http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20090811/SPORTS02/908110350/Pitino+told+police+he+had+consensual+sex+with+Sypher
Allegedly paid $3000 for his mistress to have an abortion.
Quote from: Tom Crean's Tanning Bed on August 11, 2009, 08:12:07 PM
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20090811/SPORTS02/908110350/Pitino+told+police+he+had+consensual+sex+with+Sypher
Allegedly paid $3000 for his mistress to have an abortion.
Bad, bad, bad boy.
I'm sure Louisville doesn't want this maelstrom.
I'm far from joining the "socially conservative" club, but that's about as sick as it gets. I'm sure it happens more than we realize, but I'm sure glad Louisville isn't my team. I couldn't pull for that jerk.
I guess we now know why his son Richard left his job to join Donovan. Hell, I'd want nothing to do with my old man if he did something this disgraceful. I have to think this will affect recruiting as well as his image with cards fans. I may sound closed-minded, but I wouldn't want my 18 yr old son spending 4 years learning from a D-bag like this. Coaches not only have to teach basketball, but they have to teach young men how to be successful in life. We all make mistakes, but this is a tough one to look past.
I'm surprised that Pitino still had some strong swimmers at his advanced age.
Quote from: hdog1017 on August 11, 2009, 10:27:28 PM
I'm surprised that Pitino still had some strong swimmers at his advanced age.
Especially in those tight white pants
(http://images.athlonsports.com/d/8915-1/RickPitino1.jpg)
For all the people that have claimed Crean was a douche, well l think some recalibration of the douche meter is in order. This is doucheness at the top of the douche scale.
chicos- i don't even know if thats fair to all douches to say pitino is one. thats more along the lines of conniving, evil, heartless, words more cutting than douche, but i see what you're saying. he brings a new dimension to loserville.
could we maybe get a photo shop of a white swim cap on that picture, to resemble, you know. if slick rick manages to stay out of the slammer, he's going to face some tough road crowds this season. oh, how convenient, UL is playing at MU this year, hmmm.
Denny Green wannabe.
Ugly and a disgrace to the university. Can't even imagine what student sections will do when they are on the road. But does he survive?
In these tough times for a college, I like to pulse the opponents message boards to catch the vibe. Here are some good reads.
Thread asking about if there is proof of an abortion record:
http://louisville.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=2377&tid=124848316&mid=124848316&sid=923&style=2
The, it doesn't matter coach we support you 110% coach thread (that had to get bumped twice by the author for lack of support):
http://louisville.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=2377&tid=124848852&mid=124848852&sid=923&style=2
The, so, what exactly did he do wrong thread:
http://louisville.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=2377&tid=124849175&mid=124849175&sid=923&style=2
And of course, the various insults lobbed at Sypher are just grand. White trash, ho, gold digger, slut, skank...
I am seriously trying to think in my head, if the head coach at MU was caught banging his assistants wife in the back of Angelo's, then paid $3,000 to have an abortion. Would I come on to this board and see the threads like the ones above? I just don't see it, the coach would be sent packing a matter of seconds.
Wait, this is the same woman that was blackmailing him?
Now I'm not a fan of Pitino, but I wouldn't put it past this woman to start small - like telling him she needed $3,000 for an abortion(whether or not she was pregnant or not). Then seeing how easy it was, to ask for more to just be quiet.
This will not affect Pitino at all.
I am sure we will hear to ad nauseum from Dukie V. throughout the year about the toughness Pitino has displayed through this unfair situation that has beleagured slick Rick.
Quote from: reinko on August 12, 2009, 05:37:44 AM
In these tough times for a college, I like to pulse the opponents message boards to catch the vibe. Here are some good reads.
Thread asking about if there is proof of an abortion record:
http://louisville.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=2377&tid=124848316&mid=124848316&sid=923&style=2
The, it doesn't matter coach we support you 110% coach thread (that had to get bumped twice by the author for lack of support):
http://louisville.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=2377&tid=124848852&mid=124848852&sid=923&style=2
The, so, what exactly did he do wrong thread:
http://louisville.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=2377&tid=124849175&mid=124849175&sid=923&style=2
And of course, the various insults lobbed at Sypher are just grand. White trash, ho, gold digger, slut, skank...
I am seriously trying to think in my head, if the head coach at MU was caught banging his assistants wife in the back of Angelo's, then paid $3,000 to have an abortion. Would I come on to this board and see the threads like the ones above? I just don't see it, the coach would be sent packing a matter of seconds.
Just for clarification, she was not his assistant's wife when he was banging her, and it appears she met her husband as a result of the fact that Pitino was banging her. As for comparing this situation to what would happen at Marquette, I would hope that the university would act in a way consistent with Catholic teaching. I do not know if Marquette would or should automatically fire a coach who had an extramarital affair, but the abortion thing would surely get someone canned.
I have a feeling, Jim Nas is going to be in full force in the student section at the Louisville game.
When Syracuse had road conference games on tv, they asked the hosting school to take away all Devondorf signs so the conference wouldn't get a bad rep. Are they going to ask schools to do the same for Slick Rick signs.
Side note: One of the greatest moments had to be when the Bradley Center crowd, rather than applaud for the injured Devendorf, chanted "He Beats Women".
What happened to all the posters who are unwilling to be judge, jury, and executioner on message boards?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 12, 2009, 06:49:33 AM
What happened to all the posters who are unwilling to be judge, jury, and executioner on message boards?
The Louisville paper said Pitino has admitted all of this to police. It's not like he is denying it. The people you reference 4ever come out when someone has been accused but not proven guilty.
Quote from: Goatherder on August 12, 2009, 06:29:17 AM
Just for clarification, she was not his assistant's wife when he was banging her, and it appears she met her husband as a result of the fact that Pitino was banging her. As for comparing this situation to what would happen at Marquette, I would hope that the university would act in a way consistent with Catholic teaching. I do not know if Marquette would or should automatically fire a coach who had an extramarital affair, but the abortion thing would surely get someone canned.
Thanks for the clarification. But I think the circumstances of Pitino's extramarital affair also come into play here. I mena in the back of an italian restaurant? Just the sheer embarassment, lack of judgement, and stupidity should be enough to send him packing.
Quote from: reinko on August 12, 2009, 07:04:30 AM
Thanks for the clarification. But I think the circumstances of Pitino's extramarital affair also come into play here. I mean in the back of an Italian restaurant? Just the sheer embarrassment, lack of judgement, and stupidity should be enough to send him packing.
Let me start this by saying that I do not support or condone the actions of Slick Rick...
He is not going
anywhere. University has already said they were made aware of the situation from the beginning and their thoughts and prayers are with the Pitino Family. So he will not even take a leave of absence. I know what he did was quite repulsive, but unfortunately it is part of society. I am just glad the other woman tried to shoot the moon for the $10 MIL. If she had asked for let's say $100K, I bet she gets paid off and the world would never know this wonderful little nugget about him.
Quote from: muhoosier260 on August 12, 2009, 12:05:45 AM
if slick rick manages to stay out of the slammer, he's going to face some tough road crowds this season. oh, how convenient, UL is playing at MU this year, hmmm.
I was not aware that adultery was a crime in the US. To bad this didn't occur on a vacation to Tehran. ::)
Favorite quotes from the UL thread:
"Don't let your moral soap box ruin our basketball program. "
"You need to get behind your coach like he got behind Sypher.
"who am I to judge another mans mistakes. Now if he had done a poor job of coaching then he would get no love."
"Hush you self righteous dirtbag, you're probably just another redneck blue collar that plagues this state with failure. When your loser kids are wiping the floors of my kids we will see how nice your silly morals are."
"We are not BYU.We are not Notre Dame.Contrary to belief, this is not a religious University.... but still we are a public University. Most of us Americans believe in freedom of choice.Who are we to judge?Only a higher power has that right."
"If I had 5 children and love them to death, I wouldn't try to stop a woman whom I barely knew from having an abortion (if that she get knocked up by me)."
PRICELESS!
Pitino should not step down. He should grow a moustache, start wearing open collared shirts, skin tight pants and a ton of jewelry. He should embrace his new image!!
Now to figure out how to reference this in the gold mine next year....
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 12, 2009, 06:49:33 AM
What happened to all the posters who are unwilling to be judge, jury, and executioner on message boards?
Well, usually I take that route.
Obviously I don't know all of the details on Rick's situation... but it certainly doesn't look good.
He's already admitted to an affair, which
could be his first time cheating... but more likely its just his first time getting caught.
I have to agree with some of the posters on the louisville boards.
I mean is it any of our business what any of the posters on MUSCOOP.COM do with their wives, GF's, Mistresses and gay lovers?
Then its none of our effing business what Pitino does in his.
Disagree Cain, I won't blast you for your opinion.
But the Head Coach of a major sport is one of the most visible people at a university. MU could care less if I cheated on my wife in the back of a Maggianos. That's life. People in power are held to higher standards, and the fact they make millions of dollars to be a spokesman and set a good example they should be held to a higher standard.
Quote from: Gwaki on August 12, 2009, 08:27:23 AM
Now to figure out how to reference this in the gold mine next year....
First off we're going to have to make sure that our Coaches keep their wives far away from any Restaurant that Pitino is dining in.
Secondly, if any student needs an abortion they should ask Pitino for a little cash.
Third, not only will Louisville players not graduate but they're being taught life-lessons by a rapist.
Cosign, reinko. For most big programs, collegiate sports are not about the glory of athletics, the purity of putting a ball through a hoop or across a goal-line. Programs have a lot to do with the national reputation of your brand for your educational institution.
When your #1 most visible person at your university is now viewed as a scumbag who has sex in restaurants, then pays for an abortion (if you're against that sort of thing) .. your national brand takes quite a hit.
That being said, he won't be fired. That's Louisville for you.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on August 12, 2009, 09:23:17 AM
That being said, he won't be fired. That's Louisville for you.
Sadly, it's not just Louisville. You can bet that if Louisville did take the high road and fired him (which they won't), a bunch of high-profile schools would be lining up to talk to Pitino to see who could throw the most $ at him.
I'm quite certain (and proud to say) that MU would not be one of those schools.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on August 12, 2009, 09:23:17 AM
Cosign, reinko. For most big programs, collegiate sports are not about the glory of athletics, the purity of putting a ball through a hoop or across a goal-line. Programs have a lot to do with the national reputation of your brand for your educational institution.
When your #1 most visible person at your university is now viewed as a scumbag who has sex in restaurants, then pays for an abortion (if you're against that sort of thing) .. your national brand takes quite a hit.
That being said, he won't be fired. That's Louisville for you.
Louisville has already done the cost/benefit analysis. In their eyes, dropping Pitino would be a bigger hit than keeping him therefore you can't blame them for doing so. MU, for a good reason, has a higher standard.
Planned Parenthood should sign a sponsorship deal with Louisville.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 12, 2009, 09:46:18 AM
Louisville has already done the cost/benefit analysis. In their eyes, dropping Pitino would be a bigger hit than keeping him therefore you can't blame them for doing so. MU, for a good reason, has a higher standard.
You can't blame them for having low standards? For valuing basketball success above all else?
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on August 12, 2009, 09:23:17 AM
Cosign, reinko. For most big programs, collegiate sports are not about the glory of athletics, the purity of putting a ball through a hoop or across a goal-line. Programs have a lot to do with the national reputation of your brand for your educational institution.
When your #1 most visible person at your university is now viewed as a scumbag who has sex in restaurants, then pays for an abortion (if you're against that sort of thing) .. your national brand takes quite a hit.
That being said, he won't be fired. That's Louisville for you.
I'm curious as to what he should be fired for.
As morally reprehensible as his acts may be to many of us, he did nothing illegal here. He had an affair and then provided someone with funds which may or may not have been used for a wholly legal medical procedure. He may be a person of dubious morals, but if we fired people for that the unemployment rate would triple.
Are we really advocating that someone lose their job because he or she participating in the procurement of a legal procedure because we find it offensive (or worse)? Are we advocating a state in which cheating on one's spouse - a sin which literally millions and millions have committed - costs you your employment?
Pitino, no doubt, will suffer mightily for his actions, and that's appropriate. But this business about him being paid to set a good example? Pfft. After everything we've learned about our athletic heroes since Jim Bouton, is anyone really so naive as to believe that? He's paid millions
to coach basketball, and if he does that well, few will care that he banged some gold digger, maybe knocked her up and went along with her decision to have an abortion. I mean, do you really believe this is a rare occurrence in the sports world?
Let me be clear here: I'm not defending Pitino's actions. They were morally reprehensible. But since when did we start terminating employment - or, as one here goes as far to suggest, imprisoning - people for that?
p.s. Having sex in a closed restaurant makes you a scumbag? Are we really so puritanical that we judge people so harshly based on the location of private sexual encounters? Is there a list out there dictating where it is and is not permissible, and under what circumstances, to engage in such behavior?
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on August 12, 2009, 09:54:59 AM
You can't blame them for having low standards? For valuing basketball success above all else?
The UL administration is doing what they believe is in their best interests. I blame their fanbase more than I blame their administration. The MU fanbase would not put up with that for a variety of reasons.
<<quote: p.s. Having sex in a closed restaurant makes you a scumbag? Are we really so puritanical that we judge people so harshly based on the location of private sexual encounters? Is there a list out there dictating where it is and is not permissible, and under what circumstances, to engage in such behavior?>>
He's a scumbag for putting his wife of 33 years through this...so it doesn't matter where it took place, but that it happened.
As to the last question...just throwing it out there...on an altar, in front of a school, in a public bus...
On a lighter note, I look forward to the Karen Cunagin Sypher BIG HEAD when Looserville visits! ;D
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 12, 2009, 10:04:52 AM
The UL administration is doing what they believe is in their best interests. I blame their fanbase more than I blame their administration. The MU fanbase would not put up with that for a variety of reasons.
Glad you acknowledged that...
However, I can see why some UL supporters are calling this cow manure.
http://thevillevoice.com/2009/04/28/syphers-pitino-claim-not-a-first/
Sypher's Pitino Claim Not a FirstApril 28th, 2009 by rickredding
Karen Sypher, the woman charged with trying to extort money from Rick Pitino, filed a sexual harassment suit in 2001 against a former employer.
Sypher, then Karen Wise, worked at an auto body shop until she was fired in 2001. She filed the suit against her former employer, now deceased, claiming that while sharing a room on a business trip that he engaged in kissing, grabbing and making romantic attempts at her.
WHAS-TV was the only local media outlet to report the story last night.
She asked for $200,000, including $101,000 for emotional pain and suffering, and claimed in the suit she was "shocked, distressed and depressed" after being fired. Her attorney then, as now, was Thomas Clay.
According to the WHAS-TV report, the suit was settled out of court.
Elsewhere in the suit, she claimed the employer at one point pushed her against a wall, grabbed her clothes and kissed her.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 12, 2009, 09:57:19 AM
I'm curious as to what he should be fired for.
As morally reprehensible as his acts may be to many of us, he did nothing illegal here.
And losing basketball games isn't illegal either, but coaches get fired for it all the time. I know that people will say, "but running a successful basketball program (
i.e., not losing) is his job, and coaches can get fired if they don't do their job." And being the face of the basketball program -- if not the university -- is also the coach's job. At some schools (presumably Marquette) Pitino's actions would be so troubling that the school would conclude that he's not doing that part of his job well enough and fire him. At other schools (apparently Louisville) they don't think that such behavior is serious enough to warrant firing him.
I wonder if there are any personal character standards in his contract. It's getting more and more common in professional sports. I wonder if those clauses have found their way into college coaches' contracts.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 12, 2009, 10:14:07 AM
And losing basketball games isn't illegal either, but coaches get fired for it all the time. I know that people will say, "but running a successful basketball program (i.e., not losing) is his job, and coaches can get fired if they don't do their job." And being the face of the basketball program -- if not the university -- is also the coach's job. At some schools (presumably Marquette) Pitino's actions would be so troubling that the school would conclude that he's not doing that part of his job well enough and fire him. At other schools (apparently Louisville) they don't think that such behavior is serious enough to warrant firing him.
I wonder if there are any personal character standards in his contract. It's getting more and more common in professional sports. I wonder if those clauses have found their way into college coaches' contracts.
To answer your question ... Pitino does have a personal conduct clause in his contract, and Louisville, at this time, seems unlikely to exercise it.
Regarding losing basketball games not being illegal ... not sure what your point is. Pitino was hired to win basketball games. If he fails in that regard, he should be fired because he is not meeting the expectations of his employment. Pitino, to the best of my knowledge, was not hired to be a shining beacon of morality for the fine people of Kentucky and college basketball fans the world over.
If the UL determines his behavior is the source of serious or irreperable harm to the school and/or basketball program, then they're certainly within their rights to dismiss him. But let's come down off the high horse and stop pretending that athletic figures are paid - or should be expected - to set a good example. They're not, and people who have such expectations will find themselves perpetually disappointed.
Quote from: hdog1017 on August 11, 2009, 10:27:28 PM
I'm surprised that Pitino still had some strong swimmers at his advanced age.
HAHAHAHAHA, took me a second but thats fantastic...
I always felt like there was something fishy about patino, he emits an aura of deuchbag that i've always hated.
Pitino's contract has a "morality clause." See section 6.1.2
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20090812/SPORTS02/90812007/1002/sports
Who knows what is in his contract .. but there's a chance there's a "morals clause". (edit: spoke too soon, thanks Sultan)
http://definitions.uslegal.com/m/morals-clause/
Often included for contracts of people in the public eye .. MLB, NFL, etc, .. the private acts of athletes have nothing to do with their performance on the field, right? As long as they hit home runs, we don't care what unseemly things they do off the clock!
.. And that's for professional sports. Collegiate sports, it's a different animal. There is some amount of "higher standards" going on at universities .. some amount of "shaping minds of young people" .. etc.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 12, 2009, 06:49:33 AM
What happened to all the posters who are unwilling to be judge, jury, and executioner on message boards?
I may be wrong, but I believe the article says Pitino admitted to such actions.
Quote from: CAINMUTINY on August 12, 2009, 08:37:02 AM
I have to agree with some of the posters on the louisville boards.
I mean is it any of our business what any of the posters on MUSCOOP.COM do with their wives, GF's, Mistresses and gay lovers?
Then its none of our effing business what Pitino does in his.
The posters on MUScoop aren't the face nationally of a university, which Pitino is. That's part of the deal when you are in those positions and making millions of dollars, you're asked to do things like....oh I don't know....not sully the name of the university.
Quote from: MU_B2002 on August 12, 2009, 07:43:22 AM
Let me start this by saying that I do not support or condone the actions of Slick Rick...
He is not going anywhere. University has already said they were made aware of the situation from the beginning and their thoughts and prayers are with the Pitino Family. So he will not even take a leave of absence. I know what he did was quite repulsive, but unfortunately it is part of society. I am just glad the other woman tried to shoot the moon for the $10 MIL. If she had asked for let's say $100K, I bet she gets paid off and the world would never know this wonderful little nugget about him.
I was not aware that adultery was a crime in the US. To bad this didn't occur on a vacation to Tehran. ::)
Maybe, but I wouldn't bet the house on it. The President of the university said that some of the details that came out yesterday were a surprise to him, so I wouldn't count on the notion that they knew everything up front.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 12, 2009, 09:57:19 AM
I'm curious as to what he should be fired for.
As morally reprehensible as his acts may be to many of us, he did nothing illegal here. He had an affair and then provided someone with funds which may or may not have been used for a wholly legal medical procedure. He may be a person of dubious morals, but if we fired people for that the unemployment rate would triple.
Are we really advocating that someone lose their job because he or she participating in the procurement of a legal procedure because we find it offensive (or worse)? Are we advocating a state in which cheating on one's spouse - a sin which literally millions and millions have committed - costs you your employment?
Pitino, no doubt, will suffer mightily for his actions, and that's appropriate. But this business about him being paid to set a good example? Pfft. After everything we've learned about our athletic heroes since Jim Bouton, is anyone really so naive as to believe that? He's paid millions to coach basketball, and if he does that well, few will care that he banged some gold digger, maybe knocked her up and went along with her decision to have an abortion. I mean, do you really believe this is a rare occurrence in the sports world?
Let me be clear here: I'm not defending Pitino's actions. They were morally reprehensible. But since when did we start terminating employment - or, as one here goes as far to suggest, imprisoning - people for that?
p.s. Having sex in a closed restaurant makes you a scumbag? Are we really so puritanical that we judge people so harshly based on the location of private sexual encounters? Is there a list out there dictating where it is and is not permissible, and under what circumstances, to engage in such behavior?
Most of these contracts have a behavior clause and that's what he would be fired for....putting the university in a position of embarrassment based on the actions of the employee.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 12, 2009, 10:04:52 AM
The UL administration is doing what they believe is in their best interests. I blame their fanbase more than I blame their administration. The MU fanbase would not put up with that for a variety of reasons.
There are many UL fans on their boards that want him to resign or be fired, too. The thread examples listed in this thread certainly capture some of the fans comments, but there are also a good chunk of fans that are furious at Pitino and want him gone.
Wasn't this in an episode of "Sopranos"?
Rick's going to be on Capitol Hill tomorrow lobbying for 196th trimester abortions.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 12, 2009, 09:57:19 AM
Are we really so puritanical that we judge people so harshly based on the location of private sexual encounters? Is there a list out there dictating where it is and is not permissible, and under what circumstances, to engage in such behavior?
If there was a list dictating where it's not permissible, I would submit the top of the list should be in the Oval Office with an intern.
An Italian restaurant in Louisville would be much lower on the list.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 12, 2009, 10:21:49 AM
Regarding losing basketball games not being illegal ... not sure what your point is. Pitino was hired to win basketball games. If he fails in that regard, he should be fired because he is not meeting the expectations of his employment. Pitino, to the best of my knowledge, was not hired to be a shining beacon of morality for the fine people of Kentucky and college basketball fans the world over.
Coaches are hired for more than one reason. They're hired to win basketball games and they're retired to represent the university. Only Louisville can decide if Pitino's actions will so affect his ability to represent the university in the way that they want to be represented that they fire him. It has nothing to do with being a "shining beacon of morality." They just have to decide if he's representing the university the way they want him to. I suspect they'll overlook it...this time.
Honest question: did Eustachy do anything illegal? I don't recall that he did. Do you think he was hired to be a "shining beacon of morality for the people of Iowa?" (I know, he resigned, but it seemed like he was about to get fired) Coaches get fired all the time for doing things that their schools think reflect poorly upon the university, even if they aren't illegal.
Slick Rick is NOT going to get fired (especially with the new hire 75 miles away) at best a couple of game suspension.
What is amazing, is how the Slick One has suddenly become the victim in this mess.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 12, 2009, 10:47:42 AM
Honest question: did Eustachy do anything illegal? I don't recall that he did.
If... there were students under 21 drinking at that party, then yes. He could probably get a ticket for contributing, as i believe he techincally "allowed" the drinking to occur.
But I could be wrong.
Would it make a difference to anyone if the incident had occurred in a French restaurant during business hours?
Moral value of Pitino's actions aside, I really believe if you add up what's happened so far in the offseason for UL, Pitino is seeing the writing on the wall and has a feeling he may not survive this. Consider:
1) Pitino's son, Richard, leaves Louisville unexpectedly for Florida. Who's the HC at Florida? Billy Donovan, former Pitino player and good friend.
2) Needing to replace Richard, Pitino goes out and hires Ralph Willard. Willard was an assistant with Pitino in the NBA and at Kentucky, and another close friend. A close friend who also happens to have head coaching experience, of which none of Pitino's current assistants have.
3) 2 of Pitino's 2010 recruits decommit. One, Jeremy Tyler, is playing his senior year of HS overseas. The other, Justin Martin, is now considering Marquette amongst others. Besides the decommitment, Fab Melo, Richard Pitino's primary recruit, chose Syracuse over Louisville.
4) Pitino's name was linked with several other jobs in college and the NBA, including Arizona and the Sacramento Kings. Pitino even had discussions with Providence in 2008 about that job before they hired Keno Davis. Clearly he had some inkling to leave.
There's plenty of smoke where this fire is, and it may be a fair guess to believe that Pitino may have paid her additional monies besides funding an abortion as well. My guess on what happens: Pitino takes a "leave of absence" to start, then ends up in the next 6-8 weeks resigning. Williard will be interim head coach for 2009-2010, and Louisville goes on a national search for a new coach in the winter/spring of 2010.
Quote from: Tom Crean's Tanning Bed on August 12, 2009, 11:40:02 AM
Louisville goes on a national search for a new coach in the winter/spring of 2010.
Will they interview anybody?
I'm gonna beat Katz to the punch.
Crean to Louisville!!!
Quote from: lurch91 on August 12, 2009, 11:57:42 AM
I'm gonna beat Katz to the punch.
Crean to Louisville!!!
How about a really wild rumor....Pitino to step down, Donovan to Louisville (wow would that rock people's worlds), Pitino jr to take over Florida.
:D
I don't believe that rumor for a second, but it's fun to think of the fallout.
Pitino's son leaving could be one of a couple of reasons
1) He is disgusted by his dad's behavior as it affects his mother so he chose to leave dad and work with Billy
2) Rick Sr. knew this disaster was going to unfold and wanted to get his son out before the whole regime was toppled
Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 12, 2009, 10:47:42 AM
Honest question: did Eustachy do anything illegal? I don't recall that he did. Do you think he was hired to be a "shining beacon of morality for the people of Iowa?" (I know, he resigned, but it seemed like he was about to get fired) Coaches get fired all the time for doing things that their schools think reflect poorly upon the university, even if they aren't illegal.
And coaches get retained all the time after doing things that reflect poorly upon the university. Just ask Bob Knight.
Regardless, as for the Eustachy-Pitino comparison, there are several significant differences:
1. Eustachy, as you note, was not fired, but rather resigned. And was given a parting gift of nearly $1 million to do so.
2. Eustachy's inappropriate actions, while perhaps not as morally offensive to most, involved students, most of whom appear a plenty young to be boozing with and smooching a man in his late 40s. Pitino's involvement was with a consenting adult with no formal affiliation to Louisville or any other university.
3. Eustachy's actions not only took place in public on (or near) campus, in front of dozens of witnesses, but he allowed them to be photographed. Pitino's actions were done in private, at a private off-campus establishment, with a reasonable expectation that none of it would ever be publicized.
4. The actions which landed Eustachy in hot water, and his ultimate resignation, were fairly contemporaneous. The photos were taken within a few months of their publication, and his resignation followed soon thereafter. In Pitino's case, you're asking that he be fired for something that occured
six years ago.
None of this is to say that Pitino's actions were less offensive than Eustachy's, but the circumstances are far from similar, much less identical.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 12, 2009, 12:14:26 PM
2. Eustachy's inappropriate actions, while perhaps not as morally offensive to most, involved students, most of whom appear a plenty young to be boozing with and smooching a man in his late 40s. Pitino's involvement was with a consenting adult with no formal affiliation to Louisville or any other university.
This is debatable since it is his coworker's wife. If I banged one of my employee's wives I'd expect it to impact my job (or their job) :p
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 12, 2009, 11:11:52 AM
Would it make a difference to anyone if the incident had occurred in a French restaurant during business hours?
Only if escargot was involved
Quote from: Skatastrophy on August 12, 2009, 12:19:47 PM
This is debatable since it is his coworker's wife. If I banged one of my employee's wives I'd expect it to impact my job (or their job) :p
At the time, she wasn't his coworkers wife, they weren't even seeing each other.
Pitino could do some really great commercials for that restaurant. I'll bet business has never been better. But, if you have reserved the "pitino" table, bring along a can of Lysol.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 12, 2009, 12:14:26 PM
And coaches get retained all the time after doing things that reflect poorly upon the university. Just ask Bob Knight.
Regardless, as for the Eustachy-Pitino comparison, there are several significant differences:
1. Eustachy, as you note, was not fired, but rather resigned. And was given a parting gift of nearly $1 million to do so.
2. Eustachy's inappropriate actions, while perhaps not as morally offensive to most, involved students, most of whom appear a plenty young to be boozing with and smooching a man in his late 40s. Pitino's involvement was with a consenting adult with no formal affiliation to Louisville or any other university.
3. Eustachy's actions not only took place in public on (or near) campus, in front of dozens of witnesses, but he allowed them to be photographed. Pitino's actions were done in private, at a private off-campus establishment, with a reasonable expectation that none of it would ever be publicized.
4. The actions which landed Eustachy in hot water, and his ultimate resignation, were fairly contemporaneous. The photos were taken within a few months of their publication, and his resignation followed soon thereafter. In Pitino's case, you're asking that he be fired for something that occured six years ago.
None of this is to say that Pitino's actions were less offensive than Eustachy's, but the circumstances are far from similar, much less identical.
Knight also ran a squeeky clean program, graduated almost all his players, etc, etc. His public embarrassments typically involved things that were related to coaches being hot under the collar during the course of a game (sliding a chair, banging a phone, etc).
The thing that no one is talking about is the geopolitical portion of this. This is Kentucky. Conservative, Christian, pro-life. The abortion part of this will not sit well with many in the commonwealth. If this happened in New York, Illinois, California, he might even get an "attaboy" from some people. But it's Kentucky. That will play into some of this for the President of the university and the AD as they decide what to do. The comments from the President of the U. last night suggested some of the lurid details coming out were "surprising" to him suggesting that what Rick might have told him and Jurich wasn't complete. It might not push Rick out, but it doesn't help his cause.
Let's also not forget that one party is suggesting she was raped. Now, her credibility is very poor but that is the accusation. More than likely it was two consenting adults, but that is his version and not hers.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 12, 2009, 12:22:26 PM
At the time, she wasn't his coworkers wife, they weren't even seeing each other.
Please stop using logic to get in the way of destroying Pitino's reputation.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 12, 2009, 12:36:05 PM
Nope, only fish was served.
Was Red Snapper on the menu that day?
Common Interest....Both looking for a meal ticket....2 complete D BAGS!!!! Congrats to L'ville feel proud.
Quote from: willie warrior on August 12, 2009, 06:21:17 AM
This will not affect Pitino at all.
I am sure we will hear to ad nauseum from Dukie V. throughout the year about the toughness Pitino has displayed through this unfair situation that has beleagured slick Rick.
If it influences one recruits decision it could have a major impact on the program. I dont' see how you can claim it won't factor into a single recruit who is getting offers from 5 top programs. Kids have moms and grandmoms who will look at him like he is garbage when he walks into the living room.
Quote from: Goatherder on August 12, 2009, 06:29:17 AM
Just for clarification, she was not his assistant's wife when he was banging her, and it appears she met her husband as a result of the fact that Pitino was banging her. As for comparing this situation to what would happen at Marquette, I would hope that the university would act in a way consistent with Catholic teaching. I do not know if Marquette would or should automatically fire a coach who had an extramarital affair, but the abortion thing would surely get someone canned.
according to catholic teachings he should be excommunicated.
I highly recommend listening to the Score right now as it is hilarious as they discuss the issue. One funny topic is that Pitino brings a priest around with him.
Terry Boers is pumped as Pitino is on his Top 10 most hated guys list.
I think Pitino's departure is only a matter of time. Whether or not the university forces him out, I believe his broken image--both his self-image and public image--will be too much to for him to bear in the spotlight. The weight of his actions upon his own conscience will lead him to seek some time away to recover. He's probably only now beginning to feel the full effects of the situation, and I believe the only way to get beyond it will be to disappear for a while.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 12, 2009, 12:14:26 PM
Regardless, as for the Eustachy-Pitino comparison, there are several significant differences...None of this is to say that Pitino's actions were less offensive than Eustachy's, but the circumstances are far from similar, much less identical.
Fair enough...maybe a bad example.
But I'll just return to your original comment ("I'm curious as to what he should be fired for.
As morally reprehensible as his acts may be to many of us, he did nothing illegal here.") and try again to make my point: you don't have to do something illegal to get fired from your job. You just have to piss your employer off enough that they decide to fire you. You're a smart guy, so I'm sure that you know this is true.
By the way, I'm not saying that Louisville should or will fire Pitino. I'm just saying that the fact that he did nothing illegal is pretty much irrelevant.
Pakuni is wrong again. Pitino very well may have done something illegal!
http://www.sodomy.org/laws/kentucky/
We'll have to wait to see the surveillance tape to see.
All those who think this was Slick Rick's first time out side his marriage please raise their hand.
Petino went on medical leave for undisclosed urological problem in January, 2004. The recently reported escapade took place in August 2003. Any correlation? Hmmmm....
Does anyone think the "Italian coaching mafia" (vitale, calipari, et al) are going to come to his aid?
EDIT: on second thought, not calipari
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 12, 2009, 02:49:37 PM
I highly recommend listening to the Score right now as it is hilarious as they discuss the issue. One funny topic is that Pitino brings a priest around with him.
Terry Boers is pumped as Pitino is on his Top 10 most hated guys list.
Dammit, dammit, dammit....
Couldn't get the stream today.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 12, 2009, 04:27:55 PM
Fair enough...maybe a bad example.
But I'll just return to your original comment ("I'm curious as to what he should be fired for.
As morally reprehensible as his acts may be to many of us, he did nothing illegal here.") and try again to make my point: you don't have to do something illegal to get fired from your job. You just have to piss your employer off enough that they decide to fire you. You're a smart guy, so I'm sure that you know this is true.
He did enough to violate his contract. Whether or not UL pushes him on it is another matter.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 12, 2009, 08:26:30 PM
He did enough to violate his contract. Whether or not UL pushes him on it is another matter.
Having sex with another woman violates his contract?? There is lots or room here on this issue. As fas as I am concerned, this is a completely personal matter between him and his family. This has nothing to do with basketball at all.
Quote from: 79Warrior on August 12, 2009, 08:37:41 PM
Having sex with another woman violates his contract?? There is lots or room here on this issue. As fas as I am concerned, this is a completely personal matter between him and his family. This has nothing to do with basketball at all.
There is a "morality clause" in his contract. Specifically it states that the following is a violation:
"Disparaging media publicity of a material nature that damages the good name and reputation of Employer or University, if such publicity is cause by Employee's willful misconduct that could be abjectively anticipated to bring Employee into public disrepute or scandal, or which tends to greatly offend the public, or any class thereof on the basis of invidious distinction."
This pretty much covers what Pitino did.
Morals are relative, it seems. Larry Eustachy essentially is fired (suspended, followed by resignation) for doing a lot less:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/06/sports/college-basketball-iowa-state-s-eustachy-steps-down-as-coach.html?scp=5&sq=larry%20eustachy&st=cse
Oh, hey! Check that date! 2003!!!! Must've been a good year for big-time coaches to behave like Bob Huggins' players!
Speaking of whom, regardless of what you think about him, there's another big-time basketball coach who essentially lost his job (at Cincinnati) for personal lousy behavior.
my only question is this: has 4never played the role of Slickster's man-sistant while Bruce Pearl was putting Pat Summitt on the bone rollercoaster and showing her his O face?
I'd say yes.
Lots of good stuff here, but I have to give credit to my two favorite comments.
First off we're going to have to make sure that our Coaches keep their wives far away from any Restaurant that Pitino is dining in.
Secondly, if any student needs an abortion they should ask Pitino for a little cash.
Third, not only will Louisville players not graduate but they're being taught life-lessons by a rapist.
and
Was Red Snapper on the menu that day?
Great stuff guys.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on August 12, 2009, 04:42:47 PM
Pakuni is wrong again. Pitino very well may have done something illegal!
http://www.sodomy.org/laws/kentucky/
We'll have to wait to see the surveillance tape to see.
Are we saying that Pitino dabbles in Kalua Mudslides from time to time?
How could they kick the cheerleader out of school for her decision, but let Pitino stay? Quite the double standard...
Quote from: Mayor McCheese on August 13, 2009, 01:10:53 AM
Are we saying that Pitino dabbles in Kalua Mudslides from time to time?
Given the fact that Pitino wasn't shooting blanks that evening I would submit he gave the woman's Winking Brown Eyed Ogre a miss. This is not to say, however, that smoked oysters were not on the menu.
Quote from: 79Warrior on August 12, 2009, 08:37:41 PM
Having sex with another woman violates his contract??
Didn't MU have a coach that did exactly that not to long ago?
And seems the story has changed. The money was for health insurance, according to the official police statement (for whatever that's worth). Again, I'd be interested if this women could produce ANY kind of pre-natal doctor's appointment.
Quote from: PE8983 on August 13, 2009, 07:26:18 AM
How could they kick the cheerleader out of school for her decision, but let Pitino stay?
I must have missed it, but what cheerleader?
I must have missed it, but what cheerleader?
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Wasn't the "Cheerleader Incident" Larry Brown at KU?
The "health insurance" quote was just recently from the lawyer. Pitino's comment in the police report a while ago was for an "abortion".
The Louisville cheerleader posed nude in a magazine, then was booted off the squad and out of school.
Quote from: lurch91 on August 13, 2009, 08:38:17 AM
Didn't MU have a coach that did exactly that not to long ago?
And seems the story has changed. The money was for health insurance, according to the official police statement (for whatever that's worth). Again, I'd be interested if this women could produce ANY kind of pre-natal doctor's appointment.
I must have missed it, but what cheerleader?
"Health Insurance" is a lawyer term for abortion. No one should be fooled by that term.
Quote from: PE8983 on August 13, 2009, 09:06:31 AM
The "health insurance" quote was just recently from the lawyer. Pitino's comment in the police report a while ago was for an "abortion".
The Louisville cheerleader posed nude in a magazine, then was booted off the squad and out of school.
The Louisville cheerleader is Becca Manns. She didn't pose in a magazine, but for her boyfriend who published the pics online when they broke up. She was (understandably) kicked off the squad. I have no idea why she would have been dismissed from school though.
The statement came after Pitino's lawyer disputed part of the Courier-Journal report.
Citing police records, the newpaper reported that Pitino had sex with Cunagin Sypher in a restaurant after closing time and that two weeks later she called to tell him she was pregnant. Pitino then gave Cunagin Sypher $3,000 after she said she needed an abortion and didn't have health insurance, according to a summary of Pitino's July 12 statement to police. The coach's attorney, Steve Pence, said Wednesday that the money was to help her get medical coverage, not specifically to pay for an abortion.
"The way this has been reported in the media is not accurate," Pence told The Associated Press. "The coach has not done anything illegal."
Louisville Metro Police public information officer Dwight Mitchell told ESPN's Kelly Naqi earlier Wednesday that the sergeant who questioned Pitino understood that Pitino was talking about health insurance, not an abortion. After that was established, Sgt. Andy Abbott left that line of questioning because it had nothing to do with the criminal allegation of rape.
"It was Sgt. Abbott's understanding that the money [Pitino gave Cunagin Sypher] was for health insurance."
(http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4395181)
Cover-up or not, the Police were willing to change their offical reports.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 12, 2009, 08:48:38 PM
There is a "morality clause" in his contract. Specifically it states that the following is a violation:
"Disparaging media publicity of a material nature that damages the good name and reputation of Employer or University, if such publicity is cause by Employee's willful misconduct that could be abjectively anticipated to bring Employee into public disrepute or scandal, or which tends to greatly offend the public, or any class thereof on the basis of invidious distinction."
This pretty much covers what Pitino did.
If you start firing all the men who have had affairs the unemployment rate in this country would soar! Again, its a personal issue he has to deal with. Basketball was not involved at all. There are so many hypocrites out there is is mind boggling.
Quote from: 79Warrior on August 13, 2009, 10:19:07 AM
If you start firing all the men who have had affairs the unemployment rate in this country would soar! Again, its a personal issue he has to deal with. Basketball was not involved at all. There are so many hypocrites out there is is mind boggling.
You're missing the point. It isn't because he had an affair. It's because he's a public figure and representative of his university. All public figures from basketball coaches to radio hosts have some sort of morality clause in their contracts. They are held to this higher standard because they are the public face of their organization.
A professor at louisville could have done the same thing and it would be no biggie. A head coach? That reflects poorly on the university as evidenced by the amount of bad press that L'ville has been receiving nationally.
"health insurance" - that's funny.
If she went to get an abortion with newly purchased "health insurance", wouldn't she be denied coverage due to it being a pre-existing condition.
I don't think you can even buy individual health insurance that will cover the costs of a pregnancy once you are already pregnant. Certainly not for $3000.
"If you start firing all the men who have had affairs the unemployment rate in this country would soar! Again, its a personal issue he has to deal with. Basketball was not involved at all. There are so many hypocrites out there is is mind boggling."
What's hypocritical about it? He is paid a ridiculous amount of money, is the most public figure of the University of Louisville (which is supposed to stand for the education of our youth), signed the contract, and the knowingly violated it. There's a reason why these clauses are in the contracts of high profile individuals. All other individuals across the country (not in the limelight) don't have these clauses in their work employment conditions for that reason.
Pitino has eaten more red carpet than an Irish lesbian.
Quote from: 79Warrior on August 13, 2009, 10:19:07 AM
If you start firing all the men who have had affairs the unemployment rate in this country would soar! Again, its a personal issue he has to deal with. Basketball was not involved at all. There are so many hypocrites out there is is mind boggling.
You can state this all you want but...
IT. IS. IN. THE. CONTRACT. THAT. HE. SIGNED.
Does anyone know if this was the establishment in question?
(http://cdn0.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/18779/sneaky-restaurant-fail.jpg)
Quote from: 79Warrior on August 13, 2009, 10:19:07 AM
If you start firing all the men who have had affairs the unemployment rate in this country would soar!
This isn't "having an affair." It's banging a skanky woman in a restaurant. A good comparison is Gary Moeller, former head football coach at Michigan. He got drunk in a bar and made a scene. He was forced to step down shortly thereafter.
Of course, Louisville isn't Michigan, but there is such a thing of going beyond the definition of bad taste. If Buzz Williams had done this I'd be outraged and demand his ouster.
The fact that Pitino is even entertaining the possibility of staying on is just outrageous. This is the most sordid story in college sports in quite a while...particularly when it involved a coach. It makes Mike Price's "transgressions" at Alabama look like a tea party!
The most bizarre aspect of the incident is the assistant who served as his wingman during the "mission." Imagine what was going through that gent's mind as Rick was loitering over the target...
Quote from: warthog-driver on August 13, 2009, 01:03:33 PM
The most bizarre aspect of the incident is the assistant who served as his wingman during the "mission." Imagine what was going through that gent's mind as Rick was loitering over the target...
I'm pretty sure that same guy ended up marrying her 6 months later...
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on August 13, 2009, 12:50:51 PM
This isn't "having an affair." It's banging a skanky woman in a restaurant. A good comparison is Gary Moeller, former head football coach at Michigan. He got drunk in a bar and made a scene. He was forced to step down shortly thereafter.
Of course, Louisville isn't Michigan, but there is such a thing of going beyond the definition of bad taste. If Buzz Williams had done this I'd be outraged and demand his ouster.
The fact that Pitino is even entertaining the possibility of staying on is just outrageous. This is the most sordid story in college sports in quite a while...particularly when it involved a coach. It makes Mike Price's "transgressions" at Alabama look like a tea party!
+1
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Sypher's Pitino Claim Not a First
April 28th, 2009 by rickredding
Sypher, then Karen Wise, worked at an auto body shop until she was fired in 2001. She filed the suit against her former employer, now deceased, claiming that while sharing a room on a business trip that he engaged in kissing, grabbing and making romantic attempts at her.
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I fly for a living so I am no stranger to the road but I am not sure what sort of "business trip" an auto body shop team would need to make or why the employer would share a room with an employee. I can tell you that Air Force pilots would be outraged at the mere suggestion of having guys double up in rooms while flying around.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on August 13, 2009, 01:11:50 PM
I'm pretty sure that same guy ended up marrying her 6 months later...
Different guy, though it would have been an appropriate ending to a strange and sordid story.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on August 13, 2009, 01:11:50 PM
I'm pretty sure that same guy ended up marrying her 6 months later...
Now that is F'd up...or, the guy realized this chick performs despicable acts a normal woman would find abhorrent
Quote from: warthog-driver on August 13, 2009, 01:03:33 PM
The most bizarre aspect of the incident is the assistant who served as his wingman during the "mission." Imagine what was going through that gent's mind as Rick was loitering over the target...
Just another "life lesson" imparted by professor Pitino to one of his eager assistants.
EAT called wanting to know where he can get in on some of that action.
Quote from: 79Warrior on August 13, 2009, 10:19:07 AM
If you start firing all the men who have had affairs the unemployment rate in this country would soar! Again, its a personal issue he has to deal with. Basketball was not involved at all. There are so many hypocrites out there is is mind boggling.
Unemployment is soaring already :'(
No question there are hypocrites out there, but there are also many of us that have honored our vows from day 1. Nevertheless, it really comes down to what kind of embarrassment these things cause a school. Legal, "private" matters can cause embarrassment. There would be nothing illegal if he was banging an 18 year old high school cheerleader, she's the age of consent but I think that would be looked down up even more than who he did get caught with.
At the end of the day, it's up to the school and it's leadership to determine if the embarrassment (caused by legal or illegal actions) is worthy of dismissal.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on August 13, 2009, 01:11:50 PM
I'm pretty sure that same guy ended up marrying her 6 months later...
Actually, no. Tatum, the assistant coach, was the one in the restaurant as they were getting it on that overheard the two. Later, Pitino met with the woman in the condo of the guy who she would later marry.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 13, 2009, 01:50:47 PM
Actually, no. Tatum, the assistant coach, was the one in the restaurant as they were getting it on that overheard the two. Later, Pitino met with the woman in the condo of the guy who she would later marry.
Thanks for the clarification.
Anyone else find it ridiculous (appalling, really) that Pitino keeps bringing up 9/11?
Wow...is Pitino getting hammered in the press or what? His big ugly mug up on CNN/SI main page under the title "The Ugly Truth: Rick Pitino wins games. In today's world of big-time college athletics, sadly, that trumps morality every time, argues Jeff Pearlman."
I wonder as this gets hotter and hotter UL will eventually have no choice but to ask him to resign?
Quote from: MUinCO on August 13, 2009, 01:57:56 PM
Wow...is Pitino getting hammered in the press or what? His big ugly mug up on CNN/SI main page under the title "The Ugly Truth: Rick Pitino wins games. In today's world of big-time college athletics, sadly, that trumps morality every time, argues Jeff Pearlman."
I wonder as this gets hotter and hotter UL will eventually have no choice but to ask him to resign?
I know it sounds silly, but if another big scandal breaks someplace else in the next 48 hours, Rick will probably stay.
If news (and sports news) stays "scandal free" for another week, the heat is going to keep coming at Louisville, and they might have to make a change just to get out all of the bad press.
good call!
Quote from: 2002mualum on August 13, 2009, 02:33:52 PM
I know it sounds silly, but if another big scandal breaks someplace else in the next 48 hours, Rick will probably stay.
If news (and sports news) stays "scandal free" for another week, the heat is going to keep coming at Louisville, and they might have to make a change just to get out all of the bad press.
That's the truth. It's a slow time of the year for sports.
As much fun as I have hating on Rick Pitino, I feel pretty bad for him. If some girl from 6 years ago came and claimed rape against me it would really put a dent in my life, but at least I wouldn't have to worry about getting fired over it. If this didn't happen you definitely have to feel bad for anybody getting tried in the press like this.
Pitino needs Mike Vick to sign immediatley.
If "Brent" Favre talks of unretiring in the next week Pitino will keep his job!
Quote from: 2002mualum on August 13, 2009, 02:33:52 PM
I know it sounds silly, but if another big scandal breaks someplace else in the next 48 hours, Rick will probably stay.
If news (and sports news) stays "scandal free" for another week, the heat is going to keep coming at Louisville, and they might have to make a change just to get out all of the bad press.
What might end up happening is more women come forward saying he had affairs with them. If so, that causes it to drag on and on. We'll see what happens.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 13, 2009, 03:39:56 PM
What might end up happening is more women come forward saying he had affairs with them. If so, that causes it to drag on and on. We'll see what happens.
Yea, I was thinking about that too.
I have a sneaky feeling this might be the opening of Pandora's box.
I bet UL is researching hard and pressing Rick to find out if there really have been others.
Quote from: 2002mualum on August 13, 2009, 03:57:57 PM
Yea, I was thinking about that too.
I have a sneaky feeling this might be the opening of Pandora's box.
I bet UL is researching hard and pressing Rick to find out if there really have been others.
Of course there have been others. We all saw him in his biography, "Devil's Advocate."
(http://images.allmoviephoto.com/1997_Devil's_Advocate/DA_Charlize_Theron_026.jpg)
(http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/pacino_devils-advocate.jpg)
Quote from: 2002mualum on August 13, 2009, 03:57:57 PM
I have a sneaky feeling this might be the opening of Pandora's box.
Did Pandora already come forward? If so, I'm guessing her box was already opened by Slicky Ricky.
Evidently, I remember reading a while back about there being plenty of transgressions when he was coach of the Boston Celtics... If I remember correctly, it came from the other employees and support staff of the Celtics.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AqU6MTNUtXJOly7OdulT0YU5nYcB?slug=aw-pitinonba081309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
As a college coach, Pitino's ability to produce NBA players has become suspect. He convinces recruits he'll prepare them for the pros, but he never took a Dwyane Wade – as Indiana's Tom Crean did at Marquette – and made him a superstar. Maybe Louisville keeps Pitino, maybe the president buckles to public pressure and makes him take a sabbatical. Whatever happens, no one believed Pitino's promise to stay at Louisville as long as they'll have him.
Interesting Comparison there Wojnarowski
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on August 13, 2009, 04:27:12 PM
Did Pandora already come forward? If so, I'm guessing her box was already opened by Slicky Ricky.
Am I the only one that thought this was hilarious? And a fine use of your sixty-ninth post, btw.
Quote from: PE8983 on August 13, 2009, 04:33:14 PM
Evidently, I remember reading a while back about there being plenty of transgressions when he was coach of the Boston Celtics... If I remember correctly, it came from the other employees and support staff of the Celtics.
Yea, if any of that stuff comes out from a reputable source, I can see UL wanting to move on quickly.
If UofL was smart, they'd have every PI around digging on Rick's past to see if they can find stuff out before the media does.
This certainly could be a 1 time thing... but it might not be, and if it isn't, it's going to bring a lot of bad press on Rick and UL.
Quote from: MDMU04 on August 13, 2009, 05:00:08 PM
And a fine use of your sixty-ninth post, btw.
i meant to do that...
Quote from: MarqGold17 on August 13, 2009, 04:37:32 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AqU6MTNUtXJOly7OdulT0YU5nYcB?slug=aw-pitinonba081309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
As a college coach, Pitino's ability to produce NBA players has become suspect. He convinces recruits he'll prepare them for the pros, but he never took a Dwyane Wade – as Indiana's Tom Crean did at Marquette – and made him a superstar. Maybe Louisville keeps Pitino, maybe the president buckles to public pressure and makes him take a sabbatical. Whatever happens, no one believed Pitino's promise to stay at Louisville as long as they'll have him.
Interesting Comparison there Wojnarowski
Tom Crean made Dwyane Wade into an NBA superstar? Is Adrian Wojnarowski smoking some of 84's stash?
Quote from: MarqGold17 on August 13, 2009, 04:37:32 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AqU6MTNUtXJOly7OdulT0YU5nYcB?slug=aw-pitinonba081309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
As a college coach, Pitino's ability to produce NBA players has become suspect. He convinces recruits he'll prepare them for the pros, but he never took a Dwyane Wade – as Indiana's Tom Crean did at Marquette – and made him a superstar. Maybe Louisville keeps Pitino, maybe the president buckles to public pressure and makes him take a sabbatical. Whatever happens, no one believed Pitino's promise to stay at Louisville as long as they'll have him.
Interesting Comparison there Wojnarowski
That isn't the most interesting thing that he says in the article. Scathing doesn't even begin to describe it.
Holy cripes...that article suggests Pitino instructed the strength coach to marry that broad to keep her quiet!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 13, 2009, 05:15:34 PM
Tom Crean made Dwyane Wade into an NBA superstar? Is Adrian Wojnarowski smoking some of 84's stash?
I heard Tom Crean actually made him worse. He was clearly the #1 pick out of high school if he had gone to the NBA but Crean made him worse in year one, two and three so that he dropped from certain #1 to #5
I'd say the whole "health insurance" claim by his attorney just took a hit. This is a recording alledgedly of Pitino. His language is not about health insurance, it most certainly is about abortion which is lawyer was trying to spin a different way.
I don't know if it's him on the tape, but if he is then his attorney is lying (please, no lawyer jokes for at least 5 minutes...try to refrain. ;D )
http://fox41.com/Global/story.asp?S=10921650&nav=menu1404_1
If I were an investigative journalist, I think I would go in and find out how much money his assistant equipment manager made after this incident. Was this guy paid to take a bullet for Rick, was he given a huge jump in pay by the university or out of private funds from Ricky?
This story isn't going away for awhile.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on August 13, 2009, 06:38:45 PM
Holy cripes...that article suggests Pitino instructed the strength coach to marry that broad to keep her quiet!
Well....when you think about the timing of the marriage and the divorce...
Quote from: reinko on August 13, 2009, 02:54:01 PM
Pitino needs Mike Vick to sign immediatley.
Well, there ya go.
Thank you, thank you.
Pitino should resign http://www.projo.com/pc/content/projo-20090815-pitino.d951dee0.html
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 13, 2009, 09:01:00 PM
Pitino should resign http://www.projo.com/pc/content/projo-20090815-pitino.d951dee0.html
I really hope the pro-life/anti-abortion crowd doesn't try to turn UL games into an abortion debate:
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Next season, U of L is slated to play road games at four Catholic schools — DePaul, Marquette, Providence and St. John's. It's not out of the question that Pitino will become a lightning rod of our country's ever-combative abortion debate.
There is a reason why I watch sports when I can't take any more of CNN or Fox News.
Lots of people want him gone in this louisville news paper poll:
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20090812/SPORTS/90812012/%3Cb%3EYouVote+%3C/b%3E+What+s+next+for+Rick+Pitino?
I don't understand how the church can not ecommunicate him. They made it pretty obvious that they don't bend on this rule in march:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,505183,00.html
Quote from: RawdogDX on August 14, 2009, 11:38:50 AM
Lots of people want him gone in this louisville news paper poll:
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20090812/SPORTS/90812012/%3Cb%3EYouVote+%3C/b%3E+What+s+next+for+Rick+Pitino?
70% want him fired or resigned. That's a strong number. Wonder how many UK fans are stacking that poll?
I don't understand how the church can not ecommunicate him. They made it pretty obvious that they don't bend on this rule in march:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,505183,00.html
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Give me a break.
Quote from: 79Warrior on August 14, 2009, 01:18:54 PM
I don't understand how the church can not ecommunicate him. They made it pretty obvious that they don't bend on this rule in march:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,505183,00.html
Give me a break.
Same break they gave the mother of a 9 year old rape victim who's life was at stake? I don't even know what your post means. The catholic church has in stone dogma about what to do here. If you don't agree with it write a letter to the pope.
Quote from: RawdogDX on August 14, 2009, 02:27:21 PM
If you don't agree with it write a letter to the pope.
He's coaching at Indiana now.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 13, 2009, 06:41:28 PM
I heard Tom Crean actually made him worse. He was clearly the #1 pick out of high school if he had gone to the NBA but Crean made him worse in year one, two and three so that he dropped from certain #1 to #5
I think Crean helped D Wade in mental toughness,tenacity, and his approach to the game (intangibles)-----but certainly didn't help his trey shooting. Also D Wade made his biggest adjustment after he graduated from MU. If MU would have lost to Holy Cross in the first game of the NCAA in 2003, D Wade would not have been a lottery pick-----would have been lower first round. The Kentucky game propelled him into the lottery.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 13, 2009, 06:41:28 PM
I heard Tom Crean actually made him worse. He was clearly the #1 pick out of high school if he had gone to the NBA but Crean made him worse in year one, two and three so that he dropped from certain #1 to #5
Antoine Walker only was drafted at #6...I heard he should have been a #10 but Pitino helped hype him up after coaching Kentucky to the National Championship. ::)
NCAA championships - Rick Pitino 1, Tom Crean 0
NCAA Final Fours - Pitino 5, Crean 1
NCAA Second Rounds - Pitino 10, Crean 2
NCAA Appearances - Pitino 13, Crean 5
NCAA 20-win seasons - Pitino 17, Crean 5
NCAA Seasons below .500 - Pitino 0, Crean 1
Players drafted to the NBA - Pitino 19, Crean 3
I cannot stand Pitino and UL basketball. The dude's a douche for doing that to his wife. But strictly looking at coaching records, there is no comparison. Pitino was a madman of a coach.
But, like it was stated in another thread, time can only tell...Luckily, Crean has a bit of an advantage with this Pitino scandal.
NOTES:
Pitino started coaching at 26, Crean at 33
Pitino is now 56, Crean 43
Pitino had 7 years of NBA coaching in between NCAA HC positions
An aside... Interesting Pitino connection: Pitino recently hired Ralph Willard as an assistant who Tom Crean served 4 years as an ACO (@ WKU) and 1 year as an ACO (@Pitt).