Can you root for Wisconsin football?

[warthog-driver]

Almost the most arrogant.  UW still takes a back seat to UNC and Kentucky as both alum bases are truly insufferable.

Don't forget Duke

[DJO's Pump Fake]

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Quote from: warrior55 on December 13, 2009, 09:50:50 PM
I wouldn't cheer for Madison in anything ever.  Period.  They are our rivals and want to see them lose in everything they try to do.

The only thing I liked about Tom Crean was that he kept the rivalry a hated rivalry.  I don't like the "friendship" Buzz and Bo have.....would rather it be cut throat.  Just my opinion tho.


C'mon....this is just silly.  Why people work up such animosity over a sports rival and their fans is just dumb.

And God forbid that the coaches like one another.  What did you think when Lazar went over and gave Bo a hug before the opening tip?  Do you think he's a trader and intentionally had a poor first half???

Your trader (traitor) comment is what's silly!  Wrong word and dumb analysis.  There is a difference between having respect for your opponent, which Lazar showed, and still wanting to kick the living snot out of them every chance you get.  Maybe I am old school, but you don't invite the enemy anywhere near you.  It is just dumb for people to cheer for part of a school.  Imagine if Duke did not have football, do you think Duke would cheer for UNC's football team because they didn't have one, I doubt it.  If your a true Marquette fan, you hate Wisconsin, simple.

[GGGG]

Your trader (traitor) comment is what's silly!  Wrong word and dumb analysis.  There is a difference between having respect for your opponent, which Lazar showed, and still wanting to kick the living snot out of them every chance you get.  Maybe I am old school, but you don't invite the enemy anywhere near you.  It is just dumb for people to cheer for part of a school.  Imagine if Duke did not have football, do you think Duke would cheer for UNC's football team because they didn't have one, I doubt it.  If your a true Marquette fan, you hate Wisconsin, simple.

Thanks for pointing out my spelling error...dumb on my part.

You may call it "dumb" to root for part of a school, but I grew up in Madison going to UW football and hockey games as a kid.  (Only went to one UW basketball game...and they got crushed.  Nobody went to basketball games then.)  When I went to MU, it was pretty easy for me to continue to root for UW in football and hockey but be completely loyal to MU in basketball.  It remains pretty easy for me to do so even now.  So I don't root for UW in football only because MU doesn't have a team - it is what I grew up doing.

And I will never view any sports rival as an "enemy."  It's just sports.  That's all.

[Nukem2]

Don't forget Duke

Did not forget about the Dookies.  I was responding to a post that was referencing alums of public universities.  If you include private schools, Duke alums easily take the cake.  Beyond insufferable.

[warthog-driver]

Did not forget about the Dookies.  I was responding to a post that was referencing alums of public universities.  If you include private schools, Duke alums easily take the cake.  Beyond insufferable.

Roger insufferable. From that perspective I somehow actually commiserate with Tar Heels...to a point.

[77champs]

I love Wisconsin football.   If you don't cheer for them and live in Wisconsin which team do you cheer for Illinois?, MI, MN. ?  I would much rather support my state than another and not to support a team is not to support college football.   My Dad went to Wis and my mom went to Marquette as did I.   I went to school in Milwaukee and many of my good high school friends went to Wisconsin and we had great times at Badger games football and basketball.   Some of the fellows that played with me on the State championship team went and started at MU and other went and started at Wisconsin.   We all cheered for each other except when we played against each other.

I don't know that a strong rivalry means you shouldn't like them after the game.  I go out with my Wisconsin buddies after the games win or lose and the winner has bragging rights which is lots of fun.   Can't imagine not supporting my friends and enjoying watching their sports.   One of my sons is like me.  The other is a huge UW football fan and hates them in basketball no matter what because is that strong an MU fan.   I agree that Duke and UNC can never like each other but it seems to me that in Wisconsin, both fan bases can have a beer together and give the loser S**t

[MUfan12]

I love Wisconsin football.   If you don't cheer for them and live in Wisconsin which team do you cheer for Illinois?, MI, MN. ?  I would much rather support my state than another and not to support a team is not to support college football. 

That's not rooting for the state. That's rooting for the state university. Big difference there.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

My Dad went to Wis and my mom went to Marquette as did I.   

This is a great point.

If a parent goes to a school, usually the kids are going to be inundated with that school (and rightfully so).

Is a kid supposed to grow up wearing UW stuff and going to UW games, and then suddenly hate UW when he/she goes to MU?

I don't know if it can work like that.

[DJO's Pump Fake]

Well then I guess I must be in the minority then, and I am fine with admitting it if I am.  I just thought rivals are rivals.  When it comes to Madison and Notre Dame, I do not want them to win anything ever.  I cheer for whoever they are playing in any sport weekly.  I would probably cheer for (gasp) Indiana when they play Wisconsin.  But like I said, I must be the minority.

[bma725]

If you don't cheer for them and live in Wisconsin which team do you cheer for Illinois?, MI, MN. ? I would much rather support my state than another and not to support a team is not to support college football.

None.  That's what happens when you go to a non-football school.  If being able to root for a college football team is that important, then go to a school with a football team.

This isn't the pros where the team represents the city or state, as much as UW fans would like you to believe it is.  UW-Madison football isn't Madison's team, or central Wisconsin's team, or the state's team.  It's the college's team.  That's it, nothing more.

College sports is about supporting the school you went to, where you made your memories, where you and your classmates went to games, where you had classes with the players, where you had perhaps the best 4 years of your life.  It has nothing to do with state allegiance.

Supporting another school is akin to taking dollars out of your alma mater's pockets.  

[bma725]

Well then I guess I must be in the minority then, and I am fine with admitting it if I am.  I just thought rivals are rivals.  When it comes to Madison and Notre Dame, I do not want them to win anything ever.  I cheer for whoever they are playing in any sport weekly.  I would probably cheer for (gasp) Indiana when they play Wisconsin.  But like I said, I must be the minority.

Amen...though I'd probably add Louisville to that list as well. 

[warthog-driver]

Is a kid supposed to grow up wearing UW stuff and going to UW games, and then suddenly hate UW when he/she goes to MU?

Yes

[reinko]

If you don't cheer for them and live in Wisconsin which team do you cheer for Illinois?,

I adopted Nebraska, two of my best friends I met in college grew up in Omaha, and why be insufferable toward them when you can just join in.  Lets go blackshirts!

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Yes

Fair enough.

I'd say in basketball, yes, MU would have to become the favorite team.

In football, I'd say the water is murky for me, and I HATE the Badgers.

If a kid grows up going to Badger games and has a strong allegiance to the school (parents/family alumni), it would be pretty tough to ask an 18 year old kid to just start hating Badger football when MU doesn't have a team.

I'm not saying the kid has to run around campus celebrating everything the Badgers do, I'm just saying I'm not going to bitch at the kid for enjoying his family traditions.

Now, if the kid is just a sheep, and has no real ties to the school (no family alumni, no tradition).. then I think it's bush.

[warthog-driver]

Fair enough.

I'd say in basketball, yes, MU would have to become the favorite team.

In football, I'd say the water is murky for me, and I HATE the Badgers.

If a kid grows up going to Badger games and has a strong allegiance to the school (parents/family alumni), it would be pretty tough to ask an 18 year old kid to just start hating Badger football when MU doesn't have a team.

I'm not saying the kid has to run around campus celebrating everything the Badgers do, I'm just saying I'm not going to bitch at the kid for enjoying his family traditions.

Now, if the kid is just a sheep, and has no real ties to the school (no family alumni, no tradition).. then I think it's bush.

Your callsign suggests you are too young to have had Logic with Fr Davitt. Fr Davitt would stop the syllogism at Wisconsin. Qualifying it with Wisconsin Football or Wisconsin Curling debases the argument. Wisconsin is Wisconsin, in all of its evil forms.

[akmarq]

This is a great point.

If a parent goes to a school, usually the kids are going to be inundated with that school (and rightfully so).

Is a kid supposed to grow up wearing UW stuff and going to UW games, and then suddenly hate UW when he/she goes to MU?

I don't know if it can work like that.

My friend's (who transfered from MU last year) dad went to USNA and both his parents were in the Navy.  My dad went to USMA and both my parents were in the Army.  I have cheered for Army football my whole life (PM with with your condolences) and continue to do so.  Last year, we smacked talked about the Army-Navy game the whole week.  My buddy transfered to USMA last year and has renounced his Navy fanhood.  Army-Navy is one of THE best rivalries in sports.  If he can give up Navy, then people should def. be able to give up Wisco.  

Besides, at least Navy is a admirable team to root for.  Not like those rodent, commie Badgers.

[warthog-driver]

Not like those rodent, commie Badgers.

This is an important point. The People's Democratic Republic of Madison along with Pyongyang and Havana is one of the last bastions of Communism today. They wear Red after all.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Your callsign suggests you are too young to have had Logic with Fr Davitt. Fr Davitt would stop the syllogism at Wisconsin. Qualifying it with Wisconsin Football or Wisconsin Curling debases the argument. Wisconsin is Wisconsin, in all of its evil forms.

Hey, I hear what you are saying, and I HATE UW.

I'm just trying to personalize it:

When I have kids, they will be MU fans. They will come to games, wear the gear, watch the games on TV.

When they chose a college, they will ultimately become fans of that college's team. I totally get that.

HOWEVER, if they go to a school that doesn't even have D1 basketball, it would be weird for them to renounce their fandom for basically nothing.

No more going to MU games? No more traveling to the Big East tournament? Burn all of their MU gear? For what? So they can root for a school that doesn't even offer basketball?

Seems weird.

[akmarq]

Hey, I hear what you are saying, and I HATE UW.

I'm just trying to personalize it:

When I have kids, they will be MU fans. They will come to games, wear the gear, watch the games on TV.

When they chose a college, they will ultimately become fans of that college's team. I totally get that.

HOWEVER, if they go to a school that doesn't even have D1 basketball, it would be weird for them to renounce their fandom for basically nothing.

No more going to MU games? No more traveling to the Big East tournament? Burn all of their MU gear? For what? So they can root for a school that doesn't even offer basketball?

Seems weird.

Not the same...if their school doesn't have basketball but is MU's rival in some other sport (not that this could happen...) THEN your comparison is accurate.

This isn't about just continuing to cheer for your parents' team, it's about cheering for your parents' football team when that school is your schools biggest rival in basketball.

For example: no one is saying it's not okay to cheer for, say, U of Oregon football (and basketball for that matter) if you go to MU.  I still cheer for Gonzaga basketball even though I go to MU (though next year if they meet at the CBE you can bet I'm cheering for MU)

In other news...one of my friends is from Connecticut and STILL cheers for UConn basketball.  He rooted AGAINST Marquette in that game last year.  Truly deplorable.

[warthog-driver]

Hey, I hear what you are saying, and I HATE UW.

I'm just trying to personalize it:

When I have kids, they will be MU fans. They will come to games, wear the gear, watch the games on TV.

When they chose a college, they will ultimately become fans of that college's team. I totally get that.

HOWEVER, if they go to a school that doesn't even have D1 basketball, it would be weird for them to renounce their fandom for basically nothing.

No more going to MU games? No more traveling to the Big East tournament? Burn all of their MU gear? For what? So they can root for a school that doesn't even offer basketball?

Seems weird.

Our kids turned their back on MU. We have one at Middlebury and one at Washington State (he's on the football team as a walk-on.) Both grew up cheering for MU basketball but now neither follows the team. While painful to me I understand that in their busy lives it is too much to ask them to keep up to speed with MU hoops. I am a big Michigan football fan having gone to school there. My son is on the team at Wazzou. I still root for Michigan but obviously follow Wazzou. If they meet up someday in a bowl (hardly likely this year!!) I am not certain who I would cheer for but I am inclined to say Wazzou as blood is thicker than water.

[wyoMUfan]

You can, but I wouldn't recommend it.
It is easier to hate them in December if you start in September.

[ATWizJr]

MU BB
Sconnie Football and Hockey

Simple. Go Warriors!

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Not the same...if their school doesn't have basketball but is MU's rival in some other sport (not that this could happen...) THEN your comparison is accurate.

This isn't about just continuing to cheer for your parents' team, it's about cheering for your parents' football team when that school is your schools biggest rival in basketball.

For example: no one is saying it's not okay to cheer for, say, U of Oregon football (and basketball for that matter) if you go to MU.  I still cheer for Gonzaga basketball even though I go to MU (though next year if they meet at the CBE you can bet I'm cheering for MU)

In other news...one of my friends is from Connecticut and STILL cheers for UConn basketball.  He rooted AGAINST Marquette in that game last year.  Truly deplorable.

You're right, it's not an entirely accurate comparison, but I'm just trying to personalize it before I go blasting somebody.

Also, you're line above is the exact scenario I'm talking about, the school colors have just changed.

I'll say it again, I hate UW and all of the stupid lemmings who blindly root for the school even though they went to UW-Stout. I get it. I hate them too guys.

But, I can't blame a MU kid for having an affinity for UW football and/or hockey if he was brought up in that culture (UW alumni in the family, season tickets, road trips, etc.).

I'm not saying that he can fly a UW flag at his house in Milwaukee, I'm just saying it would be hard for me to tell the kid he can't go to UW football games with his family anymore. He has to sit in Milwaukee and watch other football games on TV because he goes to MU? I dunno...

[GGGG]

Our kids turned their back on MU. We have one at Middlebury and one at Washington State (he's on the football team as a walk-on.)

Ouch.  Man you gotta hand it to the kid.  Playing for WSU and not getting a scholarship to do so...

[akmarq]

I'm not saying that he can fly a UW flag at his house in Milwaukee, I'm just saying it would be hard for me to tell the kid he can't go to UW football games with his family anymore. He has to sit in Milwaukee and watch other football games on TV because he goes to MU? I dunno...

He'll sit there.  Quietly. And he'll like it

MU-Madison is just a particularly strange case because they are two heated basketball rivals where MU doesn't have a football team and Madison is the major football program in the state.  I can't think of many other schools who fall into that category.  You bring up a good point though about the way the Badgers seem to claim fans from every UW school in the state.  Are there other state schools that do this? As an out of stater it's always seemed slightly creepy the way everyone in WI clings to the Badgers regardless of what college they went to.