Funny Cords was at the Indiana - Wisconsin game yesterday!
At least the second Indiana game he has attended! Didn't even allow staff to wear Red at MU meetings. How quickly things can change@@@@@
Well, then he got to see a good old fashioned ass kicking.
He's no longer employed by MU right? How would going to that game and wearing an IU sweater make him a traitor?
Yes, he's a traitor.
He should be fired.
Wait.
What?
He doesn't work at MU anymore?
Hmm...
Well, let's spray paint his car instead.
Some of you guys are nuts.
for once, I can agree with 2k2.
How DARE Cords remain friends with the man he hired, the man that took MU to the Final Four. Of all the things Cords has done...I mean this...THIS...takes the cake.
Cords, and Dick Strong, have been at several Indiana games this year.
Cords is only there because Crean hasn't figured out whose ass to bury his nose in. Once he gets that settled, you won't see Cords behind the bench. Or Dick Strong. He'll have new "friends."
I know IU is a more desirable job than MU and I don't blame the horse's ass for taking it, but the guy is obviously still clinging to Marquette. I suspect that will last the rest of his career, particularly after he gets fired after year 4 or 5.
And I pray to God in heaven that he's never welcomed back to Marquette in any capacity -- even to be introduced to the crowd. Well, maybe we'd all like a chance to boo the pompous prick.
How do you even know this? Who frigging cares?
What happened to all "Tom Crean thread" going to the Superbar?
5 posts in, I was hoping to get a chance to be the first person to ignore PRN but 2 people already beat me to it. Does he even realize MU has already played a season with a new coach?
Quote from: RawdogDX on March 09, 2009, 04:20:11 PM
5 posts in, I was hoping to get a chance to be the first person to ignore PRN but 2 people already beat me to it. Does he even realize MU has already played a season with a new coach?
I think he entered his pod and went into hibernation.
Damn right he shouldn't have allowed Red or UW crap to be worn in the athletic department.
Glad to hear that policy stayed consistent
Cords and TC had a professional relationship that obviously grew into a personal friendship. I'm glad Cords was there. It shows that TC hasn't forgotten where he came from. He owes Bill Cords a great deal. Nice to see they are still in touch.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 09, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
Cords is only there because Crean hasn't figured out whose ass to bury his nose in. Once he gets that settled, you won't see Cords behind the bench. Or Dick Strong. He'll have new "friends."
I know IU is a more desirable job than MU and I don't blame the horse's ass for taking it, but the guy is obviously still clinging to Marquette. I suspect that will last the rest of his career, particularly after he gets fired after year 4 or 5.
And I pray to God in heaven that he's never welcomed back to Marquette in any capacity -- even to be introduced to the crowd. Well, maybe we'd all like a chance to boo the pompous prick.
Ladies and gentlemen, PRN.
I, for one, am glad to have the crazy SOB back.
Well when TC took the IU job there were to be no strings attached; but they didn't say anything about Cords.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 09, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
Cords is only there because Crean hasn't figured out whose ass to bury his nose in. Once he gets that settled, you won't see Cords behind the bench. Or Dick Strong. He'll have new "friends."
I know IU is a more desirable job than MU and I don't blame the horse's ass for taking it, but the guy is obviously still clinging to Marquette. I suspect that will last the rest of his career, particularly after he gets fired after year 4 or 5.
And I pray to God in heaven that he's never welcomed back to Marquette in any capacity -- even to be introduced to the crowd. Well, maybe we'd all like a chance to boo the pompous prick.
Get a grip dude.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 09, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
Cords is only there because Crean hasn't figured out whose ass to bury his nose in. Once he gets that settled, you won't see Cords behind the bench. Or Dick Strong. He'll have new "friends."
I know IU is a more desirable job than MU and I don't blame the horse's ass for taking it, but the guy is obviously still clinging to Marquette. I suspect that will last the rest of his career, particularly after he gets fired after year 4 or 5.
And I pray to God in heaven that he's never welcomed back to Marquette in any capacity -- even to be introduced to the crowd. Well, maybe we'd all like a chance to boo the pompous prick.
He's not going to be fired after year 4 or 5.
Cords and Crean were in the trenches together and went through a lot of sweat equity to get the program back into shape. That will be a lifelong relationship and has nothing to do with putting a nose anywhere.
Bill Cords was at Senior Day the other day for Marquette. He waited patiently to congratulate all of the seniors (and probably thank them). I have no problems with Bill. I thought he did a great job and really think he has earned the right to do what he wants with his time.
Rudy
Quote from: rudy11963 on March 09, 2009, 08:11:17 PM
Bill Cords was at Senior Day the other day for Marquette. He waited patiently to congratulate all of the seniors (and probably thank them). I have no problems with Bill. I thought he did a great job and really think he has earned the right to do what he wants with his time.
Rudy
+1 absolutely he does. No issues.
I have no problems with Cords supporting TC.
But that Dick Strong reference made me chuckle...Imagine his teacher calling roll on the first day...last name FIRST.
Other than the fact is name is probably richard...
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 09, 2009, 07:56:36 PM
He's not going to be fired after year 4 or 5.
You know the expectations at IU as well as anyone. Do you really think TC has what it takes to not get fired at IU? I know he'll win and run a clean program but can he either win multiple Big Ten titles or win a NC? 4 or 5 is probably wrong, but I think he's done in 6 or 7. At the level they'll expect him to compete, I think he'll be exposed.
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on March 09, 2009, 10:53:46 PM
You know the expectations at IU as well as anyone. Do you really think TC has what it takes to not get fired at IU? I know he'll win and run a clean program but can he either win multiple Big Ten titles or win a NC? 4 or 5 is probably wrong, but I think he's done in 6 or 7. At the level they'll expect him to compete, I think he'll be exposed.
If he can compete at little old Marquette and go to a Final Four playing in an absolute dump like the Old Gym, then he can do wonders at IU.
They have a brand new arena coming, kids from throughout the state begging to wear the candy stripes....he'll do just fine. Sure there will be people bitching, but they were bitching about Knight when I was there, too. That's always going to happen.
They have a huge contract invested in him, he has the #3 recruiting class coming in this coming year and another great one lined up right behind it. He's going to do very well.
I'm not sure what "exposed" he'll be. Let's not forget that "exposed" coach had the 2nd best run in Marquette history. I hope Buzz is equally "exposed" if it gives us 20+ wins each year and trips to the NCAA tournament, future NBA players playing for us. Give me that exposure all day long!!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 10, 2009, 01:09:53 AM
If he can compete at little old Marquette and go to a Final Four playing in an absolute dump like the Old Gym, then he can do wonders at IU.
When you fall ass backwards into a player like Wade, it doesn't matter what the practice facility is.
Tom Crean is a very good coach for a school like MU (where I differ from many is I don't think he walks on water) that being said, I think he is an average coach for IU expectations. Assuming his recruiting improves b/c of the locale, I still think his absolute ineptness in-game will hurt him.
Remember, IU fired a coach who got to the title game.
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on March 10, 2009, 08:19:16 AM
Remember, IU fired a coach who got to the title game.
That had more to do with his race, and who he replaced than his coaching abilities.
Quote from: bma725 on March 10, 2009, 08:52:42 AM
That had more to do with his race, and who he replaced than his coaching abilities.
You're probably right, in fact I know you're right...though it does show, it's not that enlightened of a crowd down there.
Anyone that thinks TC is going to fail at IU is not taking emotion out of the mix. I pray that the current MU coach has the same success at MU that TC did. If you are an outsider looking in who would you rather be professionally:
TC@IU
or
Buzz@MU
In my opinion it is a no brainer. TC has a much easier job ahead of him moving forward. I remember how fast the BC emptied out when we sucked and the pressure is on Buzz. I will say again I think Buzz is in over his head at MU.
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on March 10, 2009, 08:19:16 AM
Tom Crean is a very good coach for a school like MU (where I differ from many is I don't think he walks on water) that being said, I think he is an average coach for IU expectations. Assuming his recruiting improves b/c of the locale, I still think his absolute ineptness in-game will hurt him.
Remember, IU fired a coach who got to the title game.
This makes no sense to me at all. He was able to win here, do you not remeber all the W's or being consistenly ranked? He will be able to recruit better players, the kind he couldn't get to come here for whatever reason. Thus he will have a more talented team in a weaker conference, why wouldn't he win a title? Have you looked at his recruiting class? He has better players coming in at the 4 and 5 coming in than he ever got to come to MU.
6'8 SF http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=43737 (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=43737)
6'11 C http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=42955 (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=42955)
6'8 PF http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=54840 (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=54840)
6'5 SG http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=53944 (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=53944)
All graded 90 or better, all in the top 100. Apperently the only thing crean ever did right at MU was find one diamond in the rough and he ended up with a final four showing. Now he can go to the diamond mine and get what he wants.
I have no doubt his recruiting will be significantly improved. And I have great respect for what he did for MU hoops. No small feat at all. I also greatly respect his unmatched work ethic and game prep. What I think will catch up with him in the high stakes games will be his in-game coaching.
This isn't emotion talking, I harbor no ill will for him leaving. We got 9 years out of him. Probably 4 more than a program like ours normally gets. It was a good run, for us. IU is a different animal and just b/c you have the horses doesn't mean you win it all. And that's what matters down there. They don't hang banners for winning the CBE. He could go to three Elite 8s in a row and be on the hot seat.
Do you all think he'll exceed what Tubby did at UK?
Maybe Crean could not get the recruits even after a FF run because the word was out that he was looking elsewhere and wouldn't be there for the recruits' 4 years or they just plain did not trust him when he said he would stay. Calipari must be more trustworthy ::) He's reloading just fine.
This is an understatement - "Capobianco has a tendency to drift to the perimeter and hoist up jumpers and he does his best work when he stays around the rim, though he needs to continue to improve his post moves."
I've seen the guy play 3 times - never would have started for MU, if Maymon and Williams are anywhere near as advertised. Not the banger inside that they portray. Terrible 3-pt percentage, although nice arc on shot - usually comes up short. He would be completely overmatched and out of place in the Big East. This guy was not a loss for MU.
I haven't seen their other recruits play, but is this IU class getting a little more pub than deserved just because Tan Tommy and his marketing machine took over?
Quote from: THEGYMBAR on March 10, 2009, 10:42:51 AM
Anyone that thinks TC is going to fail at IU is not taking emotion out of the mix. I pray that the current MU coach has the same success at MU that TC did. If you are an outsider looking in who would you rather be professionally:
TC@IU
or
Buzz@MU
In my opinion it is a no brainer. TC has a much easier job ahead of him moving forward. I remember how fast the BC emptied out when we sucked and the pressure is on Buzz. I will say again I think Buzz is in over his head at MU.
TC is going to get it done at IU. He has great classes lined up and the only people who don't think he will be successful post on MU boards. Around the country, TC is well regarded.
I agree on Buzz. The next two years will tell the tale. If his guys are a bust, MU will crater in the BE. He got by on TC's guys this year. Next year is a COMPLETELY different story.
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on March 10, 2009, 08:19:16 AM
Tom Crean is a very good coach for a school like MU (where I differ from many is I don't think he walks on water) that being said, I think he is an average coach for IU expectations. Assuming his recruiting improves b/c of the locale, I still think his absolute ineptness in-game will hurt him.
Remember, IU fired a coach who got to the title game.
Yes, but Mike Davis' problem is that he went to the title game as an interim coach. Crean goes from ground zero which means he has nowhere to go but up. As such, the expectations are so different.
Davis always had to justify how he got there with someone else's players. Crean won't have to do that.
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on March 10, 2009, 09:00:16 AM
You're probably right, in fact I know you're right...though it does show, it's not that enlightened of a crowd down there.
Actually you are both wrong. His record slipped every year he was at IU. And I believe has been slipping since he's been at UAB.
Furthermore, he was replaced by a black coach.
Quote from: The Wizard of West Salem on March 12, 2009, 08:28:14 AM
Actually you are both wrong. His record slipped every year he was at IU. And I believe has been slipping since he's been at UAB.
Furthermore, he was replaced by a black coach.
Kelvin Sampson = Native American
Kelvin Sampson = Native African American
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on March 12, 2009, 08:46:46 AM
Kelvin Sampson = Native American
Well, first as Brew City said, he's half Native American. So your point is that the fine IU folk don't mind their black coaches as long as they aren't too black?
Kelvin Sampson = douchebag, regardless of heritage
Therefore Crean=douchebag by association
Quote from: BrewCity on March 12, 2009, 09:16:33 AM
Kelvin Sampson = Native African American
Native American from Africa??? Does not compute. ;)
Did TC overachieve at 6-25 (1-17 in conferference) this year? I think a true tier 1 coach could have beaten Lipscomb College in Bloomington so I'll say no.
Where are people getting this Sampson is 1/2 black stuff? Every story I've read is that he's Native American.