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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: ChicosBailBonds on January 09, 2010, 03:09:52 PM

Title: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 09, 2010, 03:09:52 PM
The absolute perfect situation....intentional foul, we make both, trail by two, no shot clock, coming out of a timeout to set something up, we have the ball and we can't even get a shot off (not the first time that's happened in the last 5 years).

Arghhhh
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: Clam Crowder on January 09, 2010, 03:14:20 PM
Acker cost us that game with that dumb pass to Butler who was covered tightly, and then he apparently cant make a layup. Buycks on the other hand missed that wide open 3. tough way to lose, but great comeback
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: tower912 on January 09, 2010, 03:14:55 PM
Acker fed the post for the first time all day and then followed the ball, allowing his man to get a free double team on Butler, who looked like he couldn't remember what to do when he got the ball 8 feet from the hoop with his back to the basket.    *^#$%#$@#^5
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: KC_Warrior on January 09, 2010, 03:16:27 PM
Agreed.  Acker gave the ball to Butler in a no-win situation.

They looked totally lost out there on that play...like nobody knew what the plan was.

Does Buzz deserve some blame for all this late game futility?  At some point you can't just say it's bad luck when it's happening (almost) every time.
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 09, 2010, 03:16:56 PM
Acker cost us that game with that dumb pass to Butler who was covered tightly, and then he apparently cant make a layup. Buycks on the other hand missed that wide open 3. tough way to lose, but great comeback

Maybe not getting down by 22 points could have helped as well....just saying. 


No way of knowing if MU makes a shot at the end so I'm never going to blame one player for a game.  It's just frustrating not to even get a shot off, and it's not the first time unfortunately.

Great comeback.  Next two games MU should win easily.  That will put us at 3-3
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on January 09, 2010, 03:18:41 PM
Frustrating, again...   Great comeback though but when you dig such a big hole it is difficult to get out
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: Boognish_MU on January 09, 2010, 03:20:10 PM
My wife walks in the room just say MU inbounds the ball after the intentional and watches the play and just says "why would he pass it to Jimmy.  He's surrounded".

Sometime her analysis is best.

Great comeback, another tough loss, but proof that this team has some fight in it
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: NCMUFan on January 09, 2010, 03:20:21 PM
Don't look past the next games.  Easy to get over confident.  Play each game one at a time.  Prepare and play hard.  Go Marquette!
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: Norm on January 09, 2010, 03:22:51 PM
I love Butler, but he always seems to have the deer in headlights look in the last minute of a close game.
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 09, 2010, 03:24:31 PM
Not Butler's fault he was given the ball in an instant double team.
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: #MUBB on January 09, 2010, 03:26:12 PM
I love Butler, but he always seems to have the deer in headlights look in the last minute of a close game.

Except the 2 free throws he hit in the last 10 seconds against G'town.
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 09, 2010, 03:28:04 PM
What was the play at the end?  I agree, Butler looked surprised to get the ball.  I'd love to know what the play was.  No screens up top, didn't look like we were playing to win it (with a 3) but rather to tie with a 2.

No one looked like they wanted the ball nor did a play appear to be developing.  Maybe Nova took away all the options, but everyone looked lost.
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 09, 2010, 03:30:10 PM
So, it boils down to MU not being able to climax?
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: tower912 on January 09, 2010, 03:30:36 PM
I have a feeling that Acker went off of the script.   I have to imagine the last thing Buzz was thinking was for Mo to drive and dish to a double teamed JB.   Then it looked like Jimmy was making his move and getting ready to dish opposite for the triple when he got stripped.   Plus, the way Mo did it brought Reynolds to Jimmy.    Worst case scenario.
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: mug644 on January 09, 2010, 03:31:55 PM
Does Buzz deserve some blame for all this late game futility?  At some point you can't just say it's bad luck when it's happening (almost) every time.

You can't just jump from bad luck to putting it on Buzz. The players need to execute. It appears that Butler didn't expect Acker to dump it in to him at that point, leading me to think that maybe that wasn't the play as planned during the timeout. Acker didn't execute. Can't put it on Buzz.
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 09, 2010, 03:33:13 PM
I have a feeling that Acker went off of the script.   I have to imagine the last thing Buzz was thinking was for Mo to drive and dish to a double teamed JB.   Then it looked like Jimmy was making his move and getting ready to dish opposite for the triple when he got stripped.   Plus, the way Mo did it brought Reynolds to Jimmy.    Worst case scenario.


Maybe Buzz will tell us in the post game show
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: Mobot on January 09, 2010, 03:35:15 PM
The pass into Bulter was fine.  He could have passed it back out after the double team but instead tried to dribble into the middle of the lane and had it stolen away.
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: Norm on January 09, 2010, 03:36:37 PM
Except the 2 free throws he hit in the last 10 seconds against G'town.
Well, that's been the outlier in close games this year - we've lost all the other ones. Like I said, I like Butler, I just wish he was a little more aggressive at the end and was one of those ones that "want the ball." He may very well want it for all I know, but his face expressions are always so stoic.
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: patso on January 09, 2010, 03:38:22 PM
Should have shot a three for the lead
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 09, 2010, 03:39:12 PM
The dude who just needs to learn to relax is DJO. Just play, don't think so much.
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: MUBasketball on January 09, 2010, 03:39:46 PM

Great comeback.  Next two games MU should win easily.  That will put us at 3-3

Um, what?
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: BrewCity83 on January 09, 2010, 03:39:56 PM
I suspect the plan for the last play was to work down most of the 27 seconds, get a paint touch, and kick it out for an open three in the last 5 to 7 seconds.  
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: Knight Commission on January 09, 2010, 03:41:56 PM
why not call a to to set up a play?  Afterall, a W could have put us in the tourney.
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 09, 2010, 04:04:55 PM
Um, what?

Providence at home

At DePaul


Yes, MU should win those games EASILY

Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 09, 2010, 04:06:33 PM
why not call a to to set up a play?  Afterall, a W could have put us in the tourney.

We were coming out of a timeout where the play was setup.  Either the option was taken away, or the kids didn't know what to do, or it wasn't executed properly.

Whatever the case, no shot was taken.  Butler got the ball down low, then dribbled back across the lane and got it swiped.

We did have another T.O. if we wanted to take it.
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: MUBasketball on January 09, 2010, 04:12:27 PM
Providence at home

At DePaul


Yes, MU should win those games EASILY



I just don't think we're in a position to expect MU to win easily over anybody. That's just me, though.
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: NickelDimer on January 09, 2010, 04:18:05 PM
We should've held for the last shot, no if's and's or but's.  With our end of game struggles and a chance to win on the last shot, you take it.
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: bma725 on January 09, 2010, 04:28:37 PM
I just don't think we're in a position to expect MU to win easily over anybody. That's just me, though.

Have you seen DePaul play this year?  There are high school teams that should expect to win easily over them.
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: muwarrior87 on January 09, 2010, 04:46:24 PM
We should've held for the last shot, no if's and's or but's.  With our end of game struggles and a chance to win on the last shot, you take it.

being down by 2 you still have to make sure it goes in. Ideally, we get a shot off with 5 to 7 seconds left so if it doesn't go, we still have a chance for a put back to potentially tie forcing Nova to go the length of the court for a last second winner.  If you hold and throw up a shot at the buzzer, if it rims out you have no chance to tie it.  I'm guessing Buzz had the right idea but it wasn't executed.
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: MUBasketball on January 09, 2010, 04:59:10 PM
Have you seen DePaul play this year?  There are high school teams that should expect to win easily over them.

True, my argument is more directed towards Providence. You play a team that plays the Tom David/Bruce Pearl style, anything can happen.
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 09, 2010, 06:31:29 PM
The play was supposed to go to Lazar as option 1 but he was doubled down.  Option 2 was to reverse it out with Lazar coming up to pick with the pass supposed to go down to Jimmy in the blocks--JB was then supposed to reverse it to the trey line.  If you look at the replay, DJO is sitting right there wide open but JB turned it over.  Nova made a nice play with the steal.
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 09, 2010, 07:27:13 PM
True, my argument is more directed towards Providence. You play a team that plays the Tom David/Bruce Pearl style, anything can happen.

He doesn't really have his horses yet to play that style. They do it in fits and bits. PC is no better then they've been last few years and Marquette has been able to handle them just fine for the most part. Plus, the game is in the Bradley and given what we've seen the last two weeks there is no reason to be losing to teams that are on our level, or below, at home.

As for DePaul, just utterly unnatural carnal knowledgeing horrible basketball team.
Title: Re: Wow....can't even get a shot off
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 09, 2010, 08:29:02 PM
The play was supposed to go to Lazar as option 1 but he was doubled down.  Option 2 was to reverse it out with Lazar coming up to pick with the pass supposed to go down to Jimmy in the blocks--JB was then supposed to reverse it to the trey line.  If you look at the replay, DJO is sitting right there wide open but JB turned it over.  Nova made a nice play with the steal.

They made a great play, but Acker didn't do JB any favors with an entry pass that never should have happened.  He already had two defenders in his space, making the double team pretty simple.  I don't think Jimmy really had a chance to make a play given his position when he caught the ball. Would have liked them to take their last timeout when Jimmy was in trouble and reset the play.