The Crosstown shootout in Cincinnati is tonight and the question has come up that Xavier even with it's unadulterated(or so I'm told) hatred of UC basketball is allowed to root for UC in football. Do you not hate the school in it's entirety and not cherry pick certain sports?
With the cross state shootout behind us I pose the question do we root for Wisky football? Does St Joe's root for Villanova football?
Am I off base about this?
I don't see why not. Tom Crean and Barry Alvarez got along famously.
A good week in college football includes UW@Madison and Notre Dame losing.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 13, 2009, 12:46:31 PM
A good week in college football includes UW@Madison and Notre Dame losing.
Amen brother.
I would root for the Taliban against UW in any sport.
Can you root for Wisconsin football?
No
Not anymore. Once upon a time, to me they were a complete non-entity. And I still have no real animosity toward the team. Their fans actions are the source of my antipathy toward the team. Unwarranted arrogance offends me. This is why I am enjoying the struggles of Michigan and Notre Dame so much. Arrogant douches getting their comeuppance pleases me. So, no, never again shall I root for a UW anything.
Quote from: ecompt on December 13, 2009, 01:18:31 PM
I would root for the Taliban against UW in any sport.
You are not one of those who compares certain others to Hitler or describes people of certain political stripes at Nazis or socialists, are you?
Your comment -- "I would root for the Taliban against UW in any sport." -- has left me wondering.
You can't root for UW in any sport. You can't wear red. You can't name your dog Bo, unless he has fleas.
Grew up rooting for them in football. Still do. Will probably go to their bowl game because I'll be in the area. Graduated from MU. Obviously, I'm in the minority and not a true MU fan.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on December 13, 2009, 02:01:01 PM
Grew up rooting for them in football. Still do. Will probably go to their bowl game because I'll be in the area. Graduated from MU. Obviously, I'm in the minority and not a true MU fan.
Just as long as you realize that. Half the battle. :P
My hatred for UW basketball has tainted my perception of all things red. As a result, I have no allegiances in college FB. Wisconsin football means no more to me than does any other school.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 13, 2009, 01:47:32 PM
You can't root for UW in any sport. You can't wear red. You can't name your dog Bo, unless he has fleas.
+1, I only own one piece of red clothing and this is only because I have a red shirt I have to wear at trade shows.
Quote from: tower912 on December 13, 2009, 01:37:32 PM
Not anymore. Once upon a time, to me they were a complete non-entity. And I still have no real animosity toward the team. Their fans actions are the source of my antipathy toward the team. Unwarranted arrogance offends me. This is why I am enjoying the struggles of Michigan and Notre Dame so much. Arrogant douches getting their comeuppance pleases me. So, no, never again shall I root for a UW anything.
The thing is, Wisconsin fans think that they are in the same league as historically great teams like Michigan and Notre Dame. At least Michigan and Notre Dame fans have something that they can point to as a time when their schools were good. Wisconsin football is not even in the ballpark of being an elite football program and their fans embarrass themselves thinking that they are. The perception that they have of their school's reputation academically and athletically is a joke. My roomate is from California and since he has moved to the midwest has noticed that Wisconsin alums are the most unfoundedly arrogant public school alums he has ever seen.
No
Quote from: tower912 on December 13, 2009, 01:37:32 PM
Unwarranted arrogance offends me. This is why I am enjoying the struggles of Michigan so much. Arrogant douches getting their comeuppance pleases me.
Uh, not all of us Michigan alums are "arrogant douches..."
Better dead than red knows no bounds. Plus, the success of the football team can only help the basketball team through more AD revenue, etc.
Yes. Hockey too. Don't see it as an issue. As for additional revenue, Why not really make a point and stop paying your taxes.
No way. Not sure how someone could even say they hate UW basketball if they like the football team. Maybe indifference would be the worst.
Quote from: tower912 on December 13, 2009, 01:37:32 PM
Unwarranted arrogance offends me. This is why I am enjoying the struggles of Michigan and Notre Dame so much. Arrogant douches getting their comeuppance pleases me. So, no, never again shall I root for a UW anything.
For football affiliation I'm still hanging in there with Michigan. What is amusing and kind of annoying as a UM football fan (maybe Notre Dame fans find similar feelings with all the hatred/attention paid to a losing team), is that UW, along with four or five another Big Ten teams, pretends that Michigan is its "rival". When you're on campus you can see they get more excited to play Michigan than anyone else despite being just another Big Ten opponent to Michigan. Kind of sad when the fans of a team like Iowa rush the field after squeaking by a bad team they should have beaten by four touchdowns, and MSU fans who seem to think their season was a success at 6-6 despite the preason expectation of competing for a BCS game just because they won their Super Bowl against UM. So as far as the unwarranted arrogance, there definitely is some, but it's annoying to be labeled an arrogant fan because you don't see your team as a "rival" to teams not named Ohio State.
Quote from: chapman on December 13, 2009, 03:18:26 PM
No way. Not sure how someone could even say they hate UW basketball if they like the football team. Maybe indifference would be the worst.
For football affiliation I'm still hanging in there with Michigan. What is amusing and kind of annoying as a UM football fan (maybe Notre Dame fans find similar feelings with all the hatred/attention paid to a losing team), is that UW, along with four or five another Big Ten teams, pretends that Michigan is its "rival". When you're on campus you can see they get more excited to play Michigan than anyone else despite being just another Big Ten opponent to Michigan. Kind of sad when the fans of a team like Iowa rush the field after squeaking by a bad team they should have beaten by four touchdowns, and MSU fans who seem to think their season was a success at 6-6 despite the preason expectation of competing for a BCS game just because they won their Super Bowl against UM. So as far as the unwarranted arrogance, there definitely is some, but it's annoying to be labeled an arrogant fan because you don't see your team as a "rival" to teams not named Ohio State.
Michigan fans are actually some of the best fans in the country. They love their football team. I have never felt like anyone from Michigan was an arrogant douche about their team.
Unlike the middle level Big Ten teams, Michigan (unlike UW) actually has a standard to be proud of and can point to a time in the last 15 years when they were actually national champions. They have one of the best football programs of all time, and the middle tier Big Ten schools should be proud to beat them. Since MU does not have a team, I have sort of adopted Iowa as my team because I like the way they play. I know a lot of people from Iowa, and they never talk about Michigan being a rival. They do, however, rush the field for every single win that they get, even Illinois.
Speaking of Iowa though, I have a friend who went to Iowa and worked with a UW alum. This UW alum talked about their football team as in the elite of the Big Ten as compared to Iowa. In reality, both are in the same league and if I was picking a program, I would probably give the edge to Iowa. So their unfounded arrogance is not just for when they play MU in basketball.
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i hate college football, but i don't like UW winning for one reason: more $ into their athletic department.
Yes both Badgers & Irish in Football!!!
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on December 13, 2009, 02:01:01 PM
Grew up rooting for them in football. Still do. Will probably go to their bowl game because I'll be in the area. Graduated from MU. Obviously, I'm in the minority and not a true MU fan.
Ditto.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on December 13, 2009, 02:13:16 PM
The thing is, Wisconsin fans think that they are in the same league as historically great teams like Michigan and Notre Dame.
No they don't. Not even close.
No.
Quote from: connie on December 13, 2009, 02:44:18 PM
Yes. Hockey too. Don't see it as an issue. As for additional revenue, Why not really make a point and stop paying your taxes.
Some of us don't pay taxes in WI other than sales tax. As someone from a state with no DI football (so I don't have "a team" to root for," it would have been easy to adopt UW football. I just don't see how people can say their least favorite basketball team is Madison and then go to Camp Randall dressed in that disgusting red with Bucky tattoos on their face.
Quote from: akmarq on December 13, 2009, 05:25:44 PM
Some of us don't pay taxes in WI other than sales tax. As someone from a state with no DI football (so I don't have "a team" to root for," it would have been easy to adopt UW football. I just don't see how people can say their least favorite basketball team is Madison and then go to Camp Randall dressed in that disgusting red with Bucky tattoos on their face.
This, I think, Pretty much sums it up for me.
U of M used to be my least favorite B10 team strictly because of their fans. They have recently been humbled and are more livable, so I have actually stopped actively rooting against my home state team again. I completely agree with the statement that at least ND and UM have accomplished something historically, as opposed to the nouveau riche UW programs. In my formative years, Bucky was just trying to finish ahead of Northwestern. Now, I have nothing but contempt for their fanbase.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on December 13, 2009, 02:13:16 PM
The thing is, Wisconsin fans think that they are in the same league as historically great teams like Michigan and Notre Dame. At least Michigan and Notre Dame fans have something that they can point to as a time when their schools were good. Wisconsin football is not even in the ballpark of being an elite football program and their fans embarrass themselves thinking that they are. The perception that they have of their school's reputation academically and athletically is a joke. My roomate is from California and since he has moved to the midwest has noticed that Wisconsin alums are the most unfoundedly arrogant public school alums he has ever seen.
Speaking as a Michigan alum I will say that Michigan's athletic heritage and academic standing far, far surpass that of the Wisconsin State University - Madison. There is no comparison on either score.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on December 13, 2009, 03:31:04 PM
They (Michigan) have one of the best football programs of all time, and the middle tier Big Ten schools should be proud to beat them.
Hoops, not to be an arrogant douche but UofM does not have "one of the best" programs of all time. UofM has THE best football program of all time. I know Jerry Ford is up there awaiting the return to glory.
Quote from: warthog-driver on December 13, 2009, 06:46:21 PM
Hoops, not to be an arrogant douche but UofM does not have "one of the best" programs of all time. UofM has THE best football program of all time. I know Jerry Ford is up there awaiting the return to glory.
Get over yourself. I hate Notre Dame, but their history is greater than Michigan's.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 13, 2009, 06:49:53 PM
Get over yourself. I hate Notre Dame, but their history is greater than Michigan's.
Yea, you're right. Notre Dame's "history is greater than Michigan's." Let me ask - did you graduate from Notre Dame? You must be an alum because you sure sound like one. All time leaders in CF victories:
Rank Team
Won Lost Tied W%
1 Michigan 872 295 36 .740
2 Notre Dame 831 284 42 .736
3 Texas 832 317 33 .718
4 Oklahoma 791 297 53 .716
5 Ohio State 808 306 53 .715
6 Alabama 799 316 43 .709
7 USC 766 303 54 .706
bob and brian did a good bit (even if it was pro-uw) about the "Curse of Bo Schembechler". basically it boiled down to the premise that the only reason Michigan was ever good was because Schembechler sold his soul to satan, and once he died it was time for Michigan to pay up.
Personally I like Michigan (as much as I like any college football team) because Charles Woodson came from there.
Way to go, Warthog. The years of attempting to get over my dislike, of even beginning to not feel hostile towards the Wolverines.....one guy, a few posts, and I am right back where I was. Thank you for restoring order to my universe.
I'm going to side w/ Warthog. 1. That chart kind of speaks for itself. 2. Nobody likes ND anyway so I'm down w/ a little ND-bashing.
Quote from: warthog-driver on December 13, 2009, 07:10:11 PM
Yea, you're right. Notre Dame's "history is greater than Michigan's." Let me ask - did you graduate from Notre Dame? You must be an alum because you sure sound like one. All time leaders in CF victories:
Rank Team
Won Lost Tied W%
1 Michigan 872 295 36 .740
2 Notre Dame 831 284 42 .736
3 Texas 832 317 33 .718
4 Oklahoma 791 297 53 .716
5 Ohio State 808 306 53 .715
6 Alabama 799 316 43 .709
7 USC 766 303 54 .706
Didn't go to Notre Dame, but they have more championships. I saw enough inferior Michigan teams get their butts handed to them in the Rose Bowl for me to seriously think that they are the top program of all time.
Quote from: lawwarrior12 on December 13, 2009, 07:11:29 PM
Personally I like Michigan (as much as I like any college football team) because Charles Woodson came from there.
+1. And don't forget Chuck's fellow Michigan alum, Heisman winner and Super Bowl XXXI MVP Desmond Howard.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 13, 2009, 08:54:47 PM
Didn't go to Notre Dame, but they have more championships. I saw enough inferior Michigan teams get their butts handed to them in the Rose Bowl for me to seriously think that they are the top program of all time.
Ummm...no.
If you use the criteria that any organization in a particular year granted them the title of National Champion, Michigan has one more(22 to 21).
If you go by what each of the schools claim as official championships, they are tied at 11.
The only way Notre Dame has more is if you decide to redefine the "modern" era.
I wouldn't cheer for Madison in anything ever. Period. They are our rivals and want to see them lose in everything they try to do.
The only thing I liked about Tom Crean was that he kept the rivalry a hated rivalry. I don't like the "friendship" Buzz and Bo have.....would rather it be cut throat. Just my opinion tho.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 13, 2009, 01:47:32 PM
You can't root for UW in any sport. You can't wear red. You can't name your dog Bo, unless he has fleas.
+1
I can't root for any Televen team in any sport except for Northwestern. Though I will root for any team over Indiana
I have multiple reasons to root for Northwestern, second only to Marquette, and number one is its' similarity to Marquette. About same enrollment, private, historic, and so on. I thrill to Northwestern besting UW at Madison often, of late, and hope to God that it continues! My third favorite team is whomever is playing Madison. So, the answer is NO.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on December 13, 2009, 02:13:16 PM
The thing is, Wisconsin fans think that they are in the same league as historically great teams like Michigan and Notre Dame. At least Michigan and Notre Dame fans have something that they can point to as a time when their schools were good. Wisconsin football is not even in the ballpark of being an elite football program and their fans embarrass themselves thinking that they are. The perception that they have of their school's reputation academically and athletically is a joke. My roomate is from California and since he has moved to the midwest has noticed that Wisconsin alums are the most unfoundedly arrogant public school alums he has ever seen.
Couldn't have been better stated Hoops!
Quote from: bma725 on December 13, 2009, 09:41:25 PM
Ummm...no.
If you use the criteria that any organization in a particular year granted them the title of National Champion, Michigan has one more(22 to 21).
If you go by what each of the schools claim as official championships, they are tied at 11.
The only way Notre Dame has more is if you decide to redefine the "modern" era.
Well, then I am wrong. Add it to the list... :)
Quote from: warrior55 on December 13, 2009, 09:50:50 PM
I wouldn't cheer for Madison in anything ever. Period. They are our rivals and want to see them lose in everything they try to do.
The only thing I liked about Tom Crean was that he kept the rivalry a hated rivalry. I don't like the "friendship" Buzz and Bo have.....would rather it be cut throat. Just my opinion tho.
C'mon....this is just silly. Why people work up such animosity over a sports rival and their fans is just dumb.
And God forbid that the coaches like one another. What did you think when Lazar went over and gave Bo a hug before the opening tip? Do you think he's a trader and intentionally had a poor first half???
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 14, 2009, 08:12:21 AM
C'mon....this is just silly. Why people work up such animosity over a sports rival and their fans is just dumb.
And God forbid that the coaches like one another. What did you think when Lazar went over and gave Bo a hug before the opening tip? Do you think he's a trader and intentionally had a poor first half???
Asking sports fan(atic)s to act rational is a bit much.
Quote from: tower912 on December 13, 2009, 07:26:44 PM
Way to go, Warthog. The years of attempting to get over my dislike, of even beginning to not feel hostile towards the Wolverines.....one guy, a few posts, and I am right back where I was. Thank you for restoring order to my universe.
Tower
I remember being awestruck the first time I entered Michigan Stadium on a gameday. Ann Arbor on a college football Saturday is a special place. The difference between AA and Madison is that Madison has a much higher percentage of drunken buffoons for whom that state of being is THE reason for being there. Some UofM alums can be jerks but the majority take it for what it's worth, a great diversion from life's travails. If anyone has ever been on the fence about Michigan football I would say the Fight Song and the helmets are force multiplying difference makers. If you've never been to a UofM home game I would strongly encourage it.
One note on Michigan fans: Back in the Bo era, Bo said in a presser that, "We looked like Slippery Rock out there!" That comment PO'd the AD at Slippery Rock. Solution: Michigan invited Slippery Rock to host a home game at Michigan Stadium, free of charge. For years SR played Shippensburg State in Ann Arbor (an incredible economic windfall for both those schools.) My point, though, is about the Michigan student body - we adopted Slippery Rock as our own. There would be 70-80,000 people in the stands cheering for SR. Both PA schools would bus in thousands for the game and Michigan students would mix right in; it was a great weekend. I used to own a SR t-shirt - they were sold at Ulrich's and the Wolverine Den.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 13, 2009, 08:54:47 PM
Didn't go to Notre Dame, but they have more championships. I saw enough inferior Michigan teams get their butts handed to them in the Rose Bowl for me to seriously think that they are the top program of all time.
Sultan
Popular t-shirt in Ann Arbor read, "Hire Linda Lovelace...She doesn't choke on the Big One!"
I have been through a lot of dismal New Year's in my time...a lot of dismal New Year's
Quote from: HoopsMalone on December 13, 2009, 02:13:16 PM
The thing is, Wisconsin fans think that they are in the same league as historically great teams like Michigan and Notre Dame. At least Michigan and Notre Dame fans have something that they can point to as a time when their schools were good. Wisconsin football is not even in the ballpark of being an elite football program and their fans embarrass themselves thinking that they are. The perception that they have of their school's reputation academically and athletically is a joke. My roomate is from California and since he has moved to the midwest has noticed that Wisconsin alums are the most unfoundedly arrogant public school alums he has ever seen.
Almost the most arrogant. UW still takes a back seat to UNC and Kentucky as both alum bases are truly insufferable.
Quote from: Nukem2 on December 14, 2009, 09:24:17 AM
Almost the most arrogant. UW still takes a back seat to UNC and Kentucky as both alum bases are truly insufferable.
Don't forget Duke
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Quote from: warrior55 on December 13, 2009, 09:50:50 PM
I wouldn't cheer for Madison in anything ever. Period. They are our rivals and want to see them lose in everything they try to do.
The only thing I liked about Tom Crean was that he kept the rivalry a hated rivalry. I don't like the "friendship" Buzz and Bo have.....would rather it be cut throat. Just my opinion tho.
C'mon....this is just silly. Why people work up such animosity over a sports rival and their fans is just dumb.
And God forbid that the coaches like one another. What did you think when Lazar went over and gave Bo a hug before the opening tip? Do you think he's a trader and intentionally had a poor first half???
Your trader (traitor) comment is what's silly! Wrong word and dumb analysis. There is a difference between having respect for your opponent, which Lazar showed, and still wanting to kick the living snot out of them every chance you get. Maybe I am old school, but you don't invite the enemy anywhere near you. It is just dumb for people to cheer for part of a school. Imagine if Duke did not have football, do you think Duke would cheer for UNC's football team because they didn't have one, I doubt it. If your a true Marquette fan, you hate Wisconsin, simple.
Quote from: warrior55 on December 14, 2009, 09:41:11 AM
Your trader (traitor) comment is what's silly! Wrong word and dumb analysis. There is a difference between having respect for your opponent, which Lazar showed, and still wanting to kick the living snot out of them every chance you get. Maybe I am old school, but you don't invite the enemy anywhere near you. It is just dumb for people to cheer for part of a school. Imagine if Duke did not have football, do you think Duke would cheer for UNC's football team because they didn't have one, I doubt it. If your a true Marquette fan, you hate Wisconsin, simple.
Thanks for pointing out my spelling error...dumb on my part.
You may call it "dumb" to root for part of a school, but I grew up in Madison going to UW football and hockey games as a kid. (Only went to one UW basketball game...and they got crushed. Nobody went to basketball games then.) When I went to MU, it was pretty easy for me to continue to root for UW in football and hockey but be completely loyal to MU in basketball. It remains pretty easy for me to do so even now. So I don't root for UW in football only because MU doesn't have a team - it is what I grew up doing.
And I will never view any sports rival as an "enemy." It's just sports. That's all.
Quote from: warthog-driver on December 14, 2009, 09:29:38 AM
Don't forget Duke
Did not forget about the Dookies. I was responding to a post that was referencing alums of public universities. If you include private schools, Duke alums easily take the cake. Beyond insufferable.
Quote from: Nukem2 on December 14, 2009, 10:03:07 AM
Did not forget about the Dookies. I was responding to a post that was referencing alums of public universities. If you include private schools, Duke alums easily take the cake. Beyond insufferable.
Roger insufferable. From that perspective I somehow actually commiserate with Tar Heels...to a point.
I love Wisconsin football. If you don't cheer for them and live in Wisconsin which team do you cheer for Illinois?, MI, MN. ? I would much rather support my state than another and not to support a team is not to support college football. My Dad went to Wis and my mom went to Marquette as did I. I went to school in Milwaukee and many of my good high school friends went to Wisconsin and we had great times at Badger games football and basketball. Some of the fellows that played with me on the State championship team went and started at MU and other went and started at Wisconsin. We all cheered for each other except when we played against each other.
I don't know that a strong rivalry means you shouldn't like them after the game. I go out with my Wisconsin buddies after the games win or lose and the winner has bragging rights which is lots of fun. Can't imagine not supporting my friends and enjoying watching their sports. One of my sons is like me. The other is a huge UW football fan and hates them in basketball no matter what because is that strong an MU fan. I agree that Duke and UNC can never like each other but it seems to me that in Wisconsin, both fan bases can have a beer together and give the loser S**t
Quote from: 77champs on December 14, 2009, 10:30:16 AM
I love Wisconsin football. If you don't cheer for them and live in Wisconsin which team do you cheer for Illinois?, MI, MN. ? I would much rather support my state than another and not to support a team is not to support college football.
That's not rooting for the state. That's rooting for the state university. Big difference there.
Quote from: 77champs on December 14, 2009, 10:30:16 AM
My Dad went to Wis and my mom went to Marquette as did I.
This is a great point.
If a parent goes to a school, usually the kids are going to be inundated with that school (and rightfully so).
Is a kid supposed to grow up wearing UW stuff and going to UW games, and then suddenly hate UW when he/she goes to MU?
I don't know if it can work like that.
Well then I guess I must be in the minority then, and I am fine with admitting it if I am. I just thought rivals are rivals. When it comes to Madison and Notre Dame, I do not want them to win anything ever. I cheer for whoever they are playing in any sport weekly. I would probably cheer for (gasp) Indiana when they play Wisconsin. But like I said, I must be the minority.
Quote from: 77champs on December 14, 2009, 10:30:16 AM
If you don't cheer for them and live in Wisconsin which team do you cheer for Illinois?, MI, MN. ? I would much rather support my state than another and not to support a team is not to support college football.
None. That's what happens when you go to a non-football school. If being able to root for a college football team is that important, then go to a school with a football team.
This isn't the pros where the team represents the city or state, as much as UW fans would like you to believe it is. UW-Madison football isn't Madison's team, or central Wisconsin's team, or the state's team. It's the college's team. That's it, nothing more.
College sports is about supporting the school you went to, where you made your memories, where you and your classmates went to games, where you had classes with the players, where you had perhaps the best 4 years of your life. It has nothing to do with state allegiance.
Supporting another school is akin to taking dollars out of your alma mater's pockets.
Quote from: warrior55 on December 14, 2009, 10:42:26 AM
Well then I guess I must be in the minority then, and I am fine with admitting it if I am. I just thought rivals are rivals. When it comes to Madison and Notre Dame, I do not want them to win anything ever. I cheer for whoever they are playing in any sport weekly. I would probably cheer for (gasp) Indiana when they play Wisconsin. But like I said, I must be the minority.
Amen...though I'd probably add Louisville to that list as well.
Quote from: 2002mualum on December 14, 2009, 10:42:19 AM
Is a kid supposed to grow up wearing UW stuff and going to UW games, and then suddenly hate UW when he/she goes to MU?
Yes
Quote from: 77champs on December 14, 2009, 10:30:16 AM
If you don't cheer for them and live in Wisconsin which team do you cheer for Illinois?,
I adopted Nebraska, two of my best friends I met in college grew up in Omaha, and why be insufferable toward them when you can just join in. Lets go blackshirts!
Quote from: warthog-driver on December 14, 2009, 10:52:02 AM
Yes
Fair enough.
I'd say in basketball, yes, MU would have to become the favorite team.
In football, I'd say the water is murky for me, and I HATE the Badgers.
If a kid grows up going to Badger games and has a strong allegiance to the school (parents/family alumni), it would be pretty tough to ask an 18 year old kid to just start hating Badger football when MU doesn't have a team.
I'm not saying the kid has to run around campus celebrating everything the Badgers do, I'm just saying I'm not going to bitch at the kid for enjoying his family traditions.
Now, if the kid is just a sheep, and has no real ties to the school (no family alumni, no tradition).. then I think it's bush.
Quote from: 2002mualum on December 14, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
Fair enough.
I'd say in basketball, yes, MU would have to become the favorite team.
In football, I'd say the water is murky for me, and I HATE the Badgers.
If a kid grows up going to Badger games and has a strong allegiance to the school (parents/family alumni), it would be pretty tough to ask an 18 year old kid to just start hating Badger football when MU doesn't have a team.
I'm not saying the kid has to run around campus celebrating everything the Badgers do, I'm just saying I'm not going to bitch at the kid for enjoying his family traditions.
Now, if the kid is just a sheep, and has no real ties to the school (no family alumni, no tradition).. then I think it's bush.
Your callsign suggests you are too young to have had Logic with Fr Davitt. Fr Davitt would stop the syllogism at Wisconsin. Qualifying it with Wisconsin Football or Wisconsin Curling debases the argument. Wisconsin is Wisconsin, in all of its evil forms.
Quote from: 2002mualum on December 14, 2009, 10:42:19 AM
This is a great point.
If a parent goes to a school, usually the kids are going to be inundated with that school (and rightfully so).
Is a kid supposed to grow up wearing UW stuff and going to UW games, and then suddenly hate UW when he/she goes to MU?
I don't know if it can work like that.
My friend's (who transfered from MU last year) dad went to USNA and both his parents were in the Navy. My dad went to USMA and both my parents were in the Army. I have cheered for Army football my whole life (PM with with your condolences) and continue to do so. Last year, we smacked talked about the Army-Navy game the whole week. My buddy transfered to USMA last year and has renounced his Navy fanhood. Army-Navy is one of THE best rivalries in sports. If he can give up Navy, then people should def. be able to give up Wisco.
Besides, at least Navy is a admirable team to root for. Not like those rodent, commie Badgers.
Quote from: akmarq on December 14, 2009, 11:10:01 AM
Not like those rodent, commie Badgers.
This is an important point. The People's Democratic Republic of Madison along with Pyongyang and Havana is one of the last bastions of Communism today. They wear Red after all.
Quote from: warthog-driver on December 14, 2009, 11:08:10 AM
Your callsign suggests you are too young to have had Logic with Fr Davitt. Fr Davitt would stop the syllogism at Wisconsin. Qualifying it with Wisconsin Football or Wisconsin Curling debases the argument. Wisconsin is Wisconsin, in all of its evil forms.
Hey, I hear what you are saying, and I HATE UW.
I'm just trying to personalize it:
When I have kids, they will be MU fans. They will come to games, wear the gear, watch the games on TV.
When they chose a college, they will ultimately become fans of that college's team. I totally get that.
HOWEVER, if they go to a school that doesn't even have D1 basketball, it would be weird for them to renounce their fandom for basically nothing.
No more going to MU games? No more traveling to the Big East tournament? Burn all of their MU gear? For what? So they can root for a school that doesn't even offer basketball?
Seems weird.
Quote from: 2002mualum on December 14, 2009, 11:22:28 AM
Hey, I hear what you are saying, and I HATE UW.
I'm just trying to personalize it:
When I have kids, they will be MU fans. They will come to games, wear the gear, watch the games on TV.
When they chose a college, they will ultimately become fans of that college's team. I totally get that.
HOWEVER, if they go to a school that doesn't even have D1 basketball, it would be weird for them to renounce their fandom for basically nothing.
No more going to MU games? No more traveling to the Big East tournament? Burn all of their MU gear? For what? So they can root for a school that doesn't even offer basketball?
Seems weird.
Not the same...if their school doesn't have basketball but is MU's rival in some other sport (not that this could happen...) THEN your comparison is accurate.
This isn't about just continuing to cheer for your parents' team, it's about cheering for your parents' football team when that school is your schools biggest rival in basketball.
For example: no one is saying it's not okay to cheer for, say, U of Oregon football (and basketball for that matter) if you go to MU. I still cheer for Gonzaga basketball even though I go to MU (though next year if they meet at the CBE you can bet I'm cheering for MU)
In other news...one of my friends is from Connecticut and STILL cheers for UConn basketball. He rooted AGAINST Marquette in that game last year. Truly deplorable.
Quote from: 2002mualum on December 14, 2009, 11:22:28 AM
Hey, I hear what you are saying, and I HATE UW.
I'm just trying to personalize it:
When I have kids, they will be MU fans. They will come to games, wear the gear, watch the games on TV.
When they chose a college, they will ultimately become fans of that college's team. I totally get that.
HOWEVER, if they go to a school that doesn't even have D1 basketball, it would be weird for them to renounce their fandom for basically nothing.
No more going to MU games? No more traveling to the Big East tournament? Burn all of their MU gear? For what? So they can root for a school that doesn't even offer basketball?
Seems weird.
Our kids turned their back on MU. We have one at Middlebury and one at Washington State (he's on the football team as a walk-on.) Both grew up cheering for MU basketball but now neither follows the team. While painful to me I understand that in their busy lives it is too much to ask them to keep up to speed with MU hoops. I am a big Michigan football fan having gone to school there. My son is on the team at Wazzou. I still root for Michigan but obviously follow Wazzou. If they meet up someday in a bowl (hardly likely this year!!) I am not certain who I would cheer for but I am inclined to say Wazzou as blood is thicker than water.
You can, but I wouldn't recommend it.
It is easier to hate them in December if you start in September.
MU BB
Sconnie Football and Hockey
Simple. Go Warriors!
Quote from: akmarq on December 14, 2009, 11:28:32 AM
Not the same...if their school doesn't have basketball but is MU's rival in some other sport (not that this could happen...) THEN your comparison is accurate.
This isn't about just continuing to cheer for your parents' team, it's about cheering for your parents' football team when that school is your schools biggest rival in basketball.
For example: no one is saying it's not okay to cheer for, say, U of Oregon football (and basketball for that matter) if you go to MU. I still cheer for Gonzaga basketball even though I go to MU (though next year if they meet at the CBE you can bet I'm cheering for MU)
In other news...one of my friends is from Connecticut and STILL cheers for UConn basketball. He rooted AGAINST Marquette in that game last year. Truly deplorable.
You're right, it's not an entirely accurate comparison, but I'm just trying to personalize it before I go blasting somebody.
Also, you're line above is the exact scenario I'm talking about, the school colors have just changed.
I'll say it again, I hate UW and all of the stupid lemmings who blindly root for the school even though they went to UW-Stout. I get it. I hate them too guys.
But, I can't blame a MU kid for having an affinity for UW football and/or hockey if he was brought up in that culture (UW alumni in the family, season tickets, road trips, etc.).
I'm not saying that he can fly a UW flag at his house in Milwaukee, I'm just saying it would be hard for me to tell the kid he can't go to UW football games with his family anymore. He has to sit in Milwaukee and watch other football games on TV because he goes to MU? I dunno...
Quote from: warthog-driver on December 14, 2009, 11:28:49 AM
Our kids turned their back on MU. We have one at Middlebury and one at Washington State (he's on the football team as a walk-on.)
Ouch. Man you gotta hand it to the kid. Playing for WSU and not getting a scholarship to do so...
Quote from: 2002mualum on December 14, 2009, 11:44:24 AM
I'm not saying that he can fly a UW flag at his house in Milwaukee, I'm just saying it would be hard for me to tell the kid he can't go to UW football games with his family anymore. He has to sit in Milwaukee and watch other football games on TV because he goes to MU? I dunno...
He'll sit there. Quietly. And he'll like it
MU-Madison is just a particularly strange case because they are two heated basketball rivals where MU doesn't have a football team and Madison is the major football program in the state. I can't think of many other schools who fall into that category. You bring up a good point though about the way the Badgers seem to claim fans from every UW school in the state. Are there other state schools that do this? As an out of stater it's always seemed slightly creepy the way everyone in WI clings to the Badgers regardless of what college they went to.
As I'm writing this email, I'm wearing a white long sleeve Bucky Badger Wisconsin shirt under my Marquette zipper hoody... I root for N.D. and Wisconsin football.
Quote from: 77champs on December 14, 2009, 10:30:16 AM
I love Wisconsin football. If you don't cheer for them and live in Wisconsin which team do you cheer for Illinois?, MI, MN. ? I would much rather support my state than another and not to support a team is not to support college football. My Dad went to Wis and my mom went to Marquette as did I. I went to school in Milwaukee and many of my good high school friends went to Wisconsin and we had great times at Badger games football and basketball. Some of the fellows that played with me on the State championship team went and started at MU and other went and started at Wisconsin. We all cheered for each other except when we played against each other.
I don't know that a strong rivalry means you shouldn't like them after the game. I go out with my Wisconsin buddies after the games win or lose and the winner has bragging rights which is lots of fun. Can't imagine not supporting my friends and enjoying watching their sports. One of my sons is like me. The other is a huge UW football fan and hates them in basketball no matter what because is that strong an MU fan. I agree that Duke and UNC can never like each other but it seems to me that in Wisconsin, both fan bases can have a beer together and give the loser S**t
I live in Illinois. I'd rather die than cheer for that team that wears orange. I adopted LSU as my football team about 8 years ago after having a wonderful experience at a game down there. There are very few more excruciatingly boring things to watch than Big Televen athletics
Quote from: akmarq on December 14, 2009, 11:57:22 AM
He'll sit there. Quietly. And he'll like it
Are there other state schools that do this? As an out of stater it's always seemed slightly creepy the way everyone in WI clings to the Badgers regardless of what college they went to.
Yes. My understanding is that there are many fans of programs...such as Nebraska, Oklahoma and many of the SEC schools, where their fan-base goes well beyond their alumni.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 14, 2009, 12:06:21 PM
Yes. My understanding is that there are many fans of programs...such as Nebraska, Oklahoma and many of the SEC schools, where their fan-base goes well beyond their alumni.
Good point on Nebraska. I would think that OU would be somewhat diluted by OSU's recent success but your point on the SEC is also probably largely correct (with the exception of FL and maybe Ole Miss v. MSU)
I guess it just seems weird to me to identify that strongly with a school you've never attended, but that's what you get for living closer to Canada than the rest of the US.
Quote from: akmarq on December 14, 2009, 11:57:22 AM
He'll sit there. Quietly. And he'll like it
MU-Madison is just a particularly strange case because they are two heated basketball rivals where MU doesn't have a football team and Madison is the major football program in the state. I can't think of many other schools who fall into that category.
Zags - U Dub. I asked a couple Zags if they root for the Dawgs football team and the answer was HELL NO!
Quote from: 2002mualum on December 14, 2009, 11:44:24 AM
they went to UW-Stout
I was in ASMU and I went to a convention for members of student govt in WI and MN. There was a party at the hotel we were all staying and I remember speaking with a guy who was from UW-Stout. He told us he was majoring in "Welding Technology." I was dumbfounded that this was a legitimate major but he wasn't BSing - evidently they have an industrial arts degree and Welding Technology is a major there.
That's because no one who doesn't have to roots for the UW football team...0-11 will drive off a lot of fans.
My friends at 'Zaga (great school that doesn't get enough credit as an awesome place to watch basketball) don't seem to really care a WHOLE lot about football. I would say that Big 11 football following is stronger that most Pac-10 schools (USC the obvious exception). Also, in Washington there is a pretty good split between UW and WSU. With Gonzaga being on the E. half of the state, I would venture that the Cougars have a better following.
Quote from: TomW1365 on December 14, 2009, 12:00:25 PM
I root for N.D. and Wisconsin football.
When Syracuse beat Notre Dame a few years ago in football, Caffrey's had SportsCenter on and when highlights of the game were shown the entire bar (aside from 3 or 4 ND fans) erupted into a "F*ck the Irish" chant. It was beautiful.
Quote from: akmarq on December 14, 2009, 11:57:22 AM
He'll sit there. Quietly. And he'll like it
MU-Madison is just a particularly strange case because they are two heated basketball rivals where MU doesn't have a football team and Madison is the major football program in the state. I can't think of many other schools who fall into that category. You bring up a good point though about the way the Badgers seem to claim fans from every UW school in the state. Are there other state schools that do this? As an out of stater it's always seemed slightly creepy the way everyone in WI clings to the Badgers regardless of what college they went to.
It's just the lack of options. No other DI football team in the state. The people who went there can root for UW-River Falls or UW-Steven's Point, but they can't even get a game on the radio much less TV if they move to a different part of the state, and it's hard to be much of a DIII football fan. The whole state kind of gets behind UW-Whitewater the one time they see them on TV each year (fifth year in a row...lame!) for the DIII title game in which they lose to Mount Union, but that's it and it's still DIII. If it was like Michigan where you have UM, MSU, Eastern/Western/Central, and in the lower divisions GVSU/Northern/Ferris instead of 20 small time UW-insertname schools there's a healthy split between UM and MSU with plenty of alumni of the other schools who can be proud of their school because the team wouldn't get beat by a lot of high school teams. In Wisconsin you're left with a monopoly and UW-Madison has to love it...even though UW-Shorewood is the size of the directional Michigan schools they don't even have a football team much less a competitive DI team.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 14, 2009, 11:55:01 AM
Ouch. Man you gotta hand it to the kid. Playing for WSU and not getting a scholarship to do so...
He played for Issaquah HS and they are a perrenial power here in WA State. A couple of the guys from Issaquah got invited to walk-on, our son included. He got into MU, Gonzaga, Middlebury (his Mom's alma mater,) Pomona, and Oregon but he took the Wazzou gig. He's majoring in their sports med program which is to become a Bob Weingart (I understand they spend a lot of time learning to properly tape with ace wraps, the benefits of a robust listerine gargle, and increased flexibility from ballet.)
As for this season, he's only suited up a couple times, never on the road. I told him last spring, when he was making his decision, that he needed to be realistic about being a part of the Wazzou team. I told him it would be at least one year of being a tackling dummy on the p-field and that is exactly what has transpired. As a freshman walk-on he is certainly at the bottom of the food chain but, as he likes to point out, he part of the team. I knew he had a good head on his shoulders when, as a junior right guard in HS, he had a spectacular pancake of a guy on a play. I mentioned this afterward and he thought about it and replied, that wasn't such a big deal. I asked why and he said, "we only got a couple yards on the play." Team player and a great kid.
Wazzou is having a tough go these days but we are hopeful Coach Wulff will turn it around.
Quote from: chapman on December 14, 2009, 12:28:35 PM
It's just the lack of options. No other DI football team in the state. The people who went there can root for UW-River Falls or UW-Steven's Point, but they can't even get a game on the radio much less TV if they move to a different part of the state, and it's hard to be much of a DIII football fan. The whole state kind of gets behind UW-Whitewater the one time they see them on TV each year (fifth year in a row...lame!) for the DIII title game in which they lose to Mount Union,
Didn't they win one of those?
Quote from: warthog-driver on December 14, 2009, 12:31:33 PM
Wazzou is having a tough go these days but we are hopeful Coach Wulff will turn it around.
+1
Basically my whole extended family went to WSU and my uncle who used to teach at MU (the only reason I applied) now teaches there. I always root for the Cougars.
Awesome. Hope it works out for him.
My friend's brother was a walk on during the Don Morton years in Madison. He was the only walk-on that stuck it out when Barry Alvarez came to campus. He slowly descended down the depth chart as better talent was recruited each year, but stuck it out. During his senior year, Alvarez called him in just before the season and gave him a scholarship. That was the year they won their first Rose Bowl. There is a picture of him on the field with his parents just after the game. His jersey is perfectly clean...but at least he's wearing one!
I'm a south side of Chicago, Cubs fan. Needless to say, I get some sh*t from alot of people. I wouldn't hate the Sox if it weren't for all the annoying idiots that are constantly ridiculing Cubs fans. I think I can borrow that example for this question. Can you root for Wisconsin Football? Yes you can... but it could become very annoying if I lived in Wisconsin and was constantly getting sh*t from Wisconsin fans while rooting for MU. The farther removed you are from the rivalry area, the easier it is to root for anyone you choose.
Quote from: TomW1365 on December 14, 2009, 12:41:50 PM
I'm a south side of Chicago, Cubs fan. Needless to say, I get some sh*t from alot of people. I wouldn't hate the Sox if it weren't for all the annoying idiots that are constantly ridiculing Cubs fans.
I don't like either team...but two years on campus had led me to believe that Sox fans are NOT the ones who should be being called "annoying"
Plus, I'd almost rather have people make fun of me for my sports team than deal with the complete apathy that people have toward the Mariners and AL West in general.
He's a great kid and he loves being on the team and being in Pullman. What I noticed is that when we took him over there in July he immediately had 100 buddies who were going to be there for him. Now, those guys extract their pound of flesh, too, but they have taken him under their wing and made him feel at home.
One observation about WSU, it is a very close knit community and doesn't have that faceless, anonymous feel that you get in a place like Madison or Ann Arbor. The team is struggling but that is a very tight group of guys.