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Title: Official WES and JEREL Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: 77ncaachamps on July 10, 2009, 01:46:58 PM
After DJ going down and Wes injuring his big toe (questionable for Vegas), Jerel's the last Amigo standing.
He'll be wearing #22.

Jerel's YouTube Interview: http://tv.kingsconnect.com/archives/1122

Kings Practice, Day 1: 1 minute of Jerel contesting a three, waiting outside the arc calling for the rock, then hustling back to play D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8kqdcHddbk

7/10 vs. Pistons
JEREL:  19:30 min, 6 pts, 1-4 FGs, 4-4 FTs, 1 reb, 2 stl, 4 TOs
BOX: http://www.nba.com/summerleague2009/games/boxscore.jsp?gameId=1520900002
Highlights Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tfIRyCkI-0

7/11 vs. Warriors  
JEREL:  25:04 min, 8 pts,  4-4 FGs, 2 reb, 1 ast, 2 stls, 1 TO, 1 BS
BOX: http://www.nba.com/summerleague2009/games/boxscore.jsp?gameId=1520900007

7/13 vs. Bucks  
WES:  22:42 min, 14 pts, 1 stl, 0 TO
JEREL:  17:18 min, 2 pts, 3 reb, 2 ast, 2 stl, 0 TO

BOX: http://www.nba.com/summerleague2009/games/boxscore.jsp?gameId=1520900018

7/15 vs. NBDL
WES:  25:23 min, 14 pts, 4 rebs
JEREL:  11:46 min, 0 pts

BOX: http://www.nba.com/summerleague2009/games/boxscore.jsp?gameId=1520900028

7/17 vs. Knicks
WES: 5:36 min, 3 pts, 2 stls
JEREL:  
7:56 min, 4 pts, 2 rebs
BOX: http://www.nba.com/summerleague2009/games/boxscore.jsp?gameId=1520900038

Kings Flikr Slideshow (Jerel #22, Wes #25): http://www.flickr.com/photos/gokings/sets/72157621405393632/show
Title: Re: *LIVE Link inside* McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: 77ncaachamps on July 11, 2009, 08:27:58 PM
Added the LIVE link in the first post.

Jerel's covering Curry from the Warriors.
Title: Re: *LIVE Link inside* McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: GOMU1104 on July 11, 2009, 09:16:04 PM
fFnal line - 25 mins, 8 pts (4-4 FG), 2 rebs, 1 assist, 2 steals.

He had a rough time covering Curry. 

These games are pretty much every man for themselves...especially with Tyreke Evans on your team. If you are lucky enough to touch the ball on a possession, there is no giving it up.
Title: Re: *LIVE Link inside* McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: 77ncaachamps on July 11, 2009, 09:25:02 PM
Quote from: GOMU1104 on July 11, 2009, 09:16:04 PM
fFnal line - 25 mins, 8 pts (4-4 FG), 2 rebs, 1 assist, 2 steals.

He had a rough time covering Curry. 

These games are pretty much every man for themselves...especially with Tyreke Evans on your team. If you are lucky enough to touch the ball on a possession, there is no giving it up.

You got that right. Curry was abusing him in the 2nd half though he struggled in the 1st.

Evans, Greene, Casspi and JT were black holes on that team. At least Jerel was 100% from the field. :/
Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: MR.HAYWARD on July 12, 2009, 10:22:30 AM
Curry is an NBA starter and all rookie team candidate.  He is as technically and fundamentally sound a player in the draft as you will see.  Wonderfully skilled player, one of those players that does not possess the uber athleticsm that gets many of these kids by, he does it with amazing skill and IQ. 
Title: Re: *LIVE Link inside* McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: DomJamesToTheBasket on July 12, 2009, 12:29:45 PM
Quote from: GOMU1104 on July 11, 2009, 09:16:04 PM
He had a rough time covering Curry. 

Is this thought a result from watching the game or looking at the box score? Curry scored 29, but shot a very poor 8-22, although he did get to the line and made up for his FG% by hitting 10-11 FT's. That guy is going to score points in the league, but if he's around 40% his team isn't going to benefit much from it. He's a chucker.
Title: Re: *LIVE Link inside* McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: GOMU1104 on July 12, 2009, 03:01:05 PM
Quote from: DomJamesToTheBasket on July 12, 2009, 12:29:45 PM
Is this thought a result from watching the game or looking at the box score? Curry scored 29, but shot a very poor 8-22, although he did get to the line and made up for his FG% by hitting 10-11 FT's. That guy is going to score points in the league, but if he's around 40% his team isn't going to benefit much from it. He's a chucker.

I watched the last 2ish minutes of the 1st half, and pretty much all of the second half.  Jerel had a few nice defensive plays, but Curry was, for the most part, doing what he wanted to.  He was blowing by Jerel on drives, and hitting J's in his face.

I think Curry started 0-7.
Title: Re: *LIVE Link inside* McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: 77ncaachamps on July 12, 2009, 06:40:02 PM
Quote from: GOMU1104 on July 12, 2009, 03:01:05 PM
I watched the last 2ish minutes of the 1st half, and pretty much all of the second half.  Jerel had a few nice defensive plays, but Curry was, for the most part, doing what he wanted to.  He was blowing by Jerel on drives, and hitting J's in his face.

I think Curry started 0-7.

Curry just had to get going and feel comfortable with the flow of the game.

He really tested Jerel with his quick release, and made some really good moves on Jerel on fastbreaks.

To his own detriment, Jerel hangs out at the 3pt line far too often. If he continues and doesn't assert himself more into the offense, I'm afraid he's D-League or Euro bound.
Title: Re: *LIVE Link inside* McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: GOMU1104 on July 12, 2009, 06:46:23 PM
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on July 12, 2009, 06:40:02 PM


To his own detriment, Jerel hangs out at the 3pt line far too often. If he continues and doesn't assert himself more into the offense, I'm afraid he's D-League or Euro bound.

I thought the same thing...but when Tyreke Evans (8-19), Donte Green (5-17), Omri Casspi (4-11) and Jason Thompson (5-10) are doing what they do...there aren't many shots left for Jerel. Hell, Marcus Landry shot 7 threes!

When he got the ball in a good position, he attacked the hoop and scored. 

Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: 77ncaachamps on July 12, 2009, 06:52:15 PM
Yep. I guess he's just trying to demonstrate control and playing within his own abilities.

But 4-4, though impressive as a FG percentage, isn't going to "Wow" someone into signing them onto your team.
Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on July 12, 2009, 06:59:03 PM
He's going to be Ben Gordon's replacement on the Bulls.
Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: ErickJD08 on July 12, 2009, 07:52:48 PM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on July 12, 2009, 06:59:03 PM
He's going to be Ben Gordon's replacement on the Bulls.

I am keeping my fingers crossed for that one.
Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: 77ncaachamps on July 12, 2009, 08:46:42 PM
Just checked a tweet from the Kings.

Wes was eating at the hotel. Good news! :)
Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on July 12, 2009, 08:50:58 PM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on July 12, 2009, 06:59:03 PM
He's going to be Ben Gordon's replacement on the Bulls.


Yep, that's the word on Sesame Street.
Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: 🏀 on July 12, 2009, 09:05:10 PM
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on July 12, 2009, 08:46:42 PM
Just checked a tweet from the Kings.

Wes was eating at the hotel. Good news! :)
Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: MU_Iceman on July 13, 2009, 09:45:26 AM
Quote from: ErickJD08 on July 12, 2009, 07:52:48 PM
I am keeping my fingers crossed for that one.

Personally (call me crazy), I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Wes becomes the back-up SG on the Bulls.  He gives them more size and would be able to match up defensively a little better against someone else's 2, he turns the ball over less, and he gives you depth at the 2 and 3 positions.

That said, I'd be happy as hell to have either of our boys in a Bulls uniform!
Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on July 13, 2009, 10:00:29 AM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 12, 2009, 08:50:58 PM

Yep, that's the word on Sesame Street.

Is this the same street that told you Novak hated being with the Clippers?
Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on July 13, 2009, 10:04:06 AM
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on July 13, 2009, 10:00:29 AM
Is this the same street that told you Novak hated being with the Clippers?

He does hate being out there, but it's not like he's going to bad-mouth a current or former team.  Just like in a normal job interview you're not supposed to bitch about former employers. 
Title: Re: *LIVE Link inside* McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: GGGG on July 13, 2009, 10:13:01 AM
Quote from: GOMU1104 on July 12, 2009, 03:01:05 PM
I watched the last 2ish minutes of the 1st half, and pretty much all of the second half.  Jerel had a few nice defensive plays, but Curry was, for the most part, doing what he wanted to.  He was blowing by Jerel on drives, and hitting J's in his face.


Wait....this can't be right.  People on this very board told me that the reason San Antonio traded Bruce Bowen was because they were going draft McNeal as their next defensive stopper.
Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on July 13, 2009, 11:33:54 AM
Quote from: MU_Iceman on July 13, 2009, 09:45:26 AM
Personally (call me crazy), I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Wes becomes the back-up SG on the Bulls.  He gives them more size and would be able to match up defensively a little better against someone else's 2, he turns the ball over less, and he gives you depth at the 2 and 3 positions.

That said, I'd be happy as hell to have either of our boys in a Bulls uniform!

Are you guys serious? Wes Matthews SENIOR has a better chance of playing with the Bulls next season.

Look, I love the contributions these guys made to Marquette but they're not NBA players!

Novak has a skill that makes him one of the best of what he does in the country and it took him until last year...with an atrocious team...to get any minutes. And even those minutes can best be labeled "erratic." Diener doesn't get any minutes.

Suggesting Wesley Matthews can be a contributor to a playoff team is absurd.
Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: Fullodds on July 13, 2009, 12:13:28 PM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on July 13, 2009, 11:33:54 AM

Diener doesn't get any minutes.


Diener is a back up point guard who has averaged 15.3 minutes per game in his career to date.  How many minutes do you expect a back up point guard to get?
Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on July 13, 2009, 01:23:14 PM
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 13, 2009, 10:04:06 AM
He does hate being out there, but it's not like he's going to bad-mouth a current or former team.  Just like in a normal job interview you're not supposed to bitch about former employers. 

Please. Equating the sports world with the "real" world is silly. If you're a free agent with no intention of re-signing with the team you just played with, there is little harm in being honest that you didn't like the set-up.

Not saying Novak should drop that "the Clippers suck ass and it was a shitty place to be" but he doesn't have to be effusive in his faux-praise like he was with Rosiak last week.

So you think he'll sign with the Suns?
Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: GGGG on July 13, 2009, 01:27:45 PM
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on July 13, 2009, 01:23:14 PM
Please. Equating the sports world with the "real" world is silly. If you're a free agent with no intention of re-signing with the team you just played with, there is little harm in being honest that you didn't like the set-up.

Not saying Novak should drop that "the Clippers suck ass and it was a crapty place to be" but he doesn't have to be effusive in his faux-praise like he was with Rosiak last week.

So you think he'll sign with the Suns?


He's a restricted free agent, which means it is very likely that the Clippers will be his best option.  He's smart not to bitch about them publicly.  That doesn't mean that his agent isn't letting them know he doesn't want to be back privately.
Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on July 13, 2009, 01:33:16 PM
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on July 13, 2009, 01:23:14 PM
Please. Equating the sports world with the "real" world is silly. If you're a free agent with no intention of re-signing with the team you just played with, there is little harm in being honest that you didn't like the set-up.

Someone like Novak that hasn't had a ton of play-time thus far in his career would be doing himself a real disservice by coming off as a malcontent when he could very well be heading back to the Clippers next year.  Even if he wasn't headed to the Clippers, they haven't released him yet.  If I were a betting man I'd wager that he's very careful about nurturing that nice-guy image... especially since it isn't a facade.
Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: 79Warrior on July 13, 2009, 02:15:50 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 13, 2009, 01:27:45 PM

He's a restricted free agent, which means it is very likely that the Clippers will be his best option.  He's smart not to bitch about them publicly.  That doesn't mean that his agent isn't letting them know he doesn't want to be back privately.

Novak has little if any leverage. Who gives a hoot what his agent may say.
Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: MU_Iceman on July 13, 2009, 02:34:59 PM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on July 13, 2009, 11:33:54 AMSuggesting Wesley Matthews can be a contributor to a playoff team is absurd.

I never said I thought he could be a solid contributor...I actually share your opinion, PRN, that our boys aren't really the NBA talents that several seem to think they are...

I'm simply saying that the Bulls have no depth at the guard position and it's my opinion that based on his general size and stature Wesley has a better chance at sustaining a career as a bench player than Jerel does.  For that reason, if the Bulls are going to add [cheap] players to fill out their frontcourt, and in the hypothetical situation described earlier (where one of the MU boys is in consideration), I would rather see Wes eat up 5 minutes of PT a game for the bulls than Jerel
Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: GGGG on July 13, 2009, 02:38:05 PM
Quote from: 79Warrior on July 13, 2009, 02:15:50 PM
Novak has little if any leverage. Who gives a hoot what his agent may say.

You are correct sir.  My point was that any discontent is better communicated privately by the agent instead of publicly by Novak himself.
Title: Re: McNeal, Wes in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: 77ncaachamps on July 13, 2009, 06:01:22 PM
The Kings have a photo slideshow up on Flikr.

Added it to the original post.
Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on July 13, 2009, 07:28:11 PM
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 13, 2009, 01:33:16 PM
Someone like Novak that hasn't had a ton of play-time thus far in his career would be doing himself a real disservice by coming off as a malcontent when he could very well be heading back to the Clippers next year.  Even if he wasn't headed to the Clippers, they haven't released him yet.  If I were a betting man I'd wager that he's very careful about nurturing that nice-guy image... especially since it isn't a facade.

You completely missed my point -- which isn't rare these days in society. I didn't say he had to be a malcontent. In fact, I explicitly wrote that he shouldn't drop something like that. But we've seen time and time again in every sport a free agent, even restricted, be honest that the situation isn't the best for them and all they want is a better opportunity (i.e. the Odom offer sheet from Miami when he was a member of the Clippers). Those words won't hurt him -- especially considering what the NBA already deals with. That's my point.

Besides, and this is a far different conversation, the NBA will deal with any semblance of a malcontent that is 6'10'' and can drain 3's like a fat kid eating cheese curds at the state fair. It's a specialist league and they can get away with anything. See: Dennis Rodman in a wedding dress as Exhibit A.
Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: 79Warrior on July 13, 2009, 08:15:21 PM
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on July 13, 2009, 07:28:11 PM
You completely missed my point -- which isn't rare these days in society. I didn't say he had to be a malcontent. In fact, I explicitly wrote that he shouldn't drop something like that. But we've seen time and time again in every sport a free agent, even restricted, be honest that the situation isn't the best for them and all they want is a better opportunity (i.e. the Odom offer sheet from Miami when he was a member of the Clippers). Those words won't hurt him -- especially considering what the NBA already deals with. That's my point.

Besides, and this is a far different conversation, the NBA will deal with any semblance of a malcontent that is 6'10'' and can drain 3's like a fat kid eating cheese curds at the state fair. It's a specialist league and they can get away with anything. See: Dennis Rodman in a wedding dress as Exhibit A.

You are really overestimating Steve's ability. He barely gets off the bench. The only reason he saw decent minutes with the Clippers was because the team was decimated by injuries.
Title: Re: McNeal in the Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: TomW1365 on July 14, 2009, 10:22:08 PM
Quote from: 79Warrior on July 13, 2009, 08:15:21 PM
You are really overestimating Steve's ability. He barely gets off the bench. The only reason he saw decent minutes with the Clippers was because the team was decimated by injuries.

I spent alot of time following Novak's and the Clippers box scores this year (not to mention the Rockets the year before) and I have to disagree with you.  Simply put, injuries give players with something to prove a chance to show there skills.  Steve Novak came through in a big way last year for the Clippers.  When given the opportunity with the Rockets, he drained a game tying and game winning 3 pointer.  I think he'll have a roster spot for some time to come.
Title: Re: Official WES and JEREL Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on July 14, 2009, 10:50:22 PM
Watched a lot of Clippers games and Novak was utilised quite a bit. announcers loved him. he was a favorite coming off the bench and came in and made a difference in several games. One,in particluar, Clippers were losing by double digits and he came in and sparked a rally and eventually a win. Lakers are hoping Adam Morrison can do the same for them
Title: Re: Official WES and JEREL Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 15, 2009, 08:04:24 AM
Steve Novak is a prototypical 6th man, nothing more, nothing less.

any team would be happy to have a guy who can come off the bench, and spark the team for some points, and who can knock down FTs.

put the ball in his hands and he makes a lot of shots... try to D him up and foul him and you are giving 2 points away.
Title: Re: Official WES and JEREL Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: The Lens on July 15, 2009, 08:20:37 AM
What Novak needs is time.  He needs to get old and fat.  Mark my words in his 30's he will win a play-off series.  He just needs his body to continue to fill out so he can defend 4s.  At 6'10", he is 1/2 way there.
Title: Re: Official WES and JEREL Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: GOMU1104 on July 15, 2009, 08:22:31 AM
Steve Novak will have a 15 year NBA career, barring serious injury.  He can do something EXTREMELY well that not many NBA players can do. Combine that with being 6'10"...Steve is always going to have a spot in the NBA.
Title: Re: Official WES and JEREL Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on July 15, 2009, 08:56:03 AM
As a matter of fact, Novak may be defining a new role for an NBA player. Not so much a closer as a designated shooter.

I agree with others, Novak will have a spot on a team for a long time. If Chuck Nevitt can last in the NBA for as long as he did, a guy like Novak with a true skill that can win you a game or two during a season is worth a spot on the bench!
Title: Re: Official WES and JEREL Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: 77ncaachamps on July 16, 2009, 08:09:43 AM
Quote from: The Lens on July 15, 2009, 08:20:37 AM
What Novak needs is time.  He needs to get old and fat.  Mark my words in his 30's he will win a play-off series.  He just needs his body to continue to fill out so he can defend 4s.  At 6'10", he is 1/2 way there.

you knOw, you're right.

That did wonders for Brian scalabrine!
Title: Re: Official WES and JEREL Vegas Summer League Thread
Post by: 77ncaachamps on July 17, 2009, 05:05:57 PM
Last Summer League game...Wes is not starting, neither is Jerel.

http://atdhe.net/7457/watch-summer-league-sacramento-vs-new-york
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