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So...you know you are wrong, but you're going to claim it as a win for you.LOL!Oh shoot! There's an ellipsis there! He can't be wrong! So Teddy lost because hey! Ellipsis!I'm starting to doubt that you AREN'T this dumb. Maybe you really are.Let me just get this straight. Your claim that you used an ellipsis meant that you knew the Panthers are better with a healthy Cam, no? That's why you used the ellipsis, because you knew you were saying something stupid, but you meant to be saying something not stupid (a physically incapable Cam is worse for the Panthers than his healthy backup). BUT now you're claiming that the Saints are fine with Brees OR with Teddy? So are we saying that the Saints are fine with Brees in there with a cast on his throwing hand or...? (Ellipsis warning!) Or are you freudian slipping that what you really meant when your (incorrectly used) ellipsis saved you! was that you think that the Panthers are better with Cam's backup than they are with Cam Newton under center (no ellipsis necessary)? Because that's what you're saying, given the lack of an ellipsis around your claim about the Saints situation.
The Saints went to the NFC title game last year and got robbed at a chance at the Super Bowl, all with Brees at QB.This year they won their first game and he got hurt in the second game trailing 3-0 against the Rams. They proceeded to lose 27-9 with Bridgewater.So the last 8 ballgame last year and this year that Brees was involved in, they have done very well.Panthers, Cam is 0-8, lots of interceptions. He was playing hurt. I don’t see the comparison at all. The two teams are not comparable, nor are the two qb’s based on the last half season of games. Newton playing injured, bad wing, bad wheels and not getting it done...hurting his team more than helping it with a ton of interceptions. Brees was getting it done, Teddy after Rams debacle is as well, so is Kyle Allen.
Read the post.Now I'm starting to see that not only math is hard, but so is a 4th grade reading level.
I answered the question. The Panthers are not better off with an injured Cam Newton playing. I would assume you and others to understand that means with a healthy Cam Newton, they are better off...4th grade stuff.In fact, I went on about how much I think Cam Newton is a great QB. I also said, explicitly, “As long as Cam plays injured like he did last year and this year, they are better off with him not playing...unless healthy, he hurts his team out there. He is a great player when healthy, but he isn’t right now and hasn’t been for quite some time”I said that in this thread. You responded to it, so I am not sure how you now don’t know my take. Sept 30th, reply 401 was my statement.
So healthy Brees vs. hurt Cam. Because, you know, ellipsis. That’s why you used it. Duh. Because your take isn’t healthy Cam is makes the Panthers worse it was injured Cam. Ellipsis! People lost their mind because of the ellipsis!Apples to Broccoli.Dumb comparison.
Impossible to know what you’re saying unless you spell it out. The goalposts are constantly, constantly shifting. So yes, should be fourth grade stuff yet you make more pretzels than Auntie Ann’s on a Tuesday lunch break so nobody ever knows if you’re using an ellipsis or what. Because when you’re wrong the goalposts will just shift and hey, don’t read what I said literally, read my mind!Anyways, now that we know your stance, incredibly impressive analysis. I don’t know how you aren’t running an NFL team. I can see how ESPN and NFL Network are picking up on this after you.
The goalposts aren’t moving, you responded to my take and then later act as if the take changed. It didn’t...the take is still identical. What goalposts were moved, let alone constantly?Appreciate the sarcasm, I’m just glad others are publicly saying it. Question for you and Mike, why do you think the Panthers continued to play a hurt Cam Newton rather than sit him? At what point do they say this isn’t working? He isn’t right? 3 losses, 5 losses, 7 losses?
Scoop histrionics aside, the Panthers are facing an interesting, potentially fireworks-causing situation.About three weeks ago in Charlotte, discussions were beginning about the QB position. What if Kyle Allen, an undrafted kid who barely played college football, beats the odds and actually does well as Cam Newton's replacement? What if he's the next Tom Brady, or at least the next Jake Delhomme? Those discussions and debates have picked up steam in the ensuing weeks, and now questions are being asked of Ron Rivera in press conferences.Well, Allen has done fine. He has a strong arm, he can make all the throws, and, supported by the best RB in the league and an above-average receiving corps, he has made some big plays these last 4 weeks, all wins. It has helped tremendously that the Panthers' defense has been quite good.He also has made plenty of mistakes, the biggest being that he doesn't have very good "pocket awareness." He doesn't sense defenders around him, doesn't know when to step up in the pocket, or shuffle a little to the right to avoid the rush, doesn't secure the football when he's about to be hit, etc. As a result, although he hasn't thrown any interceptions, he has fumbled 6 times, losing 5. Against Houston, he was hit 3 times and fumbled each time in a game the Panthers won despite him. I'm hoping that pocket awareness develops as he gains experience, as he seems like a fairly quick study.He obviously hasn't been as dynamic as a healthy Newton was, but Cam has taken a ton of pounding over the years and who knows if he'll ever be what he was. Adding to the situation is that Newton's contract ends next year; the team could cut him after this season, save something like $20 million under the salary cap, and owe him only $2 million or so. If Allen keeps playing well and winning, cutting Cam would seem a no-brainer......
Duck Hodges or Ben Roethlisberger?
Duck Hodges or Ben Roethlisberger....
I think that by the time Cam is fully healthy, it will be a no-brainer. The league is gathering tape on Allen and they will catch up to him. Once he puts out a couple of clunkers, it will be an easy decision. I have never been a Cam fan, but if you look at games he played when he was healthy, it’s absolutely clear who the better QB is - and it’s not even remotely close. By the time Cam is healthy, Panther fans will be clamoring to have him back in the lineup.
Just to be clear, we are talking about Cam Marotta right? Also, didn't realize he was injured, but pretty sure the Panthers would be better with the backup instead of Marotta. I mean, I didn't even know he was in the NFL.
Speaking of bad quarterback play, is Baker Mayfield actually bad? Because he looks bad. Even when adjusted for the poor play of his o-line and drops, he's been very bad.
I know that is a “teal” comment-but people love backup QBs.
No he's not bad. Team watched his tape and figured him out. It happens to every quarterback. He has to take that next step, and I really think they hired the wrong guy in Kitchens to get him there.
This may very well be a temporary regression, but I think it's more than teams adjusting to him. He's just not throwing the ball well, and that has nothing to do with the other team or Kitchens (who, I agree, has been awful).His adjusted completion percentage - which eliminates drops, throws when he's being hit, throwaways, etc. - is 26th among 27 qualified QBs. His passer rating under pressure is 24.1. Next worse in the NFL is 48.1. I think those are numbers that fall directly on him.Anyhow, obviously way too soon to say he's a bad quarterback, but he's trending the wrong way.
I agree, which is why I never bought into the off-season hype.
For those more knowledgable than me...What are the impressions on Cardinals/Kingsbury's offense succeeding in the NFL? And on Kyler as an NFL-caliber QB?