If we get Blue, it will be the first time under Buzz that we signed a recruit that everybody new for months we were working on, one that we were in a clear competition to get. Until now, every time Buzz signs a recruit, it comes out of left field and we go through a "who's he, how big, we beat who?!?!, damn, I didn't know we were even looking at this guy" progression. Landing Blue would be the complete opposite of that. So, my prediction is that Blue goes elsewhere and two days later we sign somebody at the same position ranked equally high that nobody knew we were close on.
I'd be shocked if Blue went anywhere but Badgerland.
While most have been out of the blue, both Maymon and Cadougan I believe were pretty well known that we were involved with before they committed.
"Every time" is a bit of a stretch.
Cadougan, Maymon, and Jones were obvious targets.
There were rumblings about Buycks.
Everyone else though, seemingly out of nowhere.
Inside scuttlebut had him as a virtual lock for MU a couple of weeks ago. What happened?
i agree "not all the time" Jumail Jones was Mu's top target for months and months
I have a feeling MU is sitting alright with VB. I wouldn't be surprised either way.
Quote from: dennycrane on September 10, 2009, 09:05:20 PMInside scuttlebut had him as a virtual lock for MU a couple of weeks ago. What happened
It did? Never heard that. I just heard people thinking that Maymon switching from number 22 to 25 and him being at the camp made him have a high interested in us. From what I have heard, the big time favorite has been Wisconsin ever since he committed, minus about the 2 weeks following his decommitment.
I'll go on the record saying I believe Blue will commit to MU. 99% confidence.
I will also go on the record saying that i am 99.9% confident that he will commit. He was born to play wear the blue and gold
Do you have any inside information or just a feeling/hope?
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2009, 07:34:06 PM
If we get Blue, it will be the first time under Buzz that we signed a recruit that everybody new for months we were working on, one that we were in a clear competition to get. Until now, every time Buzz signs a recruit, it comes out of left field and we go through a "who's he, how big, we beat who?!?!, damn, I didn't know we were even looking at this guy" progression. Landing Blue would be the complete opposite of that. So, my prediction is that Blue goes elsewhere and two days later we sign somebody at the same position ranked equally high that nobody knew we were close on.
I want to see both you and ecompt stick your thumbs in an electrical outlet. Vander will be the next legendary Warrior guard.
Does anyone have stats on athletes who commited to a school, decommtted and then actually ended up at the same school (vesus going elsewhere)!
Quote from: wadesworld on September 10, 2009, 09:28:54 PM
Do you have any inside information or just a feeling/hope?
No inside info, and to be honest I don't think anyone has any. After the debacle earlier this summer, Vander's doing the right thing by keeping things close to the vest. I've been impressed with the way he's handled things since Schultz's article came out.
I will say this, just reading between the recruiting lines, there's something there. I can't give 99% confidence, but I think MU is in very good shape.
Quote from: Daniel on September 10, 2009, 11:50:44 PM
Does anyone have stats on athletes who commited to a school, decommtted and then actually ended up at the same school (vesus going elsewhere)!
No real stats, but it seems to be fairly rare. Take a look at the class of 2009 just for guys in the Top 100:
Xavier Henry - decommitted from Memphis, committed to Kansas
DeMarcus Cousins - decommitted from UAB, committed to Memphis, decommitted from Memphis, committed to Kentucky
Renardo Sidney - decommitted from USC, committed to Mississippi State
Abdul Gaddy - decommitted from Arizona, recommitted to Arizona, decommitted from Arizona again, committed to Washington
Tommy Mason-Griffin - decommitted from LSU, committed to Oklahoma State
Noel Johnson - decommitted from USC, committed to Clemson
Nolan Dennis - decommitted from Memphis, committed to Baylor
Terrell Vinson - decommitted from Loyola Marymount, committed to UMass
Soloman Hill - decommitted from USC, committed to Arizona
Mike Moser - decommitted from Arizona, committed to UCLA
Dashonte Riley - decommitted from Georgetown, committed to Syracuse
DeShawn Painter - decommitted from Florida, committed to NC State
Marshawn Powell - decommitted from Arkansas, recommitted to Arkansas
Derrick Williams - decommitted from USC, committed to Arizona
Demetrius Walker - decommitted from USC, committed to Arizona State
Kevin Parrom - decommitted from Xavier, committed to Arizona
Daniel Miller - decommitted from Georgia, committed to Georgia Tech
So in total, only two players recommitted to the school that they originally decommitted from, but one of those ended up decommitting again. The important thing to remember though, is that most of these occurred for one of two reasons. Either the coaches changed, so the player was no longer interested in the school or the "decommit" was code for the player getting their offer pulled. When you look at it like that, only one of the situations was really like Blue's, and that was Marshawn Powell the one player that ended up recommitting to his school and staying there.
Quote from: Daniel on September 10, 2009, 11:50:44 PM
Does anyone have stats on athletes who commited to a school, decommtted and then actually ended up at the same school (vesus going elsewhere)!
There were 17 highly ranked recruits on BMA's list (BTW-nice analysis). I don't care what the reasons were, its obvious that the odds are once they decommit, they don't look back. I like the odds in MU favor right now.
BMA,
Thanks for the breakdown. I rely a lot on your analysis and it is much appreciated. I do believe every situation is unique like you mentioned so it is hard to look at history and predict what will happen.
There is some sick part of me that wants him just to go out of state... put the whole drama behind us. I really wonder if he thinks the same despite wanting to be close to home?
Quote from: nyg on September 11, 2009, 05:33:53 AM
There were 17 highly ranked recruits on BMA's list (BTW-nice analysis). I don't care what the reasons were, its obvious that the odds are once they decommit, they don't look back. I like the odds in MU favor right now.
You can't just throw out the reasons for the decommitment, it's the most important part of the analysis. The reason the player decommitted is 99% of the time the reason they don't look back to begin with.
I wouldn't rule us out for Blue just because most of our commits come out of left field. Each situation is different. Vander is talked about a lot on this board because he is a local product. Same with Tokoto. When it comes to guessing on where will Blue commit, I am going with MU and here is why:
1. Close with Maymon and family
2. I believe he likes our style of play
3. I believe when he commited to UW, he ruled out MU because of the coaching change and not knowing anything about Buzz and his style of play
4. While I think a lot of posts on Badgernation are smear campaigns, there is usually some semblence of truth behind some of them. Red and others have posted numerous times that Buzz and Maymon were in Blue's ear all the while he was commited to UW. I think Blue being close to Maymon, he saw a lot of things up close that he liked about MU.
5. I believe his de-commitment from UW has a direct relation with him liking what he saw about MU last year.
6. I think Blue being blownup by the local media and UW followers had two affects on his mind. The first is that he was angry at UW and wanted nothing to do with them. The second was that he felt the big time pressure of local Madison loyalists turning the screws on him having to commit to UW while bashing the program he wants to go to, MU. Great tactic by the rodents. Show Blue how miserable he senior year can be if he commits to a rival.
7. I believe that big time pressure forced Blue into distancing himself from MU, at least initially, as he knows life will not be easy in Madison if he commits to MU.
8. I believe that is why he listed and is interested in some far far far away big programs.
9. I believe he wants to play close to home for his family but he still feels the sting of what he went through.
10. I believe he will ultimately do what he wants to do which is to happily commit to MU where his family can still see him regularly.
None of this is inside information just my impressions on this whole situation.
Jesus mufanatic...is your world filled with pink unicorns that crap $100 bills too?
I'm all for being an optimist, but you have taken gigantic leaps of logic in MU's favor every time you could.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 11, 2009, 11:17:18 AM
Jesus mufanatic...is your world filled with pink unicorns that crap $100 bills too?
I'm all for being an optimist, but you have taken gigantic leaps of logic in MU's favor every time you could.
;D
It's Marquette for Blue.
If we had a kid named Gold playing for us, Blue would be a natural addition :)
None of us know anything (as least I don't) so let's hope he chooses MU, soon! Come on Blue!
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 11, 2009, 11:17:18 AM
Jesus mufanatic...is your world filled with pink unicorns that crap $100 bills too?
I'm all for being an optimist, but you have taken gigantic leaps of logic in MU's favor every time you could.
Oh if only it was that great but why shouldn't I be so optimistic? All I read from posters about Blue's situation is pessimism. He did open up his recruitment for a reason did he not???? Now Blue could very well succumb to external pressure and re-commit to Madison but it is pretty obvious from his actions over the last few months that he is at least somewhat interested in coming to MU.
Quote from: bma725 on September 11, 2009, 12:13:59 AM
No real stats, but it seems to be fairly rare. Take a look at the class of 2009 just for guys in the Top 100:
Xavier Henry - decommitted from Memphis, committed to Kansas
DeMarcus Cousins - decommitted from UAB, committed to Memphis, decommitted from Memphis, committed to Kentucky
Renardo Sidney - decommitted from USC, committed to Mississippi State
Abdul Gaddy - decommitted from Arizona, recommitted to Arizona, decommitted from Arizona again, committed to Washington
Tommy Mason-Griffin - decommitted from LSU, committed to Oklahoma State
Noel Johnson - decommitted from USC, committed to Clemson
Nolan Dennis - decommitted from Memphis, committed to Baylor
Terrell Vinson - decommitted from Loyola Marymount, committed to UMass
Soloman Hill - decommitted from USC, committed to Arizona
Mike Moser - decommitted from Arizona, committed to UCLA
Dashonte Riley - decommitted from Georgetown, committed to Syracuse
DeShawn Painter - decommitted from Florida, committed to NC State
Marshawn Powell - decommitted from Arkansas, recommitted to Arkansas
Derrick Williams - decommitted from USC, committed to Arizona
Demetrius Walker - decommitted from USC, committed to Arizona State
Kevin Parrom - decommitted from Xavier, committed to Arizona
Daniel Miller - decommitted from Georgia, committed to Georgia Tech
So in total, only two players recommitted to the school that they originally decommitted from, but one of those ended up decommitting again. The important thing to remember though, is that most of these occurred for one of two reasons. Either the coaches changed, so the player was no longer interested in the school or the "decommit" was code for the player getting their offer pulled. When you look at it like that, only one of the situations was really like Blue's, and that was Marshawn Powell the one player that ended up recommitting to his school and staying there.
Thanks BMA - great stuff. It just goes to show that we cannot guess what Blue will do. But hoping that he is one who decommits permanently and then commits pernaenetly with MU! Can you imagine the t-shirts/sayings we could come up with with Blue on the team?! Would be so fun, and a great fit for him and MU.
I don't know know where Blue ends up----but I think he has some Brett Favre in him in that he likes all the attention out of his "will he or won't he". But I also understand that it's quite possible he doesn't end up in Div 1 next year pending his academic qualifications.
Umm why are we talking about his academic qualifications... you don't know how he stands or his GPA. You are just making assumptions that that are none of your business.
On top of that vander has done nothing to warrant that type of criticism about him acting like brett favre. He has not put himself out there into the spot light. He hasn't made a spectacle out of this situation. quit being a snake and putting this 17 year old kid down.
Vanderr's 'academic issues' was a creation of a Badger sportswriter in Bo's pocket. I hope we get him. Just because I have a hunch doesn't mean I wouldn't love to be wrong. It would be a coup and his game and Buzz' style would be a good match. And Murf, if you wish to dis him, make sure you do it on the Badger boards, since he has said previously he actually reads on-line comments about him.
Murf, you have no idea what is going on in his head...so don't make assumptions.
Has Blue indicated when he'll make his decision? Will it be during the Fall signing period?
Quote from: muarmy81 on September 12, 2009, 04:42:41 PM
Has Blue indicated when he'll make his decision? Will it be during the Fall signing period?
Wants to have everything done by the start of the HS season. He took the ACT today.
Well, I hope that Blue has done well on the ACT for his own sake. He would be a great get at Marquette, and a great fit that would benefit him and Marquette. I really think he would excel here, and would better and better at b-ball while getting a great education.
Quote from: tower912 on September 12, 2009, 04:29:05 PM
Vanderr's 'academic issues' was a creation of a Badger sportswriter in Bo's pocket. I hope we get him. Just because I have a hunch doesn't mean I wouldn't love to be wrong. It would be a coup and his game and Buzz' style would be a good match. And Murf, if you wish to dis him, make sure you do it on the Badger boards, since he has said previously he actually reads on-line comments about him.
They say Brett Favre watches ESPN to hear comments on his mind games too.
Quote from: Murffieus on September 12, 2009, 06:57:14 PM
They say Brett Favre watches ESPN to hear comments on his mind games too.
Based on your posts, I would say YOU are the one that likes all of the attention.
I think we get him. MU seems to always get very solid guards, especially in the last 25 years, we've been a guard machine.
chicos, what brought about the about-face? Didn't you post recently that you thought bucky would get him? Not calling you on it, just curious about the change of opinion.
Quote from: Boone on September 12, 2009, 08:14:11 PM
chicos, what brought about the about-face? Didn't you post recently that you thought bucky would get him? Not calling you on it, just curious about the change of opinion.
It's Buzz, Buzz. ;)
I have no idea where he's going but if you would ask me why the change, maybe it's the arrests in Madison. Not sure, just have a feeling if he stays in state this is where he goes. If not in state, Arizona. MU has always landed very good guards going back decades.
I think if I were Blue, the arrests at UW-Madison would reignite my interest in them..., as the loss of two guards would seem to provide for a better opportunity for him. ?
Quote from: augoman on September 12, 2009, 09:28:09 PM
I think if I were Blue, the arrests at UW-Madison would reignite my interest in them..., as the loss of two guards would seem to provide for a better opportunity for him. ?
Neither of those guards were going to take PT away from Blue.
Quote from: augoman on September 12, 2009, 09:28:09 PM
I think if I were Blue, the arrests at UW-Madison would reignite my interest in them..., as the loss of two guards would seem to provide for a better opportunity for him. ?
I don't think so, one was a walk-on and the other is far below his ability. Blue will get his playing time no matter what. I look at it as it gives him another reason (excuse) for cover from the locals who will go nuts if he doesn't go there.
I just feel the arrests will have little to nothing to do with Blue's decision. Still praying he wants to be here at MU :)
Quote from: GOMU1104 on September 12, 2009, 07:09:59 PM
Based on your posts, I would say YOU are the one that likes all of the attention.
Look-----I've paid my dues.
Very seldom to I start a thread-----but I have things to say to people who do start threads.
Quote from: Murffieus on September 12, 2009, 06:57:14 PM
They say Brett Favre watches ESPN to hear comments on his mind games too.
They say you're crazy...
Quote from: Murffieus on September 12, 2009, 04:07:24 PM
I don't know know where Blue ends up----but I think he has some Brett Favre in him in that he likes all the attention out of his "will he or won't he". But I also understand that it's quite possible he doesn't end up in Div 1 next year pending his academic qualifications.
By all reports Vander was pushed towards Wisconsin by his Mom and most of those close to him in his community. Originally he acquiesced, as most 16 year old kids will do. He's grown up a bit and is no longer sure UW is the best fit for him. Instead of applauding the courage and maturity required to say no to all those pressuring him you draw some idiotic Favre comparison. And for good measure you toss in mean spirited innuendo about his academic credentials. If I didn't know better I'd think you were a Badger booster.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 13, 2009, 11:06:55 AM
By all reports Vander was pushed towards Wisconsin by his Mom and most of those close to him in his community. Originally he acquiesced, as most 16 year old kids will do. He's grown up a bit and is no longer sure UW is the best fit for him. Instead of applauding the courage and maturity required to say no to all those pressuring him you draw some idiotic Favre comparison. And for good measure you toss in mean spirited innuendo about his academic credentials. If I didn't know better I'd think you were a Badger booster.
I'm just going by what I read on the boards and connect the dots. He likes to read the mesage boards-----by changing his mind he draws attention to himself-----wears our t-shirt in public in Madison to stir the water---and he has some classroom problems-----that's what I read.
Having said that, I would love to have him at MU as I think he's a tremendous talent-----like D Wade or Devin Harris talent.
Quote from: Murffieus on September 13, 2009, 12:00:56 PM
I'm just going by what I read on the boards and connect the dots. He likes to read the mesage boards-----by changing his mind he draws attention to himself-----wears our t-shirt in public in Madison to stir the water---and he has some classroom problems-----that's what I read.
Having said that, I would love to have him at MU as I think he's a tremendous talent-----like D Wade or Devin Harris talent.
Actually, Murff, if you read these various boards, the only thing that is certain is that nothing is for sure on any side of the topic. As far as academics, you and I and the rest of the posters on these boards have no clue. All hearsay from Rob Shultz(sp?).
Quote from: Murffieus on September 13, 2009, 12:00:56 PM
Having said that, I would love to have him at MU as I think he's a tremendous talent-----like D Wade or Devin Harris talent.
I just want him to make a decision so I don't have to read any more hyperbole like this.
Quote from: Nukem2 on September 13, 2009, 12:31:35 PM
Actually, Murff, if you read these various boards, the only thing that is certain is that nothing is for sure on any side of the topic. As far as academics, you and I and the rest of the posters on these boards have no clue. All hearsay from Rob Shultz(sp?).
I'm not saying he's a dummy or anything like that-----but I understand he hasn't put the time in on the books up to this point as he should have-----happens a lot to HS athletes!
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 13, 2009, 01:59:35 PM
I just want him to make a decision so I don't have to read any more hyperbole like this.
Sultan-----hyperbole you say-----but I submitt to you on the basis of what I've seen that Blue is as good as either
Wade or Harris coming out of HS-----the experts think so as well as neither Wade or Harris were anywhere near as highly ranked as Blue is currently!
Quote from: Murffieus on September 13, 2009, 02:47:44 PM
Sultan-----hyperbole you say-----but I submitt to you on the basis of what I've seen that Blue is as good as either
Wade or Harris coming out of HS-----the experts think so as well as neither Wade or Harris were anywhere near as highly ranked as Blue is currently!
Just because the experts underrated both Wade and Harris, doesn't mean that Blue is underrated as well. I just think it is silly to compare him to two NBA all-stars before he has even played his senior year of high school.
Can we just drop this. Murf makes comments like this for attention. If you just ignore him, he will go away. It will get worse before it gets better, so just pay no attention to him.
GoMU-----Make comments like what?
Are you disputing that Vander Blue isn't in the same type of talent as Devin Harris & D Wade coming out of HS?
The consensus is that Blue is top 30----Harris wasn't even ranked and D Wade was no where near top 30 in the rankings!
Not saying that Blue makes the NBA (maybe, maybe not)----depends how he develops post HS.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on September 13, 2009, 03:09:25 PM
Can we just drop this. Murf makes comments like this for attention. If you just ignore him, he will go away. It will get worse before it gets better, so just pay no attention to him.
Thanks Mom, but I'm sure I can handle it.
Quote from: Murffieus on September 13, 2009, 03:53:03 PM
GoMU-----Make comments like what?
Are you disputing that Vander Blue isn't in the same type of talent as Devin Harris & D Wade coming out of HS?
The consensus is that Blue is top 30----Harris wasn't even ranked and D Wade was no where near top 30 in the rankings!
Not saying that Blue makes the NBA (maybe, maybe not)----depends how he develops post HS.
So because Harris and Wade weren't ranked highly, or at all, we should compare every ranked player MU gets to D Wade because they're ranked higher therefore meaning they have the same level of talent? Like I said before, you're off on this one. Talk all you want about a player developing, but there are not many players talented enough to develop into what Harris and Wade have.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on September 13, 2009, 03:09:25 PM
Can we just drop this. Murf makes comments like this for attention. If you just ignore him, he will go away. It will get worse before it gets better, so just pay no attention to him.
Sadly, time and TOS has proven that not to be the case.
The man makes assumptions based upon whatever supports his agenda. he says that Vander's academics are an issue becuase he read it on the internet.
I read that Baraka Obama is an alien from another planet on the internet. He wants to eat my brain. I am just connecitng the dots. Sadly, ignoring him won't make a sad, lonely old man, grasping for long ago glory days go away.
Quote from: pbiflyer on September 13, 2009, 05:11:19 PMSadly, time and TOS has proven that not to be the case.
The man makes assumptions based upon whatever supports his agenda. he says that Vander's academics are an issue becuase he read it on the internet.
I read that Baraka Obama is an alien from another planet on the internet. He wants to eat my brain. I am just connecitng the dots. Sadly, ignoring him won't make a sad, lonely old man, grasping for long ago glory days go away.
Haha this is a great - and true - post.
Quote from: avid1010 on September 13, 2009, 05:09:25 PM
So because Harris and Wade weren't ranked highly, or at all, we should compare every ranked player MU gets to D Wade because they're ranked higher therefore meaning they have the same level of talent? Like I said before, you're off on this one. Talk all you want about a player developing, but there are not many players talented enough to develop into what Harris and Wade have.
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No I didn't say that every ranked player MU gets should be compared to D Wade-----where did you get that?-----what I did say is that Harris & Wade were not ranked anywhere near Blue (that should tell you something)----plus I saw Blue play and I saw Harris in HS and IMO there is rough equivilancy there. Others think Blue is better than Harris I won't go that far-----but very similar development at the HS level.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 13, 2009, 06:00:12 PM
Haha this is a great - and true - post.
I have heard from reliable sources that he has classroom problems-----also have read on the internet.
BTW-----why do you think such programs as Florida, UCLA, and Arizona are so interested in Blue------it's because he's an outstanding talent. You guys don't seem to think so------so why do you support the fact that MU is after him?
Quote from: Murffieus on September 13, 2009, 06:11:28 PM
I have heard from reliable sources that he has classroom problems-----also have read on the internet.
BTW-----why do you think such programs as Florida, UCLA, and Arizona are so interested in Blue------it's because he's an outstanding talent. You guys don't seem to think so------so why do you support the fact that MU is after him?
I don't think anyone is saying he isn't an outstanding talent. I think they are saying it is unfair to compare a high schooler to 2 NBA all-stars because he is ranked higher than them. By that logic, any player that is a guard ranked above where they are should be as good, which is completely crazy. If he is half of what D wade or Harris were we should be estatic. I think he will be very good wherever he goes, but to be saying we should expect that type of production is a bit crazy.
Good God, give it a rest. Some of you practically know what the poor kid ate for lunch today, as well as what he was thinking about while he was eating it. If he were a female the authorities would be closesly monitoring this thread.
Quote from: chapman on September 13, 2009, 07:36:08 PM
Good God, give it a rest. Some of you practically know what the poor kid ate for lunch today, as well as what he was thinking about while he was eating it. If he were a female the authorities would be closesly monitoring this thread.
Ha, couldn't agree more.
Quote from: chapman on September 13, 2009, 07:36:08 PM
Good God, give it a rest. Some of you practically know what the poor kid ate for lunch today, as well as what he was thinking about while he was eating it. If he were a female the authorities would be closesly monitoring this thread.
You're right....that's a double standard. The authorities should be called in!! ;D
This one is easy. If Vander gets his way he goes to MU. If Rita gets her way he goes to UW. My guess right now MU is in the lead, but it's close.
Quote from: thebadge10 on September 13, 2009, 09:13:34 PM
This one is easy. If Vander gets his way he goes to MU. If Rita gets her way he goes to UW. My guess right now MU is in the lead, but it's close.
I'm not sure whether the hole this badger crawled out of is located in reality but if it is today seems like a good day for Blue to continue his maturity as a person and make decisions that make himself happy. Besides, playing with a best friend would be pretty kickass.
Another thing is that it strikes me a little creepy that random people on the internet know enough about a prospect to tell us when they are taking the ACT. Yikes.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on September 13, 2009, 09:21:55 PM
Another thing is that it strikes me a little creepy that random people on the internet know enough about a prospect to tell us when they are taking the ACT. Yikes.
Blue himself made that known. He stated it in a recent interview.
Quote from: thebadge10 on September 13, 2009, 09:13:34 PM
This one is easy. If Vander gets his way he goes to MU. If Rita gets her way he goes to UW. My guess right now MU is in the lead, but it's close.
Yes, because UW-Madison is so academically superior....good grief. If I read that crap one more time over at Badger Nation I'll throw up in my mouth. Or the equally ridiculous, "MU is easy" crap from Swenson \ Redforeman. Both schools have places for athletes to accelerate and for him to make that kind of comment shows how far up Bo's ass he is.
Both are top 100 schools in the nation. Both have excellent basketball programs and strong fan support. Good luck wherever the young man chooses to attend. I just hope if he chooses anywhere other than UW-Madison, some of the complete mouth breathers over there will have the ability to lay off Rita and the kid. Something tells me they won't be able to.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 13, 2009, 06:36:03 PM
I don't think anyone is saying he isn't an outstanding talent. I think they are saying it is unfair to compare a high schooler to 2 NBA all-stars because he is ranked higher than them. By that logic, any player that is a guard ranked above where they are should be as good, which is completely crazy. If he is half of what D wade or Harris were we should be estatic. I think he will be very good wherever he goes, but to be saying we should expect that type of production is a bit crazy.
I'm not comparing Blue to Harris and Wade as NBA players-----I'm comparing him to Harris & Wade as HS players-----at the same level Blue is now! (apples to apples)
Quote from: thebadge10 on September 13, 2009, 09:13:34 PM
This one is easy. If Vander gets his way he goes to MU. If Rita gets her way he goes to UW. My guess right now MU is in the lead, but it's close.
Badge,
If he wants to go to Marquette as you say, why shouldn't he be allowed to? Do the Badgers really want a player that is being forced to go there by his mother? How happy will he be?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 14, 2009, 12:15:37 AM
Yes, because UW-Madison is so academically superior....good grief. If I read that crap one more time over at Badger Nation I'll throw up in my mouth. Or the equally ridiculous, "MU is easy" crap from Swenson \ Redforeman. Both schools have places for athletes to accelerate and for him to make that kind of comment shows how far up Bo's ass he is.
I always found it interesting that a good portion of the football team majors in "Agricultural Journalism." That was quarterback Tyler Donovan's major. I always wondered how a kid from Arrowhead became interested in becoming an agricultural journalist. ;)
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 14, 2009, 07:58:49 AM
I always found it interesting that a good portion of the football team majors in "Agricultural Journalism." That was quarterback Tyler Donovan's major. I always wondered how a kid from Arrowhead became interested in becoming an agricultural journalist. ;)
Must that crushing demand from those farm magazines for writers who want big bucks.... ;)
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 14, 2009, 07:58:49 AM
I always found it interesting that a good portion of the football team majors in "Agricultural Journalism." That was quarterback Tyler Donovan's major. I always wondered how a kid from Arrowhead became interested in becoming an agricultural journalist. ;)
Shhhh, we don't have a football program so we wouldn't understand how it works.
Ultimately, the parent's job is to try to influence their kid up to the moment of decision - and let the decision be the kid's - then once he makes it, you support the kid in his decision. So hopefully BLue goes where he really wants to go, and plays for the team he really wants to play for. And hopefully, for us and for him it's Marquette!
Go Marquette!
Quote from: Murffieus on September 14, 2009, 05:45:02 AM
I'm not comparing Blue to Harris and Wade as NBA players-----I'm comparing him to Harris & Wade as HS players-----at the same level Blue is now! (apples to apples)
That's exactly my point. You mentioned Wade and Harris were not well rated out of high school, so to compare apples to apples you would have to admit that close to every recruit MU gets is on par with Wade/Harris (apples to apples). That's just crazy. It's obvious that Wade and Harris were extremely underrated, and talent like that is few and far between. I don't believe MU will ever see a player as talented as Wade again, and from the practices I attended while Wade was sitting his first year, and from TC's comments during that time, it was quickly obvious that D Wade was the best player on the team from the minute he set foot on campus. I don't think Blue will be the best player on the team in his first year, and having said that, and seeing him play, I definitely think he could develop into NBA material. To compare him to Wade is completely unfair to Blue as he's not blessed with the natural body/talent that Wade was.
Does anyone have any insight as to why he is mysteriously missing from Marquette's recruiting page on ESPN?
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/school?page=considering&season=2010&schoolId=269&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fschool%3fpage%3dconsidering%26season%3d2010%26schoolId%3d269 (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/school?page=considering&season=2010&schoolId=269&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fschool%3fpage%3dconsidering%26season%3d2010%26schoolId%3d269)
Quote from: packermania on September 15, 2009, 03:50:58 AM
Does anyone have any insight as to why he is mysteriously missing from Marquette's recruiting page on ESPN?
That list is so out of date, its not even funny. Dont take any stock in it.
can we please lock this thread it is an embarrassmnet to our program and university
Ditto, Mr. H., ditto.
wildbillsb
First time I've agreed with Hayward. This is getting ridiculous, if not utterly embarrassing. I would expect to see this stuff on the badger board.
What did Chicos say that was out of line. Murff is the one who went way out of bounds on this one. Chicos just got off several nifty shots at our "friends" to the West.
I started this thread because of a hunch, an opinion. We are all allowed them. On this board, and on the other, there is one person who consistently takes a thread off track to his agenda. Do what I did. I reached my limit and put him on ignore. On both boards. Mods don't have to decide anything. Nobody responds and eventually the message is sent.
Quote from: avid1010 on September 14, 2009, 07:00:06 PM
That's exactly my point. You mentioned Wade and Harris were not well rated out of high school, so to compare apples to apples you would have to admit that close to every recruit MU gets is on par with Wade/Harris (apples to apples). That's just crazy. It's obvious that Wade and Harris were extremely underrated, and talent like that is few and far between. I don't believe MU will ever see a player as talented as Wade again, and from the practices I attended while Wade was sitting his first year, and from TC's comments during that time, it was quickly obvious that D Wade was the best player on the team from the minute he set foot on campus. I don't think Blue will be the best player on the team in his first year, and having said that, and seeing him play, I definitely think he could develop into NBA material. To compare him to Wade is completely unfair to Blue as he's not blessed with the natural body/talent that Wade was.
Wrong----not every "high recruit" MU gets is "on a par with Harris/Wade.
I didn't say that about DJ (even when he was burning up the BE as a frosh)-----I'm not saying that about Cadougan------(both were ranked about where Blue is ranked today-----I am saying that though about Vander Blue-----you confirm as much when you say he "definetly could develop into NBA material".
Quote from: Murffieus on September 16, 2009, 06:16:56 AM
Wrong----not every "high recruit" MU gets is "on a par with Harris/Wade.
I didn't say that about DJ (even when he was burning up the BE as a frosh)-----I'm not saying that about Cadougan------(both were ranked about where Blue is ranked today-----I am saying that though about Vander Blue-----you confirm as much when you say he "definetly could develop into NBA material".
So with a guy like Blue what do you see that makes you believe that he could turn into a special talent in the NBA? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just curious what puts him over the top in your mind?
Quote from: Murffieus on September 16, 2009, 06:16:56 AM
Wrong----not every "high recruit" MU gets is "on a par with Harris/Wade.
I didn't say that about DJ (even when he was burning up the BE as a frosh)-----I'm not saying that about Cadougan------(both were ranked about where Blue is ranked today-----I am saying that though about Vander Blue-----you confirm as much when you say he "definetly could develop into NBA material".
Developing into NBA material is as much about working hard as being smart as it is about talent. Look at JaRon Rush v. Travis Deiner. I wonder how many people thought that Diener would be cashing NBA paychecks longer than Rush would when they were seniors?
Any high level college basketball player can develop into NBA material. Most of them don't.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 16, 2009, 08:34:46 AM
Developing into NBA material is as much about working hard as being smart as it is about talent. Look at JaRon Rush v. Travis Deiner. I wonder how many people thought that Diener would be cashing NBA paychecks longer than Rush would when they were seniors?
Any high level college basketball player can develop into NBA material. Most of them don't.
really?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 16, 2009, 08:29:04 AM
So with a guy like Blue what do you see that makes you believe that he could turn into a special talent in the NBA? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just curious what puts him over the top in your mind?
Dude, have you seen him play? Some of us can recognize talent when we see it.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 16, 2009, 09:48:40 AM
Dude, have you seen him play? Some of us can recognize talent when we see it.
Recognizing talent is one thing. Making the leap that an incredible high-school talent can successfully become an elite college player and then again to become an elite NBA player requires some mental gymnastics that I'm not capable of.
I'm wondering if there is something in particular or if you're just riding Blue's nuts?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 16, 2009, 09:48:40 AM
Dude, have you seen him play? Some of us can recognize talent when we see it.
Agreed. He's in a class like Brian Butch. His talent is undeniable.
Come on man, 002. Blue is quick on quick, got the shot and handle, and can finish. In the state tourney, he was the most college-ready playa on the floor as a junior including Maymon, Wilson, and Anderson.
BB was just an AWB.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 16, 2009, 10:35:14 AM
Come on man, 002. Blue is quick on quick, got the shot and handle, and can finish. In the state tourney, he was the most college-ready playa on the floor as a junior including Maymon, Wilson, and Anderson.
BB was just an AWB.
I saw those games.
He's a player, for certain.
Not sure I can project him as an NBA player. Too many variables at his age. There are very few can't miss players.
I don't know the numbers, but a very small number of players ranked in the top 100 in high school basketball actually make it to the NBA.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 16, 2009, 08:29:04 AM
So with a guy like Blue what do you see that makes you believe that he could turn into a special talent in the NBA? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just curious what puts him over the top in your mind?
I didn't predict that Blue would be in the NBA post Div1-----what I did say is that at this stage of his career he is as good (ballpark good) as D Harris & D Wade.
I saw Blue in the State Tourney last March-----he's every bit as athletic as D Wade and D Harris were in HS------he's a better shooter both off the pullup and from behind the arc than either D Wade or D Harris in HS-----and he's almost as quick as both were in HS, taking it to the hoop-----although D Wade was stronger.
Now whether his attitude is as positive as Harris/Wade's that will allow him to develop to the NBA level, I don't know-----but he is a great talent right now.
Quote from: Murffieus on September 16, 2009, 04:41:20 PM
I didn't predict that Blue would be in the NBA post Div1-----what I did say is that at this stage of his career he is as good (ballpark good) as D Harris & D Wade.
I saw Blue in the State Tourney last March-----he's every bit as athletic as D Wade and D Harris were in HS------he's a better shooter both off the pullup and from behind the arc than either D Wade or D Harris in HS-----and he's almost as quick as both were in HS, taking it to the hoop-----although D Wade was stronger.
Now whether his attitude is as positive as Harris/Wade's that will allow him to develop to the NBA level, I don't know-----but he is a great talent right now.
Good to hear I hope we get Blue.
I remember a few years ago there was this guy on another MU board who was telling anyone who would listen that Keaton Nankivil was the best player he had seen and would be great. Hopefully your basketball eye is better than that loser, Murffessius.
Quote from: Stone Cold on September 16, 2009, 04:46:51 PM
Good to hear I hope we get Blue.
I remember a few years ago there was this guy on another MU board who was telling anyone who would listen that Keaton Nankivil was the best player he had seen and would be great. Hopefully your basketball eye is better than that loser, Murffessius.
Keaton isn't used correctly!
IMHO he should be put in the wide post where he could excel!! Bo is a great coach, but he hasn't adjusted his system to fit his stud players!
As a junior, I said that Keaton would be the best player in the State of Wisconsin the next year-----and he was ----(Mr BB & Gatorade POY). Also said that he would be one of the best HS players all time in Wisconsin----fell a little short there).
Has a loads of ability (size, athleticism, poise, strong, has excellent moves to the hoop and is a very good shot) but is too laid back when he gets the ball (was that way in HS ----e.g. looks to pass first rather than than putting it up or taking it to the hoop----should be encouraged to take the initiative on that more-----seems like he is afraid to take the initiative out of fear that he will miss the shot or mess up the opportunity. Needs encouragement on that from Bo.
Tom Crean saw the same thing I did/do in Keaton-----he really put a full court press on him to get him to attend MU------probably worked harder to get him than any other recruit in the 9 years he was here.
Quote from: 2002mualum on September 16, 2009, 05:59:05 PM
Keaton isn't used correctly!
IMHO he should be put in the wide post where he could excel!! Bo is a great coach, but he hasn't adjusted his system to fit his stud players!
agree- rather than make the most of his players' talents, Bo makes the players fit his schemes. IMO he ruined Butch and is misusing Nankavil.
I do think Nankivil would have been more productive to this point at MU, as I think both TC and Buzz would have challenged him to be more aggressive and innovative than apparently Bo has. Has to force himself to play outside of the box.
Nankivil would be better off the wide post as are most hybrids (did very well from there in HS)-----that position has been assummed the last two years by Landry, but of course is open this year, so maybe.
Quote from: augoman on September 16, 2009, 09:36:46 PM
agree- rather than make the most of his players' talents, Bo makes the players fit his schemes. IMO he ruined Butch and is misusing Nankavil.
HA!
I was really just trying to do a murf impression.
I do think Bo is a little too systematic at times, but I also think that great players can find ways to be successful in games. This isn't football. Hoops is a fluid game.