What a beat down on your home court. Two straight games blowing big leads in second half.
Can Williams coach or what?
we're very small, not exceptionally quick, have no depth and are not great shooters. Other than that, we're fine.
yada...yada....but NC State is NOT that good a team.......we are playing terribly......sloppy ball handling and effort against a less athletic team....MU doesn't look anything like the ream we saw last weekend....where is the effort and concentration?
We look like we went to sleep during half time and haven't woken up yet.
We suck
Quote from: ecompt on December 05, 2009, 03:49:24 PM
we're very small, not exceptionally quick, have no depth and are not great shooters. Other than that, we're fine.
Now I am really looking forward to UW next week and then the BE schedule.
Don't think we can play Buzz's style of basketball with a 7 man rotation.
We're just a little too young, too short, too short-handed. We're gonna surprise a few teams this year (already have), but consistency will be a struggle.
Part of the reason we lost this game was due to Buzz's aversion for calling timeouts. We came out in the second half shooting ice cold; whenever we weren't turning the ball over. He waited until around the 14:30 mark to call his first timeout. That's just wrong when you're team is playing ridiculously sloppy. A timeout would at least have allowed him to tell the players to relax a little and make better passes.
Forget the Madison game, the uwm game will be interesting. That big dope they have could score 40.
Quote from: NumenFlumenque on December 05, 2009, 04:27:15 PM
Part of the reason we lost this game was due to Buzz's aversion for calling timeouts. We came out in the second half shooting ice cold; whenever we weren't turning the ball over. He waited until around the 14:30 mark to call his first timeout. That's just wrong when you're team is playing ridiculously sloppy. A timeout would at least have allowed him to tell the players to relax a little and make better passes.
Today, Roy Williams watched Kentucky go on a 31-8 run in the 1st half...and he didnt call a timeout...is he wrong?
to the cliff everyone... it's about what I expect here; mass hysteria.
Yes. He's wrong. He's not omnipotent.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on December 05, 2009, 04:53:34 PM
Yes. He's wrong. He's not omnipotent.
This team could use Niv Berkowitz ;D
Quote from: jficke13 on December 05, 2009, 04:52:42 PM
to the cliff everyone... it's about what I expect here; mass hysteria.
Cats and dogs living together!!!
ghostbusters.... nice catch.
We suck. Going to lose a lot of games. Find the nearest cliff or bridge.
As I posted in August, enjoy the ride with lots of peaks andd valleys. As a small team with a short bench, MU simply cannot afford cheap turnovers as happened today. The loss of Cadougan shows up in games like this.
Quote from: Nukem2 on December 05, 2009, 05:23:18 PM
As I posted in August, enjoy the ride with lots of peaks andd valleys. As a small team with a short bench, MU simply cannot afford cheap turnovers as happened today. The loss of Cadougan shows up in games like this.
And the loss of Otule too - however many quality minutes he could give us.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on December 05, 2009, 04:53:34 PM
Yes. He's wrong. He's not omnipotent.
Actually, when it comes to N Carolina basketball, old Roy might be considered omnipotent (all powerful). I think you meant to say he's not omniscient (all knowing).
I was watching the first half of the NC-UK game and the announcer stated that "Williams doesn't like to use timeouts. He likes his team to play through the adversity." I was wondering where Buzz got that from!
Time to get our players on steroids before we lose all of them from getting beat up by players twice their size.
QuoteToday, Roy Williams watched Kentucky go on a 31-8 run in the 1st half...and he didn't call a timeout...is he wrong?
Roy did the same thing two years ago in The MNC game against Kansas.
Believe me, it makes UNC fans crazy as well. Their boards were flaming about today too.
So we have height problems and a short bench you guys say.
WHY NOT PLAY ERIK WILLIAMS!!!!!?????
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on December 05, 2009, 06:19:06 PM
Roy did the same thing two years ago in The MNC game against Kansas.
Believe me, it makes UNC fans crazy as well. Their boards were flaming about today too.
I'll trust Roy's judgement over anyone on their board. I wonder what the man would have to accomplish before Monday morning quaterbacks would stop questioning his decision making?
^^^^^
Agree completely. Their football boards are even worse.
Speaking of getting a clue, Mike Deane's Wagner club fell to 0-6 on Saturday.
Tough day. Losing to to mid to lower tier ACC teams and blowing big leads in both games. It was like watching 2 different teams today - super fired intensity in the first half and lethargic uninspired effort in the 2nd half. It will be an interesting year
Quote from: ecompt on December 05, 2009, 08:47:07 PM
Speaking of getting a clue, Mike Deane's Wagner club fell to 0-6 on Saturday.
Former MU related coaches...
KO's USC team has lost 3 straight, currently 2-4. Circle Dec. 31: KO v. former team Zona
IIII's Hoosier team is 3-4. Circle Dec. 12: IU v. UK
Darrin Horn's Gamec0ck team is 6-1 having beaten a Big East team, USF. Circle Jan. 23: @ Florida
UWM's
Rob Jeter's squad is 6-3 having lost twice at home. Circle Dec. 8: @ MU...nuff said
Robert Morris's club coached by
Mike Rice is 3-4, but 2-0 in the Colonial, having most recently defeated Deane's Wagner club. That should've been circled but instead circle Dec. 12 v. Duquesne and watch the stat line for the Dukes' Saunders instead.
UWGB's T
od Kowalczyk has his team smoking at 8-2. Circle Dec. 9: They get to rough up the Rodents before we do.
Dale Layer's Liberty club is struggling with a 4-6 record. Circle Jan. 7 v Presbyterian. Then compare how they did with MU's result from Dec. 27.
The Scarlet Knights are doing respectably well under
Fred Hill, with a 4-2 record. Circle Dec. 28 v UNC. What a game that'll be for Rutgers.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on December 05, 2009, 04:44:23 PM
Today, Roy Williams watched Kentucky go on a 31-8 run in the 1st half...and he didnt call a timeout...is he wrong?
Yes, he is wrong.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on December 05, 2009, 04:44:23 PM
Today, Roy Williams watched Kentucky go on a 31-8 run in the 1st half...and he didnt call a timeout...is he wrong?
I'd say he's wrong. What good does it do for your team to endure a run like that? I don't see a positive lesson to be learned from that.
UNC came back in that game because they had a bigger rotation than us and better overall players than us.
Fluce needs to leave our team. He is a waste of space. Its hard running a 7 man rotation with him in it esp with j may out on a dady to day hip pointer.
Quote from: NumenFlumenque on December 06, 2009, 01:24:34 PM
I'd say he's wrong. What good does it do for your team to endure a run like that? I don't see a positive lesson to be learned from that.
UNC came back in that game because they had a bigger rotation than us and better overall players than us.
If you honestly believe that you know more than Roy Williams about when to use timeouts in basketball, especially in that specific instance with that specific team you are a complete idiot.
I love how it's a given among most on this thread that calling a timeout is all you need to do to stop a run.
Quote from: muphan on December 06, 2009, 08:38:24 PM
Fluce needs to leave our team. He is a waste of space. Its hard running a 7 man rotation with him in it esp with j may out on a dady to day hip pointer.
Correct, we have too many athletic players over 6' 6" on this team already.
Quote from: avid1010 on December 06, 2009, 09:22:37 PM
If you honestly believe that you know more than Roy Williams about when to use timeouts in basketball, especially in that specific instance with that specific team you are a complete idiot.
I love how it's a given among most on this thread that calling a timeout is all you need to do to stop a run.
I never said calling a timeout would stop a run. But it's a hell of a lot better to try and stop the other team's momentum than suffer through a huge run while seeing your team make no adjustments to actually stop the run. I know I sure felt great seeing our team make terrible passes and take bad shots during the first six minutes of the second half.
Quote from: avid1010 on December 06, 2009, 09:22:37 PM
If you honestly believe that you know more than Roy Williams about when to use timeouts in basketball, especially in that specific instance with that specific team you are a complete idiot.
I love how it's a given among most on this thread that calling a timeout is all you need to do to stop a run.
Different coaches do it different ways. Mike Deane would call 3 timeouts in the first 10 minutes of a game if he had to. Buzz doesn't like to use them much....neither did John Wooden....but Wooden had better players that were more veteran than Buzz does.
Timeouts don't guarantee anything, never have, but many coaches certainly feel the need to use them when another team is on a run to slow them down, get his squad on the same page, etc. It's his call....I just wish Mr. Williams would play more. Oh, and Mbao....cuz I've been told that if he just adds 25lbs he is going to be a dominant force in the Big East.
Quote from: NumenFlumenque on December 06, 2009, 09:35:50 PM
I never said calling a timeout would stop a run. But it's a hell of a lot better to try and stop the other team's momentum than suffer through a huge run while seeing your team make no adjustments to actually stop the run. I know I sure felt great seeing our team make terrible passes and take bad shots during the first six minutes of the second half.
Or you could place the focus on creating teams that understand how to handle the runs that take place so often in college basketball, and have a team that can handle those situations and then have the advantage of having timeouts at the end of the game when we may need them for clock management reasons or for giving a breather to a 7 man rotation.
There's obviously two sides to the story...I'd just tend to go with Roy Williams. I guess a start would be for someone to define what the feel constitutes a run.
Quote from: avid1010 on December 07, 2009, 10:05:02 AM
Or you could place the focus on creating teams that understand how to handle the runs that take place so often in college basketball, and have a team that can handle those situations and then have the advantage of having timeouts at the end of the game when we may need them for clock management reasons or for giving a breather to a 7 man rotation.
There's obviously two sides to the story...I'd just tend to go with Roy Williams. I guess a start would be for someone to define what the feel constitutes a run.
If you've watched college ball for more then a couple years, you know what a run "feels" like. MU didn't play well in the first half. They got the ball to Odom with 13 seconds left and he creates an opening and hits an NBA 3-pointer to give Marquette an 11 point halftime lead and all the momentum in the world.
Knowing that, any coach worth their salt would be sure to let the kids know that NC State will come out hot and try to get it all back before the first media timeout. Make sure they know to weather that storm for the first few minutes -- tighten the ball handling, continue passing through the shot clock, be sure to use your ass when you rebound, etc. -- and use the home court to slowly kill their will to come back.
In this situation, when the 11 point lead was cut in half is when the sign should have come from Buzz. Instead, he sat on it for over three or four minutes of game time until it was 38-36 and at that point the team already looked lazy and out of it and it didn't take much brain power to know NC State was in the ascendancy. He failed.