his LOI to attend Kansas. He talked about not wanting one of his players to end up in a situation where he didn't fit, and end up unhappy.
Where is Hurley now?
I watched the ESPN highlights of the KU game. TT not on the floor at crunch time....
Can he make his free throws at the end of games?
He's too busy point plankin
More than a few posters around here stated he would be over-recruited within two years. They were right. Taylor will either have to wait for an injury, be happy getting 15-20 mpg, or transfer.
Well then, it looks like Tyshawn and Hurley screwed the pooch on this one.....
Its really hard to argue that he made the "wrong" decision in going to Kansas. That is where he wanted to go from the start.
He gets to play at a school that has a legit chance at a Final 4 every year...with this year being a serious contender for the National Title.
If they dont land one of the Elite 2010 PGs/SGs (Knight, Selby, Lamb)...He will be in line for significant minutes his JR and SR years.
QuoteIf they dont land one of the Elite 2010 PGs/SGs (Knight, Selby, Lamb)...He will be in line for significant minutes his JR and SR years.
AND if he learns to keep his mouth shut and just play.
5 assists, no turnovers....I'd take him...again.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 22, 2010, 03:53:48 PM
5 assists, no turnovers....I'd take him...again.
I wouldn't. Too many off-court issues.
At least MU doesn't have a football team he could get into a fight with.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 22, 2010, 03:58:22 PM
I wouldn't. Too many off-court issues.
It seems that most of those issues are of the good old fashion boys willl be boys.....fight over a girl, who's tougher than the next guy. Been going on forever. Unless there were drugs involved or stealing or something major like that, a fight seems pretty mellow to me. Maybe there was another incident I'm not aware of.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 22, 2010, 03:06:31 PM
More than a few posters around here stated he would be over-recruited within two years. They were right. Taylor will either have to wait for an injury, be happy getting 15-20 mpg, or transfer.
Tyshawn Taylor, meet Bobby Frasor.
Anyhow, if he's happier getting limited PT at Kansas than a starring role at Marquette or somewhere else, there's nothing wrong with that. Bobby Frasor was smart enough to know he'd be recruited over at UNC, and he went there anyhow because it was a "dream" school.
That said, Taylor comes off at best as being pretty naive if he believed he was a lock to be a four-year starter and primary option at KU.
If I was TT, I'd look at it this way: I'm at KU. I can WIN a championship here. It may not be about ME but when "One Shining Moment" begins playing and I'm crying, I'll remember why I'm here...
...and not MU.
:/
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 22, 2010, 03:58:22 PM
I wouldn't. Too many off-court issues.
Right............
Cause we didn't have a Senior asked off the team for his smoking activities off the court.
Cause we didn't have a Freshman asked off the team because of his overbearing parent off the court.
Cause we didn't have a committed recruit sexually assault someone off the court.
Cause we didn't cut ties with one of the top shooting guard prospects in the country because his handlers keep getting in the way off the court.
We have plenty of issues off the court.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 22, 2010, 05:29:53 PM
Right............
Cause we didn't have a Senior asked off the team for his smoking activities off the court.
Cause we didn't have a Freshman asked off the team because of his overbearing parent off the court.
Cause we didn't have a committed recruit sexually assault someone off the court.
Cause we didn't cut ties with one of the top shooting guard prospects in the country because his handlers keep getting in the way off the court.
We have plenty of issues off the court.
So you're saying we should continue to take chances on risky players because they haven't paid off in the past????
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 22, 2010, 05:29:53 PM
Right............
Cause we didn't have a Senior asked off the team for his smoking activities off the court.
Cause we didn't have a Freshman asked off the team because of his overbearing parent off the court.
Cause we didn't have a committed recruit sexually assault someone off the court.
Cause we didn't cut ties with one of the top shooting guard prospects in the country because his handlers keep getting in the way off the court.
We have plenty of issues off the court.
Marquette basketball has gone rogue.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 22, 2010, 05:29:53 PM
Right............
Cause we didn't have a Senior asked off the team for his smoking activities off the court.
Cause we didn't have a Freshman asked off the team because of his overbearing parent off the court.
Cause we didn't have a committed recruit sexually assault someone off the court.
Cause we didn't cut ties with one of the top shooting guard prospects in the country because his handlers keep getting in the way off the court.
We have plenty of issues off the court.
1. Don't know enough about it
2. He's not here anymore
3. He will never be here
4. He will never be here
I fail to see how we can have off court issues if 3 of the 4 people you reference aren't part of the program.
Furthermore, just because you have some, doesn't me you should get more.
The kid is spoiled. He should be grateful for earning a scholarship to one of the greatest college basketball programs in the country.
Hurley should be blamed for enabling this kid. Self is completely right for being pissed--and so should be the fans.
Can you imagine a team with Maymon and TT? Let's hope he learns from this---I hope he doesn't transfer, and learns/respect his role.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 22, 2010, 06:57:44 PM
I fail to see how we can have off court issues if 3 of the 4 people you reference aren't part of the program.
You must be in politics with math like that. Two of the four listed were full members of the program during their issues. The third was a part of the program but not on the team this year during his issue. And the fourth may still find himself in the program despite his issues.
Oh, that's right, I'm sure you'll say since they aren't around
today then there aren't any "off the court" issues. Bottom line, we've had issues; we still have issues; we will have issues. To me, pooh-poohing a kid who punched his girl's ex-boyfriend on the basis of his "issues" reeks of a double standard (and probably some leftover bitterness).
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 22, 2010, 09:51:50 PM
You must be in politics with math like that. Two of the four listed were full members of the program during their issues. The third was a part of the program but not on the team this year during his issue. And the fourth may still find himself in the program despite his issues.
Oh, that's right, I'm sure you'll say since they aren't around today then there aren't any "off the court" issues. Bottom line, we've had issues; we still have issues; we will have issues. To me, pooh-poohing a kid who punched his girl's ex-boyfriend on the basis of his "issues" reeks of a double standard (and probably some leftover bitterness).
Well let's be honest, the first two are instances are rumor and innuendo. Don't claim they are facts, when the whole truth is not known.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 22, 2010, 09:51:50 PM
You must be in politics with math like that. Two of the four listed were full members of the program during their issues. The third was a part of the program but not on the team this year during his issue. And the fourth may still find himself in the program despite his issues.
Oh, that's right, I'm sure you'll say since they aren't around today then there aren't any "off the court" issues. Bottom line, we've had issues; we still have issues; we will have issues. To me, pooh-poohing a kid who punched his girl's ex-boyfriend on the basis of his "issues" reeks of a double standard (and probably some leftover bitterness).
Double standard???? A double standard would be if I supported the actions of the instances you listed, but then didn't support the actions of TT. I don't think any MU fan was too happy to hear about the four instances you felt the need to bring up, and not wanting to add to that list is not a double standard. Some might be crazy enough to call it learning from mistakes. A double standard would be something like you posting a stupid comment, not owning up to it, and then blaming someone else for posting a stupid comment.
Sporting News is reporting that taylor is considering transferring, although right now it is a little vague.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 22, 2010, 04:28:52 PM
It seems that most of those issues are of the good old fashion boys willl be boys.....fight over a girl, who's tougher than the next guy. Been going on forever. Unless there were drugs involved or stealing or something major like that, a fight seems pretty mellow to me. Maybe there was another incident I'm not aware of.
As Jason Whitlock wrote, this was not a "boys will be boys" and fighting over girls. He equated it to two rival gangs, setting up a time and location for a fight.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 22, 2010, 09:51:50 PM
You must be in politics with math like that. Two of the four listed were full members of the program during their issues. The third was a part of the program but not on the team this year during his issue. And the fourth may still find himself in the program despite his issues.
Not politics. Just stating the truth. Acker is hear, but all we hear is rumor. Maymon is gone. Clark was never part of the program. He was a committed recruit that would have been here starting in 2010-11. I actually don't know who you are referencing in the fourth.
So...yeah we do have some off court issues as any program does. But frankly your examples are an overreach.
Regardless, that doesn't mean we should actively seek additional players with proven off court issues. Especially when such a player may not actually play very much with JC and VB in the backcourt.
Should Taylor choose to transfer, which I think is highly unlikely, he won't select MU. An eastern school like Seton Hall or Rutgers would make more sense.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 23, 2010, 10:20:36 AM
Should Taylor choose to transfer, which I think is highly unlikely, he won't select MU. An eastern school like Seton Hall or Rutgers would make more sense.
why wouldn't he pack his bags and head directly to IU to reunite with Satan (I mean Coach Crean)?
Disclaimer: I don't think Coach Crean is Satan incarnate. I'm only joking. I am sorry to bring it up.
I thought T-Cubed is a lock to sign Austin Rivers, Doron Lamb, and Wayne Blackshear. Why on earth would Taylor want to sit behind those dudes? And, if Brandon Jennings has any eligibility remaining, he's likely to show up in Bloomington too.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 23, 2010, 10:20:36 AM
Should Taylor choose to transfer, which I think is highly unlikely, he won't select MU. An eastern school like Seton Hall or Rutgers would make more sense.
He's not allowed to transfer to them according to the notes in the Big East transfer policy. As far as they are concerned, signing a LOI is as good as actually attending another Big East institution. That means even though he got a release, he can't go to another Big East institution.
So if he wants to come back east, it will likely have to be an A-10 school.
Quote from: bma725 on January 23, 2010, 10:42:47 AM
He's not allowed to transfer to them according to the notes in the Big East transfer policy. As far as they are concerned, signing a LOI is as good as actually attending another Big East institution. That means even though he got a release, he can't go to another Big East institution.
So if he wants to come back east, it will likely have to be an A-10 school.
I'm always curious if the exception is out there for him to transfer back to the original school he transferred from. Not that he's coming to MU, but it would be interesting to know how that conference feels about that. Sort of remarrying the woman you divorced. ;)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 23, 2010, 10:45:52 AM
I'm always curious if the exception is out there for him to transfer back to the original school he transferred from. Not that he's coming to MU, but it would be interesting to know how that conference feels about that. Sort of remarrying the woman you divorced. ;)
You continue to erroneously refer to TT as a transfer from MU. He never transferred from MU since he never attended MU. This would be more like marrying the girl you had backed out on when a prettier one became available.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 23, 2010, 11:03:13 AM
You continue to erroneously refer to TT as a transfer from MU. He never transferred from MU since he never attended MU. This would be more like marrying the girl you had backed out on when a prettier one became available.
Fair enough....but as far as the conference rules go, they are treated one and the same. A signed LOI is just as good as if he played at MU, thus my question.
http://njmg.typepad.com/zagsblog/2008/04/tyshawn-taylor.html
Quote from: lurch91 on January 22, 2010, 02:57:37 PM
Where's Hurley in all of this??? (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4849787)
Almost two years ago Hurley was the hardheaded coach looking out for the best interest of his player, which meant he wanted Tyshawn to be released from his LOI to attend Kansas. He talked about not wanting one of his players to end up in a situation where he didn't fit, and end up unhappy.
Where is Hurley now?
I don't expect Hurley to show up in all of this. He made his comments pretty clear two years ago. Once he went to KU, I suspect Hurley pulls back and, at most, is an adviser.
"No disrespect but that (Buzz Williams) was not the reason why this kid went to Marquette," Hurley said.
Not sure if it was mentioned above .. was watching ESPN, they mentioned TT had a facebook status that said he was considering transferring .. "before it was taken down."
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 22, 2010, 05:29:53 PM
Right............
Cause we didn't have a Senior asked off the team for his smoking activities off the court.
Cause we didn't have a Freshman asked off the team because of his overbearing parent off the court.
Cause we didn't have a committed recruit sexually assault someone off the court.
Cause we didn't cut ties with one of the top shooting guard prospects in the country because his handlers keep getting in the way off the court.
We have plenty of issues off the court.
Don't forget about a certain player using an ATM card that wasn't his and why a certain former player is riding the bench for his legal issues
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 23, 2010, 11:17:38 AM
"No disrespect but that (Buzz Williams) was not the reason why this kid went to Marquette," Hurley said.
Hurley also said this: "And he really liked the assistant coaches, particularly the coach that came up from New Orleans - he was really comfortable with him."
http://blogs.jsonline.com/muhoops/archive/2007/11/02/bob-hurley-on-tyshawn-taylor.aspx
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 23, 2010, 12:47:03 PM
Hurley also said this: "And he really liked the assistant coaches, particularly the coach that came up from New Orleans - he was really comfortable with him."
http://blogs.jsonline.com/muhoops/archive/2007/11/02/bob-hurley-on-tyshawn-taylor.aspx
I've been through this with Chico's already, but since he continues to pin Taylor's decision to de-commit on Buzz, let's see what Tyshawn had to say about it ...
"I think the only way I end up at Marquette is if Coach Williams gets the head-coaching job, or if Coach Williams and another one of the assistants is still there," he said. "Coach Williams recruited me and I really want to play for him. I think that's probably the only way."http://blogs.jsonline.com/muhoops/archive/2008/04/02/taylor-wants-out.aspx
Q: What kind of relationship do you have with Coach Williams?
A: He recruited me. I had a better relationship with him than with Coach Crean.http://www.zagsblog.com/2008/04/10/tyshawn-taylor-q-a/
Taylor's response to my inquiry of whom he would like to see hired by the university was: "I don't even know. . . . That's what separated [Marquette] from all the other schools that were recruiting me, the coaching staff." I followed that up by asking the New Jersey star if he would like to see one of the assistants hired, to which he said: "I think that would be nice. . . . I fell in love with those guys. . . . I doubt that any of the assistants would get hired, but it would be nice." He specifically mentioned Brent Williams, the coach that recruited him along with Crean.http://northstarbasketball.blogspot.com/2008/04/update-on-tyshawn-taylor.html
Pakuni, I believe most of that conversation was with Marquette84, but I don't recall. It seems that Taylor said one thing and did another. Go figure.
I watched much of this game while flipping back and forth between ours. I wanted to see Scott Christopherson and Tyshawn go at it.
Christopherson actually started, played 33 minutes and scored 9 points on 4 of 7 shooting.
Taylor only played 13 minutes, but added 7 points on 3 of 5 shooting.
The game was never in doubt.
I think what happened in Taylor's case was that he was recruited to Marquette with the idea that either James or McNeal or both would be leaving early for the NBA. That doesn't happen. Crean leaves for IU, giving him an excuse to decommit. Even though he says he's really comfortable playing for Buzz, KU's backcourt leaves early coming off their NCAA win. More instant playing time available. At KU. Too good of an oppotunity to pass up. In the event they do recruit over him, he's still on a perrenial national title contender and can get drafted even as a sixth man.
Quote from: Freeway on January 23, 2010, 04:33:29 PM
I think what happened in Taylor's case was that he was recruited to Marquette with the idea that either James or McNeal or both would be leaving early for the NBA. That doesn't happen. Crean leaves for IU, giving him an excuse to decommit. Even though he says he's really comfortable playing for Buzz, KU's backcourt leaves early coming off their NCAA win. More instant playing time available. At KU. Too good of an oppotunity to pass up. In the event they do recruit over him, he's still on a perrenial national title contender and can get drafted even as a sixth man.
Not playing 13 minutes in a cupcake game. His playing time has really, really decreased and if it continues, I see the young man complaining about PT and making waves in Kansas. Trouble be brewing soon, just a matter of time.
Quote from: Freeway on January 23, 2010, 04:33:29 PM
I think what happened in Taylor's case was that he was recruited to Marquette with the idea that either James or McNeal or both would be leaving early for the NBA. That doesn't happen. Crean leaves for IU, giving him an excuse to decommit. Even though he says he's really comfortable playing for Buzz, KU's backcourt leaves early coming off their NCAA win. More instant playing time available. At KU. Too good of an oppotunity to pass up. In the event they do recruit over him, he's still on a perrenial national title contender and can get drafted even as a sixth man.
This.
Anything going on here. I am still not seeing TT on the floor during crunch time.
On several occasions in the Texas game he drove the length of the court and put up a crazy shot. He looks uncoachable just watching him play.
a little part of me smiles everytime I see the KU box score after a game.
Think he regrets his decision? He'd be starting here.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 22, 2010, 04:44:53 PM
Tyshawn Taylor, meet Bobby Frasor.
Anyhow, if he's happier getting limited PT at Kansas than a starring role at Marquette or somewhere else, there's nothing wrong with that. Bobby Frasor was smart enough to know he'd be recruited over at UNC, and he went there anyhow because it was a "dream" school.
That said, Taylor comes off at best as being pretty naive if he believed he was a lock to be a four-year starter and primary option at KU.
Most schools will "recruit over" players... In Bobby and UNC's case, it's a good thing they did continue to recruit at a high level... Bobby got hurt a few times and Ty Lawson was one hell of a PG that they couldn't pass on. Bobby won a National Championship, Marquette got Dominic James instead. I think that worked out for everyone... except me. Would have been cool to have my neighbor playing for Marquette!
As it relates to Tyshawn Taylor, I would take him again in a heartbeat. It would have been nice to have him this year. I don't think we would have seen Acker rejoin the program if we still had that "point planker"... but thank God Acker has stepped up this year... makes the Taylor de-commitment sting less.
Quote from: TomW1365 on February 10, 2010, 03:08:28 PM
Most schools will "recruit over" players... In Bobby and UNC's case, it's a good thing they did continue to recruit at a high level... Bobby got hurt a few times and Ty Lawson was one hell of a PG that they couldn't pass on. Bobby won a National Championship, Marquette got Dominic James instead. I think that worked out for everyone... except me. Would have been cool to have my neighbor playing for Marquette!
As it relates to Tyshawn Taylor, I would take him again in a heartbeat. It would have been nice to have him this year. I don't think we would have seen Acker rejoin the program if we still had that "point planker"... but thank God Acker has stepped up this year... makes the Taylor de-commitment sting less.
I think we missed Taylor even more last year. Imagine off the bench you would have had Butler and Taylor? Then, when DJ got hurt, Taylor could have stepped right in. I think we would have had a much higher seed at also made the Sweet Sixteen. Alas, too many "ifs" I guess. :'(
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 22, 2010, 05:29:53 PM
Right............
Cause we didn't have a Senior asked off the team for his smoking activities off the court.
Cause we didn't have a Freshman asked off the team because of his overbearing parent off the court.
Cause we didn't have a committed recruit sexually assault someone off the court.
Cause we didn't cut ties with one of the top shooting guard prospects in the country because his handlers keep getting in the way off the court.
We have plenty of issues off the court.
I can deal with sexual assault off the court, but on the court is where i draw the line.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on February 10, 2010, 03:24:48 PM
I think we missed Taylor even more last year. Imagine off the bench you would have had Butler and Taylor? Then, when DJ got hurt, Taylor could have stepped right in. I think we would have had a much higher seed at also made the Sweet Sixteen. Alas, too many "ifs" I guess. :'(
I agree with you on this point that he could have really helped last year. He looked good from what I saw. Although I don't think he was recruited to be a pass first point guard. His assist to turnover rate wasn't that great last year.
Quote from: boyonthedock on February 10, 2010, 03:32:39 PM
I can deal with sexual assault off the court, but on the court is where i draw the line.
HAHAHA! Awesome post! 2010 post of the year nominee?