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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Mu2323 on December 29, 2009, 06:27:45 PM
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Nothing more just a rediculous dunk
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Wow!
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edit: wow, nevermind. Just saw the replay. That dunk was indeed sick.
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lazar stole the ball at mid court and did a tomahawk and 1
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Didn't know Zar had that in his game..took off from middle of paint and threw down. Too bad Maymon couldn't see how a player can develop in the MU program. Zar had NO hops as a freshman..Maymon not much either..but with a work ethic and the MU strength/conditioning coach..u see what is possible
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Lazar improved his athleticism greatly at MU, however, he would have done the same at any good DI school. Strength and conditioning isn't exclusive to MU.
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Didn't know Zar had that in his game..took off from middle of paint and threw down. Too bad Maymon couldn't see how a player can develop in the MU program. Zar had NO hops as a freshman..Maymon not much either..but with a work ethic and the MU strength/conditioning coach..u see what is possible
Actually, Lazar had hops his freshman year. Remember the putback dunk he had against the Badgers at the BC 12/06?
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Nothing more just a rediculous dunk
You mean the dunk by Devin Ebanks to cut the lead to 1 with 16.2 seconds left? Yes, it made me sick.
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did it count for 6? Or was it just another 2 points?? who cares
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did it count for 6? Or was it just another 2 points?? who cares
What an ignorant comment. Those are the type of plays kids dream of....the type of plays that get MU on the Sportscenter Top Ten, and the type of plays that change momentum.
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ya i agree, it can change momentum...and if he cocked it back and bammed it off the back of the rim and we get no points......Seen that happen numerous times.
Are they playing to get on SportsCenter Top 10?? If they are, they are playing college basketball for the wrong reasons. Personally, I like W's over Top 10 highlight appearances, because in reality, this is a L and an 0-1 and there is no asterick by the L that says *Ya we lost by 1 but at least we made the SportsCenter Top 10*
So again, did we get 6 points for the dunk? Or was it just 2 and we still lost by 1?? I would have rather seen Hayward come up with a defensive stop with 1.8 seconds left than get that dunk.
If you are around the game more than just a casual observer, those dunks aren't that impressive
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ya i agree, it can change momentum...and if he cocked it back and bammed it off the back of the rim and we get no points......
Seen that happen numerous times.
So again, did we get 6 points for the dunk? Or was it just 2 and we still lost by 1. I would have rather seen Hayward come up with a defensive stop with 1.8 seconds left than get that dunk.
If you are around the game more than just a casual observer, those dunks aren't that impressive
The guy made a fade away deuce and Lazar played textbook defense on him. Yes we are all casual observers of the game and you know all. I hate when people pinpoint a specific play (Lazar's defense on WV final possession) in an effort to say because of this we lost the game. There are many reasons we lost and they won.
Lazar has not had many dunks like that, and it makes WV fans sit the **** down
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ya i agree, it can change momentum...and if he cocked it back and bammed it off the back of the rim and we get no points......Seen that happen numerous times.
Are they playing to get on SportsCenter Top 10?? If they are, they are playing college basketball for the wrong reasons. Personally, I like W's over Top 10 highlight appearances, because in reality, this is a L and an 0-1 and there is no asterick by the L that says *Ya we lost by 1 but at least we made the SportsCenter Top 10*
So again, did we get 6 points for the dunk? Or was it just 2 and we still lost by 1?? I would have rather seen Hayward come up with a defensive stop with 1.8 seconds left than get that dunk.
If you are around the game more than just a casual observer, those dunks aren't that impressive
Obviously we all would trade that dunk for a win. I don't think there's many casual observers that write on this board. If you don't think that steal & dunk were impressive, you are a blind observer.
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Well the title of this thread pinpoints a specific play....
I'm just making a point that the dunk that counted for 2 points was as impressive or as unimpressive as every other 2 point basket made throughout the game and it didn't help us any more or any less then any other 2 point basket throughout the game.
Except it was a SportsCenter Top 10 play, so we should get like a 1/2 of win in the standings or something....
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Obviously we all would trade that dunk for a win. I don't think there's many casual observers that write on this board. If you don't think that steal & dunk were impressive, you are a blind observer.
That's the kind of play that NBA scouts look at... defensive playmaking, ball handling, body control and a dunk from a foot in front of the line. It's cool to see MU on the top plays, but more importantly, that's the kind of play that helps us win games and get Lazar the attention he deserves.
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I was referring to your post not the topic, thats probably why I quoted it...
I would have rather seen Hayward come up with a defensive stop with 1.8 seconds left than get that dunk.
This thread didn't say that we won or lost the game because of Zar's dunk. I posted that one play didn't lose us the game.
That's the kind of play that NBA scouts look at... defensive playmaking, ball handling, body control and a dunk from a foot in front of the line. It's cool to see MU on the top plays, but more importantly, that's the kind of play that helps us win games and get Lazar the attention he deserves.
+1
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I guess ya'll aren't going to understand... Unless that dunk was the last second game winner, WHO CARES! It was another 2 POINT BASKET and they still lost by 1. Not impressed.
And attention and recognition comes with winning. Lazar can get all the dunks he wants, but if we don't finish in the top half of the conference or better, who gives a sh*t.
O and if they are out there playing for NBA scouts, Buzz has some issues...
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Well the title of this thread pinpoints a specific play....
I'm just making a point that the dunk that counted for 2 points was as impressive or as unimpressive as every other 2 point basket made throughout the game and it didn't help us any more or any less then any other 2 point basket throughout the game.
Except it was a SportsCenter Top 10 play, so we should get like a 1/2 of win in the standings or something....
Pretty ridiculous to say that because that dunk only counted for 2 points it was no more impressive than any other shot that went in during the game. That's like saying that you cheer equally during every point of the same value made throughout the game. If that's true, you're either too boring or too obnoxious to be around for an entire game.
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Unless that dunk was the last second game winner, WHO CARES!
You cared enough to waste our time.
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What an ignorant comment. Those are the type of plays kids dream of....the type of plays that get MU on the Sportscenter Top Ten, and the type of plays that change momentum.
I dream of Warriors making clutch free throws that win ballgames!
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I guess ya'll aren't going to understand... Unless that dunk was the last second game winner, WHO CARES!
Wow. That was pretty patronizing. Always a good way to get your point across.
I think all plays have more than just a direct impact. Yes, the dunk was only worth two points, but it quieted the crowd, pumped Lazar and the team and put just a hint of doubt into the mind of the defender / ball handler.
There's no way to put value on that.
Maybe the quiet crowd lead to a better defensive stance on the next play, and denied WV points that trip. Maybe that little bit of doubt in the defender's mind made him hesitant to swat the ball, leading to a cleaner pass, and an easier conversion. I'm sure it made that player protect the ball a little more next time up the floor.
There's much more to any single play than just the immediate result.
At worst, maybe that dunk was only good for two points. You can't guarantee me any other shot he could have taken at that point was going to be any better...
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Well the title of this thread pinpoints a specific play....
I'm just making a point that the dunk that counted for 2 points was as impressive or as unimpressive as every other 2 point basket made throughout the game and it didn't help us any more or any less then any other 2 point basket throughout the game.
Except it was a SportsCenter Top 10 play, so we should get like a 1/2 of win in the standings or something....
actually it ended up netting us 3 points.
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I can't believe anyone would downplay that dunk by Hayward. Point value was 2 but as Utile et Dulce says, it was worth more than that in other ways than the scoreboard. Hayward must be giving the guys hell - or at least I hope he is. He played his friggin heart out last night, put up one hell of an effort and unfortunately for us, WV pulled off the heartbreak win. I feel for Hayward that this is his senior year. After all he's done for this team, I'd love to see him have a year like the amigos did (right up until James' broken foot).
I also can't believe most of these posts are written by Marquette fans. Our guys played really well last night. Yes, that loss was just as heartbreaking as the Syracuse one, the FL State one, the NC State one and all those other last minute losses. But no one thought we could hang with WV and we gave them one hell of a run for their money. Show a litle love.
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If every basket is exactly the same then why even watch the game?
Are you trying to tell us that you didn't get enjoyment from watching Wade play win or lose?
Maybe you should just save yourself some time and check the score after the game is over........................ ::)
Basketball would be pretty boring if it was nothing but layups and free throws.
I appreciated Travis Diener's bomb against Louisville even though Gaines's bigger bomb ultimately cost us the game.
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It actually counted for 3 points, since he got the foul and made the free throw, so it did, in fact, count for more than 3 points. Plus it changed momentum. Somebody sounds a little bitter of Lazar's success. And why shouldn't the guys play to get attention for the NBA? Should their goals be to stop in college? Get a grip.
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I *love* the irony of the previous post when factoring in his screen name. Classic.
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Damn a page and a half of bitching, and i guess no one is going to post the video...
So I will
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_vdbcdDLUY
It was a nice dunk.
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I guess ya'll aren't going to understand... Unless that dunk was the last second game winner, WHO CARES! It was another 2 POINT BASKET and they still lost by 1. Not impressed.
And attention and recognition comes with winning. Lazar can get all the dunks he wants, but if we don't finish in the top half of the conference or better, who gives a sh*t.
O and if they are out there playing for NBA scouts, Buzz has some issues...
This kind of comment comes as no surprise from someone who uses a Mike Dean reference in their screen name. I'll bet you loved Mike Deane ball, right? Not sure any of his players ever finished above the rim, or for that matter ever made an NCAA tourney. Your comments make you sound like a hater - the dude who always wanted to be able to dunk, yet never could. As someone who could dunk, let me tell you it is a great feeling, and if you ever get the chance to throw down in a game - it is exhilirating. You know why, because 95% of fans, and 100% of your teammates go ape sh$t crazy, over something you just did..that inspires both you, your team, and most fans.
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Actually, for all of you smart a$$es trying to prove me wrong, the dunk was actually worth two points. The free throw he shot was worth 1 point. That is a total of 3. The shot in contention here was a two point shot and worth nothing more. I understand the concept of a 3 point play.
And no, Tim Maymon, guys shouldn't be playing their college ball for the NBA. They should be playing to win a conference title and get to the Final 4. If they are playing for themselves and their NBA career, they should just pull a Brandon Jennings and don't even mess around with college.
90% of you are just crazy a$$ fans who know little about the game and get WOWed by an average to nice dunk. "The momentum" factor....BULL*H*T!! That play happened with 8:27 left in the first half!!! Momentum is like a bucket full of water with a hole in the bottom...it quickly leaks away until it is gone. The "momentum" gained from that play lasted for maybe 1 minute tops...and sure as he!! didn't carry over into the 2nd half. Just relax people.
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And no, Tim Maymon, guys shouldn't be playing their college ball for the NBA. They should be playing to win a conference title and get to the Final 4. If they are playing for themselves and their NBA career, they should just pull a Brandon Jennings and don't even mess around with college.
How dare you challenge The Tim! He had JMay playing for UCF who will going to the Final Four.
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How dare you challenge The Tim! He had JMay playing for UCF who will going to the Final Four.
Hilarious! Well played.
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90% of you are just crazy a$$ fans who know little about the game and get WOWed by an average to nice dunk. "The momentum" factor....BULL*H*T!! That play happened with 8:27 left in the first half!!! Momentum is like a bucket full of water with a hole in the bottom...it quickly leaks away until it is gone. The "momentum" gained from that play lasted for maybe 1 minute tops...and sure as he!! didn't carry over into the 2nd half. Just relax people.
I sure hope I never have to sit next to you at an MU game. You are probably too cool, to get out of your seat and be enthusiastic over great plays, and would probably get annoyed with fans like myself or many of the others on this board - who think plays like Hayward's dunk deserve some credit, and warrant getting out of your seat and sharing in the enthusiasm of the moment.But to respect your instruction that us people need to "just relax," I'll make an attempt in the future to not enjoy myself and great plays at MU basketball games.
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Actually, for all of you smart a$$es trying to prove me wrong...
I'm certainly not trying to prove you wrong, but I think you've got admit two things:
1) Not everyone shares your contempt for this particular play. I've only seen Lazar dunk a few times, so to see him take off from where he did was pretty neat. It obviously fired him up, and for all he's given to the team (and me as a fan over the years), I'm happy to let him have that moment.
2) A shot is not only worth the direct point value it correlates to. You admit to the momentum part, but that's just a small component. That dunk started with a steal. You don't think the entire chain of events -- a steal, followed by a above average dunk, followed by a free throw extending Marquette's lead -- rattled the ball handler at all or quieted the crowd?
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Actually, for all of you smart a$$es trying to prove me wrong, the dunk was actually worth two points. The free throw he shot was worth 1 point. That is a total of 3. The shot in contention here was a two point shot and worth nothing more. I understand the concept of a 3 point play.
And no, Tim Maymon, guys shouldn't be playing their college ball for the NBA. They should be playing to win a conference title and get to the Final 4. If they are playing for themselves and their NBA career, they should just pull a Brandon Jennings and don't even mess around with college.
90% of you are just crazy a$$ fans who know little about the game and get WOWed by an average to nice dunk. "The momentum" factor....BULL*H*T!! That play happened with 8:27 left in the first half!!! Momentum is like a bucket full of water with a hole in the bottom...it quickly leaks away until it is gone. The "momentum" gained from that play lasted for maybe 1 minute tops...and sure as he!! didn't carry over into the 2nd half. Just relax people.
This guy is clearly a douche bag.
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90% of you are just crazy a$$ fans who know little about the game and get WOWed by an average to nice dunk
Debbie downer, your point of view is coming off as someone who didn't attend MU.
There is nothing like the high of watching someone who attends the same university as you did play their rear ends off and finally
get noticed because he is no longer under the shadow of the Big 3, Lazar got credit where credit was due on top plays.
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I'm gonna be honest, I thought the Lazar dunk was huge. When's the last time you saw him make a play like that end to end. I was up and clapping. MikeDeanMeminger blah blah blah is just trying to get a rise out myself and the rest of us. I'm really proud of how well the team played against WV and hope they bring those skills against 'Nova. Go MU.
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Validation is simple. Of all the plays in all the sports in all the world that day, ESPN thougt this was one of the 10 best. These guys know the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat so who are we to question?
Mike Deane needs a time out