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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: OpenLook on January 04, 2010, 07:08:14 PM
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Vander and Reggie Smith were at the Villanova game Saturday. They had to be impressed with the crowd and the effort against a top 10 team. As a parting comment, he also said "we are in on some guys for the spring" signing period.
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Glad to hear Vander Blue and Reggie Smith were there. I was at the game too and I thought the crowd was quiet for a lot of the game, or maybe not as loud as I expected it, but I was impressed with the numbers that showed up in the student section.
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I really wish the stupid PA announcer would stop referring to the student section as the best in the nation, because it's actually pretty lame!!
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Buzz also had a lot to say about the whole issue of not playing enough guys and not playing Mbao and EW. Sure seems like he is reading a lot of the comments on these boards or someone is filling him in. Bottom line both are such a liability on defense that Buzz feels that they would have given away enough points that any positive effect that other players would get by being a little more rested would be wiped out. He also said that he thought WVA got information about what the 1-3-1 MU experimented with at the Pres because it was "posted on the internet boards". There are a couple of interesting exchanges and Homer actually stay on topic for a change. Its worth a listen.
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where can I find the interview?
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http://www.gomarquette.com/blog/
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I really wish the stupid PA announcer would stop referring to the student section as the best in the nation, because it's actually pretty lame!!
What flavor HATER-ade do you drink? Is it grape or cherry?
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I really wish the stupid PA announcer would stop referring to the student section as the best in the nation, because it's actually pretty lame!!
No the student section is fine. The Bradley Center is lame.
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No the student section is fine. The Bradley Center is lame.
MU is near the top for attendance on a yearly basis, players/recruits comment on being able to be around an NBA facility and players/team, the AL is a great practice facility.... I understand the Bradley Center needs some updates as far as an NBA arena, but I think it's a pretty good thing for MU in comparison to other schools.
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I really wish the stupid PA announcer would stop referring to the student section as the best in the nation, because it's actually pretty lame!!
Lame? How many other student sections have you seen at D-I schools? Sure, MU's may not be the best in the nation, but to call it lame... well that's just lame.
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I went to the Miami Hurricanes game last week. An OOC break game against Bethune Cookman. Their student section had about 7 people. Considering our numbers for Presbyterian, I'd hardly call our section lame.
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Buzz also had a lot to say about the whole issue of not playing enough guys and not playing Mbao and EW. Sure seems like he is reading a lot of the comments on these boards or someone is filling him in.
I guarentee you, Buzz Williams is NOT reading anything on this board lol. And if someone is filling him in, he doesn't give a rat's a$$ what is said on here.
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The only thing annoying about the PA announcer is how he says JIMMMAY BUTTTTLAHHHHH
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I really wish the stupid PA announcer would stop referring to the student section as the best in the nation, because it's actually pretty lame!!
For a game that was played over break, when students are back home, don't you think it was pretty good?
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The PA announcer is nuts. At the NCState game, we were sure he was high on both legal and illegal substances. Last Saturday, my friends thought he'd had way too much caffeine before the game. He needs to chill out a little.
I was impressed with the student numbers on Saturday. Crowd could have been a little louder, though.
Our seats are way up in the upper deck. Seems many people there don't know about standing until we score our first basket. I'm waiting for the people behind us to ask us to sit down.
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The PA is embarassing. Sounds like he should be doing XFL games.
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Glad to hear Vander Blue and Reggie Smith were there. I was at the game too and I thought the crowd was quiet for a lot of the game, or maybe not as loud as I expected it, but I was impressed with the numbers that showed up in the student section.
Not sure how many people are aware, but MU offered General Admission tickets for $15 to the student section for the Nova game to help fill it up. There were plenty of student parents and alums sitting in the student section. Helps explain why it was both filled and also why it wasn't as loud.
They're also making the offer for the Georgetown game too.
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Lame? How many other student sections have you seen at D-I schools? Sure, MU's may not be the best in the nation, but to call it lame... well that's just lame.
I think he was calling the announcement of the student section as being the "best in the nation" as lame, I don't think he was referring to the student section or PA announcer as lame.
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really wish the stupid PA announcer would stop referring to the student section as the best in the nation, because it's actually pretty lame!!
Um, no...he's clearly calling the student section lame. Or else he's calling the announcer "it".
The student section was awesome in my day (92-96). It was down by the band and you had assigned seats. Isn't it a general admission set up these days, where you have to queue up outside hours before the game to get a decent seat? That would suck. We'd hang out at the Gym Bar in those hours before the game and then walk down to the BC.
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The student section was awesome in my day (92-96). It was down by the band and you had assigned seats. Isn't it a general admission set up these days, where you have to queue up outside hours before the game to get a decent seat? That would suck. We'd hang out at the Gym Bar in those hours before the game and then walk down to the BC.
Now, that is a lame way to do the student section.
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MU is near the top for attendance on a yearly basis, players/recruits comment on being able to be around an NBA facility and players/team, the AL is a great practice facility.... I understand the Bradley Center needs some updates as far as an NBA arena, but I think it's a pretty good thing for MU in comparison to other schools.
As much as I think the BC is great for MU- relatively cheap, large, coolness factor that a NBA team plays there. I'm just curious if MU gave any thought to making the Al bigger like the Kohl Center. I assume budget had a lot to do with it but anyone know if they gave it serious thought. It would definitely be huge for smaller games to be on campus.
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As much as I think the BC is great for MU- relatively cheap, large, coolness factor that a NBA team plays there. I'm just curious if MU gave any thought to making the Al bigger like the Kohl Center. I assume budget had a lot to do with it but anyone know if they gave it serious thought. It would definitely be huge for smaller games to be on campus.
Where would you have put the rest of it? The AL takes up most of the block...
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No the student section is fine. The Bradley Center is lame
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
The BC is the worst basketball venue I have seen in a long time (right behind the Sears Center in Hoffman Estates and the Allstate Arena in lovely Rosemont, IL). The student section couldn't be farther away therefore diminishing their potential impact. They are loud and passionate just so far removed.
I too was at the game and I was impressed by the vociferous booing that took place. We sounded like Badger fans, incredulous after every perceived non-call. I was also near a gentleman who felt the need to lambaste Lazar while he was at the line in the second half. The place is quiet and this jack ass is screaming at him to get in the game while he was in the act of shoot a FT.
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+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
The BC is the worst basketball venue I have seen in a long time (right behind the Sears Center in Hoffman Estates and the Allstate Arena in lovely Rosemont, IL). The student section couldn't be farther away therefore diminishing their potential impact. They are loud and passionate just so far removed.
Everyone who wants students around the court, it will not happen. End of discussion.
You know why the BC is one of the best college basketball venues? Alcohol. Be grateful.
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Where would you have put the rest of it? The AL takes up most of the block...
Agreed.
Plus, think of the logistics involved with 15000- 18000 people.
Traffic, parking, freeway ramps, etc. etc.
The Bradley Center isn't perfect, but it's really not bad. MU has done a good job of making it look/feel more like a college atmosphere since the 90's.
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As much as I think the BC is great for MU- relatively cheap, large, coolness factor that a NBA team plays there. I'm just curious if MU gave any thought to making the Al bigger like the Kohl Center. I assume budget had a lot to do with it but anyone know if they gave it serious thought. It would definitely be huge for smaller games to be on campus.
The AL seats about 4,000, and the Kohl Center seats 17,000...not even close
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Where would you have put the rest of it? The AL takes up most of the block...
Suspend the students upside down from the ceiling like bats. Then opponents would call it the cave, and shiver in fear of playing there...
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As much as I think the BC is great for MU- relatively cheap, large, coolness factor that a NBA team plays there. I'm just curious if MU gave any thought to making the Al bigger like the Kohl Center. I assume budget had a lot to do with it but anyone know if they gave it serious thought. It would definitely be huge for smaller games to be on campus.
+1 to Hards and the north side of the building butts up against the sidewalk so you couldn't just add seating. With the team offices and administration offices and practice gym to the south, a major remodel would have to be done to make it work.
The only thing annoying about the PA announcer is how he says JIMMMAY BUTTTTLAHHHHH
That's great. Plus, by the end of the game it normally just sounds like "Yimmmmmmah Buuullllahhh" I enjoy his energy and whenever 4 subs come in he says "a new set of tires for ____". He does his job well which is to inform the crowd of happenings in the game and adds to the excitement of the event, imho.
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MU is near the top for attendance on a yearly basis, players/recruits comment on being able to be around an NBA facility and players/team, the AL is a great practice facility.... I understand the Bradley Center needs some updates as far as an NBA arena, but I think it's a pretty good thing for MU in comparison to other schools.
That's fine and all...but it is a sound suck. The way it is laid out just makes it so quiet.
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Where would you have put the rest of it? The AL takes up most of the block...
There are different options.
http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&q=al+mcguire+center&fb=1&gl=us&hq=al+mcguire+center&hnear=Milwaukee,+WI&cid=0,0,12894486559253832462&ei=fHRDS6GdOJXSNbqUjIYJ&ved=0CBMQnwIwAw&ll=43.039626,-87.92809&spn=0.002466,0.005681&t=h&z=18
Maybe across the street behind Abbottsford, adding a little bit of room. Or even locations on the west end before some of these other buildings were planned.
I'm just more curious than actually suggesting they should've done that.
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The student section was awesome in my day (92-96). It was down by the band and you had assigned seats. Isn't it a general admission set up these days, where you have to queue up outside hours before the game to get a decent seat? That would suck. We'd hang out at the Gym Bar in those hours before the game and then walk down to the BC.
The assigned seats lead to bad things...such as the law students sitting closest to the floor while the loudest ones were up top. The general admission is better from a loudness perspective.
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I guarentee you, Buzz Williams is NOT reading anything on this board lol. And if someone is filling him in, he doesn't give a rat's a$$ what is said on here.
Listen to the interview. Buzz is very worked up about how "EVERYBODY" is telling him he needs to play Erik more, and a 7 man rotation is the reason they are losing close games. Later he talks about how the stuff they worked on Sunday was POSTED on the INTERNET. While I agree he doesn't have time to cruise MUSCOOP I'll bet people around him are very aware of it. Obama doesn't what Fox News but I'll bet people tell him the tone of what is being said.
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The AL seats about 4,000, and the Kohl Center seats 17,000...not even close
I meant when they were in the planning stages of the AL. Sorry, I have some state school tendencies, and wouldn't mind seeing an arena on 17th where the Engineering school is getting built. Could've had the atmosphere of parties on 17th and going to a 11 o'clock game. I guess this would have been a negative in the mindset of the university.
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I'm not sure if you understand the footprint of a building that large. It would absolutely not fit where you are suggesting.
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I guarentee you, Buzz Williams is NOT reading anything on this board lol. And if someone is filling him in, he doesn't give a rat's a$$ what is said on here.
You'd be wrong. If it were up to most coaches, message boards either wouldn't exist or would be so tightly moderated that no one would post.
MU has already been involved in the recruitment of multiple players that have changed their minds on schools because of message board comments. MU has had games in the past where unpublished injury information and game plan information was leaked via a message board to the opposing team.
Coaches absolutely do know what happens on the board, and for the most part they dislike them immensely.
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I'm not sure if you understand the footprint of a building that large. It would absolutely not fit where you are suggesting.
Not including the 2 lobbies, the BC is close to fitting on that space. Look at the map and scale and compare the two.
Also, keep in mind the BC is a Hockey Arena. That means seats can be closer to the court, thus taking up less room. I don't think it would be crazy to think a 15,000 seat arena could have been put there.
Although, you would lose practice courts and lose the offices, which I would guess defeat the purpose. Just throwing stuff out there on a Tuesday morning. Just more a question if those in the know ever heard that idea thrown around or if they ever wanted a stadium on campus.
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You'd be wrong. If it were up to most coaches, message boards either wouldn't exist or would be so tightly moderated that no one would post.
MU has already been involved in the recruitment of multiple players that have changed their minds on schools because of message board comments. MU has had games in the past where unpublished injury information and game plan information was leaked via a message board to the opposing team.
Coaches absolutely do know what happens on the board, and for the most part they dislike them immensely.
Can you say who besides Blue?
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You'd be wrong. If it were up to most coaches, message boards either wouldn't exist or would be so tightly moderated that no one would post.
MU has already been involved in the recruitment of multiple players that have changed their minds on schools because of message board comments. MU has had games in the past where unpublished injury information and game plan information was leaked via a message board to the opposing team.
Coaches absolutely do know what happens on the board, and for the most part they dislike them immensely.
Are you saying that MU has lost BB recruits over what was posted on this or other message boards?
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Can you say who besides Blue?
The only one I'll name is Terrence Boyd. He's a SG/SF in the class of 2009. At one point a Top 100 player.
MU began recruiting him pretty soon after Buzz took over, when he was a really hot name on the scene. At the time he was a Kentucky lean and really like BCG. He went on a visit to Kentucky and was planning on committing to them as soon as he got home and discussed it with his family.
By the time he got home there were dozens of posts trashing him on both the main UK boards, and he was tipped off to those posts by those close to them. Soon after reading them, he eliminated UK from consideration and spent a considerable amount of time trying to get his friend Daniel Orton(also a UK target at the time) not to go there.
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Are you saying that MU has lost BB recruits over what was posted on this or other message boards?
Yes.
I'm also saying MU has lost games over what was posted on this or other message boards.
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Not including the 2 lobbies, the BC is close to fitting on that space. Look at the map and scale and compare the two.
Also, keep in mind the BC is a Hockey Arena. That means seats can be closer to the court, thus taking up less room. I don't think it would be crazy to think a 15,000 seat arena could have been put there.
Although, you would lose practice courts and lose the offices, which I would guess defeat the purpose. Just throwing stuff out there on a Tuesday morning. Just more a question if those in the know ever heard that idea thrown around or if they ever wanted a stadium on campus.
My guess if that they COULD have fit a building this size if they really wanted to.
The problem(s) are as follows:
- takes away potential space for future dorms/academic buildings
- a full sized arena wouldn't necessarily solve the practice facility/athletic office needs of the school
- PARKING and LOGISTICS (biggest issues in my mind) MU's campus neighborhood is already pretty busy during the school year (cars, pedestrians, parking spaces, parking garages, etc). Putting another 15,000 people plus arena employees on campus for 16 home games (plus concerts, etc. etc.) would be a problem (IMHO). Where are they going to park? Where are they going to walk? Where are they going to eat? Are student yards going to turn into parking lot like up in GB?
That's a lot of headaches just to claim that "MU has an on campus arena".
Now, if you want to talk hypotheticals, maybe MU should have purchased the Milwaukee arena and retrofit it to hold 15,000+ (no idea how).
I like the Bradley Center fine, but it's not the best college arena around.
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Yes.
I'm also saying MU has lost games over what was posted on this or other message boards.
Great another excuse besides free throws and coaching as to why MU can't win the close ones. The Message Board Fault. What is going on in this world?
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The Presberterian (sp) game was broadcast on gomarquette.com. I'm pretty sure they have the Internet in West Va. Huggy like most D1 coaches has about 13 some odd assistants, guessing one of them was resourceful enough to check MU's website for any possible broadcast info.
Buzz hopefully is smart enough to know that if you do something in front of 9,000 people, it's not going to remain a secret.
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My guess is that Huggins in his years and years of playing and coaching has seen what Buzz was trying to do at WVA and knows hoe to adjust to it. Was this some new offense/defense that Buzz invented? I don't think it was, but my guess is that Huggins didn't need to be tipped off by a message board to know how to defend it.
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Yes.
I'm also saying MU has lost games over what was posted on this or other message boards.
Games or Recruits?
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There's a difference between knowing how to stop something and expecting it to be done in advance so that you can prepare your players for it. There's only so many hours of practice available, you can't spend time teach your guys how to beat something that a team hasn't shown at all before.
If MU busts out a 1-3-1 against WVU and Huggins has seen it or is aware it might happen, the chances of effectiveness for MU aren't as high as they would be if it was something they'd only done in practice specifically in preparation for that one game.
Part of the game is and always has been the element of surprise and how you adjust to that. The internet has eliminated much of that, as there are very rarely real surprises anymore.
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Games or Recruits?
Both.
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There's a difference between knowing how to stop something and expecting it to be done in advance so that you can prepare your players for it. There's only so many hours of practice available, you can't spend time teach your guys how to beat something that a team hasn't shown at all before.
If MU busts out a 1-3-1 against WVU and Huggins has seen it or is aware it might happen, the chances of effectiveness for MU aren't as high as they would be if it was something they'd only done in practice specifically in preparation for that one game.
Part of the game is and always has been the element of surprise and how you adjust to that. The internet has eliminated much of that, as there are very rarely real surprises anymore.
One of my favorite things to do as a youth basketball coach is to mess up a team by throwing out a different defense out of nowhere. I have our kids play almost entirely man-to-man defense...not because it is the most effective, but because it teaches the kids better defensive skills.
But I will have some sort of verbal command at after a made basket that will have them drop into a 1-3-1 of some sort...possibly even with a half court trap. Oftentimes this requires the other team to take a timeout. Only then I come back with man-to-man after the timeout and break back out the 1-3-1 later.
Fun stuff.
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One of my favorite things to do as a youth basketball coach is to mess up a team by throwing out a different defense out of nowhere. I have our kids play almost entirely man-to-man defense...not because it is the most effective, but because it teaches the kids better defensive skills.
But I will have some sort of verbal command at after a made basket that will have them drop into a 1-3-1 of some sort...possibly even with a half court trap. Oftentimes this requires the other team to take a timeout. Only then I come back with man-to-man after the timeout and break back out the 1-3-1 later.
Fun stuff.
My middle school coach did this as well... We used the 2-3 though.
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Yes.
I'm also saying MU has lost games over what was posted on this or other message boards.
Not saying that didn't happen, but it sure is flabbergasting. That somehow one of the scores of arm-chair quarterbacks actually had previously unknown, unobservable from game tape knowledge that another team could use to a winning benefit .. that's downright amazing.
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Not saying that didn't happen, but it sure is flabbergasting. That somehow one of the scores of arm-chair quarterbacks actually had previously unknown, unobservable from game tape knowledge that another team could use to a winning benefit .. that's downright amazing.
I think the injury angle is a more likely result.... X student sees Jimmy Butler in a walking boot and mentions it on Ye Olde Scoop. That would be info an opposing coach would want to know, but could not have learned through normal channels.
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So it's a good bet that Crean knows I dislike him and have called him out as a phoney?
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So it's a good bet that Crean knows I dislike him and have called him out as a phoney?
My neighbor's pet spider knows that and he didn't even know what basketball is until a few moments ago. He also got a little green in the face when I mentioned it... sick of hearing it maybe? :P
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Not saying that didn't happen, but it sure is flabbergasting. That somehow one of the scores of arm-chair quarterbacks actually had previously unknown, unobservable from game tape knowledge that another team could use to a winning benefit .. that's downright amazing.
I'm talking things that wouldn't be available from viewing game tape because they aren't in it. Plays that hadn't been unveiled yet, game plans that hadn't been used yet, defenses the team hadn't shown...all the sorts of things that you can learn about at practice.
IWB has told the story before, but one of the more well known ones occurred back in the C-USA days. Remember when they used to do giveaways where you could watch a practice or go travel with the team to an away game? The guy that won the drawing found out information that was previously unknown regarding injuries and game plans for that particular opponent. He went back to his hotel and posted about what he had seen, which got picked up by the other team's message board, and eventually made it's way into the hands of the opposing coaching staff. So when game time came, they were not shocked about the injury like they should have been, and they were ready for the new offense that hadn't been seen before.
That's just one event, but if you were to through the history of the MU forums you'd find all sorts of things....and it's not just MU that has that problem. The reason coaches are so secretive nowadays is that there are very few people who think about the effect something might have on their team before they post it for the whole world to see.
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Everyone who wants students around the court, it will not happen. End of discussion.
You know why the BC is one of the best college basketball venues? Alcohol. Be grateful.
Adding to these points.
1. The amount of money that is raised by having Season Ticket holders make donations is substantial. Putting the students on the sidelines would dry up that well.
2. I don't know the rule, but always understood that if the school did not own the facility, alcohol could be served. Long removed from being a student, I'd still say let's keep the current arrangement and not have the school own anything.
That said, there were talks to renovate the BC a few years back. It will happen. It's just a question of when the Bucks want to/can pony up the money. Patience grasshoppers.
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I guess no one should be surprised it "has" happened. Everything "has" happened. But the signal to noise ratio has got to be through the roof.
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I'm talking things that wouldn't be available from viewing game tape because they aren't in it. Plays that hadn't been unveiled yet, game plans that hadn't been used yet, defenses the team hadn't shown...all the sorts of things that you can learn about at practice.
IWB has told the story before, but one of the more well known ones occurred back in the C-USA days. Remember when they used to do giveaways where you could watch a practice or go travel with the team to an away game? The guy that won the drawing found out information that was previously unknown regarding injuries and game plans for that particular opponent. He went back to his hotel and posted about what he had seen, which got picked up by the other team's message board, and eventually made it's way into the hands of the opposing coaching staff. So when game time came, they were not shocked about the injury like they should have been, and they were ready for the new offense that hadn't been seen before.
That's just one event, but if you were to through the history of the MU forums you'd find all sorts of things....and it's not just MU that has that problem. The reason coaches are so secretive nowadays is that there are very few people who think about the effect something might have on their team before they post it for the whole world to see.
I would call BS on most posters claiming this, but bma has the credibilty to call on this
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I think the injury angle is a more likely result.... X student sees Jimmy Butler in a walking boot and mentions it on Ye Olde Scoop. That would be info an opposing coach would want to know, but could not have learned through normal channels.
That's a big one.
Every coach is trying to keep the other team guessing as to whether or not a kid is 100% healthy. That's why they hide behind HIPAA and give vague answers when asked about injuries. But every message board out there has students that see the players on campus and post about so and so being in a boot or on crutches.
That kind of stuff gets picked up by opposing fans who then find a way to forward it on to the right people for their team.
Obviously that in and off itself won't be the sole reason for a loss, but every little thing is important. When a team knows that player X may not play due to injury, they can spend time game planning for that occurrance. If it happens, then they are ready for something that 15 years ago they likely would not have been.
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Suspend the students upside down from the ceiling like bats. Then opponents would call it the cave, and shiver in fear of playing there...
How could 25+ comments be posted before acknowledging the hilarity of this one?! It is classic. Take a moment and envision the scene of students hanging upside down over the court. I'm glad I work from home, as I would be disturbing others with my laughter.
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I guess no one should be surprised it "has" happened. Everything "has" happened. But the signal to noise ratio has got to be through the roof.
Absolutely. But in a business like college basketball, a lot of peoplare aren't willing to take chances.
That's why some coaching staffs get in good with admins of message boards, so they have someone to do that kind of work for them. That's why some coaching staffs will recommend a player check out a specific message board that is known to be highly moderated and very pro-staff/team for their view of the fanbase. I'm not necessarily talking about MU here, but you'd be surprised the lengths to which some programs throughout the country will try to control the uncontrollable.
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Wait a minute...are you suggesting that there's an MU message board where the coaches indirectly control what is discussed? I'm shocked!!
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Wait a minute...are you suggesting that there's an MU message board where the coaches indirectly control what is discussed? I'm shocked!!
No, no. I think he just forgot to use teal.
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Wait a minute...are you suggesting that there's an MU message board where the coaches indirectly control what is discussed as premium content for $9.95 / month? I'm shocked!!*
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*may not be entirely true with the new coaching staff
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Just for the record, if Marquette wants to give me, spiral, 'topper and socal $9/month for all of our 3000+ existing users, and turn this place into a "private" forum, I'd take that deal.
I know....I'm a sellout. But anybody that's already in would get access ;D
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BMA, you've posted some pretty good stuff on here before...But if you actually think coaching staffs at the big time level look at and take seriously message boards, you are crazy and 100% wrong.
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How could 25+ comments be posted before acknowledging the hilarity of this one?! It is classic. Take a moment and envision the scene of students hanging upside down over the court. I'm glad I work from home, as I would be disturbing others with my laughter.
Bo Ryan would feel right at home.
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There is a reason BMA has developed the reputation he has...
Why should anyone give any credibility to your comments?
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BMA, you've posted some pretty good stuff on here before...But if you actually think coaching staffs at the big time level look at and take seriously message boards, you are crazy and 100% wrong.
You sir, are an idiot.
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Just for the record, if Marquette wants to give me, spiral, 'topper and socal $9/month for all of our 3000+ existing users, and turn this place into a "private" forum, I'd take that deal.
I know....I'm a sellout. But anybody that's already in would get access ;D
I'm letting you do the negotiating then Rocky.. I woulda taken $8.
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ok, if what's posted on message boards can affect opposing team game plans, why not start posting bogus stuff ... like, say, Lazar broke his leg and MU is going to start four guards tomorrow night? Let G-Town prepare for something that is not true. Does that create a surprise for them and give us an edge?
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PA announcer at halftime: Dribble Dribble
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ok, if what's posted on message boards can affect opposing team game plans, why not start posting bogus stuff ... like, say, Lazar broke his leg and MU is going to start four guards tomorrow night? Let G-Town prepare for something that is not true. Does that create a surprise for them and give us an edge?
That would be hilarious. I remember there was a message board I was part of that you saw certain "hidden" information if you had over a certain number of posts (like 100). Then you can put in the message "just kidding" and the outsiders would think it true.
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OK, that now explains our loss to Missouri in last year's tournament. Mike Anderson knew DJ was going to play after reading this board and game planned for him.
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I'll say this...wasn't there a game a year or so ago...maybe involving Huggins (K State?) in which they either upset somebody or lost against a surprise triangle and two? I don't think it's that outrageous that Huggins would recognize the defense without having looked at a message board. They guy isn't an idiot.
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First, I saw Cords reading the old Rivals board in his office before we had a meeting there during the '03 season.
Second, Buzz was pretty pissed last year at the Chicago tip off dinner when someone had leaked that MU was practicing at Whitney Young (they weren't). I think he even mentioned that he had talked to a NCAA compliance officer that day, telling him that that wasn't a good idea.
Third, I don't think games are necessarily won or lost by what's on a message board. It's like saying a game was won or lost by the officials. I remember the Izzo story about TC and his paranoia. Before a practice at an NCAA tournament site, TC was up in the rafters searching for secret cameras. Izzo finally told him that whoever they were playing had 20 game tapes on them anyway, it wasn't like they didn't know what was coming anyway. So Izzo told him to quit searching. You might learn some information that way, but I don't think it wins or loses games.
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First, I saw Cords reading the old Rivals board in his office before we had a meeting there during the '03 season.
Second, Buzz was pretty pissed last year at the Chicago tip off dinner when someone had leaked that MU was practicing at Whitney Young (they weren't). I think he even mentioned that he had talked to a NCAA compliance officer that day, telling him that that wasn't a good idea.
Third, I don't think games are necessarily won or lost by what's on a message board. It's like saying a game was won or lost by the officials. I remember the Izzo story about TC and his paranoia. Before a practice at an NCAA tournament site, TC was up in the rafters searching for secret cameras. Izzo finally told him that whoever they were playing had 20 game tapes on them anyway, it wasn't like they didn't know what was coming anyway. So Izzo told him to quit searching. You might learn some information that way, but I don't think it wins or loses games.
I4 was just redirecting all of the cameras on himself.
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So, you just choose to ignore BMA's warnings? Can't believe anyone would takethat approach.
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ok, if what's posted on message boards can affect opposing team game plans, why not start posting bogus stuff ... like, say, Lazar broke his leg and MU is going to start four guards tomorrow night? Let G-Town prepare for something that is not true. Does that create a surprise for them and give us an edge?
This just in: Marquette has been running the Princeton offense in practice this week! ;)
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I remember the Izzo story about TC and his paranoia. Before a practice at an NCAA tournament site, TC was up in the rafters searching for secret cameras. Izzo finally told him that whoever they were playing had 20 game tapes on them anyway, it wasn't like they didn't know what was coming anyway. So Izzo told him to quit searching. You might learn some information that way, but I don't think it wins or loses games.
That's actually a story about Crean's stupidity
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I really wish the stupid PA announcer would stop referring to the student section as the best in the nation, because it's actually pretty lame!!
+1
It just sounds silly (the announcement--not the students).
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No the student section is fine. The Bradley Center is lame.
...but if we play elsewhere, like if they actually put an arena on campus somehow, we can't drink beer during the games. Decisions, decisions.
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The PA announcer is nuts. At the NCState game, we were sure he was high on both legal and illegal substances. Last Saturday, my friends thought he'd had way too much caffeine before the game. He needs to chill out a little.
I was impressed with the student numbers on Saturday. Crowd could have been a little louder, though.
Our seats are way up in the upper deck. Seems many people there don't know about standing until we score our first basket. I'm waiting for the people behind us to ask us to sit down.
Maybe we can hire that guy who does the And 1 Mixtape Tours so he can say things like "Oh baby" and "The Professah!"
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You'd be wrong. If it were up to most coaches, message boards either wouldn't exist or would be so tightly moderated that no one would post.
MU has already been involved in the recruitment of multiple players that have changed their minds on schools because of message board comments. MU has had games in the past where unpublished injury information and game plan information was leaked via a message board to the opposing team.
Coaches absolutely do know what happens on the board, and for the most part they dislike them immensely.
Please. Every school has message boards with the exact same stuff as ours. Boards are a fact of life today.
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How could 25+ comments be posted before acknowledging the hilarity of this one?! It is classic. Take a moment and envision the scene of students hanging upside down over the court. I'm glad I work from home, as I would be disturbing others with my laughter.
But how would they drink? HOW WOULD THEY DRINK?!?!?
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...but if we play elsewhere, like if they actually put an arena on campus somehow, we can't drink beer during the games. Decisions, decisions.
Not necessarily. MU is not a dry campus. The Annex is owned and operated by the school and serves beer. That said, is the AL alcohol-free?
I've always liked the idea of having just ONE single game--don't care if it's preseason, conference, whatever--in the Al McGuire Center and open it up to half students (those crazy enough to camp out) and half season ticket holders picked in a lottery (or just ALL students). It would be so cool to pack that thing full for a men's game. Make a really big deal out of it. Just once a year. Obviously, it's wishful thinking, doesn't work with season ticket holders, etc etc. A kid can dream, though.
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Not necessarily. MU is not a dry campus. The Annex is owned and operated by the school and serves beer. That said, is the AL alcohol-free?
I've always liked the idea of having just ONE single game--don't care if it's preseason, conference, whatever--in the Al McGuire Center and open it up to half students (those crazy enough to camp out) and half season ticket holders picked in a lottery (or just ALL students). It would be so cool to pack that thing full for a men's game. Make a really big deal out of it. Just once a year. Obviously, it's wishful thinking, doesn't work with season ticket holders, etc etc. A kid can dream, though.
speaking of which...St. John's, a fellow BE team that plays in an NBA arena, plays a couple of games each season in their on-campus arena. In fact, Marquette is going to be playing the Red Storm there.
http://www.stjohns.edu/campuses/enhancements/carnesecca
I wonder if the Big East has a stipulation on the # of seats which is why MU can't play a home game at the AL.
Carnesecca seats 6,000 > The AL seats 4,000
http://www.gomarquette.com/facilities/mcguirecenter.html
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It's interesting to me that Marquette's athletic programs are funded primarily by the basketball program (and the B&G Fund money it brings in), thereby making it extremely imperative that the revenue of the program be maximized, yet they have foregone the 2nd exhibition game the past few seasons in favor of a closed scrimmage.
I agree that a campus site would be awesome, but the ultimate price might be close to nine-figures when you consider the traffic re-routing, acquisition of off-campus housing, razing and rebuilding of student housing (on and off campus), building of additional parking structures, etc. (and I haven't even gotten to the costs of building the facility.) Marquette and the City of Milwaukee just doesn't have that kind of money.
Let's put it this way... if it made financial sense, it would have been done already.
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That said, there were talks to renovate the BC a few years back. It will happen. It's just a question of when the Bucks want to/can pony up the money. Patience grasshoppers.
The Bucks won't pay for major renovations, if they do it would be a waste of money. The BC isn't cost effective to renovate to make it into a profitable NBA arena. They will need a new arena, whether that happens or not time will tell.
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I wonder if the Big East has a stipulation on the # of seats which is why MU can't play a home game at the AL.
Carnesecca seats 6,000 > The AL seats 4,000
http://www.gomarquette.com/facilities/mcguirecenter.html
I know the Horizon league has a seat minimum...I believe it is 5,000. That is why UW-Milwaukee no longer plays games at the Klotsche (sp??) and UW-Green Bay plays at the Resch and not at their brand new on campus facility that the women play in
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I wonder if the Big East has a stipulation on the # of seats which is why MU can't play a home game at the AL.
Carnesecca seats 6,000 > The AL seats 4,000
http://www.gomarquette.com/facilities/mcguirecenter.html
How much do you think it would cost MU, in lost revenue, to play a game at the AL? $300K-500K, more/less?
(Hypothetically speaking, if there were no other obstacles to playing.)
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Not necessarily. MU is not a dry campus. The Annex is owned and operated by the school and serves beer. That said, is the AL alcohol-free?
Alcohol cannot be served at an college owned arena.
EDITED: I may be wrong.
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Alcohol cannot be served at an college owned arena.
What about Xavier?
I've been told they sell booze there, and I think the Cintas center is on campus (although maybe technically not "school owned").
EDIT:
Well, the Cintas Center is on campus and definitely serves beer.
http://www.cintascenter.com/a.cfm#alcohol
It sure looks like it's owned by the school, but maybe it's technically owned by somebody else.
http://www.cintascenter.com/arena/
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Maybe we can hire that guy who does the And 1 Mixtape Tours so he can say things like "Oh baby" and "The Professah!"
That would be amazing. I loved the Professor.
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Alcohol cannot be served at an college owned arena.
I don't know who owns the Carrier Dome but they serve alcohol. It was also up to the U of Minnesota whether or not they wanted to serve alcohol or not.
http://www.startribune.com/local/44612457.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUjc8LDyiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr
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speaking of which...St. John's, a fellow BE team that plays in an NBA arena, plays a couple of games each season in their on-campus arena. In fact, Marquette is going to be playing the Red Storm there.
http://www.stjohns.edu/campuses/enhancements/carnesecca
I wonder if the Big East has a stipulation on the # of seats which is why MU can't play a home game at the AL.
Carnesecca seats 6,000 > The AL seats 4,000
http://www.gomarquette.com/facilities/mcguirecenter.html
I can't think that this is the case. Villanova's on-campus court is tiny. I can't imagine it seats more than 6,000.
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I can't think that this is the case. Villanova's on-campus court is tiny. I can't imagine it seats more than 6,000.
6,500
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pavilion
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Cintas Center at XU does sell beer.
So does the football and basketball venues at UC (both on-campus).
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It might be that alcohol can't be served at an NCAA sponsored event. The BC doesn't serve beer during the NCAA tourney.
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I believe it's up to the school/venue to decide on beer sales.
as an example, the kohl hole doesn't sell beer but has it available in the suites.
any tourney game is dry.