Can you imagine if this kid had stuck around? He would be starting over Burke and giving us a valuable presence inside and on the glass. He recently committed to Tubby Smith at Minnesota. He currently is averaging 12.4 boards a game (3rd in NCJAA) for Miami Dade (I couldn't find his scoring numbers).
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on January 23, 2009, 04:56:42 PM
Can you imagine if this kid had stuck around? He would be starting over Burke and giving us a valuable presence inside and on the glass. He recently committed to Tubby Smith at Minnesota. He currently is averaging 12.4 boards a game (3rd in NCJAA) for Miami Dade (I couldn't find his scoring numbers).
Really? This post? Good God.
1.) What on God's green earth did TM show you last year that he would have started over Burke?
2.) Burke has played out his arse this season.
3.) TM is playing at a community college level.
4.) TM is a bitch, he left like a bitch, and when he goes to Minnie he will be bitch there too.
/End rant
No use wasting our time on someone who clearly did not want to be here or as I always like to say...someone who couldn't cut it at MU. I'd rather have Hazel.
I'm not saying he would be all Big East or even scoring more than five points. But if you don't think that Mbakwe would be an upgrade over Burke athletically and skill set then your crazy. People post rediculous things about what would happen if we had Blake Griffen or Dejuan Blair. I'm just theorizing about what would have happened if Mbakwe had decided to stay.
A) Mbakwe was playing on a bum leg and could hardly walk let alone be as explosive as he truly is.
B) I don't care how hard Burke plays, its still questionable whether he's deserving to be in the Big East let alone a starter.
C) When he's putting up numbers at Minnesota don't be surprised.
I think its a valid thing to think about because we HAD the guy. Its hard to be better than 5-0 in the Big East right now but with Trevor's skill set we would have a better time weathering the cold shooting night that most certainly will come AND we'd match up better on paper against the cream of the BE which I must remind everyone we have yet to play.
With Trevor this team is a valid threat to win it all.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on January 23, 2009, 05:30:42 PMWith Trevor this team is a valid threat to win it all.
HAHA WHAT?! Trevor Mbakwe?! The sophomore who wouldn't have even been starting?! If we would've been a valid threat to win it all with him on the team, then we are currently a valid threat to win it all. He definitely would not have hurt to have had, but if you really think he could start at CENTER in the Big East then you are badly mistaken. He was 6'5"! It wasn't Hasheem Thabeet transferring out of here! A 6'5" raw athlete!
Why in the world would we bring this up at this point? So, if that freeloader stuck around would we be 18-0 instead of 16-2?! I would take a healthy and hungry Dwight Burke and Patrick Hazel (both of which want to be here) over a kid who used the University and it's Division 1 facilities/resources to rehab his knee then ditched those that made an unconditional commitment to him three days before the fall semester started any day of the week.
I'm not sure TM could help us weather a cold shooting night....is he going to out rebound and out muscle Samuels, Monroe, Harangody, Onaku, Adrien, Thabeet, Blair, etc....at 6'7"?! No way. This team cannot weather a cold shooting night with or without TM...unless we're living at the line.
TM was a waste of our time and energy....good riddance. I love our team right now....as is.
Quote from: MarquetteFan94 on January 23, 2009, 05:49:15 PM
Why in the world would we bring this up at this point? So, if that freeloader stuck around would we be 18-0 instead of 16-2?! I would take a healthy and hungry Dwight Burke and Patrick Hazel (both of which want to be here) over a kid who used the University and it's Division 1 facilities/resources to rehab his knee then ditched those that made an unconditional commitment to him three days before the fall semester started any day of the week.
I'm not sure TM could help us weather a cold shooting night....is he going to out rebound and out muscle Samuels, Monroe, Harangody, Onaku, Adrien, Thabeet, Blair, etc....at 6'7"?! No way. This team cannot weather a cold shooting night with or without TM...unless we're living at the line.
TM was a waste of our time and energy....good riddance. I love our team right now....as is.
Thank you! I agree with 100% of what you said.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on January 23, 2009, 04:56:42 PM
Can you imagine if this kid had stuck around? He would be starting over Burke and giving us a valuable presence inside and on the glass. He recently committed to Tubby Smith at Minnesota. He currently is averaging 12.4 boards a game (3rd in NCJAA) for Miami Dade (I couldn't find his scoring numbers).
Oh, Aaron. Such a foolish post. Welcome to the board.
Mbakwe is gone, Crean is gone. Its over, kaput, done, enough.
BTW, how good would this team be with Scott Christopherson?
TM would be taking costly minutes away from Patrick Hazel. Hazel has doubled TM's output from LY.
What if TM had been a real pain in the ass in the locker room?
What if he had unrealistic expectations, wanted the ball all the time and pouted when he didn't get it?
What if he got in a fist fight with Wes or Lazar and they'd broken a knuckle on his thick skull?
The post is just fine. Putting up rediculous stuff is kinda what we do. But, in this case, the downside to having a head case who attended 3 high schools and is on the way to at least 3 colleges might have been more likely.
We would win the national championship... no doubt!
Trevor who?
TBok wasnt tough enough for the BEAST mentally or physically, let it go and just enjoy the high level that THIS team (aka the guys that WANT to be here) is playing at.
My only memory of this guy was for inspiring the world's longest muscoop thread, where we traded jokes about how great he was. This was before he wound up playing and showed us essentially nothing. Now our only consolation is that the guy lost a year of eligibility for that wasted effort.
not really sure how many mintues he would be getting ...clearly would be behind Burke no question and would probably be getting HAzels minutes. Next year he would be a bench player rarely getting time. He is no dummy and with McMorrow and Otule and the signing s of williams and Mymon sw the writing on the wall, ie no minutes. he was a 6'7" center with no ball handling or shooting skilss and would be the 3rd string center and 3rd string PF next year. Cant blame the kid for bolting just the way he handled it.
All I was trying to say is that Mbakwe would be a nice upgrade over Burke. If you deny that then you don't know/realize how poor of a player Dwight Burke really is. I didn't realize everyone was so "hurt" by Mbakwe deciding he didn't want to play for a coach no one had heard of. Why all the hate?
If Mbakwe were here, Robert Frozena would not be on scholarship. That is the one of the best things about Trebor leaving is that Buzz used the open scholly for Robert, someone who works his ass off for the program every day and doesn't complain.
TM was a recruit that would not happen under the Buzz regime. Just like the TRend signing, TC was desperate to show he could recruit a big other than scott merritt. Good job TC!
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on January 24, 2009, 01:52:38 AM
All I was trying to say is that Mbakwe would be a nice upgrade over Burke. If you deny that then you don't know/realize how poor of a player Dwight Burke really is. I didn't realize everyone was so "hurt" by Mbakwe deciding he didn't want to play for a coach no one had heard of. Why all the hate?
Upgrade? explain. Because you saw some youtube clips of him in high school? No way he could play defense as well as Burke this year, and it's not like we need any more offense from the big fella because we have four starters that are nearly averaging 15 pts a clip.
PS: How funny would it be if this Awergryzn17 character was actually TM? That makes me laugh. ;D
Quote from: downtown85 on January 24, 2009, 03:52:34 AM
If Mbakwe were here, Robert Frozena would not be on scholarship. That is the one of the best things about Trebor leaving is that Buzz used the open scholly for Robert, someone who works his ass off for the program every day and doesn't complain.
Does this mean that RF's scholarship could not be renewed for next year, thereby freeing it up for JW or the big stiff visiting this weekend?
Happy Birthday, Trevor.
In the end, I really question how motivated TM would have been as he seemed to have too many "advisors" in his ear.
Quote from: wildbill sb on January 24, 2009, 09:18:07 AM
Does this mean that RF's scholarship could not be renewed for next year, thereby freeing it up for JW or the big stiff visiting this weekend?
No. All schollies are renewed each year and Frozena's will not be renewed and it has already been given to one of the incoming players
Quote from: wildbill sb on January 24, 2009, 09:18:07 AM
Does this mean that RF's scholarship could not be renewed for next year, thereby freeing it up for JW or the big stiff visiting this weekend?
The scholarship table knows all
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8)
Frozena is just getting a scholarship this year. Right now we are at the limit for next year, meaning if Riley, JW, or anybody else signs, MU will have to find room for them (transfer, early graduation..etc).
For a team that lacks height this year, Mbakwe would have been a very solid contributor this year with his 6'7" frame, 7 foot wingspan and quick, good hops. He would have been playing 20 minutes a game and the number of shot blocked on this team would be double. His long arms would have made it extremely difficult to throw a pass down low especially with the type of pressure DJ and McNeal play on the perimeter.
Last year was a wasted year for him due to his injury but all you have to do is watch what he did against St. John's last year to see that he would have made an impact this year and that his skillset is something we could have used all year long, especially with Fulce and Otule out for much of the year.
For what he did to this team, it is appropriate to bash the kid but he did have skills, MU would have benefited on the court with him on it and I personally believe we would be a legit top 10 team this year with him instead of more of a top 20 team.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on January 24, 2009, 01:52:38 AM
All I was trying to say is that Mbakwe would be a nice upgrade over Burke. If you deny that then you don't know/realize how poor of a player Dwight Burke really is. I didn't realize everyone was so "hurt" by Mbakwe deciding he didn't want to play for a coach no one had heard of. Why all the hate?
No one is "hurt" by the decision. People are upset because TM made his decision hours before school started in the fall after he spent the entire summer using Marquette's facilities to rehab his injury on MU's dime, all while practicing and lying to his teammates about how much he wanted to be here.
If you don't like Buzz and want to transfer to a school with a more well known coach, fine. But be a f'n man about it.
What if we had Ryan Amoroso?
Quote from: Pakuni on January 24, 2009, 12:15:58 PM
What if we had Ryan Amoroso?
Haha. Great point. Amoroso is an inch taller and almost 20 lbs heavier.
Here's his 2008-2009 stat line so far at a D1 level:
7.2 ppg
4.4 rpg
21.2 minutes
::)
Back to TM
Speculating how someone performing at the junior college level would transfer to the D1 level, especially the Big East level, is a ridiculous comparison.
Yes, it would be nice to have a 6'7 athlete with a huge armspan at the PF position. Suggesting that he'd start over Burke is perhaps the single most ridiculous statement I've ever heard regarding MU basketball. TM is much lighter than Burke and is not the bruiser Burke can be down low.
Yes, Burke is not much of an offensive athlete at C, and is not the optimal player we'd like at that position. However, he does his job exceptionally well and is vastly unappreciated, as evidenced by the original poster's ludicrous remarks. He is a big body we can use down low to try and clog up the middle. TM cannot and would not allow MU to compete with the towers down low that reside in the Big East. Sure, he's athletic and he's got monkey arms, but he would get man handled down low. Burke at least provides a challenge and does a great job playing the 5 when he'd be most effective as a 4.
Of course, TM would help this team and would give us depth to allow for some spelled minutes, especially for Burke when he's in foul trouble. However, he mentally and physically cannot compete in the Big East. He has potential to be a good player at the college level, however, not everyone with potential lives up to it and perhaps it is best for MU that he left. Better to have a failed recruit leave and allow us to use that scholarship elsewhere than stick around for the free ride and eat up the bench.
This thread is not so much looking at how TM would help this team, but how another 6'7 athlete would provide us depth down low and give us a little more flexibility. Hazel and Fulce are young and not very strong (as compared to Burke and even TM). Sure, ANY 6'7 240 athlete would be helpful. It doesn't necessarily have to be TM. But how helpful would a 7'0 265 player be? Let's speculate about that because it's just as much ridiculous
NOBODY CARES!!!!!
Burke was more than solid against Koshwal today...10 points and 6 or 7 boards (on a day where Lazar had 17 rebs). I'll take that effort out of Burke on any given night.