Final from Assembly Hall-
Northeastern- 55
It's Indiana, It's Indiana- 42
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And the II,II faithful are begining to question TT. Complaints about inability to crack a zone, offense dribbling around, then jacking up a 3. Where, oh where have we heard this tale before? ;D
Seriously?
We're still doing this?
You have to enjoy Crean's misfortune while you can.
In a few years he should have Indiana back to power. I mean it shouldn't be too hard to recruit there. As much as it sucks to hear it is Indiana after all.
I'll thank Crean for all he did here. I'll also hope nothing goes right at Indiana for the way he left.
it's kinda funny though; it's just like what i bet most people do when they deal with a bad break up/get burned by a friend; demonize the other guy, watch for the person to make a mistake, fail.
Well, at least those of us who aren't going to be canonized ;)
Quote from: MUSF on December 22, 2008, 11:20:52 PM
Seriously?
We're still doing this?
I think it is more in reference to the infalibility of Crean that the II,II faithful are given him. They think he can do no wrong. Suddenly, there are questions arising that are sounding awfully familiar.
Funny more than anything.
I really only care or want MU winning. Don't really give a hoot about IU.
My personal anger at Crean lasted about a week. He saw what in his mind was a once-in-a-career opportunity and took it. He handled his leaving poorly and has left us woefully undersized. He will be successful at IU in the long term, because he WILL have recruiting advantage he didn't have here (and Buzz apparently doesn't need). This season is his penance for the way he left. Its karma that he deserves in the short term. It may teach him humility and make him a better coach. But he will find the IU faithful make the MU fanbase look placid and timid in comparison. Good luck to him. He will need it. If he is no better than what the deepest hater here think he is, he will get a nice buyout in a couple of years and go into broadcasting. If MU was holding him back, he could end up a legend.
Nick Williams has the body of Big Baby, but is short. Hope he's having a good time at II. Those two pricks deserve eachother.
Will following IU and hoping for losses pass? Yes
Does an IU loss trump an MU win? NO
Is it still, here early in year one post-Crean, fun to watch him falter? Absolutely!
As TT mentioned earlier, it's fun while it lasts, so I'm gonna bask in it, especially when coupled with a clutch Warrior win.
Regarding the way Crean left, couldn't someone from IU have leaked the news before Crean got to tell his MU players? From what I recall, the players started to get contacted about the time the news broke on ESPN. Would those who bash him for the way he left town be as upset if he had told the players before the news broke?
Even having success under Bruce Weber it took many Illinois fans five years to let go of their hatred of Bill Self (which subsided quickly the moment Self won a National Title last April).
IMO, those Illini fans looked pathetic each and every day of those five years.
Quote from: pbiflyer on December 23, 2008, 08:55:20 AM
I think it is more in reference to the infallibility of Crean that the II,II faithful are given him. They think he can do no wrong. Suddenly, there are questions arising that are sounding awfully familiar.
Funny more than anything.
I've talked to slews of IU fans who don't feel Crean possess any level of 'infallibility'. But they do feel, probably correctly, that he will get the elite big men he didn't get there because of the school's name. Most feel like this will be enough to overcome any of the percieved faults, and I haven't seen a single reason to disagree with any of them.
As was said earlier, it amuses me more than anything. There's just something great about seeing the guy that screwed us by leaving no depth take a beating.
That, and the Crean and Crimson shirts make me want to puke.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 23, 2008, 09:44:51 AM
That, and the Crean and Crimson shirts make me want to puke.
You mean the ones his friends and family were wearing all over Milwaukee this summer?
I happen to enjoy my Crean and Treason shirt, myself. ;)
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 23, 2008, 09:19:20 AM
Nick Williams has the body of Big Baby, but is short. Hope he's having a good time at II. Those two pricks deserve eachother.
Wow thanks for that insightful input. Now can we finally put this subject to rest now?
Quote from: mosarsour on December 23, 2008, 10:36:11 AM
Wow thanks for that insightful input. Now can we finally put this subject to rest now?
Get used to that type of input from him...
Quote from: wadesworld on December 23, 2008, 11:11:58 AM
Get used to that type of input from him...
That's right. Hilarious input!
Quote from: Norm on December 23, 2008, 09:29:40 AM
Regarding the way Crean left, couldn't someone from IU have leaked the news before Crean got to tell his MU players? From what I recall, the players started to get contacted about the time the news broke on ESPN. Would those who bash him for the way he left town be as upset if he had told the players before the news broke?
he had a press conference at Indiana before the MU players knew. That's not something you do if you're leaving. When you have to find out from someone's mom who saw it on the news, there's something wrong with that.
Look up prick in the dictionary. His picture has been added next to noun or verb.
Quote from: muwarrior87 on December 23, 2008, 03:46:55 PM
he had a press conference at Indiana before the MU players knew. That's not something you do if you're leaving. When you have to find out from someone's mom who saw it on the news, there's something wrong with that.
I'm not condoning Crean's departure, but that's a false statement.
Word leaked on ESPN and all the media outlets prior to his telling the players. Word leaked in the afternoon on April 1st. He got the team in vans and had them come out to his house to tell them personally late afternoon/night on April 1st. Afterwards, he flew to Bloomington, where he was introduced on the morning of April 2nd.
Quote from: MUBasketball on December 23, 2008, 04:07:00 PM
I'm not condoning Crean's departure, but that's a false statement.
Word leaked on ESPN and all the media outlets prior to his telling the players. Word leaked in the afternoon on April 1st. He got the team in vans and had them come out to his house to tell them personally late afternoon/night on April 1st. Afterwards, he flew to Bloomington, where he was introduced on the morning of April 2nd.
Really? I've been reading posts for months about how he had a press conference before the players knew. That would explain a lot if it was just an unfounded rumor by hatists. Could one of the mindless haters please weigh in on the timeline here? And no, 'Crean wanted it to leak to ESPN' is not a statement i'll buy without significant backing.
MUbasketball is right. The news leaked on ESPN but there was no press conference until after he talked to the MU players.
Crean has made amends with Father Wilde and the MU administration. He knows he handled it badly and has apologized.
Some fans love to hold on to the hate.
Yeah, thats why I never really understood people being so upset with how his departure went down.
In a perfect world, he would have accepted the gig, and then had the entire team right by him and he could have told them. Instead, the guys were all over the place at the time. Does he try to call all of them after he accepts? Or does he wait to tell them in person?
My assumption is he wanted to tell them all together, but once he accepted, all it takes is one person at IU to leak to one of the media guys, and then it's a wild fire. After a few minutes, its all over TV.
In an interview with the big three shortly after it all happened Dom and Wes said they found out when they were watching ESPN and went upstairs to tell Jerel to turn it on as he was sleeping.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 23, 2008, 07:07:01 PM
In an interview with the big three shortly after it all happened Dom and Wes said they found out when they were watching ESPN and went upstairs to tell Jerel to turn it on as he was sleeping.
I know there was shock by the team upon hearing it as interviews with them state and i know they did not initially hear the new from Crean.
EDIT: From Rosiak's 4/2/08 article. https://secure.jsonline.com/CommunityServer/muhoops/archive/2008/04/02/news-conference-highlights.aspx
Wesley Matthews on hearing Monday's breaking news and subsequent team meeting...It was a sad moment.
We found out through ESPN, through the news, and it didn't settle in right away, not until we got to the meeting. It was sad. It was an upsetting meeting, because of all the closeness of this team and the coaching staff and everything. I'm sure it's probably not how he intended on us finding out, but you just have to move on.
Dominic James on hearing the news and the team's reaction...I got a call from my mother asking about it and that kind of surprised me. That was the worst thing about the situation, is how we found out about it. [Today] was great. Just getting back into rhythm with the team and just the camaraderie - you know, everybody just being together and being there for each other. That's the best thing about the situation, knowing that you still have people that care about you and knowing that there still are people here that will make us work and get better.
Quote from: MuMark on December 23, 2008, 04:46:32 PM
Crean has made amends with Father Wilde and the MU administration. He knows he handled it badly and has apologized.
Just out of curiousity, where did you get that tidbit of information? I am not quite sure that is accurate.
Quote from: MUBasketball on December 23, 2008, 05:04:46 PM
Yeah, thats why I never really understood people being so upset with how his departure went down.
In a perfect world, he would have accepted the gig, and then had the entire team right by him and he could have told them. Instead, the guys were all over the place at the time. Does he try to call all of them after he accepts? Or does he wait to tell them in person?
My assumption is he wanted to tell them all together, but once he accepted, all it takes is one person at IU to leak to one of the media guys, and then it's a wild fire. After a few minutes, its all over TV.
the leak was one of the harbaugh bros.
Quote from: MuMark on December 23, 2008, 04:46:32 PM
Some fans love to hold on to the hate.
You are misinterpreting why people dislike him. The legions of fans who disliked Crean intensely were thankful that he showed his true colors upon his departure. Our dislike was not formed or enhanced in any way when he left.
I'm still trying to figure out if Jack Harbaugh is still working for MU. If not, what were his duties? Did he have to resign? Can somebody explain that to me? How much was he making?
These are the kinds of minute details that, upon review, probably irked Fr. Wild. He saw that he'd been hoodwinked by a guy who spent at least 30 minutes a day under a sun lamp for God's sake!!!
Has the dude ponied up his soccer donation yet?
I'm pretty sure he will pay up once enough money is raised. There was a press conference after all. They still have a ways to go money wise though.
No, Harbaugh does not work for MU anymore. I saw Jack and his wife at the airport a little while after Crean left. I chatted with him briefly. He mentioned he was going to Bloomington to help them move into their new house. He also told me that Scott Skiles bought Crean's house here.
Anyway, the way I interpreted the convo was he and the wife were moving so he could be with them. I know I was watching an IU game recently and they showed him in the stands.
What did he do? Well, for those of us who were in Anaheim in March, he gave a hell of a pre-game pep talk to everybody who came to the send-off at the team hotel. Other than that, walked out the season tix holder of the game (by the way, that is so stupid. Nothing like killing the energy during a time-out after a big run or a nice play than to kill the music and recognize people with tickets. Anybody with me?).
Quote from: pbiflyer on December 23, 2008, 07:21:14 PM
Just out of curiousity, where did you get that tidbit of information? I am not quite sure that is accurate.
It is entirely accurate. I doubt you will find it in any article, but it is very true.
Quote from: MUBasketball on December 23, 2008, 10:40:26 PM
No, Harbaugh does not work for MU anymore. I saw Jack and his wife at the airport a little while after Crean left. I chatted with him briefly. He mentioned he was going to Bloomington to help them move into their new house. He also told me that Scott Skiles bought Crean's house here.
Anyway, the way I interpreted the convo was he and the wife were moving so he could be with them. I know I was watching an IU game recently and they showed him in the stands.
What did he do? Well, for those of us who were in Anaheim in March, he gave a hell of a pre-game pep talk to everybody who came to the send-off at the team hotel. Other than that, walked out the season tix holder of the game (by the way, that is so stupid. Nothing like killing the energy during a time-out after a big run or a nice play than to kill the music and recognize people with tickets. Anybody with me?).
careful, that's hilltopper you're talking about. :D
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 23, 2008, 09:50:19 PM
Has the dude ponied up his soccer donation yet?
4everwarriors,
I don't know for sure, but I do know that during fund raising efforts, you usually already have most of the money in hand before you announce a major effort. For instance, if your goal is $10 million, you pretty much already have $5 million to $6 million on hand when you have your major public announcement. In that vein, my guess is Crean already donated the majority, if not all of the donation, when the public announcement was made.
Quote from: Norm on December 23, 2008, 11:44:41 PM
4everwarriors,
I don't know for sure, but I do know that during fund raising efforts, you usually already have most of the money in hand before you announce a major effort. For instance, if your goal is $10 million, you pretty much already have $5 million to $6 million on hand when you have your major public announcement. In that vein, my guess is Crean already donated the majority, if not all of the donation, when the public announcement was made.
it has not been donated yet and they are nowhere near their total for the entire project so it may be a while before MU gets that money.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on December 23, 2008, 10:41:39 PM
It is entirely accurate. I doubt you will find it in any article, but it is very true.
I tend to think that it is part of both. It is true that he personally called MANY people throughout the University (not just athletics), however, just because he called doesn't mean that the amends were made. Many people appreciated the call, but knew/thought it was damage control on his part, and that was the only reason he was doing it. So to say it is entirely accurate, is, well, not entirely accurate.
Quote from: Norm on December 23, 2008, 09:29:40 AM
Regarding the way Crean left, couldn't someone from IU have leaked the news before Crean got to tell his MU players? From what I recall, the players started to get contacted about the time the news broke on ESPN. Would those who bash him for the way he left town be as upset if he had told the players before the news broke?
No. That's the major complaint. Players should not have found the news out by watching the ESPN ticker. Take away the major complaint, and people wouldn't be as upset, that's pretty obvious.
But unfortunately that did happen...
Quote from: MuMark on December 23, 2008, 04:46:32 PM
MUbasketball is right. The news leaked on ESPN but there was no press conference until after he talked to the MU players.
Crean has made amends with Father Wilde and the MU administration. He knows he handled it badly and has apologized.
Some fans love to hold on to the hate.
If Father Wilde needed an apology before all was forgiven, why wouldn't the fans? As far as I'm aware, he hasn't apologized to the fans yet.
Quote from: 5YearsatMU on December 24, 2008, 08:47:58 AM
I tend to think that it is part of both. It is true that he personally called MANY people throughout the University (not just athletics), however, just because he called doesn't mean that the amends were made. Many people appreciated the call, but knew/thought it was damage control on his part, and that was the only reason he was doing it. So to say it is entirely accurate, is, well, not entirely accurate.
It was more personal than just phone calls.
Quote from: RedWebster on December 23, 2008, 09:39:19 PM
he showed his true colors upon his departure.
What 'true colors'? That he was an ambitious person? That he wants to win championships? That he behaves just like every other coach in the country when one of the top 5 programs come calling?
Is his color: after-nine-years-of-loyal-service-he-got-a-job-offer-he-couldn't-resist-at-one-of-the-premiere-basketball-schools-in-the-country green?
That sucks that someone leaked the story before he could get the team together, but it sucks more that people are constantly bitching about the 'way he left' because someone talked to espn hours before he could gather the team.
Note: saying people are bitching isn't name calling.
Web is right. For those of us who couldn't stand him, his manner of leaving was very much in character. I wouldn't have expected anything else from Crean. I'm thrilled he's gone. It was like Christmas in April.
Quote from: RawdogDX on December 24, 2008, 09:27:40 AM
That sucks that someone leaked the story before he could get the team together, but it sucks more that people are constantly bitching about the 'way he left' because someone talked to espn hours before he could gather the team.
I just think it would have been nice to let the team or athletic department know he was considering looking into the Indiana job before asking Tom Izzo what to do. Maybe that's just me.
If he gave some heads up that he was considering it, people would be supportive of him I think. After all, it's Indiana! But leaving in the middle of the night: uncool. Sure someone leaked the story, but Crean should have informed MU before the story even had a chance to be leaked.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 24, 2008, 10:49:10 PM
I just think it would have been nice to let the team or athletic department know he was considering looking into the Indiana job before asking Tom Izzo what to do. Maybe that's just me.
If he gave some heads up that he was considering it, people would be supportive of him I think. After all, it's Indiana! But leaving in the middle of the night: uncool. Sure someone leaked the story, but Crean should have informed MU before the story even had a chance to be leaked.
Unrealistic on both counts. If I am looking to change jobs, I am not looking to my boss for advice. I am going to ask people I trust in the "industry." Also, there are too many people involved in these kind of things to reasonably expect that there will be no leaks. He tried to contact his bosses, but they were on an airplane to Denver.
Look, it could have been handled better no doubt. But my guess is that this is pretty much par for the course when it comes to coaching changes. I also think that if MU would have hired Miller or Bennett, and the same thing would have happened at Xavier or WSU, we would have thought nothing of it. We were just on the side of being dumped and that makes some people irreversably bitter.
In the spirit of Christmas, it is time to forgive and move on to better things.
Quote from: tower912 on December 25, 2008, 11:22:33 AM
In the spirit of Christmas, it is time to forgive and move on to better things.
+1. I've really had enough of the Crean bashing. I felt the way that Trevor left the team was a million times worse. But it's definitely time to move on and enjoy and support the coach and the great group of players that we have. We're blessed with a top 25 program, a top 10 recruiting class, and a team that's finally playing at full strength for the first time this season.
Merry Christmas everyone!
Mo
I was extremely upset when he left and hated the guy for months. But it really is time for everyone to get over it. He was great at MU while he was here and I honestly don't think this program would be where it is today if we had hired another coach instead of Crean. It's easy for a lot of us die hard MU fans to understand why he would leave when he did but it made a lot of sense for him to do it. I think he loved MU when he was here and probably still cares about the program a lot, but he made a career decision that made sense for him and his family. It will be easier for him to recruit at Indiana and he'll have success there in the long run. Some of you that are still calling him a traitor and "Judas" need to put yourself in the guys shoes. He handled the transition the exact same way that a lot of us would handle changing jobs. Get over it, we have Buzz now and we'll move on from there. Crean did a ton for the university when he was here so let's just be thankful for that. And maybe in the long run Buzz can get us where Crean wasn't able to.