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   If he is ready and able to contribute on both ends, it gives us depth and options.   If he wants to and doesn't really want a 5th year, why not?    On the other hand, I remember the Mbakwe fiasco.   So, mixed feelings, leaning toward yes.   

Quote from: tower912 on January 17, 2010, 06:24:50 PM
  If he is ready and able to contribute on both ends, it gives us depth and options.   If he wants to and doesn't really want a 5th year, why not?    On the other hand, I remember the Mbakwe fiasco.   So, mixed feelings, leaning toward yes.  

I don't remember a "fiasco" with Mbakwe playing so much as with his decision to bail on his teammates less than a month before the season started.

As for Junior, if he's ready to play, turn him loose.

If he can make a meaningful contribution, and the experience serves him well for next year, than let him go.  The Mbakwe "fiasco" is only viewed as such because he transferred.  Had he stayed, he'd be a junior right now and we wouldn't be giving it a second thought.

+1 Sultan

The fact that Buzz has barely seen Cadougan practice and he thinks he could contribute ahead of two seniors shows he might not have all that much faith in Acker and Cubillan or else Cadougan came out looking amazing.  Hard to believe anyone not named John Wall could just be thrown into conference play in mid-late January having never even practiced and beat out two senior guards, even our two, and this guy's coming off a bad injury on top of it.

Oh jeez - we are reading minds now

What I meant by 'fiasco' was him rushing back and then not playing meaningful minutes of any kind.   I only want Cadougan coming back if he can make a difference on this team.    Mbakwe didn't.

I agree with Tower and selfishly I would probably like him to sit out bc I'm just not sure how much he'll be able to help this year by the time he gets up to speed and conditioned.  However if he is medically cleared, I can understand letting him play if that's his decision.

As much as it'd be great to have another weapon for the long big east season, I'd much rather have Junior for 4 more years.  From what I heard about achilles, seems like too much of a risk.  Ironically, if he was a just-as-heralded big, I might say give it a go. 

Stupid hypothetical here but... Let's pretend JC comes back and plays 3 games, then God-forbid he aggravates the injury and has to sit the rest of the way.  In this scenario, is it still possible to get a medical redshirt? 

Quote from: wardle2wade on January 17, 2010, 07:54:02 PM
Stupid hypothetical here but... Let's pretend JC comes back and plays 3 games, then God-forbid he aggravates the injury and has to sit the rest of the way.  In this scenario, is it still possible to get a medical redshirt? 

No, at least not in his specific case.

The medical redshirt rule stipulates two things.  You can't play in more than 30% of the team's games and the injury has to occur in the first half of the team's season.  MU passed the halfway point of the season awhile ago.

OK thanks... thought it was something like that. 

At this point the guards (Mo, Coobey, Buycks and DJO) are playing with great chemistry and are healthy.  Unless something happens to one of the guards, I say redshirt Junior.

Interesting reaction by some here who had completely different viewpoints 2 seasons ago.   :o

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 17, 2010, 08:17:32 PM
Interesting reaction by some here who had completely different viewpoints 2 seasons ago.   :o

It's all about the PR with Buzz.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 17, 2010, 08:17:32 PM
Interesting reaction by some here who had completely different viewpoints 2 seasons ago.   :o

Yes, because some here can actually do nuance and context and recognize that sometimes similar situations are actually quite difference.   Is our need at guard this year as bad as our need for a big was two years ago?   Is Cadougan the difference between making the tourney or not making the tourney?   Two years ago, many thought a healthy Mbakwe could be the missing piece to take us deep in the tourney.   (oops, Jerel)      So, yes, it is possible to view similar situations differently.   

Quote from: wardle2wade on January 17, 2010, 07:54:02 PM
As much as it'd be great to have another weapon for the long big east season, I'd much rather have Junior for 4 more years. 

Well, that's nice for you, but the question was should he play? To me there is only one correct answer, and that is once it is agreed upon by the doctors first and foremost, and he has talked about it with the coaching staff and his family, understands any risks, etc., it is entirely his decision. If he wants to play, then yes, 100% he should play. This is not about us and whether we want 4 full years or not, its about him and what he wants to do.

No mixed feelings here.

NO. No. no.

Full recovery makes him hungrier knowing Mo's gone.
And he'll be running the point with Vander at the SG.

The future is promised to noone.  Carpe Diem Junior. 

I didn't like it with TM and I don't like it with JC.  The timing (a month or so earlier) might make it work but still not a fan.

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on January 17, 2010, 08:51:49 PM
Full recovery makes him hungrier knowing Mo's gone.

I don't even know what this means.

If a player redshirts and then decides to transfer, does the player still need to sit out a year?

From what I've heard it takes a long time to fully recover from the injury he had.  60% or 70% is a lot different than 100% in the middle of the BE season.  I think it is best for the TEAM if he slowly returns to practices this year and is 100% next year.  We have 2 seniors who have done a reasonable job handling the point.  Let them finish.  With Bulter as a tallest serviceable player we are limited in what we can do with or without Junior.  Come in next year and lets put together some seasons when we contend for the BE title.

I say no unless Junior has grown about 8 inches and gained 50 pounds.

We are getting much better production out of Acker/Cube then I thought we would. As bad as Acker's defense is at times, I find it hard to believe that a freshman fresh off a severe foot injury would play much better defense.

Baring injury to one of our guards, I say redshirt him.

I have no problems with Junior playing this year if that's his choice.  We aren't a deep team and another body wouldn't hurt.

But in the end it's up to Junior.

Considering Buzz is bringing in Reggie Smith next year - who from some accounts - is tearing it up on his high school team, and can break down everyone off the dribble - it is conceivable that the point guard position will be in good hands moving forward.  From what I've heard, Vander is versatile enough to play some point, Buycks probably can play some point..add in Reggie Smith...and maybe it isn't quite so critical that we "have Junior for 4 years."  I agree that Acker and Cubi are doing a good job at the point, so that doesn't make it critical to have JC play this year...but...we may be deep enough at point guard moving forward that to give JC a shot this year wouldn't hurt the program long term - so long as JC is truly healthy, and fully ready to play now.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 17, 2010, 09:29:47 PM

I don't even know what this means.

It means with "no mo' MO", Junior knows he's got the keys. And with a year out due to injury, he'll want to take prove his doubters wrong and make up for some "lost time" on the sidelines.

I also am not at all conflicted on this one, (and I don't read anything into it being his choice or our choice in the question:)  ABSOLUTELY NO.

At very least we have an option if - God forbid - we lose anyone else.  With otule and maymon gone, I think you keep preparing in practice assuming you may need him.  This year has gone from a pure rebuild to a potential ncaa year. If in the tourney, and after watching michigan beat uconn and the 30-point pasting of providence I feel very good about selection sunday today, this team could come out of the first weekend.  By all means don't deliberately hold him out if he is ready.  Obviously don't put him out there for the final 2 minutes of destroying providence, but don't just miss the tourney to keep the redshirt.  I was so happy to see him looking effortless in his warmups today.  But don't make this a dump on acker or cube - they both look awesome this year.  I'm just much more comfy with 10 scholarship players than 9 down the stretch.

Fear of Junior reinjuring himself in a game shouldn't be a reason to not play him.  If Buzz is even considering playing him, I'd have to guess he is giving it his all in practice where he could just as easily reinjure himself.

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on January 17, 2010, 10:48:39 PM
It means with "no mo' MO", Junior knows he's got the keys. And with a year out due to injury, he'll want to take prove his doubters wrong and make up for some "lost time" on the sidelines.

You don't know that.  He could be just as hungry now.

Quote from: MUrugger on January 17, 2010, 11:05:42 PM
I also am not at all conflicted on this one, (and I don't read anything into it being his choice or our choice in the question:)  ABSOLUTELY NO.

And...any particular reason for that? He has been cleared to play, so who's choice is it exactly?

I say let him play
Maybe he doesnt want to redshirt and go to school for 5 years

I know how pissed I would be if healthy and told "no"

it is his decision and I say why the heck not

Maybe Buzz should send Junior down to Indy for a second opinion with that world-class orthopedist Crean is tight with before making a final decision.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 18, 2010, 09:55:38 AM
Maybe Buzz should send Junior down to Indy for a second opinion with that world-class orthopedist Crean is tight with before making a final decision.

It was said to be TM's decision and turned out to be a bad one.  His contributions were minimal.  18 year old kids can't see 5 minutes in front of them.  He should sit.  Better, long term, for him, better for the team.

If we had a "WILL Junior play this year?" poll, I bet most would say yes, and I think he will play.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 18, 2010, 06:25:53 AM

You don't know that.  He could be just as hungry now.

You're right.

But with threads like these, most of what is said is conjecture.

if he plays this year, even 5 + mins per game, and doesn't cause his injury to become a more serious/long term problem I believe it will greatly help his growth and confidence going into next year.  limited minutes of big east game play coupled with the practice time and game prep he will continue to experience this year will make him much better as he goes into next season poised to be the guard getting the most minutes as a true pg.

it's funny that as this idea of lifting a redshirt comes up we all had flashes of Mbakwe.  Honestly, as long as Junior doesn't transfer before the next season I think if he CAN play he should.

NO.......and I will think less of Buzz if he throws him out there.

Quote from: DomJamesToTheBasket on January 18, 2010, 04:20:24 PM
NO.......and I will think less of Buzz if he throws him out there.

I'm sure Buzz will take that into consideration when he, Junior and the doctors make a decision.

Quote from: thanooj on January 18, 2010, 02:02:13 PM
if he plays this year, even 5 + mins per game, and doesn't cause his injury to become a more serious/long term problem I believe it will greatly help his growth and confidence going into next year.  limited minutes of big east game play coupled with the practice time and game prep he will continue to experience this year will make him much better as he goes into next season poised to be the guard getting the most minutes as a true pg.

I believe that the experience that he'd gain from 5 min a game would be close to nothing compared to what he'll learn being able to finally practice.

Quote from: DomJamesToTheBasket on January 18, 2010, 04:20:24 PM
NO.......and I will think less of Buzz if he throws him out there.

Why? What specifically do you know about the situation to make you say that?

Quote from: DomJamesToTheBasket on January 18, 2010, 04:20:24 PM
NO.......and I will think less of Buzz if he throws him out there.

Why?

If the kid is healthy, what's the problem with letting him play? "Letting him play" doesn't mean making him the starter, it doesn't even mean making him the first guy off the bench. It means "letting him play" to the extent that he's able to contribute to the team's success.

As for the "I'd rather have Junior for 4 full seasons than 3 seasons and half of another at less than 100% argument,"
1. Who's to say Junior wants to be in college for 5 years (as said by many others)?
2. If nothing else, doesn't this half-season at less than 100% make Junior that much better prepared for the next three, when he will be (presumably) 100%?

What's the problem?

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on January 18, 2010, 05:25:41 PM
Why? What specifically do you know about the situation to make you say that?

I don't care to expound on this and you don't care anyways.  It is an opinion and this is a forum.  I simply answered how I feel.

Quote from: mu-rara on January 18, 2010, 12:37:31 PM
It was said to be TM's decision and turned out to be a bad one.  His contributions were minimal.  18 year old kids can't see 5 minutes in front of them.  He should sit.  Better, long term, for him, better for the team.

Trevor came back as the season was winding down. Still plenty of BE basketball to play.

If he is, in fact, healthy enough to play which I assume he is if the medical staff says he is.  If Buzz thinks he will make the team better right now, which I assume he does by floating this out there.  Then what question is there?  MU lost to three top ten teams by one possession.  Does he make us one possession better?  If yes, then what question is there?

Quote from: TSN_92 on January 18, 2010, 07:59:41 PM
If he is, in fact, healthy enough to play which I assume he is if the medical staff says he is.  If Buzz thinks he will make the team better right now, which I assume he does by floating this out there.  Then what question is there?  MU lost to three top ten teams by one possession.  Does he make us one possession better?  If yes, then what question is there?

+1

Quote from: DomJamesToTheBasket on January 18, 2010, 06:57:37 PM
I don't care to expound on this and you don't care anyways.  It is an opinion and this is a forum.  I simply answered how I feel.

Well, now you just whetted the appetite..........