2010 is shaping up to be a great class with Jones and Blue so far. However, we still have two open spots for 2010 (assuming that Clark isn't coming). Tarik Black would be a great get. Who else does Buzz go after? Will we be signing four guys when the November LOI day arrives?
What is the latest with Clark? Has he said anything publically? Is their any chance he was in the wrong place at the wrong time as opposed to be involved?
(to be clear, I don't want him if he was involved. We are not Louisville. But I seem to recall a story that essentially said he did not participate in the assault but was present at a party where it happened ... just trying to get the story straight.)
There were 3 things wrong with Clark's situation:
1. He used his gerke,
2. In the wrong place,
3. At the wrong time.
I doubt he'll ever play at MU.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on October 19, 2009, 05:21:04 AM
What is the latest with Clark? Has he said anything publically? Is their any chance he was in the wrong place at the wrong time as opposed to be involved?
(to be clear, I don't want him if he was involved. We are not Louisville. But I seem to recall a story that essentially said he did not participate in the assault but was present at a party where it happened ... just trying to get the story straight.)
Remove Clark from your memory bank. Even if he was wrongly accussed, he'll never play ball at MU.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on October 19, 2009, 05:21:04 AM
What is the latest with Clark? Has he said anything publically? Is their any chance he was in the wrong place at the wrong time as opposed to be involved?
(to be clear, I don't want him if he was involved. We are not Louisville. But I seem to recall a story that essentially said he did not participate in the assault but was present at a party where it happened ... just trying to get the story straight.)
He may still be locked up. Never will set foot on campus.
Far as topic is concerned, I believe Buzz will be looking for a PF or Center to complete the 2010 class.
Quote from: nyg on October 19, 2009, 07:31:31 AM
He may still be locked up. Never will set foot on campus.
Far as topic is concerned, I believe Buzz will be looking for a PF or Center to complete the 2010 class.
Heck, there's two open spots, why not both? Also, especially with Cadougan being redshirted this year and the Juco target Clark no longer coming, I'm thinking Buzz will go Juco with one of the open spots to better balance the classes, because he seems to have good connections in that area, and because it seems to make sense from a depth/roster standpoint to get a Juco big if he's halfway decent.
Going to be hard for Clark to get up and down the court in ankle shackles.
Quote from: nyg on October 19, 2009, 07:31:31 AM
He may still be locked up. Never will set foot on campus.
Far as topic is concerned, I believe Buzz will be looking for a PF or Center to complete the 2010 class.
I think he goes for two.
One JuCo and one High school kid. It would make sense. Equal out the classes. get a Junior JuCo along with a freshman and, I could be mistaken, the classes would be 3-3-3-4. That's as even as you're going to get.
so far Buzz has Jones-a 6'6" SF, replace Lazar
Blue-replace acker/cubes
JC-replace acker/cubes
Now get a few PF/C type players and that's a darn good class.
I would not mind seeing us getting a pure shooter.
Speaking of Who's next, I've updated the scholarship table. Added Frozena to this years roster, removed Clark, slid Cadougan over as a (medical) red-shirt this year, and of course added Blue.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8
Quote from: rocky_warrior on October 19, 2009, 09:10:24 AM
Speaking of Who's next, I've updated the scholarship table. Added Frozena to this years roster, removed Clark, slid Cadougan over as a (medical) red-shirt this year, and of course added Blue.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8
Thank you! I say this all the time, but the Scholarship Table is one of my favorite things about Scoop. I check it out ALL the time.
Quote from: pillardean on October 19, 2009, 08:07:37 AM
Now get a few PF/C type players and that's a darn good class.
Agreed, but let's get someone who is more PF than C. We already have two big-men, Otule and Mbao who are only going to contribute at the 5... I don't think it makes sense to allocate another scholarship to a dedicated center this early in Chris' and Yous' careers unless he can step back & play the 4, or is a top-five/ten recruit at the 5.
Quote from: Stone Cold on October 19, 2009, 07:50:06 AM
Going to be hard for Clark to get up and down the court in ankle shackles.
Ha, that was a good one...
I see the scholarship table has been updated. Thanks. 2 more schollies available for 2010.
Clark has (appropriately) been thrown down the memory hole.
Walker and Black, please.
We all know that Tarick Black is considering MU, I also read that JayVaughn Pinkston (6'7", 235lb) has us on his list.
If I'm Buzz, I'm on the phone with those two as well as Maurice Walker & Freddy Aspirilla (who I'd personally prefer - even though it looks like we're fading with those two horses) and telling them that we've got our back court set and that with their interior presence, MU can realistically compete for a National Title in the very near future.
I know we don't have a great history of developing bigs, but if I were a 4 or a 5, I can't imagine a better situation to come into...no real competition for PT and very little depth...big minutes are absolutely THERE for the taking and you'd be sharing a court with two consecutive top 15 recruiting classes...
GO GET 'EM BUZZ!
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on October 19, 2009, 10:10:49 AM
Walker and Black, please.
Walker is a pretty big longshot, I wouldnt get my hopes up.
I think another Guard and a PF would round out this class nicely. My best case scenario would be Black and Howard.
If Black goes elsewhere, I could see Buzz holding the scholarships until spring...waiting for a JUCO or D1 Transfer
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on October 19, 2009, 10:10:49 AM
Walker and Black, please.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on October 19, 2009, 10:16:22 AM
Walker is a pretty big longshot, I wouldnt get my hopes up.
I think another Guard and a PF would round out this class nicely. My best case scenario would be Black and Howard.
If Black goes elsewhere, I could see Buzz holding the scholarships until spring...waiting for a JUCO or D1 Transfer
This is a total pipe dream...but be honest, how sick would it be:
PG: Junior Cadougan / DJO
SG: Vander Blue / Buycks
SF: Jimmy Butler / Jamail Jones / E. Will
PF: Maymon / Tarik Black / Fulce
C: Mo Walker / Mbao / O'Tule
WOW
Quote from: downtown85 on October 19, 2009, 10:10:00 AM
I see the scholarship table has been updated. Thanks. 2 more schollies available for 2010.
I should note (since I've been questioned about it), I've made the not-so-giant assumption that the "extra" scholarship from this year will roll unused into next year, leaving 2 available for 2011-2012.
Which deviates from the wording on the table "assuming all from previous year have been used". Just FYI...
Walker is likely to go to Pitt. He is visiting there this coming weekend, and it is his only scheduled visit. I would be very surpised if he doesnt commit.
Quote from: MU_Iceman on October 19, 2009, 10:19:48 AM
This is a total pipe dream...but be honest, how sick would it be:
PG: Junior Cadougan / DJO
SG: Vander Blue / Buycks
SF: Jimmy Butler / Jamail Jones / E. Will
PF: Maymon / Tarik Black / Fulce
C: Mo Walker / Mbao / O'Tule
WOW
I find it interesting how Erik Williams seems to be getting lost in the shuffle. Where's the love for Williams? He is ranked higher in his class than Jones is ranked in his class (at least according to Scout). I don't follow recruiting as closely as some on here, but are we really looking at a situation where a four-star recruit like Williams is going to be burried
third on the depth chart? Are the kids we're signing really
that good?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on October 19, 2009, 11:01:25 AM
I find it interesting how Erik Williams seems to be getting lost in the shuffle. Where's the love for Williams? He is ranked higher in his class than Jones is ranked in his class (at least according to Scout). I don't follow recruiting as closely as some on here, but are we really looking at a situation where a four-star recruit like Williams is going to be burried third on the depth chart? Are the kids we're signing really that good?
I hope so
Quote from: StillAWarrior on October 19, 2009, 11:01:25 AM
I find it interesting how Erik Williams seems to be getting lost in the shuffle. Where's the love for Williams? He is ranked higher in his class than Jones is ranked in his class (at least according to Scout). I don't follow recruiting as closely as some on here, but are we really looking at a situation where a four-star recruit like Williams is going to be burried third on the depth chart? Are the kids we're signing really that good?
There is a lot of basketball to be practiced and played between now and then. Buzz is smart enough to know who will be best for us when the time comes.
Not sure if the feeling is mutual, but MU (along with Mizzou, Georgetown and Florida International) is in the final four for Tony Mitchell, a 6'6" forward out of Dallas.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on October 19, 2009, 11:01:25 AM
I find it interesting how Erik Williams seems to be getting lost in the shuffle. Where's the love for Williams?
FWIW - I've got him penciled in for super-sub of the year. Maybe not 6th man (since we've got a few 6th men already...), but a guy that's gonna' come in, do his job efficiently, but not make a lot of noise (short of some shot altering blocks).
Of course, I'd love for him to have more of an impact than that. Based on the scrimmage, I liked what I saw.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 19, 2009, 11:52:03 AMNot sure if the feeling is mutual, but MU (along with Mizzou, Georgetown and Florida International) is in the final four for Tony Mitchell, a 6'6" forward out of Dallas.
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=73058&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3frecruitId%3d73058
I would hope the feeling is mutual. If we can get him, let's do it. Sounds like he'd be a perfect fit for what we're building, as it says he's perfect for an up-and-down offense. It also says that he is a great kid. I'd love to get him. Make the most of that Texas connection, Buzz.
Any news on Freddy Asprilla? It origionally sounded like he was K-State's to loose. I love this guy's skill set and as a Junior I believe he could come in and play some major minutes.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 19, 2009, 01:04:07 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=73058&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3frecruitId%3d73058
I would hope the feeling is mutual. If we can get him, let's do it. Sounds like he'd be a perfect fit for what we're building, as it says he's perfect for an up-and-down offense. It also says that he is a great kid. I'd love to get him. Make the most of that Texas connection, Buzz.
According to the site Metroplex Hoops, MU and Georgetown had an in-home visits with Mitchell in late September. That same site is the one reporting that MU is in his final four.
"Florida International made a journey back to metroplex as they had an in-home visit with Tony Mitchell of Pinkston. Looks like Isaiah Thomas and Co. are determined to get a Dallas/Fort Worth area kid. With a top four of FIU, Georgetown, Marquette, and Missouri, a decision may be imminent. Look for local floor general Phil Pressey (ESD) to start politicing for the Missouri Tigers."http://metroplexhoops.com/news.htm
Quote from: Pakuni on October 19, 2009, 01:30:27 PMAccording to the site Metroplex Hoops, MU and Georgetown had an in-home visits with Mitchell in late September. That same site is the one reporting that MU is in his final four.
"Florida International made a journey back to metroplex as they had an in-home visit with Tony Mitchell of Pinkston. Looks like Isaiah Thomas and Co. are determined to get a Dallas/Fort Worth area kid. With a top four of FIU, Georgetown, Marquette, and Missouri, a decision may be imminent. Look for local floor general Phil Pressey (ESD) to start politicing for the Missouri Tigers."
http://metroplexhoops.com/news.htm
Sounds good. I'd love to have him and black close out the class.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 19, 2009, 01:38:02 PM
Sounds good. I'd love to have him and black close out the class.
The only problem is, neither one of those guys address the biggest thing missing from our recruiting as of late...a great outside shooter. All of the guys we've signed recently, or gotten commitments from recently are all very good players, but not great shooters. And you need at least one of those to go far.
I suppose if Buzz is going to go to the old Nolan Richardson 40 Minutes of Hell strategy they'd be great, but even Nolan had outside shooters.
Thi syear we have an issue with outside shooters, but aren't Junior and Blue good outside shooters?
Quote from: Daniel on October 19, 2009, 02:27:54 PM
Thi syear we have an issue with outside shooters, but aren't Junior and Blue good outside shooters?
I guess it depends on how you define good. You give them a wide open three, chances are they'll hit it, but they aren't the kind of players that you would expect to be consistent shooters either coming of a screen or pulling up from beyond the arc.
I'm not saying we need another Novak, but some guy that can come in and be a zone buster, or at least some guy that consistently shoots well from the outside would be perfect. Right now, the team as it's made up doesn't really have that.
Quote from: bma725 on October 19, 2009, 02:50:55 PM
I guess it depends on how you define good. You give them a wide open three, chances are they'll hit it, but they aren't the kind of players that you would expect to be consistent shooters either coming of a screen or pulling up from beyond the arc.
I'm not saying we need another Novak, but some guy that can come in and be a zone buster, or at least some guy that consistently shoots well from the outside would be perfect. Right now, the team as it's made up doesn't really have that.
P'Shon Howard can shoot it, cant he?
was howard at Madness?
Actually at this point i cannot see a nother guard wanting to attend Mu in the 2010 class, i mean we are loaded at the guard now.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on October 19, 2009, 02:59:04 PM
P'Shon Howard can shoot it, cant he?
Tough to say. I've seen some comments that call him an elite shooter, and some that say he's streaky and doesn't yet have range out to the 3 point line. So I don't know if he improved, or if whoever thought he was great happened to catch him during his hot streak.
I guess my ultimate wish would be some sort of European style big man with outside range or someone like Novak that had big man size but great shooting touch, just so we don't have to worry about having too many people for one position.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on October 19, 2009, 03:15:22 PM
was howard at Madness?
Actually at this point i cannot see a nother guard wanting to attend Mu in the 2010 class, i mean we are loaded at the guard now.
Don't forget SF also. Williams, Jones, Maymon and Fulce. Jeez, we are actually going to be loaded aren't we? Whoops, forgot Butler. Good grief......
From anything I've read, Jamail Jones is supposed to a very good outside shooter with a pure stroke:
"Jones is a strong athlete that can knock down open shots. At 6-6 and 200 pounds Jones has great size for a wing. He hit three's off the catch and when he spots up in transition or spacing on the side of dribble penetration in the half court."
-ESPN.com
If we're going to get a pure shooter, you need a force on the blocks to open up the shots on the perimeter.
And remember it's got to be a STUD big man...
Tarik may NOT be a big man - as in a center - but he's a stud and we NEED him.
Heck, if Asprilla wisens up, he may see that something good is brewing in Milwaukee, and it ain't the brew.
RE: Williams, he's athletic and long...but I don't see him blowing it up until he gets a season's worth of subbing this year. The practices and on-court minutes as well as the off-season training will harden him for a blow-out sophomore campaign. STICKY this prediction...
Quote from: Peoples_Republic_Warrior on October 19, 2009, 03:30:16 PM
From anything I've read, Jamail Jones is supposed to a very good outside shooter with a pure stroke:
"Jones is a strong athlete that can knock down open shots. At 6-6 and 200 pounds Jones has great size for a wing. He hit three's off the catch and when he spots up in transition or spacing on the side of dribble penetration in the half court."
-ESPN.com
Take what ESPN says with a grain of salt. Not that he's not a good shooter, but in their evaluation from the month before they pretty much are shocked that he's even a competent shooter as they believed he was at his best as a slasher and off the dribble. Not even 3 weeks later they suddenly decided that he was at his best as a spot up shooter, and needed to work on everything else.
ESPN can be a decent service eventually, but right now they have major issues. They have too many different talent evaluators involved in the process, so you get wildly different views depending upon which person saw the player on that day.
I've seen Jones play...he has a good stroke. Is he going to be a Novak-like marksman from downtown? no but i would say he has a better shot than Dom, Jerel or Wes.
BMA, does Mike Shaw fit the bill of a kid you are looking for? He's seems to be a skilled 4 man with a 15 ft+ jumper. He many not have the range you would like in a fwd jump shooter, but it does not hurt that Mike comes with 5* monster guard Wayne Blackshear. I also like the fact that these are IL guys. May be a pipedream, but I think most write-off shaw because he's in the shadow of Blackshear.
I would love to see Buzz get Tarik Black or someone with a similar skill set. I think Marquette is missing that PF/C toughness that is needed for the Big East schedule. A big, brusing traffic rebounder that will put up double-doubles every night. I have to see how much improvement Otule made in the offseason, but I feel like we need a Tarik Black if we are going to be a real big east/big dance contender in the future. Either way, Buzz is doing a great job!
MU needs a 4 or 5 star 4/5 player ideally! Forget about a pure shooter. Is there anyway we can have an idea as to what JUCO players are considering us? Seems like we can only follow HS players!
Quote from: Rockmic87 on October 24, 2009, 07:12:56 PM
MU needs a 4 or 5 star 4/5 player ideally! Forget about a pure shooter. Is there anyway we can have an idea as to what JUCO players are considering us? Seems like we can only follow HS players!
Every team in the nation could use a 5-star 4/5 player.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on October 25, 2009, 09:06:15 AM
Every team in the nation could use a 5-star 4/5 player.
But were one of the few teams in the BE not to really ever have one! Even Depaul has picked them up!