Nick Williams with 10 pts, 6 boards...
39-22 It's Indiana, It's Indiana leading Michigan at the half.
All this tells me is that Michigan is really weak. Go Gophers!
OK, forget this game, MU starts in 5 mins. Go Warriors!
59 to 59 overtime
Michigan Wins
How did Tyshawn Taylor look?
Haha! This was a great game! Go BLUE!
Generally regarded as a "Crean apologist," I must admit that I was not surprised when my close UofM friend sent me a text calling Crean "classless" for blowing off Beilein in the post game handshake. I never understood that part of Crean's make-up, nor did I appreciate it. I remember reading all the stories from around the conference and eventually, I wondered if there might be something to the "lack of class" allegation thrown at Crean.
Oh well. In the end, everyone has their quirks, and Crean was/is no exception. The guy did a lot of good for the program and he's not the first coach to act like that after losing a game. That said, I've always thought, you win with class and you lose with class. I am not so sure Crean ever subscribed to that theory.
Quote from: MUCam on January 07, 2009, 08:52:35 PM
Generally regarded as a "Crean apologist," I must admit that I was not surprised when my close UofM friend sent me a text calling Crean "classless" for blowing off Beilein in the post game handshake. I never understood that part of Crean's make-up, nor did I appreciate it. I remember reading all the stories from around the conference and eventually, I wondered if there might be something to the "lack of class" allegation thrown at Crean.
Oh well. In the end, everyone has their quirks, and Crean was/is no exception. The guy did a lot of good for the program and he's not the first coach to act like that after losing a game. That said, I've always thought, you win with class and you lose with class. I am not so sure Crean ever subscribed to that theory.
I remember several posters here finding it classless when he did the same thing after the second time Louisville killed us last year.
I hope Chicos or SJS come to TC's defense quick, this thread is getting out of hand.
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on January 07, 2009, 10:31:25 PM
I hope Chicos or SJS come to TC's defense quick, this thread is getting out of hand.
No need to defend the classless actions, if that's what happened with the handshake. I wasn't watching the game so I don't know what happened.
Nevertheless, he's still the 2nd best coach in MU history (that really bothers some people for some reason), won the right way, graduated players, took us to a Final Four....I won't forget that stuff, even if he didn't have a beer with some folks at Turners or didn't play golf with them. ;)
Can you blame crean? It must feel terrible to be outcoached in the 2nd half after building a 17 pt lead in the first half. Talk about a Mulligan.
Quote from: mviale on January 08, 2009, 12:10:38 AM
Can you blame crean? It must feel terrible to be outcoached in the 2nd half after building a 17 pt lead in the first half. Talk about a Mulligan.
Agreed...can you imagine having a 20 point lead on a team that has lost 8 straight home conference games and then find you're only winning by 2 points with 36 seconds left, despite having a ranked team on the floor vs a vastly inferior team.
;)
It's college hoops, anything can happen. Anyone that was there to watch Amoroso vs Louisville or KO's teams choke to Xavier or Notre Dame at home after monster leads knows that....yet KO is considered God around here by some and those KO teams had more talent then that IU team.
Therein lies the difference - glad Buzz has these guys hitting shots when they need to hit baskets.
Quote from: mviale on January 08, 2009, 12:47:55 AM
Therein lies the difference - glad Buzz has these guys hitting shots when they need to hit baskets.
Yes, because Buzz wills his players to shoot the ball better with a whisk of his magic wand. ::) I guess we'll never lose again because Buzz has the ability to have his guys "hit shots when they need to hit baskets".
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that Buzz's team has vastly better players, vastly more experienced...nah, that wouldn't be the case. ;D
Barry Switzer could coach this team....so far, I'm impressed very much by Buzz, he's doing the right things which says a lot to me. Some guys would try to screw up this gift handed to him, but he hasn't. Major applause thus far. But we'll find out how good Buzz really is down the road, not this year, not next year (if Buzz gets us into the NCAAs next year MU should sign him to a lifetime contract) but in the cumulative years to follow.
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2008/writers/arash_markazi/08/08/switzer.qa/p1_switzer.jpg)
Did Crean not shake Beilein's hand? Or was it just too quick for some people? If he didn't even shake his hand, than that's no class. If he shook it but didn't stop to talk for a second, then I don't see how that's classless.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 07, 2009, 10:45:10 PM
Nevertheless, he's still the 2nd best coach in MU history (that really bothers some people for some reason), won the right way, graduated players, took us to a Final Four....I won't forget that stuff, even if he didn't have a beer with some folks at Turners or didn't play golf with them. ;)
I'd take KO if I was picking #2 but TC did accomplish more...I have no problem with you calling him our 2nd best coach.
If he didn't shake his hand, that does suck.
No excuses for that one.
TC definitely was not and is not perfect.
Whatever.... more concerned about how Buzz handles himself. TC represents IU, Buzz represents our alma mater.
Quote from: MUCam on January 07, 2009, 08:52:35 PM
Generally regarded as a "Crean apologist," I must admit that I was not surprised when my close UofM friend sent me a text calling Crean "classless" for blowing off Beilein in the post game handshake. I never understood that part of Crean's make-up, nor did I appreciate it. I remember reading all the stories from around the conference and eventually, I wondered if there might be something to the "lack of class" allegation thrown at Crean.
Oh well. In the end, everyone has their quirks, and Crean was/is no exception. The guy did a lot of good for the program and he's not the first coach to act like that after losing a game. That said, I've always thought, you win with class and you lose with class. I am not so sure Crean ever subscribed to that theory.
i would agree if you mean he won with no class and lost with no class as well.
it was a very quick hand shake that I observed
Quote from: muball on January 08, 2009, 09:44:08 AM
it was a very quick hand shake that I observed
Then there should be no allegations of no class after the game on Crean's part. A quick handshake is still a handshake and much different than blowing it off.
I am no Crean apologist, but he did shake Beiliens hand. It was the same handshake we have seen in the past when Crean loses. He walks quickly by the coach, shakes his hands and says little to nothing. He shook his hand and that is fine. I don't think he should be hammered for not sitting there and chatting it up after his team lost a great chance to win a game.
Quote from: only a warrior on January 08, 2009, 09:29:13 AM
Whatever.... more concerned about how Buzz handles himself. TC represents IU, Buzz represents our alma mater.
For some of us, TC still represents our alma mater....as does Buzz.
I searched last night on the Michigan boards and IU boards and I saw one post in total saying "nice hand shake" and that was it. Again, I didn't watch it, I was busy watching MU play. Sometimes the cameras don't catch things, sometimes they do. In my opinion, you shake hands 100% of the time, all the time. No questions asked.
It was a quick handshake. TC didn't stop moving while I shook Bielien's hand. It wasn't friendly, but it also wasn't classless. It was quick. That's pretty similar to how it was when he was at MU. When he loses, especially a tough loss, he's through the line pretty quick. At MU, it was 50/50 or worse if he would come out and do the radio interview after a loss. If he keeps that up at IU, fans may not hear him after a game until next season.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 08, 2009, 12:58:37 PM
For some of us, TC still represents our alma mater....as does Buzz.
I searched last night on the Michigan boards and IU boards and I saw one post in total saying "nice hand shake" and that was it. Again, I didn't watch it, I was busy watching MU play. Sometimes the cameras don't catch things, sometimes they do. In my opinion, you shake hands 100% of the time, all the time. No questions asked.
There was 1 post on the other 2 boards, and at least 6 about it on this board?!
We. Are. Obsessed.
Quote from: 2002mualum on January 08, 2009, 01:09:56 PM
There was 1 post on the other 2 boards, and at least 6 about it on this board?!
We. Are. Obsessed.
Yup. And since we're talking about "class", it was also here that we read about how his wife looks, her tastes in decorating (or his tastes), etc, etc.
It's funny those yelling classless and at the same time commiting the same violation.
By the way, I'm not excluding myself from that group....I do it as well.
(1) I've never have said anything about Tom Crean's hair, skin color or wife.
(2) My information from my disgruntled Michigan alumn friend was misleading. When he texted me that Crean "blew off" Beilein I took it as him not shaking Beilein's hand. After further review, there is irrefutable evidence to reverse the call on the field. Crean did in fact shake Beilein's hand, even though the shake was very curt and unfriendly (from a subjective basis).
(3) This is why rumors and misinformation are bad and I apologize for perpetuating it.
Quote from: MUCam on January 08, 2009, 02:36:22 PM
(1) I've never have said anything about Tom Crean's hair, skin color or wife.
(2) My information from my disgruntled Michigan alumn friend was misleading. When he texted me that Crean "blew off" Beilein I took it as him not shaking Beilein's hand. After further review, there is irrefutable evidence to reverse the call on the field. Crean did in fact shake Beilein's hand, even though the shake was very curt and unfriendly (from a subjective basis).
(3) This is why rumors and misinformation are bad and I apologize for perpetuating it.
Cam...I know. I wasn't saying you said those things. There are others here, however, that continually call the guy classless and have made those types of classless comments. Thus the irony. I, also, have been guilty of classless comments at times.
Williams, the Alabama high school player of the year in 2006, committed to Crean's program at Marquette in 2006, a year before he could sign a letter of intent.
When Crean left the Milwaukee school last spring after nine seasons, Williams asked for and got his release from Marquette, which Crean had built into a Top 25 program.
"I felt this was the best for me because I [had] built a great relationship with these coaches," Williams said. "I knew the situation, but I didn't care because I knew I'd be getting better with a great coaching staff. We'll make something happen."
For now, the fans are applauding putbacks — the ones who are there. Assembly Hall no longer is selling out at 17,465.
"We're going to get back to where it's sold out, it's a monster ticket, to where the ticket brokers are making a heck of a living because of Indiana basketball," Crean said. "We'll get that back."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-09-indiana-basketballjan09,0,2743641.story
"I've tried different business books on turnarounds, but there's nothing that measures this," Crean said. "I have some good friends who stick with me and some I don't hear from. You stick with people close to you and you stick close to your staff."
Now, that is funny. I agree with Chicos that he should get his due while at MU, but to be beatching about loyalty like he was the scorned lover is just reflective of why it was time to part ways. He left MU like he shakes hands with opposing coaches. I think he will be successful at IU, but I don't think he'll last the 10 years.
Quote from: Pardner on January 09, 2009, 03:47:05 PM
"I've tried different business books on turnarounds, but there's nothing that measures this," Crean said. "I have some good friends who stick with me and some I don't hear from. You stick with people close to you and you stick close to your staff."
Now, that is funny. I agree with Chicos that he should get his due while at MU, but to be beatching about loyalty like he was the scorned lover is just reflective of why it was time to part ways. He left MU like he shakes hands with opposing coaches. I think he will be successful at IU, but I don't think he'll last the 10 years.
Matt Doherty anyone?
Quote from: marqptm on January 09, 2009, 05:07:26 PM
Matt Doherty anyone?
Matt was a head coach for one year at Notre Dame.
Crean proved it at 9 years at MU.
I think Crean does better than Doherty.
first of all let's not kid ourselves TC is no matt dougherty. TCs a good coach and will turn around IU. I don't think he'll win the NCAA title they're looking for but he'll be dancing in 3 years.
Now to my point...he acts likehes got such a rough gig. So he has no players returning. Big deal. Was Cordell that important to what he did at MU? Tc's not aboutjust getting to the NCAA he wants to get to the final four. At MU he did that with 100% of his own players and it will be the same at iu. So what if it's rough for a year or two. We all know why. IU is cutting him slack. Why Is he always whining?
Finally, 4ever are the friend who stopped calling?
Crean's never had a losing season so I'm sure he feels this is very rough. He's a competitor, we all know that. The guy doesn't like to lose and as such, he's feeling he has it rough.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 09, 2009, 07:26:59 PM
Crean's never had a losing season so I'm sure he feels this is very rough. He's a competitor, we all know that. The guy doesn't like to lose and as such, he's feeling he has it rough.
$2.2-2.4 million/yr. should help him get through the roughness. ;D
He proved his ethics/morals through his actions. I don't hate the man, or really even care about him, but I have no idea why some come to his rescue. He did wonderful things for MU, but MU did amazing things for him. I was totally disappointed in the way he left MU and I surely would waste my time trying to defend the guy. It seemed like MU plateaued under him, and hopefully Buzz will take us to a higher level and remain committed to MU. If not we try again.