ON BOTH ENDS HE F'ED UP
there's no doubt...
Bad shots+bad D+laziness= Jerel McNeal. Terrible >:(
Ahhh just shut up
McNeal should never handle the ball with 30 sec again. I would rather give it to Jimmy or Mo. wow
4-16, 4 fouls, and 4 T.O. Guess who? You're Marquette all-time scorer.
What about the T on Buzz? What about the soft D just before the halftime when reynolds or fisher took it singlehandedly the length of the floor for a layup. Neither are McNeals fault. But yes, he did have his head up his azz on a lot of plays today.
Jerel McNeal = most frustrating MU player ever!!!
He's a good player, but oftentimes selfish. He played today like he was the only worthy player on the court in the first half. It cost us dearly. In the 2nd half, we make a huge comeback based on the contributions from everyone, including McNeal who finally decides to pass to guys who have open looks. Then with a minute left, McNeal goes back to believing he's Jordan and just watches the clock run down and shoots a terrible 3. I believe he was fouled on his final attempt - but it was him against 3 defenders cuz everyone knows he's going to shoot. To them forget to play defense - inexcusable. That is not senior leadership!!!!
Okay, seriously? Yeah, he blew it on that last play but horrible team FG percentage in the first half cost us the game, amongst other things.
youre kidding me right? the kid busts his balls all day and leads the team and you blame the loss on him?!
should have defended better on the last play but give me a break he did not cost us the game
He's Brett Favre in sneakers.
Makes jaw-dropping plays... both outstanding and idiotic.
I'll still take my chances with him though.
I'd throw in Wes, he was beyond awful, should have worn a blindfold shooting the ball.
Again, doesn't bother to show up for a big game.
Quote from: AlumKCof93 on March 12, 2009, 03:59:58 PM
Jerel McNeal = most frustrating MU player ever!!!
He's a good player, but oftentimes selfish. He played today like he was the only worthy player on the court in the first half.
I have to disagree with you a little bit here. Once Acker went to the bench with the second foul, McNeal was forced into being the primary ball handler running the offense in the first half. That is not his game but it is not his fault. Cooby didn't want anything to do with the ball. DJ out and no other point guard on the team.
Same at the end of the game. Buzz put him in a position that is not suited for him. If DJ is healthy, he has the ball with 40 seconds left.
That's the thing - the whole team busted their asses to get back into it, not just McNeal. He puts it all on himself and it costs us. How does a senior with 4 yrs experience forget to guard his guy with less than 3 secs left. Its inexcusable!!!
MUfanatic - you may be right. Its just so hard to have another crushing loss so soon after the loss to Syracuse. All we needed to do was play defense for 10 secs . . . .
Not making excuses on the defensive end. I can't remember in detail the last 5-6 seconds but McNeal was on the floor when he took his shot on the offensive end. Picked himself up. Sprinted down the court. Had to find a man and than guard him.
Did he find and guard the open man? Was he juked? Did the player with the ball have a step in the lane? Did McNeal have to help out?
I don't know the answers as I can't remember the detail. Is he the one to give 100% of the blame for that one play???????
Nah...He was in position, just got caught ball watching. If he sticks with his man at all...MU wins.
yah sorry if you missed the last play but 4 guys played solid defense and nova was forced into a fadeaway 15 foot well guarded shot until the player notice Jerel ball watching as his man back cut him for the layup. Absolutely entirely 100% Jerels fault. As was his metality of having to carry the team, it is a team game Jerel and i dont believe it is selfishness just not a good understanding of moving the ball and getting everyone else involved. He simpled torpedoed almost every time he touches the ball trying to do too much with Dj out. We are at our best with him on the bench the last two games, he is killing us. Brett favre in sneakers is a great analogy. Wins some games but alos almost single handedly loses games for us that were it not for him we would win. I persoanlly am so frustarted with 4 years of it that i will be happy when he gets his diploma. terrible basketball IQ players are so infuriating to watch, to not improve your mental part of the game over 4 years is inexcusable.
Thank God we're not letting him off the hook.
I cheer on players who hold themselves accountable, like Lazar when he misses a three:
He smacks his hands together hard, so even his body knows he messed up.
THEN, he hustles down the court to play some D.
Jerel? He immediately forgives himself when he screws up. He needs a longer memory, I'm sick of hearing how important short term memories are in sports. Yeah, don't destroy yourself after blowing one, but remember why i happened.
If we dont get to the sweet 16; i wouldnt consider throwing up mcneals number in the rafters.
What? McNeal's number doesn't belong in the rafters. Are you kidding? As it is, having Doc Rivers up there is a joke. Including McNeal would be obscene.
ok ill take that back (sorry still super pissed about the end of the game). :'(
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on March 12, 2009, 04:35:16 PM
I persoanlly am so frustarted with 4 years of it that i will be happy when he gets his diploma.
That's a pretty stupid comment, of course it's par for the course for you.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 12, 2009, 05:02:32 PM
Including McNeal would be obscene.
Really, including the guy who has the most points in an MU career would be obscene? Welcome back PRN, good to have your constant bit#$ting about MU back.
I just saw the final play again and its unforgivable. A 4-yr senior? Wow!!!
McNeal has no idea where his guy is. As the Nova player makes a cut, McNeal who hasn't looked or touched his guy in seconds assumes the player moves away from the basket so McNeal moves away from the action. It leaves the Nova guy absolutely wide open. McNeals teammates must be pissed - it was unbelievably bad.
The fact of the matter is MU is not deep enough to have certain players play their natural positions especially in such a foul happy game as todays. Yea its the BE tournament but last time I checked there is still the NCAA tournament. I hate how so many people diss our players so much after a 1 point loss, if we would have one this game by 1 point how different might alot of opinions be. Like was stated before the first half shooting was beyond awful, and I hate how the tendency is to look at a couple plays when the fact of the matter is that MU didn't do a lot of things well. NOVA threw guys repeatedly at MU that were bigger, we should commend the hard work and hustle over the past couple of games despite the results.
I haven't seen this brought up yet - not specifically - but I haven't read every comment either. This seems like as good a place as any to throw this out there. I saw it live, but they never replayed it on TV because the final shot by Villanova was all they replayed the rest of the evening. Jerel drives to the bucket, is double teamed. As he nears the basket, another defender steps over - triple teamed! Now, who was our player on the other side of the bucket whose man left him to help triple team Jerel - was it Wes, Lazar, Jimmy? I saw it developing and I'm screaming at the TV - "Give it up, pass the ball!" It was an easy dunk or at least a layup. He has to know he's double teamed and should realize that means at least one other man is open. But when the third guy comes over - GIVE UP THE BALL. Where is his court sense? Where3 is his basketball IQ? It would be one thing if he was "in the zone". and hitting everything - having one of those days. But he had an awful day up to that point. Perhaps after someone can post the final minute on the board here -it will appear differently.
Quote from: damuts222 on March 12, 2009, 06:21:31 PM
I hate how so many people diss our players so much after a 1 point loss, if we would have one this game by 1 point how different might alot of opinions be.
Good point. The guys played their guts out and had a GREAT 2nd half. The "new" team is starting to work well together.
I don't think many here mean to "diss" the players. For good and bad, MU has a relatively knowledgeable fan base. Most of the folks here watch hoops as if their lives depend on it, and I think the "dissing" is really just wishing to keep mistakes from being repeated. We don't have a driect like to Buzz or the players, so we vent to each other.
Now, we just need Buzz to schedule some time reading here so we can help him out. :)
Listen, there is no doubt that he takes some bad shots, but most of the time he is one of our best defenders. If you watch he was sliding into help out( and maybe he sould not have) but he was in position to take the charge had there not been the dump off. I am frustrated with his bad shot on the last three but the fact is his the best player on this team, and we ae going to need him in the tourny. Everyone CALM down yes we lost, but in the end the entire team showed heart and I bet the team would have wanted their leading scorer to take the shot. My better question is why do we even take a shot? Why not take the violation there would have been only 4 seconds left and we could have pressed them in the back court...that is my lone question of the night.
I'm still trying to understand why Marquette lets McNeal touch the ball with less than a minute to go in a tight game. He's a "chucker," and forces horrible shots. That three-point shot with two defenders on him, and 20 seconds on the shot clock was garbage. Not passing on that drive in the end, with three defenders on him, absolute crap. Hard to believe he is a 4-year starter.
There is doubt that McNeal is one of our best defenders. He gambles on d - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
But in that final play, all he needed to do was stay on the worst offensive player Nova had out there. Instead, he was watching the game. He didn't come to help out on defense - he actually moved out of the way thinking his guy moved away from the basket instead of directly underneath it. Unbelievably bad play.
Basic defense! Even if he isn't watching his man (like he should) he has to be closer to the baseline to keep his man in front of him to receive the ball.
Quoteyes we lost, but in the end the entire team showed heart
Is there a new column for heart? Wins / Losses / Played with heart?
I'd prefer played with brains, which doesn't lend itself to McNeal.
Quote from: jtsanto on March 12, 2009, 06:28:02 PM
If you watch he was sliding into help out( and maybe he sould not have) but he was in position to take the charge had there not been the dump off.
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I don't see how you can say he was sliding in. If anything, he was shading to the outside. There is no way anyone can come up with any excuse for his defense on the last play. I have no idea why we were so spread out on D on that last play, but even so if McNeal doesn't fall asleep it doesn't matter.
Quote from: jtsanto on March 12, 2009, 06:28:02 PM
If you watch he was sliding into help out( and maybe he sould not have) but he was in position to take the charge had there not been the dump off.
I don't know what you were watching but he was not in position to draw a charge without the dump off (he had only one foot in the lane), nor was he in position to defend anybody. I think he just had a brain cramp. Figured time was short and Nova would have to shoot rather than pass, though there was plenty of time for the dish.
He made three horrible decisions in the last minute of the game, and it cost us. As for his defense, let's be clear. He is a wonderful help defender, great at getting into passing lanes. He is an average on-the-ball defender.
In the end, since James left we're asking the guy to do too much. McNeal has never been the headiest of players, but couple fatigue with increased responsibilities and he's wilting a little . Could happen to anybody.
Quote from: jtsanto on March 12, 2009, 06:28:02 PM
Listen, there is no doubt that he takes some bad shots, but most of the time he is one of our best defenders. If you watch he was sliding into help out( and maybe he sould not have) but he was in position to take the charge had there not been the dump off. I am frustrated with his bad shot on the last three but the fact is his the best player on this team, and we ae going to need him in the tourny. Everyone CALM down yes we lost, but in the end the entire team showed heart and I bet the team would have wanted their leading scorer to take the shot. My better question is why do we even take a shot? Why not take the violation there would have been only 4 seconds left and we could have pressed them in the back court...that is my lone question of the night.
yeah he was not hedging over to double the man with ball AT ALL. If he would have done that at least, he would have closed the passing lane and the player would not have been able to back-cut him. Butler was playing good defense, and Redding was really more cutting across the lane than driving towards the basket. Jerel covers his man and he has to take a fading off balance jumper across his body.
and in that situation you don;t even need to just "take" the violation. with one second on the shot clock, just throw it high towards the basket. The refs have to wait to see if it hits the rim before they can blow a shot clock violation. probably could have gotten it down to 2-3 seconds left of game time.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 12, 2009, 04:04:56 PM
He's Brett Favre in sneakers.
Makes jaw-dropping plays... both outstanding and idiotic.
I'll still take my chances with him though.
I said the exact same thing yesterday.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on March 13, 2009, 10:16:13 AM
and in that situation you don;t even need to just "take" the violation. with one second on the shot clock, just throw it high towards the basket. The refs have to wait to see if it hits the rim before they can blow a shot clock violation. probably could have gotten it down to 2-3 seconds left of game time.
Only if it actually hit the rim. If it missed the rim, by rule the refs would reset the game clock to 5 seconds.
Please stop w the Brett Favre comparisons...
it's silly.
Not sure if you noticed....this is basketball
Quote from: soloWarrior on March 13, 2009, 10:27:56 AM
Please stop w the Brett Favre comparisons...
it's silly.
Not sure if you noticed....this is basketball
No sh*t sherlock. The point was that he makes great plays, but then tries to do too much and turns the ball over.
No one is comparing them directly, but rather their respective playing styles.
Another 5 post wonder comes out of the woodwork after a loss...
Quote from: bma725 on March 13, 2009, 10:25:14 AM
Only if it actually hit the rim. If it missed the rim, by rule the refs would reset the game clock to 5 seconds.
fair enough. but if it catches rim...it's game over.
Quote from: soloWarrior on March 13, 2009, 10:27:56 AM
Please stop w the Brett Favre comparisons...
it's silly.
Not sure if you noticed....this is basketball
How dense are you?
Compare the heartache/elation each has given their respective fans. Absolutely valid analogy.
You must be a Vikings fan.
bellicose speech from the Favre fans...not surprising.
Quote from: soloWarrior on March 13, 2009, 12:45:20 PM
bellicose speech from the Favre fans...not surprising.
Doesn't make it any less valid
Quote from: soloWarrior on March 13, 2009, 10:27:56 AM
Please stop w the Brett Favre comparisons...
it's silly.
Not sure if you noticed....this is basketball
Ever heard of an analogy? Comparable situations (i.e. players who do things that make you both scratch your head in disbelief and jump out of your chair in celebration) in different contexts (in this case, football vs. basketball). I'd say it's a pretty apt comparison.
Favre is a Hall of Famer with a myriad of experiences in crunch time....
while Jerel is a kid trying to make good from country club hills
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on March 13, 2009, 10:16:13 AM
yeah he was not hedging over to double the man with ball AT ALL. If he would have done that at least, he would have closed the passing lane and the player would not have been able to back-cut him. Butler was playing good defense, and Redding was really more cutting across the lane than driving towards the basket. Jerel covers his man and he has to take a fading off balance jumper across his body.
and in that situation you don;t even need to just "take" the violation. with one second on the shot clock, just throw it high towards the basket. The refs have to wait to see if it hits the rim before they can blow a shot clock violation. probably could have gotten it down to 2-3 seconds left of game time.
Now, now. McNeal was at fault on the play by losing his man but I can see how he got mesmerized. The Nova player did have a step on Butler and he was dribbling right at McNeal on a diagonal. McNeal hesitated I am sure with the thoughts of do I help out, stand my ground, and dam he just passed the ball.
Matthews also had the chance of at least making a last second run at Anderson to at least maybe make him rush the shot but he just took two slow steps as he was also mesmerized by the dam he is wide open going for a layup.
What are you going to do.
Here is my take on McNeal. He makes some great plays, and plays best when he lets the game come to him. But like DJ in the past, often tries to do everything himself. He is a great player, but a great player that makes too many turnovers, and takes too many ill-advised shots. That is the big difference between what Wade did when he was here compared to McNeal. Wade would involve his teammates, and rarely took a bad shot.
If the game is on the line, McNeal has it in his mind that he has to take the shot. That 3 point shot was one of the worst decisions I've seen all year. He did the same thing against Syracuse, except made it though. I still thought the shot in Syracuse game was not a good shot though.
OMG!! enough of this already on what was Jerel trying to do on the last play. he was not doing anything, he panicked in the moment and froze while being mesmerized by the ball. he was not helping, he was not guarding his man he was standing their watching the ball. he panicked his brain shut off and he stood their and watched the ball. Unfortunately for Jerel during tight moments his blood flow does not enter his brain.
Please people stop trying to read the tea leaves he stood and watched the ball and froze. Happens in basketball all the time and in other sports just the same. You just hope the ball watching diminishes as the player leaves grade school and advances in sport. Worst case of ball watching in a huge moment since Akeem Olajuwon in April 1983.
OMG!!!! I understand!!!!!Your Perfect!!!!!