Kolek planning to go pro
If Miss Texas loses to Miss California, is Miss Texas a failure or is she still a hot ass?
Seriously, this is a complete waste of time. I saw a number of people claiming this while surveying the UW Scout board last night. "Our coach is better, we win more games, we are a better program, JP is an idiot for going there..."
I wish I had $100 for every "UW has been more successful than MU since 2000" post you have made. You state it over and over and over again as if it has been a major controversy on the board. Who exactly are you arguing with? A poll on the subject would be virtually unanimous with the exception of people who just wanted to pull your chain - okay, so maybe a poll would be skewed towards inaccuracy and isn't a good idea. But what say we get off the past and talk about the future.
84 --- answer me this:In 2003 Marquette was ranked lower than UW, however MU went on to the final four that year. Would you still state that UW had a better year that year? Numbers are numbers, I get it you're a stat guy, But you can't tell me honestly that UW had a better year that year! Doesn't pass the eyeball test.
Their coach is better? How many final fours did Roy take Kansas to after he took over when they were on probation?
Miss Texas (left) vs. Miss California (right)
That's the point of this entire thread ... as I said in the first post ...No shame in saying we were worse than UW. So was UNC. So has probably everyone save Duke. Give them their due, thy are having a great run.Chicos, you're taking the negative ... what's wrong with us that we cannot get UW post 2000 results. Praise UW, don't bash MU.
Here would be my initial list of why we have trailed them in this centuryWe seem to not have an identity. I know exactly what Wisconsin hoops is and will always be under that coach....everyone in the country knows. For MU, it changes year to year and that can be problematic in terms of recruiting, teaching, etc. What is our identity?
We have too many transfers this decade under both Crean and Buzz....lack of stability
My belief is we need more 4 year players because that leads to more stability
We have no Chicago area kids right now on the roster which is a bit troubling
Both head coaches have missed on some recruits that we landed and turned out not to be that good
I worry about our Midwest recruiting base. Our "Texas connection" goes away when Buzz goes away...are we maintaining strong enough in-roads in the Midwest where our natural recruiting base is?
Apparently it is because whenever I say it there seems to be a rush of people that are in denial and don't agree. Based on a search of the last three years, you would have $900 in your pocket....don't spend it all in one place.
First I agree UW has been better then MU during the Crean years and Buzz Years. Using rankings and records are misleading since the BEast has definitely been the strongest conference in the country since Buzz has been at the reigns and some of Creans years. If UW was in the BEast they would have another 3 or 3 losses if not more. They dont have the scoring depth to battle the BEast schedule. So using records when in different conferences is not a true comparison. Takes more of an overall view and then an open minded do they pass the smell test.
This was the case. It was Crean's fault (a problem he is having with IU as well). Buzz is creating an identity (athletic switchables). Is this a good identity to have? A bunch of guys that all do the same thing? Do we have any defensive specialists? Any outstanding point guards? Several consistent outside shooters?But I'll give you that UW has one of the strongest identities in country ... slow and white...you forgot...winners...and smart basketball IQ...and solid defense...and solid rebounders...and consistent as hell...and never lose at home....Welcome to 2011. 600 kids transferred this year, a record, broke the record of last year. 40% of Freshman transferred according to Jay Bilas.It's a fact of life that affects a number of teams ... even final four teams. Doesn't affect Wisconsin nearly to the same level, that's why I said in comparison to THEM, they have an advantage. Their kids rarely leave.Haven't this been covered a thousand times already? Buzz needed to balance the classes. Done. Next year has no Jucos so far. This you're wrong about becuase Jucos filled an immediate need. He's looking at more JUCOS right now. I don't think he's able to get off the JUCO love and we'll continue to have more JUCOs than the average top 40 team and certainly more than the team I was comparing us to...wasn't that what this exercise was about...comparing us to UW-madison? Since when can't freshmen high school kids fit an immediate need? What is this love affair that ONLY JUCO players can?When did Chicago become a must for this team? I guess the good take away from this is your not bashing Buzz over letting Wisconsin kids get away as that does not seem to be the case anymore. Marquette has had a strong Chicago connection through many years in this program. It's a bit startling that we have no one on the roster from the Chicago area where this once was a main recruiting enclave for us. Their are 345 D1 schools and I'm going to guess that has happened at 345 schools.Time will tell.
Chicos can do better than either of these two.
So please point out this "rush of people" in this thread who are in denial and don't agree with you.Still waiting for you to accept my offer and name your number on our wager.
In this thread? No. In other threads over the last few years...plenty. What offer and wager...I skim through your stuff nowadays if I bother to read it at all.
Skim through? That's pretty funny. You already replied to part of the post that contains my offer.
About the whole 600 kids transfer statistic....they don't leave the good programs...the stable programs...anywhere near the rate that they leave the bad programs with the sucky coach that just got fired.The fact is, we need to recruit kids that don't leave. Will they occasionally? Of course. However Buzz has had way too many. We have had eight players who either transferred, or who have signed LOIs here and never played, who are no longer with the program less than three years of when Buzz took over. That isn't good and needs to stop if we expect to have long-term stability.
So of the "600 transfers per year," you pick out 20 from stable programs that is that supposed to prove something? And if you subtract that ones that occured with a coaching change or because the kid got suspended, it is even less.