There is an absolute melt down on the Indiana boards. Our former suck ass coach who had a high percentage of our fans duped with his terrible coaching and recruiting lost last night to Boston! Seems his crap recruiting and woeful coaching is beginning to wear thin in Bloomington. And honestly they are right, I dont care if you do have to start from scratch IU with all players recruited by the second year coach should not lose to BU by 20!! I dont think their incoming class, which is similar to the majority of classes he signed at Mu has them overjoyed either, their top recruit is a top 150 recruit by a few services.
They lost by 4.
Who gives a rats a$$ about Indiana. The season is here and I am still holding out hope for a bid to the dance.
i think they lost by 5. not 20.
for Christs sake, get over it hayward. your obsession is starting to make me feel sorry for you...
i was actually pissed at crean when he left and hoped he wouldnt succeed, but posts like yours and your sick obsession almost makes me wish he does well
buzz is God, crean is evil and must be destroyed, happy?
....thought this was a board about Marquette.... ?-(
Disagree. Schadenfreude is my middle name. I don't think there will be a time I would be too full for a story on IU fans being unhappy with our former coach. I'd love to see him have 3-4 brutal seasons with no hope in sight, have him get booted, see him land a gig as an assistant somewhere.
That's how I'd like to welcome Crean back to the Bradley Center. When he's on staff at North Florida and he's just another pre-season cupcake.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on November 21, 2009, 01:10:28 PM
Disagree. Schadenfreude is my middle name. I don't think there will be a time I would be too full for a story on IU fans being unhappy with our former coach. I'd love to see him have 3-4 brutal seasons with no hope in sight, have him get booted, see him land a gig as an assistant somewhere.
That's how I'd like to welcome Crean back to the Bradley Center. When he's on staff at North Florida and he's just another pre-season cupcake.
impossible... his ego is too big. he would prob only be an assistant under izzo, if at all
First of this is a message board. If you don't like the topic don't click on it. When Mr. Hayward starts a thread called oh by the way. What do you think it's gonna be about?
2ndly. TC coached 9 years at MU. He took us to a Final Four (he also took us to 3 NITs). He will always be part of the conversation. I don't know about you but I always take an interest in what Rick, KO & Deane-o are doing. So to will I with TC.
And the fact that they lost to BU in his 2nd season is big news. IU shouldbe competing for Final Fours. There's no reason in the world his recruiting classthusfar haven't been top 3. It's clear to me he has IU on track (next year or so) to be a top 4 B10 team and NCAA regular. Both of which are great at MU but borderline felonies at IU.
His success, or lack there of, at IU is, to me, not just a MU story but rather a national story.
Just curious, guys . . .
If you get your wish and Crean is fired.
And Buzz continues to recruit and coach well at MU and competes for Big East titles and goes deep into the NCAA tourney?
Who do you think is going to be on IU's short list?
LOL
Hayward...must suck for you to live in Indiana.
It doesn't help Crean PR wise when Cal, and Pastner come in their first years at top jobs and land monster 5 star classes. Crean's hill is much more rugged but the expectations are higher at IU and memories are short about what he walked into. Roth is out for the year, and he has three new starters. He is lucky Iowa is horrible and NU is banged up. No question the pressure is cooking up on him.
Evil, the Cats will miss Coble. But, probably kick Crean's ass, at least, in Evanston.
Quote from: Marquette84 on November 21, 2009, 01:33:25 PM
Just curious, guys . . .
If you get your wish and Crean is fired.
And Buzz continues to recruit and coach well at MU and competes for Big East titles and goes deep into the NCAA tourney?
Who do you think is going to be on IU's short list?
Right...IU will definitely look to MU for another coach as the past one had success at MU and flopped at IU. They'd look for a repeat, just as I'm sure Buzz is looking to pull a TC. Not saying Buzz won't leave if he has success, but not to IU. That's just dumb.
I'm curious how many of you believe Buzz will be at MU for 9 years?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 21, 2009, 05:33:09 PM
I'm curious how many of you believe Buzz will be at MU for 9 years?
Not too many coaches last 9 years in one place these days. Give Buzz two more years with next year's class and see what happens.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on November 21, 2009, 01:10:28 PM
Disagree. Schadenfreude is my middle name. I don't think there will be a time I would be too full for a story on IU fans being unhappy with our former coach. I'd love to see him have 3-4 brutal seasons with no hope in sight, have him get booted, see him land a gig as an assistant somewhere.
That's how I'd like to welcome Crean back to the Bradley Center. When he's on staff at North Florida and he's just another pre-season cupcake.
+1
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 21, 2009, 05:33:09 PM
I'm curious how many of you believe Buzz will be at MU for 9 years?
I'm in. Truth is Crean overstayed his welcome by 5 years. Should have left after the FF debacle. Apparently, schools wouldn't cough up the sheckles necessary to move the anoited one. Until, IU got caught in the wringer.
It will be interesting to see how Buzz plays out. I hope he's successful enough that others come calling. Could see Austin potentially as a player. Far too early to tell.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 21, 2009, 05:33:09 PM
I'm curious how many of you believe Buzz will be at MU for 9 years?
I could care less how long he's here. MU is committed to winning & Wild has shown he can hire coaches we'll be fine. IU on the otherhand...
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 21, 2009, 05:33:09 PM
I'm curious how many of you believe Buzz will be at MU for 9 years?
To be quite honest. At this point Buzz should still be happy to have a job at a program like MU.(and HE probably is) It is just as likely that MU is an NIT team for 3 years and Buzz is on the street, as it is MU is an elite 8 team and on the hot list down in Texas....
Just saying ;)
Quote from: The Lens on November 21, 2009, 06:05:15 PM
I could care less how long he's here. MU is committed to winning & Wild has shown he can hire coaches we'll be fine. IU on the otherhand...
LOL....are you saying IU isn't committed to winning? They just invested $10 million in a coach and a ton of money for a new building. The difference is that they are literally starting from scratch, something some people here apparently don't understand. They had ONE player return last year that scored about 2 points a game. That was it. TOTALLY STARTING FROM ZERO.
As for you not worrying about coaches coming and going, well you're entitled to that opinion. I find that most schools that go through that process pay dearly for it because it sends the message that it's a stepping stone school. I'd much prefer a coach is here for the long haul for multiple reasons.
The state of the economy may play a part in Buzz staying at MU at least for the length of his current contract.
When IU went from the favorite/"lock" for Kyrie Irving to losing him, in fact having him drop IU from his short list long before he made a decision, the heat went up on the frying pan. The fact that many of the other top PGs they have targeted are either signing elsewhere or waiting for the spring so they can widen their searches does not bode well for him/IU.
Apparently his staff really blew it with Irving. I've been trying to get the details but he just signed with dook in the early signing period when EVERYONE had him a lock for IU. The other two top recruits for 2011 in Indiana, Zeller and Plumlee could both be headed to the ACC as well. TC is finding out that going head to head with Roy, K and Self (not to forget Matta) is a lot tougher than competing with ND, Illinois, Depaul and others for the midwest talent he really needs to make a difference in his program.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 21, 2009, 07:42:00 PM
The difference is that they are literally starting from scratch, something some people here apparently don't understand. They had ONE player return last year that scored about 2 points a game.
Wait - I thought they were starting from scratch last year? That's still the excuse this year? Didn't Crean put together last years team? Didn't it include a couple highly rated players, including Nick Williams who was going to be the next DW?
What happened, why are they starting from scratch this year too?
Ever ask yourself that?
Keep defending the guy, and get prepared to pay up on Nov 1, 2012 :D
Quote from: MUsBlender on November 21, 2009, 06:11:30 PM
To be quite honest. At this point Buzz should still be happy to have a job at a program like MU.(and HE probably is) It is just as likely that MU is an NIT team for 3 years and Buzz is on the street, as it is MU is an elite 8 team and on the hot list down in Texas....
Just saying ;)
I agree, he should be incredibly happy...a few years ago he was the head coach of a mid major with a losing record. Timing is everything and his timing was perfect. He's taking the most of a great opportunity.
Will he be here in 9 years, I doubt it but we'll see. Considering only one coach since McGuire lasted 9 years, the odds are against him doing so. There are destination jobs where coaches go to stay there for a decade or more, MU isn't one of them right now. At least it hasn't been since McGuire, the last guy to actually commit to 10 years or more (and he tried to leave multiple times).
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 21, 2009, 08:43:34 PM
Wait - I thought they were starting from scratch last year? That's still the excuse this year? Didn't Crean put together last years team? Didn't it include a couple highly rated players, including Nick Williams who was going to be the next DW?
What happened, why are they starting from scratch this year too?
Ever ask yourself that?
Keep defending the guy, and get prepared to pay up on Nov 1, 2012 :D
I'm still talking about last year....sorry if that didn't come across that way....this year is what, a game or two old. I'm talking about the first season where he had to totally start over. He'll finish probably 10th this year, maybe 9th if they get a few breaks. Next year they will be NIT, then they will start going to the NCAAs again. Reality is reality, they've had to do something that pretty much no other team has ever had to do....totally start from scratch. The administration understands that. They know it will take multiple years. Most coaches step in and there is a senior or 2, a junior, a good freshman, something....he walked into one guy returning who averaged 2 points a game. That's starting from zero....that's the reality.
I won't be paying up in 2012, trust me. It just isn't going to happen. IU is in deep trouble financially in athletics and so much is committed to him that this will be an easy bet to cash in on. Taking candy from a baby. ;D
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 21, 2009, 08:52:31 PM
IU is in deep trouble financially in athletics and so much is committed to him that this will be an easy bet to cash in on. Taking candy from a baby. ;D
Oh no - I know you didn't just call me a baby. lol
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 21, 2009, 08:59:43 PM
Oh no - I know you didn't just call me a baby. lol
Ooops...just a general figure of speech. LOL No insult meant. And if you do win, I think others on this board can tell you I pay my debts. I just don't see this one happening.
Peace
I can see Buzz remaining at MU for many years. He doesn't seem driven to ultimately coach at one of the elite programs. He has a refreshing approach to the game and his players. I can't see him using them as pawns to raise his value for another college.
Ultimately he'll have to produce and his Xs and Os are still undetermined. But there is no doubt that he has been a very positive addition to Marquette. When you consider that we could have very easily dropped our court cred after Crean bolted, Buzz has proven that Texas isn't all hat and no cowboy.
Quote from: DaCoach on November 22, 2009, 01:49:49 AM
I can see Buzz remaining at MU for many years. He doesn't seem driven to ultimately coach at one of the elite programs.
I'm very happy about Buzz, but I disagree. There's something about his legendary 200 letters a week to all his coaching contacts that makes me think this is a guy who wants to go to the very top. And I don't begrudge him that. I hope that he thinks Marquette is the very top and that he succeeds and stays for a long, long time, but history shows that it's unlikely.
Quote from: DaCoach on November 22, 2009, 01:49:49 AM
I can see Buzz remaining at MU for many years. He doesn't seem driven to ultimately coach at one of the elite programs.
I also disagree. However, I do believe he wants to bring Marquette to the level of the elite programs (at least similar to Cuse and UConn) which would solve the problems of him staying here.
Go get em Buzz (and don't pull a TC on us).
Buzz has said multiple time he'll coach at MU as long as they'll have him. Nothing Buzz has said gives me any reason to doubt this.
Quote from: spartan3186 on November 22, 2009, 12:40:13 PM
Buzz has said multiple time he'll coach at MU as long as they'll have him.
You believe that?
You are so precious.
He has said that multiple times as well as how MU's values match up so well with his. On the other hand, he has been a nomad prior to his arrival here. I have no reason to call him a liar, but perhaps past performance is an indicator of future trends. Until I see/hear something different, I am going to believe his words and that he was only a nomad until he landed a head gig at a high major.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 21, 2009, 07:42:00 PM
LOL....are you saying IU isn't committed to winning? They just invested $10 million in a coach and a ton of money for a new building. The difference is that they are literally starting from scratch, something some people here apparently don't understand. They had ONE player return last year that scored about 2 points a game. That was it. TOTALLY STARTING FROM ZERO.
As for you not worrying about coaches coming and going, well you're entitled to that opinion. I find that most schools that go through that process pay dearly for it because it sends the message that it's a stepping stone school. I'd much prefer a coach is here for the long haul for multiple reasons.
Chicos,
Jim larranga is starting from scratch this year too. 11 new players all freshamn or sophomores and they are more talented , better coached and just beat your team!!
Josh Pastner and Sean Miller are basically starting from scratch at there schools too. yet they actually signed big time classes. Cream is still recruiiting and coaching like he was at Mu ..thank God he is not.
oh by the way look are makihn yourself appear as even more of an idiot on the indiana boards.
IU is commited to winning they just unfortunately fell for a pretender full of pomp and no circumstance
Quote from: spartan3186 on November 22, 2009, 12:40:13 PM
Buzz has said multiple time he'll coach at MU as long as they'll have him. Nothing Buzz has said gives me any reason to doubt this.
And Bill Clinton said he never had sex with that woman. Please, Buzz has an ego, contrary to how he portrays himself.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on November 22, 2009, 03:35:45 PM
Chicos,
Jim larranga is starting from scratch this year too. 11 new players all freshamn or sophomores and they are more talented , better coached and just beat your team!!
Josh Pastner and Sean Miller are basically starting from scratch at there schools too. yet they actually signed big time classes. Cream is still recruiiting and coaching like he was at Mu ..thank God he is not.
oh by the way look are makihn yourself appear as even more of an idiot on the indiana boards.
IU is commited to winning they just unfortunately fell for a pretender full of pomp and no circumstance
Again I try to read your posts but am unable to decipher them. When I attended MU, specifically at Lalumiere Hall where foreign languages were taught, I stuck to Japanese and Spanish. I have no clue what language you are speaking, but since it looks nothing like English I can only assume it's a foreign language.
Perhaps you can help us all "makihn" heads or tails about what you just wrote.
Thanks
Oh, and Pastner, Larranga, Miller....tell me when they EVER had a program where 2.1 points and 1 rebound returned from the previous season. That was it, nothing more.
Quote from: spartan3186 on November 22, 2009, 12:40:13 PM
Buzz has said multiple time he'll coach at MU as long as they'll have him. Nothing Buzz has said gives me any reason to doubt this.
Well, let's hope it's true but come on. Quick, do a Google scan of Urban Meyer, Brian Kelly, Fitzgerald, Harbaugh, Bob Stoops, etc, etc and what they say about remaining at their current school. So when one of them takes the Notre Dame job, are they lying?
Buzz is just doing coach speak, they all do.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 22, 2009, 11:51:54 PM
Well, let's hope it's true but come on. Quick, do a Google scan of Urban Meyer, Brian Kelly, Fitzgerald, Harbaugh, Bob Stoops, etc, etc and what they say about remaining at their current school. So when one of them takes the Notre Dame job, are they lying?
Buzz is just doing coach speak, they all do.
I guess that can be said about "It's Indiana! It's Indiana (for now until Izzo leaves MSU)."
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on November 23, 2009, 12:33:10 AM
I guess that can be said about "It's Indiana! It's Indiana (for now until Izzo leaves MSU)."
Absolutely....they all do it, Buzz is no exception. They're all thrilled to be at _______ , they have no desire to leave _________ , this is one of the best jobs in the nation, they're honored to be considered at __________ but haven't been contacted. Yada yada yada.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 23, 2009, 12:37:06 AM
Absolutely....they all do it, Buzz is no exception. They're all thrilled to be at _______ , they have no desire to leave _________ , this is one of the best jobs in the nation, they're honored to be considered at __________ but haven't been contacted. Yada yada yada.
Saying, "I will stay as long as MU will have me." is different than what you say above. What he is saying is that he will leave only if for some reason MU fires him or forces him out. Chicos, you must admit that Buzz uses far less coachspeak than most other coaches. He is brutally honest to a fault. I would go so far as to say that that quote is exactly how he feels at the moment.
That being said things can change in the future. He always seems to involve his wife in such life changing decisions as moving and new career opportunities. She may tire of the cold weather at some point. On the other hand, I have heard him say numerous times how much his wife loves it here.
The other thing that was not really brought up is that Buzz is a very religious, very Christian person. While I don't think he is Catholic, he does involve Jesus as an example and in prayer all the time while coaching and recruiting. I am not sure, given the politically correct nature of some universities that this would be allowed to such an extent, i.e., at a UT or A&M. At least here, he can be who he really is. I would not underestimate this aspect.
Seriously, one thing I am sure we can agree on is that I hope in a few years that Buzz's name comes up as an alternative for the really big job openings. That will mean that he has gotten us back to the NCAA's, we've done well in the Big East, and he continues the great recruiting that he has started. Perhaps even COY. ;). My take on Buzz's personality so far is that he will be less likely to jump ship as the last guy.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 21, 2009, 05:51:02 PM
Should have left after the FF debacle.
I sift through all your anti-Crean posts panning for nuggets of GOLD like this.
I think it should be a category on Family Feud: Words never used by sane people to describe a trip to the NCAA Final Four. #1 Answer -- "DEBACLE".
Would it have been better if Marquette had not made it that far?
Quote from: downtown85 on November 23, 2009, 08:46:59 AM
Saying, "I will stay as long as MU will have me." is different than what you say above. What he is saying is that he will leave only if for some reason MU fires him or forces him out. Chicos, you must admit that Buzz uses far less coachspeak than most other coaches. He is brutally honest to a fault. I would go so far as to say that that quote is exactly how he feels at the moment.
+1
Key words are "at the moment." Right now, I would bet my life that the only coaching job Buzz is thinking about is Marquette. That isn't to say that it won't change at some point in the future, but I think it is grossly unfair to immediately pigeonhole Buzz into the "I like blank, I want to be at blank" coaching stereotype.
Not everyone who finds success wants to be at the top. Similarly, we can't all be President, we can't all be astronauts, we can't all be Warren Buffett, and we can't all coach Duke -- sadly, it takes at least 3-4 decades, sometimes longer, for most of the U.S. population to realize this. (Remember when your parents and teachers told you that you can be anything you want --- that was a lie.)
So how long is Buzz at MU? As long as it's a match for both.
Quote from: 79Warrior on November 22, 2009, 08:12:32 PM
And Bill Clinton said he never had sex with that woman. Please, Buzz has an ego, contrary to how he portrays himself.
It's clear you're no fan of Buzz, but comparing him to Clinton? Rather a low blow.
Quote from: Coach Norman Dale on November 23, 2009, 09:16:59 AM
I sift through all your anti-Crean posts panning for nuggets of GOLD like this.
You have an abundance of free time, because you are working with a lot of material.
Quote from: downtown85 on November 23, 2009, 08:46:59 AM
Saying, "I will stay as long as MU will have me." is different than what you say above. What he is saying is that he will leave only if for some reason MU fires him or forces him out. Chicos, you must admit that Buzz uses far less coachspeak than most other coaches. He is brutally honest to a fault. I would go so far as to say that that quote is exactly how he feels at the moment.
Yes, in comparing one year as head coach to 9 years, you are correct. :D
Seems like apples to oranges comparison. I'll bet people were infatuated with Crean's brutal honesty, Christian attitude, etc in the first few years. Honeymoon periods, anything goes....everything is gumdrops, marshmellows and lollipops.
Quote from: Coach Norman Dale on November 23, 2009, 09:16:59 AM
I sift through all your anti-Crean posts panning for nuggets of GOLD like this.
I think it should be a category on Family Feud: Words never used by sane people to describe a trip to the NCAA Final Four. #1 Answer -- "DEBACLE".
Would it have been better if Marquette had not made it that far?
Very well said, I thought the same thing....Granted we got whooped by kansas. But I would say a trip to the Final four counts as a successful season