Just returned from Buzz's BBQ. Conspicuous by his absence was Acker. All other returning players were there accept Hayward.(World Games) Rings for last years NCAA trip were given to just about everyone but the team dog. Even Hayward's Dad was there to accept his. But no Acker. After the speculation a few weeks ago about Acker's potential troubles I can't imagine this was a good sign.
Or he's with his lifelong buddy McNeal the day before the NBA draft?
Rosiak has done features on all returning players except Acker in the last few weeks.........
I'm sure he was in Bloomington working Crean's camp.
I talked to a former player this week and he said Acker has been "gone" for awhile, as if it was common knowledge and almost old news. He cited multiple reasons for him leaving. Surprised this hasn't officially broke.
So Acker's gone.
Bank it for '10.
Quote from: detroitwarrior on June 24, 2009, 09:53:17 PM
Rosiak has done features on all returning players except Acker in the last few weeks.........
Key word there would seem to be
returning. Where there's smoke there's fire. ;)
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on June 24, 2009, 10:06:13 PM
I talked to a former player this week and he said Acker has been "gone" for awhile, as if it was common knowledge and almost old news. He cited multiple reasons for him leaving. Surprised this hasn't officially broke.
What were some of the multiple reasons for leaving cited by this former player?
Quote from: mufansince72 on June 24, 2009, 11:40:04 PM
What were some of the multiple reasons for leaving cited by this former player?
Rumor has it he wanted to change his number to 420 but MU wouldn't let him.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on June 24, 2009, 11:44:41 PM
Rumor has it he wanted to change his number to 420 but MU wouldn't let him.
C'mon now...
Doesn't surprise me due to McNeal leaving and Cadougan and Buycks coming in.
Couldn't he have
enough credits to graduate?
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on June 25, 2009, 12:53:25 AM
C'mon now...
Doesn't surprise me due to McNeal leaving and Cadougan and Buycks coming in.
Couldn't he have enough credits to graduate?
I'm willing to bet he graduates in August, and an announcement is made that "he wont be rejoining the team in 2009-10." They arent going to screw with their APR or Graduation Rate, when he's presumably so close to graduating.
Quote from: mufansince72 on June 24, 2009, 11:40:04 PM
What were some of the multiple reasons for leaving cited by this former player?
He said schoolwork, general attitude and testing. He also said Buzz would let him finish out his degree if he wanted to, but wasn't sure he would.
Really doesn't surprise me with the attitude thing. Last year, my son was at the MU camp and I asked two guys to get there picture with him. First was McNeal. Real nice, knew my son's name, smiled and seemed like a genuine person who was interested in the kids. Second was Acker. Acted like I was asking him to run a marathon, barely smiled and made the whole thing uncomfortable. I chalked it up to him having a bad day, but maybe he was a jag all along.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on June 25, 2009, 08:24:49 AM
He said schoolwork, general attitude and testing. He also said Buzz would let him finish out his degree if he wanted to, but wasn't sure he would.
I thought he was close to getting his degree...in fact I thought he would have had to enroll in graduate school to play this year.
Happy Birthday, Mo Acker, btw.
And no, last I heard, Mo was over a semester away from graduating. No grad school.
Quote from: Stone Cold on June 24, 2009, 10:37:58 PM
So Acker's gone.
Bank it for '10.
This really doenst have a bearing on recruiting. The only option for the scholarship would be to give it to Frozena for the year.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on June 25, 2009, 09:04:15 AM
This really doenst have a bearing on recruiting. The only option for the scholarship would be to give it to Frozena for the year.
If I can recall correctly, I believe Frozena is on a pretty sizable academic scholarship.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on June 25, 2009, 09:04:15 AM
This really doenst have a bearing on recruiting. The only option for the scholarship would be to give it to Frozena for the year.
Not exactly true. Since decommitting from USC, Derrick Williams has mentioned MU again and he's a 2009 recruit. Plus there's always Lance Stephenson.
I talked to one of the coaches last night and he confirmed that Acker was gone but still taking some summer classes. He might try Europe. He didn't say why and I didn't ask.
so bma, you have the inside scoop. is acker returning and if not who are we on? and if he is not returning, why no announcement?
Quote from: ATWizJr on June 25, 2009, 09:35:06 AM
so bma, you have the inside scoop. is acker returning and if not who are we on? and if he is not returning, why no announcement?
Didn't claim to have the inside scoop, only that a former target who has recently become available again is mentioning MU.
Announcements are usually delayed until academics are in order.
I saw a guy walking around with Fulce. He was wearing a dark blue shirt and the powder blue hat other players were wearing. He was bigger than Fulce. Is Erik Williams that big or was that a recruit?
Quote from: bma725 on June 25, 2009, 09:31:49 AM
Not exactly true. Since decommitting from USC, Derrick Williams has mentioned MU again and he's a 2009 recruit. Plus there's always Lance Stephenson.
I believe Williams is looking at Memphis and Arizona and Stephenson is looking at jail.
Acker's scholarship would be given away as a part of the 2010 class. It is just opened earlier than expected.
Maybe there was some truth to those rumors a little ways back. Still in school, but not at the BBQ...? Says alot about those rumors.
acker was there. He was just stuck in the inflatable obstacle course all night. couldn't get over the bale of hay.
I'm generally I'm agaisnt taking 1 and done player's. But if Stephenson gets his legal trouble cleared up and can get by the clearing house would you take him for 1 year. I would rather take a 1 and done player in the 2009 class because I want the ship for 2010, so Derrick Williams would not really excite me since he is basically the same player's as JM and EW. Stephenson is more of a 2-3 and is a bigger guard which we do not really have. The downsides are Team chemistry, the possibility he will not fulfill both semester's acdemically, and the general feeling that you may be becoming Memphis and the old Cincy with taking player's that have had legal trouble in the past? If you read articles on him he does seem to play hard, play D and rebound? I would say if a SHIP is avaliable and all the above came true I would be 35%-65%. the 35% yes would be on the assumption that Buzz sat down with him and told him he has to finish the 1st and 2nd semester in good standing, Buzz gets a really good grasp of how the legal trouble arouse (and feels comfortable with it) and he gurantee's nothing other than who ever gives us the best chance to win plays. If Stephenson plays in college next year my guess is we will not know where until mid AUG. I'm not saying that BUZZ has or will look at him BTW, he has never ever mentioned us. I was Curious what other's think?
Quote from: GOMU1104 on June 25, 2009, 09:57:16 AM
Acker's scholarship would be given away as a part of the 2010 class. It is just opened earlier than expected.
Good point. really nothing to bank.
Quote from: kmwtrucks on June 25, 2009, 10:25:23 AM
I'm generally I'm agaisnt taking 1 and done player's. But if Stephenson gets his legal trouble cleared up and can get by the clearing house would you take him for 1 year. I would rather take a 1 and done player in the 2009 class because I want the ship for 2010, so Derrick Williams would not really excite me since he is basically the same player's as JM and EW. Stephenson is more of a 2-3 and is a bigger guard which we do not really have. The downsides are Team chemistry, the possibility he will not fulfill both semester's acdemically, and the general feeling that you may be becoming Memphis and the old Cincy with taking player's that have had legal trouble in the past? If you read articles on him he does seem to play hard, play D and rebound? I would say if a SHIP is avaliable and all the above came true I would be 35%-65%. the 35% yes would be on the assumption that Buzz sat down with him and told him he has to finish the 1st and 2nd semester in good standing, Buzz gets a really good grasp of how the legal trouble arouse (and feels comfortable with it) and he gurantee's nothing other than who ever gives us the best chance to win plays. If Stephenson plays in college next year my guess is we will not know where until mid AUG. I'm not saying that BUZZ has or will look at him BTW, he has never ever mentioned us. I was Curious what other's think?
Nope. Against it. MU needs to stay away from guys like Stephenson. We don't need to win that badly.
Quote from: bma725 on June 25, 2009, 09:38:27 AM
Didn't claim to have the inside scoop, only that a former target who has recently become available again is mentioning MU.
Announcements are usually delayed until academics are in order.
bma- you are far too modest to claim to have the inside scoop. you talk, we listen.
Quote from: BrewCity on June 25, 2009, 10:44:31 AM
Nope. Against it. MU needs to stay away from guys like Stephenson. We don't need to win that badly.
The way it's looking with Stephenson, no one needs to win that badly.
The one-and-dones don't need to worry about academics in the second semester, and at many schools in the first semester either. Ask Carmelo about the four credits he racked up at Syracuse.
Quote from: BrewCity on June 25, 2009, 10:44:31 AM
Nope. Against it. MU needs to stay away from guys like Stephenson. We don't need to win that badly.
The only way I would take Stephenson is as a practice only player. If he stays clean for that year and does not cause any trouble, then he could be a full part of the team.
Actually we (Buzz) would take Stephenson in a heartbeat and we should always try and scoop up the best talent possible. A lot of these kids have been coddled since elementary school and they just need to get their head out of their ass. I am confident Buzz can do that, and if he washes out then so be it but you HAVE to take the chance.
Quote from: CAINMUTINY on June 25, 2009, 12:00:49 PM
Actually we (Buzz) would take Stephenson in a heartbeat and we should always try and scoop up the best talent possible. A lot of these kids have been coddled since elementary school and they just need to get their head out of their ass. I am confident Buzz can do that, and if he washes out then so be it but you HAVE to take the chance.
Exactly. No matter where these young men have been in their lives thus far or how good they are at basketball, they are still impressionable young men. If we get them in the right situation with the right people around them we could help mold them into well rounded and grounded individuals.
Never underestimate the power of taking a troubled youth away from their idiotic peer group and surrounding them with positive influences.
Stephenson is going to Eurpoe.
There are serious questions about his amateur status, and not to mention his pending legal issues...
Quote from: Skatastrophy on June 25, 2009, 12:17:56 PM
Exactly. No matter where these young men have been in their lives thus far or how good they are at basketball, they are still impressionable young men. If we get them in the right situation with the right people around them we could help mold them into well rounded and grounded individuals.
Never underestimate the power of taking a troubled youth away from their idiotic peer group and surrounding them with positive influences.
Your assumption is that the peer group is the problem. With Lance the peer group isn't the issue, it's his family. And they'll be with him no matter where he goes.
I love it how so many people are against the one-and-dones....until it comes to their own school possibly getting one. Then? Break out the excuses and reasoning on how 'this kids' different', or 'just give Buzz a shot! He'll fix em." Just an observation.
Personally, I hope that MU stays away from kids like that. Now, if they get someone who just plays nuts and leaves early (Wade), I have no problems with that. But if you know going in that the kid's taking one semester of school? No. Not for me.
Quote from: CAINMUTINY on June 25, 2009, 12:00:49 PM
Actually we (Buzz) would take Stephenson in a heartbeat and we should always try and scoop up the best talent possible. A lot of these kids have been coddled since elementary school and they just need to get their head out of their ass. I am confident Buzz can do that, and if he washes out then so be it but you HAVE to take the chance.
You don't want any part of Stephenson. None. Zero. Major, major issues. He is not the kid to take a chance on.
If Buzz does that, then we know things aren't on the up and up in Milwaukee.
If Lance Stephenson were the last piece of the puzzle in an experienced team, he would be worth a shot. IMO, having him around next year isn't going to win us a BE title or get us to the final four and actually may stunt both the individual development, as well as the team development, of a young group of guys who we are going to be counting on down the line.
I just don't know what he does for us. Turns us from an 12th place BE team to a 6th place team? So what?