George Thompson's record of 1773 points should fall in about 5 games. McNeal at 1652 and James at 1648.
It is entirely possible, that McNeal ends up first all-time in scoring and steals, with James quite possibly second in both scoring and assists. Not a gimmie by any means, but that would really be something.
Perhaps the announcers of every game can stop talking about how James will likely finish as the all-time leading scorer, now that McNeal has passed him...
Not to throw cold water on their accomplishment, but Geroge set the record in 3 seasons, not 4, with no 3 pt baskets.
That's why I find it so incredible that record has held up as long as it has.
I hope Thompson doesn't find it offensive that someone is breaking his scoring record.
Quote from: reinko on January 26, 2009, 10:34:07 AM
I hope Thompson doesn't find it offensive that someone is breaking his scoring record.
+1
All records are made to be broken.
Quote from: reinko on January 26, 2009, 10:34:07 AM
I hope Thompson doesn't find it offensive that someone is breaking his scoring record.
He showed enthusiasm a few years ago when Diener was on his way to breaking the record. With Crean gone, it would be a nice move if Buzz got Thompson involved down the stretch here with his record falling.
The record lasting all these years is simply amazing. Brute Force was an unreal player and while he may not be #1 for long it does not diminish his place in MU history. He was a joy to watch.
Quote from: Arshavin, Finally on January 26, 2009, 11:02:43 AM
He showed enthusiasm a few years ago when Diener was on his way to breaking the record. With Crean gone, it would be a nice move if Buzz got Thompson involved down the stretch here with his record falling.
My comment was a veiled response to when GT got a little hot under the collar about his jersey #.
Quote from: reinko on January 26, 2009, 10:34:07 AM
I hope Thompson doesn't find it offensive that someone is breaking his scoring record.
You cannot compare a 3 year accomplishment to a 4 year 30 game a season player.
GT is still the leader in my book.
DJ is not even on the same planet as far as assists to Tony Miller!
Quote from: Warrior1969 on January 26, 2009, 11:41:10 AM
DJ is not even on the same planet as far as assists to Tony Miller!
OK. And?
I'd argue that George not only put MU on the basketball map, but was more valuble than Jerel and James combined. Too bad Crean chose to bitch-slap Brute Force and pee on a Warrior icon.
Quote from: reinko on January 26, 2009, 11:19:30 AM
My comment was a veiled response to when GT got a little hot under the collar about his jersey #.
As he should be. The whole "we don't retire numbers, we retire jerseys" is seriously retarded.
Quote from: Pastor of Muppets on January 26, 2009, 01:30:36 PM
As he should be. The whole "we don't retire numbers, we retire jerseys" is seriously retarded.
You don't have much choice if you are a program that is long running and has a history of success. You either retire nothing, or do the jersey.
dont go there or Dodds will rededicate his entire board and about 3 weeks to defending Crean and trying to convince eveyone that Mu is about to run out of numbers.
Just doesnt pass the smell test does it?
Quote from: bma725 on January 26, 2009, 01:36:52 PM
You don't have much choice if you are a program that is long running and has a history of success. You either retire nothing, or do the jersey.
There are 100 possible numbers that a player can wear. I doubt we are in serious trouble of running out.
edit: Actually there are 101...0 and 00 are distinctive numbers.
Quote from: Pastor of Muppets on January 26, 2009, 01:41:14 PM
There are 100 possible numbers that a player can wear. I doubt we are in serious trouble of running out.
edit: Actually there are 101...0 and 00 are distinctive numbers.
I believe that players can only have numbers that include the digits 0 - 5 so that ref's can signal to the scorer who a foul is on with one hand. i.e. a player can be 45, but not 46.
Quote from: DoubleMU0609 on January 26, 2009, 01:47:35 PM
I believe there players can only have numbers that include the digits 0 - 5 so that ref's can signal to the scorer who a foul is on with one hand. i.e. a player can be 45, but not 46.
FACT
Quote from: DoubleMU0609 on January 26, 2009, 01:47:35 PM
I believe there players can only have numbers that include the digits 0 - 5 so that ref's can signal to the scorer who a foul is on with one hand. i.e. a player can be 45, but not 46.
Is that *still* the case? Jeez, I know they still have that at the high school level, but even youth teams are allowed didgits greater than 5. That's still 61 numbers though. And we've retired something like 10 right?
I think we're OK.
(http://www.espn.go.com/media/pg2/2005/0928/photo/g_muresan_195.jpg)
Is that only a rule in college?
Quote from: mviale on January 26, 2009, 11:24:20 AM
You cannot compare a 3 year accomplishment to a 4 year 30 game a season player.
GT is still the leader in my book.
Perhaps an asterisk is in order? ;)
Not to diminish Thompson's accomplishments, but the truth is that had Dwyane Wade played more than two seasons, the record would have fallen five years ago. Same thing if not for Travis Diener's tackling dummy issues.
Quote from: Pastor of Muppets on January 26, 2009, 01:51:39 PM
Is that *still* the case? Jeez, I know they still have that at the high school level, but even youth teams are allowed didgits greater than 5. That's still 61 numbers though. And we've retired something like 10 right?
I think we're OK.
How did you come up with 61. I am coming up with 31 (00, 0-5, 10-15, 20-25, 30-35, 40-45, 50-55).
I think doing it either way is fine as long as it is a clearly stated policy (ie-I think UNC only retires jerseys not numbers).
Quote from: jmayer1 on January 26, 2009, 02:09:00 PM
How did you come up with 61. I am coming up with 31 (00, 0-5, 10-15, 20-25, 30-35, 40-45, 50-55).
I think I'm just going to shut-up now and pretend this entire thread never happened. :-\
Sorry Navin thought you were saying that DJ could finish first in assists.
Quote from: jmayer1 on January 26, 2009, 02:09:00 PM
How did you come up with 61. I am coming up with 31 (00, 0-5, 10-15, 20-25, 30-35, 40-45, 50-55).
Agree with the numbers, but that's 37, not 31.
Also, yes this is a college, not NBA rule.
Quote from: jmayer1 on January 26, 2009, 02:09:00 PM
I think doing it either way is fine as long as it is a clearly stated policy (ie-I think UNC only retires jerseys not numbers).
Agreed.
The problem is not the policy, it's just the lack of communication/consistency.
They can make it jerseys if they want, but they better get buy in from all of the former players.
Brute Force wasn't thrilled.
Quote from: WashDCWarrior on January 26, 2009, 02:50:10 PM
Agree with the numbers, but that's 37, not 31.
Haha, you're right. Good thing I proofread.
Brute should have been pissed. Retiring a number is for the very elite of a program. MU has been too soft on who gets their number retired. If you only retire the elite there are plenty of numbers to be used. I loved Earl Tatum and Luke but do not believe they should be retired. Doc is a great guy but was not a player worthy of having number retired either.
I guess only George Thompson gets excited when someone wears his number.
I don't remember Bo Ellis (31) getting all worked up when Doc Rivers (31) wore his number (both are in the rafters). And, the same for Maurice Lucas (20) when Steve Novak (20) wore his number. :o
I'm sure there are many more examples, those are just the ones off the top of my head. George needs to relax, Lazar would've represented 24 just fine!
MU has always retired jerseys, not numbers!
To redirect this thread to the scoring record... I think it was mentioned that in 5 games it will be broken.
According to my calculations, it might take longer factoring in this year's PPG.
Jerel has 1652 points and if he averages 18.9 ppg in the for the next 7 games, he will have 1784 points at the end of the Seton Hall game (passing George's 1773). If not, and averages slightly less, may get it the next game @Gtown, on TV for the whole country to see, that would be nice! I am guessing with Big East opponents Jerel will score slightly less than 19 the next 7 games, and get it vs Georgetown.
Dominic James while averaging 11.4 PPG, currently standing at 1648 points, 125 points short of George Thompson's would be set to break the record in 11 games. That would be the 2nd to last regular season game vs Pitt. If not, and averages slightly less, could get to #2 all-time on Senior Night vs Syracuse (assuming McNeal's health).
The record obviously deserves an asterik but that doesn't change the fact that Jerel & DJ are about to do what 30+ years of 4 year players have not been able to do.
Jerel and DJ are in rarified air.
There are two ways to look at scoring records:
1. Most points scored: Who scored the most points playing for Marquette? (This is the way record books typically rank scoring records. Just look at the MU wiki.) GT holds this record, and Jerel and DJ will likely both pass him this year. It is impressive how long the record has held, but as (or more?) impressive that two players will pass it in the same season.
2.Scoring average: Who had the highest per game scoring average as an MU player? Funny, but I couldn't even find this statistic in the MU wiki. Does that say something about the value placed on this (rather than just an asterisk if GT is passed for most points scored)? In any case, I believe that it is GT or Wade with the highest scoring average. This tells us about productivity, but not necessarily about longevity.
The bottom line to me is that it is amazing that GT is at or near the top of both lists, given how much time has passed since he played. Yes, Wade would've been up there if he had stayed, but he didn't. George played in, and maximized his productivity in three seasons. Jerel and DJ earned (and I mean EARNED) their standings in four years.
Quote from: 94Warrior on January 26, 2009, 04:21:41 PM
I guess only George Thompson gets excited when someone wears his number.
I don't remember Bo Ellis (31) getting all worked up when Doc Rivers (31) wore his number (both are in the rafters). And, the same for Maurice Lucas (20) when Steve Novak (20) wore his number. :o
I'm sure there are many more examples, those are just the ones off the top of my head. George needs to relax, Lazar would've represented 24 just fine!
MU has always retired jerseys, not numbers!
Neither of those were retired when the following player wore them. MU didn't retire Bo's number until a few years after Doc left, and Lucas didn't get his retired until after Novak left.
It has not always been retired jerseys, in fact if you look at the old media guides it used to say retired numbers, but after the GT incident Crean changed it to jerseys.
A four-year Marquette basketball player has already surpassed George's total. Abbie Willenborg wrapped up her 118-game career in 2000 with 1,818 points.