I know that sounds really insane right now, but watch it will happen.
You are insane. We just lost to a team that hasn't won in 24 big east games without the head coach and leading scorer and with more MU fans there. What gives? Nothing.
Stop it. We won't beat Syracuse. Won't even come w/in 15 of them.
Quote from: Boone on January 21, 2010, 12:22:56 AM
Stop it. We won't beat Syracuse. Won't even come w/in 15 of them.
Or we'll be up 6 with 1:20 left and lose.
It doesn't matter who we beat. The team did themselves in tonight. Contenders don't lose to DePaul. Hell, pretenders don't even lose to DePaul. There are probably 250 teams in the country that wouldve beat DePaul tonight.
Quote from: Doris Burkes Thong on January 20, 2010, 11:23:03 PM
I know that sounds really insane right now, but watch it will happen.
We couldn't handle DePaul's zonish defense. What makes you think we will handle Syracuse's?
Maybe win the opening tip, thats if its deflected.
I don't understand how this same team that was capable of sticking with and beating anybody two games ago now can't come within 15 of Syracuse. Every team has bad games, and this team in particular will have big ups and downs. If we beat Syracuse are you saying we'll go undefeated the rest of the season to the NC? Why is it that losing means we can't beat anybody, but winning means squat?
How can sports fans be so emotional? Teams lose ALL THE TIME. Do you have to rip your heart out and stomp on it with each L?
DePaul is the lousiest team in thge BEast!!!
Guess what--they just beat our butt.
Just saying.
Unjustified optimism. Of course, I hope it happens.
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on January 21, 2010, 06:36:04 AM
I don't understand how this same team that was capable of sticking with and beating anybody two games ago now can't come within 15 of Syracuse. Every team has bad games, and this team in particular will have big ups and downs. If we beat Syracuse are you saying we'll go undefeated the rest of the season to the NC? Why is it that losing means we can't beat anybody, but winning means squat?
How can sports fans be so emotional? Teams lose ALL THE TIME. Do you have to rip your heart out and stomp on it with each L?
+1
I live and breathe MU B-Ball, but some of you need chhhhhiillllllll thhhhhheeee f***********ccckkkkk ooouuuuuuutttttt.
I'm on board. We will beat Syracuse.
We will bounce back and play much better against Syracuse, but we will likely get our asses kicked by that zone.
I'm on board that it will be a much closer game. Will the Warriors win? Anyone's guess at this point. But sometimes you play to the level of your competition. It shouldn't happen with a team like Depaul, but it did. It will also happen against Cuse.
Would a win at Cuse erase the loss to Depaul in the minds of voters?
Quote from: MU_B2002 on January 21, 2010, 08:31:16 AM
Would a win at Cuse erase the loss to Depaul in the minds of voters?
Yes. It would turn the DePaul loss into a fluke.
That's only if they count my vote, though.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 21, 2010, 08:33:10 AM
Yes. It would turn the DePaul loss into a fluke.
That's only if they count my vote, though.
Ok, then I'm on board for the upset this Saturday.
Quote from: MU_B2002 on January 21, 2010, 08:31:16 AM
Would a win at Cuse erase the loss to Depaul in the minds of voters?
It might erase the loss in the minds of the voters but it won't erase it from the minds of the loonies who are taking this one loss to define an otherwise remarkable team.
I was certain we were going to beat Nova when we played them the second time. We almost did. I think the guys coasted through the first ten minutes last night, fully expecting to come in blindfolded and tromp all over DePaul, and then were so thrown off when DePaul held their own that they didn't recover from it. It's a bad loss. Big effing deal. Bad losses happen all the time and then the rest of the season goes on. If anything, this is a huge kick in the a$$ to our guys - though I am not convinced they needed it. They've played with more heart and grit than I ever would have expected 3 months ago. I hope those out there who are taking this one bad game - this one totally uncharacteristic game - as the end all be all to the season can come around and support these guys. They still have a lot of games left before March.
And I think we have a shot at Syracuse. These guys have a fire lit under them now. They'll be prepared.
and ++1 to Utile and Reinko
A little optimism never killed anyone: We will beat Syracuse.
Quote from: 96warrior on January 21, 2010, 08:40:03 AM
And I think we have a shot at Syracuse. These guys have a fire lit under them now. They'll be prepared.
Point taken, Utile.
EDIT: We WILL beat Syracuse.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 21, 2010, 06:50:33 AM
DePaul is the lousiest team in thge BEast!!!
Guess what--they just beat our butt.
Just saying.
Yes, Willie, we know you are negative. Thoughts on going forward? Just once to see what it feels like and to leave the rest of us stunned.
I think either MU pulls the stunning upset or gets blown out of the building. Last night felt like they hit bottom with another choke and close loss.
They should come out desperate and play like the season depends on this game. But will they?
Horrible loss last night. I don't see us winning at Syracuse but could easily see another close loss. Syracuse is vulnerable to teams that can knock down threes and stay with them in rebounding. Marquette has a lot of similarities to Pitt (although less talented), which showed that if you get hot from outside you can beat them. I think MU got its bad shooting night out of the way and will be competitive, but I just don't think these guys can get it done against a quality team on the road. Hope they prove me wrong.
They won't get blown out, most MU teams bounce back from losses such as this. I expect Buzz to whoop them up in practice before the game. Syracuse better be ready because were going to be ready to play Saturday I expect us to take a lead early on, I root for MU no matter what!
Quote from: MUsoxfan on January 21, 2010, 01:01:34 AM
It doesn't matter who we beat. The team did themselves in tonight. Contenders don't lose to DePaul. Hell, pretenders don't even lose to DePaul. There are probably 250 teams in the country that wouldve beat DePaul tonight.
Florida Gulf Coast and American University come to mind
Which year? The last time MU beat Syracuse was 1983 and that was in Milwaukee. We've not beaten them there yet.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/syracuse
We will be 15-point underdogs against a team that is much bigger and much quicker and plays a defense that should give us fits. We will play hard but beating Cuse at home is an impossible assignment.
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on January 21, 2010, 06:36:04 AM
Why is it that losing means we can't beat anybody, but winning means squat?
How can sports fans be so emotional? Teams lose ALL THE TIME. Do you have to rip your heart out and stomp on it with each L?
Unfortunately, some of us do. When Marquette wins, I'm happy. But unless it was a big upset, I figure things turned out the way they should, so no big deal. But when we lose a close game, regardless of whether we were expected to win or lose, I agonize over it for hours and sometimes for a few days. Some people take these games (too) seriously and some don't. Die-hard fans probably take losing harder than the players do. Doesn't make sense, but that's the way it is for people who have a deep emotional commitment to their favorite sports teams. As I use to explain to my mother, it's more than just a game.
Quote from: ecompt on January 21, 2010, 11:53:06 AM
We will be 15-point underdogs against a team that is much bigger and much quicker and plays a defense that should give us fits. We will play hard but beating Cuse at home is an impossible assignment.
Horrible matchup for MU. Our only hope is we shoot lights out from the three. If not, we are 2-5 in conference and sinking fast.
put the crack pipe down.....
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2010, 08:52:17 AM
Yes, Willie, we know you are negative. Thoughts on going forward? Just once to see what it feels like and to leave the rest of us stunned.
You do not know squat. But anyway, thoughts on going forward: I see improvement, because there is nowhere else to go but improve from the DePaul abortion.
We will beat Syracuse because,
1. We are due!
2. De Paul is a rivalry game and anything can and did happen.
3. Syracuse will be overconfident like we were.
Every Coach knows highs and lows are part of it, there is still allot of basketball left to play, they will learn from this and bounce back, a script to become a great team. Stay motivated and ring out ahoya, this team is much better then anyone expected...
Can't think of a worse match-up for MU directly following the DePaul debacle.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 21, 2010, 06:36:08 PM
You do not know squat.
Honey?!?!? Is that you? When did you start hanging out on MU boards?
If we are not losing or winning by at least 20 points in the final 5 minutes, I will not watch the end of the game. If we're losing, oh well. No big deal. No one expects them to win. If they are winning by 20 MAYBE I will feel confident enough to watch it finish. If we are up by <20, I will simply walk away. I can't stand this heart-breaking loss crap.
That said, if they beat Syracuse (they won't, by the way), I will be back on the bandwagon.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 21, 2010, 07:09:57 PM
Can't think of a worse match-up for MU directly following the DePaul debacle.
Agreed. also, a seven man rotation in the Dome will be just brutal.
Quote from: cschor on January 21, 2010, 07:02:13 PM
We will beat Syracuse because,
1. We are due!
2. De Paul is a rivalry game and anything can and did happen.
3. Syracuse will be overconfident like we were.
Every Coach knows highs and lows are part of it, there is still allot of basketball left to play, they will learn from this and bounce back, a script to become a great team. Stay motivated and ring out ahoya, this team is much better then anyone expected...
Right on. We'll beat Cuse. Last time I made a prediction MU beat Xavier and Michigan and I haven't made one since. You watch Cuse will have a cold shooting day and we'll be hot in the Carrier Dome. In fact, the Orange will need a Carrier air conditioner to cool MU off.
Quote from: Doris Burkes Thong on January 21, 2010, 10:34:49 PM
Right on. We'll beat Cuse. Last time I made a prediction MU beat Xavier and Michigan and I haven't made one since. You watch Cuse will have a cold shooting day and we'll be hot in the Carrier Dome. In fact, the Orange will need a Carrier air conditioner to cool MU off.
I would almost agree and say I have a gut feeling MU will pull a big one out, but then I realize the monsters Cuse has down low. MU will have NO answer for that. The only way we win is if they miss a lot of makeable shots and Marquette rebounds like crazy... Oh and we ALSO have to shoot the lights out
Quote from: mudimitri on January 21, 2010, 10:48:37 PM
I would almost agree and say I have a gut feeling MU will pull a big one out, but then I realize the monsters Cuse has down low. MU will have NO answer for that. The only way we win is if they miss a lot of makeable shots and Marquette rebounds like crazy... Oh and we ALSO have to shoot the lights out
Yeah, Jackson and Onuaku are just beasts....they will embarass us. But look at what Jason Love from Xavier did to us inside.....he went for 21 and 19 and we still pulled that game out by 10. I think Butler can match-up with Johnson decently. MU will pull off a shocker and all will be well on MUScoop message board again.
Quote from: Doris Burkes Thong on January 21, 2010, 10:59:08 PM
Yeah, Jackson and Onuaku are just beasts....they will embarass us. But look at what Jason Love from Xavier did to us inside.....he went for 21 and 19 and we still pulled that game out by 10. I think Butler can match-up with Johnson decently. MU will pull off a shocker and all will be well on MUScoop message board again.
I really do hope you are right, and if you are, id be willing to take off doris' thong with my teeth
The difference is Syracuse's zone. We could get off shots against Xavier. Syracuse is so quick and plays that zone so well on the perimeter there are no open shots. We just don't match up well against a team like that.
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2010, 07:10:11 PM
Honey?!?!? Is that you? When did you start hanging out on MU boards?
hahaha
Better than chicos v hayward.
Willie? No retort?
As "bad" as Depaul is, their RPI this morning is 134. To me, that's not bad, that's mediocre.
The way some people have been talking, you would think they're ranked 250 or 300. Remember, there are 347 teams. 134 out of 347 isn't horrible. Yes, I get it, we should have beat Depaul. But if we're going to have a "bad loss" on our resume, I sure would rather it be Depaul than North Florida, Presbyterian, or MD-ES.
And after last night, the NC State (RPI: 82) loss doesn't look as bad as it did 3 weeks ago.
Beat Syracuse this weekend and Depaul will be long forgotten by 4pm EST.
What's BostonUniversity's RPI?
Quote from: ecompt on January 22, 2010, 07:56:42 AM
The difference is Syracuse's zone. We could get off shots against Xavier. Syracuse is so quick and plays that zone so well on the perimeter there are no open shots. We just don't match up well against a team like that.
In addition Cuse has big bodies manning that zone-----makes it tough to penetrate into the paint to set up the trey.
Having said that, I think our lackluster performance against DePaul was due in part to looking forward to Cuse----so i think their will be a big upgrade in effort against Cuse, but whether or not that will be enough is open to question because of the Cuse superior talent level.
Syracuse is good. Real good but they are not invincible. They will trap us and we will turn the ball over but we will always have 5 guys on the floor with decent ball handling skills, good passing skills and good perimeter shooting. All good traits to have when playing an aggressive trapping zone defense. We will get them out of position so if our shot is on, we will have a chance to win. Depaul didn't do anything special to make us miss those shots. We just missed. If we nail our shots like we have all year long, this is a game we could very well steal. I just don't know how many more heartaches I can take this year.
Maybe it won't matter, but I like the fact that Syracuse has a nationally televised game against Georgetown on Monday to think ahead to.
Quote from: Jacks DC on January 22, 2010, 03:57:09 PM
Maybe it won't matter, but I like the fact that Syracuse has a nationally televised game against Georgetown on Monday to think ahead to.
Agree.
We seemed to overlook the weaker opponent on Wednesday to the stronger opponent tomorrow. Perhaps the Orange will do the same.
If we do happen to defeat syracuse, the same people that say this team plays with no heart, they suck, will be the same people that will say the exact opposite when they win. I can't stand bandwagon fans!!!
Quote from: ecompt on January 21, 2010, 11:53:06 AM
We will be 15-point underdogs against a team that is much bigger and much quicker and plays a defense that should give us fits.
Vegas is only giving MU 10. I disagree that a zone should give MU fits. One bad shooting game doesn't make MU a poor shooting team. The players know how to get open shots against a zone, and I don't think that Cuse's zone is particularly tricky. Nor do they play particularly hard defense. I would say that Cuse's size and athleticism will give us problems when we're on D, and that we should be able to take advantage of the zone to get open shots and some cheap offensive rebounds when we're on offense. We've shown that we can win without getting points in the paint against Georgetown. That being said, Syracuse is the most talented team we will play all year, and they're not burdened with as many head-cases as they normally are (Rautins replaces Devendorff and Wes Johnson replaces Paul Harris.) The margin for error for a win is less than zero. First time you've heard that.
The problem is not getting points in the paint (we're not going to get much of that)------the problem is to get into the paint off penetration to set up the trey off the inside pass back out for the catch and shoot-----that's how Cooby got all 6 of his treys vs GT.
Now Cuse presents more of a problem in getting the ball into the paint because they have a big bodied zone which shrinks the seams of the zone limiting penetration into the paint.
We will shoot 15-25 from 3 and beat Syracuse.
We have not won a road game yet this year. Syracuse has size we cannot handle. We lose this game by 30, if we shoot poorly on our three point shots.
Now if Buzz sews "LeMoyne" over Marquette, we might have a better chance... :o
We will shoot down the zone but will come up about 8 points short.
We're due!
/baseball'd
Where do I find the wonderful Kool-Aid you have all been swilling?