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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: keefe on March 11, 2013, 04:26:20 AM
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Extremely Bizarre Behavior by the Bronzed Beast of Bloomington. After Sunday's game at Crisler, Crean rages into a conversation between Buckley and Michigan Asst Jeff Meyer and begins screaming at Meyer.
Absolutely insane. Crean needs help.
http://www.umhoops.com/2013/03/11/tom-crean-to-jeff-meyer-you-wrecked-our-program/
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Crean should've thanked Meyer. If the program hadn't been wrecked, T-Cubed would've never been IU's coach.
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Crean should've thanked Meyer. If the program hadn't been wrecked, T-Cubed would've never been IU's coach.
He should've tweeted how much he's been thinking about him.
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Absolutely insane. Crean needs help.
This may be right. What a buffoon.
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I have never in all my years on this board commented about Crean/Buzz, whatever. Just sat back and enjoyed the readings and rants. I actually thought he was good for the program.
After seeing his actions and reading about in the media, my thoughts have changed. Wrong place and wrong time to conduct himself in such a manner, especially after such an exciting game and heartbreak loss for Michigan. Sad....
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Heard the story but hadn't seen the video until now. That was ridiculous. Wrong place, wrong time for that crap.
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What is really weak about the whole thing, now having seen the video, is his comments when asked about it after. You don't get to act like that, and he was out of control, and then simply say, "ask him" when you're asked about whatbhappened. Meyer didn't do a damn thing. He was standing there talking to Buckley, when Crean started acting like a damn fool. Wy the hell should anybody ask him?
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He is becoming more emboldened because of his success. Imagine how insufferable he will be if he wins a national championship.
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Don't know if his behavior has rubbed off on the Harbaughs or vice versa. Nonetheless, Crean needs to consult with his shrink and get his meds adjusted.
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Figured most of you would enjoy this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTDnJ6zjmcw&feature=player_embedded
He's hard to like.
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People are already enjoying it...in the Superbar where it belongs.
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Dude absolutely looks deranged. Lock up all the women and children.
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He knew what he was doing. Grandstanding to remind people that HE was the one who rebuilt Indiana.
Managed to take a great accomplishment by those kids and overshadow it by becoming the story himself. What an ass.
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He knew what he was doing. Grandstanding to remind people that HE was the one who rebuilt Indiana.
I was thinking the same thing - that this may be a crazy like a fox move, but seeing that video, I'm not so sure. He just looks to be out of control.
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surprised? once a douche always a douche....
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If Buzz did something similar, this board would explode in support of him...and then explode again when LW said something controversial like, "He probably shouldn't have done that."
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If Buzz did something similar, this board would explode in support of him...and then explode again when LW said something controversial like, "He probably shouldn't have done that."
Do you honestly believe that? Did you see the video. This board would not be in support of Buzz if he did that. The difference is, Buzz would not do that.
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If Buzz did something similar, this board would explode in support of him...and then explode again when LW said something controversial like, "He probably shouldn't have done that."
I think the difference is, Buzz most likely wouldn't do something like this. The one time I can think of was when things got testy between him and Jim during an interview (if I'm remembering correctly) and this board was pretty split on Buzz's actions.
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If Buzz did something similar, this board would explode in support of him...and then explode again when LW said something controversial like, "He probably shouldn't have done that."
I am not sure. I for one wouldn't like it if buzz did the same. Dancing after a big win because he is happy is one thing, going after a coach for no good reason is another, especially after a win to clinch the conference title. What an ass. Its over the top no matter who does it.
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Do you honestly believe that? Did you see the video. This board would not be in support of Buzz if he did that. The difference is, Buzz would not do that.
Yes. Yes. Yes, it would.
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I disagree. If Buzz did that, a large number of people here would criticize him. He got criticized for snapping at Mac. Now, what WOULD be awesome is, after beating IU to go to the Elite 8, Buzz ran up to Crean and accused him of ruining the progam.
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I wonder if those still obsessed with Crean also cyber stalk their ex-girlfriends?
Who cares? Stop wasting your energy on that clown.
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I disagree. If Buzz did that, a large number of people here would criticize him. He got criticized for snapping at Mac. Now, what WOULD be awesome is, after beating IU to go to the Elite 8, Buzz ran up to Crean and accused him of ruining the progam.
$hit, even the sarcasm suffers when MU fans lose their mind over Crean. It's like watching a group of little girls on the school playground.
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If Buzz did something similar, this board would explode in support of him...and then explode again when LW said something controversial like, "He probably shouldn't have done that."
Buzz didn't do something similar. If he ever does, I guess we'll find out (I'm guessing we'll never find out). Until then, your comment is somewhat pointless.
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People are already enjoying it...in the Superbar where it belongs.
Not everyone is on this board 24/7 Sultan. My apologies
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$hit, even the sarcasm suffers when MU fans lose their mind over Crean.
I don't know, I thought it was kinda funny.
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$hit, even the sarcasm suffers when MU fans lose their mind over Crean. It's like watching a group of little girls on the school playground.
Yeah, it was over the top, but it briefly amused me.
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I wonder if those still obsessed with Crean also cyber stalk their ex-girlfriends?
Who cares? Stop wasting your energy on that clown.
wait... is it just the cyber stalking that's frowned upon? what about good ole' fashioned in-person stalking?
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I wonder if those still obsessed with Crean also cyber stalk their ex-girlfriends?
What ex-girlfriends?
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I don't know, I thought it was kinda funny.
With you, it's not a high bar.
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Heard the story but hadn't seen the video until now. That was ridiculous. Wrong place, wrong time for that crap.
Tweets bible verse before games; goes after opposing team assistant coach on the court; refuses to talk about it in the media session.
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5 years just about up. So if we can start judging Buzz in a month, can we also stop talking about the last coach then too? 4 of the top 5 Superbar threads are about TC.
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I think the difference is, Buzz most likely wouldn't do something like this. The one time I can think of was when things got testy between him and Jim during an interview (if I'm remembering correctly) and this board was pretty split on Buzz's actions.
The board wasn't split. It was clearly in Mac's corner and wondered WTF got into Buzz. Myself included, and I've been a Buzz fan from the get go.
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Tweets bible verse before games; goes after opposing team assistant coach on the court; refuses to talk about it in the media session.
I don't always yell at other coaches.
But when I do, I tweet about Jesus afterwards.
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He knew what he was doing. Grandstanding to remind people that HE was the one who rebuilt Indiana.
Managed to take a great accomplishment by those kids and overshadow it by becoming the story himself. What an ass.
This. He knew exactly what was going on.
He smiled when he saw the camera.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was premeditated with Buckley running interference for Crean to make the confrontation.
I'd be embarrassed if he did that at Marquette.
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$hit, even the sarcasm suffers when MU fans lose their mind over Crean. It's like watching a group of little girls on the school playground.
Most of us wouldn't know what it's like to watch a group of little girls on the playground.
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Yes. Yes. Yes, it would.
Then you have a different opinion of Buzz than most of us to even bring it up because it would not be something he would ever do based on his past behavior and interviews with him. He and Crean are so completely different as to what type of person they are. No comparison. The one time he did do something somewhat controversial with the exchange with Mac, the majority of posters were on Mac's side and were critical of Buzz.
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4 of the top 5 Superbar threads are about TC.
Who cares? Seems to me, those who click and comment on them hold the control to what impact those threads have on their lives.
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This. He knew exactly what was going on.
He smiled when he saw the camera.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was premeditated with Buckley running interference for Crean to make the confrontation.
I'd be embarrassed if he did that at Marquette.
Nah, that was a crazed look on his face like Son of Sam or a rabid raccoon.
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Nah, that was a crazed look on his face like Son of Sam or a rabid raccoon.
I have to agree. Dude got caught in an embarrassing moment.
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This. He knew exactly what was going on.
He smiled when he saw the camera.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was premeditated with Buckley running interference for Crean to make the confrontation.
I'd be embarrassed if he did that at Marquette.
The look on Buckley's face says to me he wasn't in on it.
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Then you have a different opinion of Buzz than most of us to even bring it up because it would not be something he would ever do based on his past behavior and interviews with him. He and Crean are so completely different as to what type of person they are. No comparison. The one time he did do something somewhat controversial with the exchange with Mac, the majority of posters were on Mac's side and were critical of Buzz.
Apparently quite a few posters don't understand hypotheticals.
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Stupid move.
Crean is hyper-competitive and got caught in a heated moment.
Dumb.
He has to control himself better than that.
IU fans will just chalk it up to him being a "fierce competitor", that that's fine. As long as he wins and the kids graduate, fans will tolerate stuff like this.
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Apologies issued...
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9039583/tom-crean-indiana-hoosiers-apologizes-michigan-wolverines-jeff-meyer-heated-exchange
"professional misunderstanding."
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Stupid move.
Crean is hyper-competitive and got caught in a heated moment.
Dumb.
He has to control himself better than that.
IU fans will just chalk it up to him being a "fierce competitor", that that's fine. As long as he wins and the kids graduate, fans will tolerate stuff like this.
Heated moment? The game was over. Indiana had WON. The guy he verbally assaulted was having what appeared to be a friendly conversation with IU assistant Tim Buckley and Buckley was obviously taken aback by Crean's behavior. This has nothing to do with being a "fierce competitor". It has to do with (win or lose) being an absolute douche. I don't expect Crean to be embarrassed - he's from the Jim Harbaugh school of sportsmanship and incapable of shame. Indiana fans won't be either. They love making excuses for the boorish antics of their coaches - did it for Knight for more than 20 years.
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As stated yesterday, Meyer was on Sampson's staff which helped to bring IU down to their lowest depths as a program. Meyer said something he shouldn't have in the handshake line, TC did something he shouldn't have after. Both made up last night per reports after a conversation.
Here's how the IU fans feel about it, and I suspect that's all he cares about.
http://www.hoosiersportsnation.com/index.php?/topic/8131-jeff-meyer/page__st__40
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As stated yesterday, Meyer was on Sampson's staff which helped to bring IU down to their lowest depths as a program. Meyer said something he shouldn't have in the handshake line, TC did something he shouldn't have after. Both made up last night per reports after a conversation.
Here's how the IU fans feel about it, and I suspect that's all he cares about.
http://www.hoosiersportsnation.com/index.php?/topic/8131-jeff-meyer/page__st__40
bahahahhahhahahahahahahhahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahah
Some day. Some day they will see. That is embarrassing behavior from a head coach of a major program. The whole exchange with Oladipo was SO CONTRIVED. He was trying to get something like a Huggins moment but he made damn sure the cameras were front and center. The guy needs some tact. This is no longer the Indiana show, its the Tom Crean show, and boy did he ever show it last night. What a total scum bag.
And if those IU fans are eating it up, then they probably believe the Jersey Shore is real.
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Heated moment? The game was over. Indiana had WON. The guy he verbally assaulted was having what appeared to be a friendly conversation with IU assistant Tim Buckley and Buckley was obviously taken aback by Crean's behavior. This has nothing to do with being a "fierce competitor". It has to do with (win or lose) being an absolute douche. I don't expect Crean to be embarrassed - he's from the Jim Harbaugh school of sportsmanship and incapable of shame. Indiana fans won't be either. They love making excuses for the boorish antics of their coaches - did it for Knight for more than 20 years.
LOL. Of course you didn't see or hear what happened just 2 minutes prior to that....funny how that works.
That's the danger of watching only one piece of video...as if that's THE ONLY video or the ONLY audio. Not surprising.
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As stated yesterday, Meyer was on Sampson's staff which helped to bring IU down to their lowest depths as a program. Meyer said something he shouldn't have in the handshake line, TC did something he shouldn't have after. Both made up last night per reports after a conversation.
Here's how the IU fans feel about it, and I suspect that's all he cares about.
http://www.hoosiersportsnation.com/index.php?/topic/8131-jeff-meyer/page__st__40
I'm sure you were shocked by the stupidity, hypocrisy and insanity exhibited by your fellow IU alums in that thread. They must have deleted your post to that effect.
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LOL. Of course you didn't see or hear what happened just 2 minutes prior to that....funny how that works.
That's the danger of watching only one piece of video...as if that's THE ONLY video or the ONLY audio. Not surprising.
No I didn't. Please provide so everyone can decide.
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bahahahhahhahahahahahahhahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahah
Some day. Some day they will see. That is embarrassing behavior from a head coach of a major program. The whole exchange with Oladipo was SO CONTRIVED. He was trying to get something like a Huggins moment but he made damn sure the cameras were front and center. The guy needs some tact. This is no longer the Indiana show, its the Tom Crean show, and boy did he ever show it last night. What a total scum bag.
And if those IU fans are eating it up, then they probably believe the Jersey Shore is real.
Yeah, his star player is crying and...wait for it...there are cameras everywhere in the building...so he should have just said nothing and allowed him to go into the locker room. LOL.
How do you avoid the cameras when they are everywhere? Too funny. There is a lot of reasons to come down on him for being a douche (which he is), that was not one of them.
Isn't it funny that guys like Wade, Novak, Oladipo, etc love him but other fan bases don't. I guess that's all that matters...those stupid players...they just don't have the ability to understand like you guys do. LOL
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Stupid move.
Crean is hyper-competitive and got caught in a heated moment.
Here's what I don't understand about this... Meyer has been on the Michigan staff the entire time TC has been at IU. If he really did have a beef with him, why did TC chose yesterday to finally go after him?
And, again, what's his problem with Meyer anyway? He doesn't have the job if Sampson and that staff don't screw up. Does he treat his old friend Kelvin Sampson or Dan Dakich with the same disdain?
I've never been a TC basher and I was a fan, but no longer. The guy has completely lost me.
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At least he didn't dance at center court.
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wait for it...there are cameras everywhere in the building...
Did those cameras happen to catch what happened "two minutes prior to that?" Doesn't seem like it. Funny how that works.
LOL. Of course you didn't see or hear what happened just 2 minutes prior to that....funny how that works.
Your evidence that actually happened is what?
How do you avoid the cameras when they are everywhere? Too funny.
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I'm just shocked that Meatchicken would hire someone off a staff where the head coach was put on a 5 year NCAA ban for violations in the very conference that Meatchicken plays in. Shocking.
Uncle Ed Martin would be very proud.
Spare me that he was cleared by the NCAA. All the assistants were because they make a lot less money and were allowed to continue on in their careers.
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Did those cameras happen to catch what happened "two minutes prior to that?" Doesn't seem like it. Funny how that works.
Your evidence that actually happened is what?
No, but people did because at that point they are still at a high angle camera during the handshake line. It wasn't until a minute later that hand held cameras were on the floor capturing the one on one stuff.
Read the link I provided, pretty clearly states what was said in the handshake line by Meyer. I would hope if someone said that to Buzz, he would get in his grill. I know Al would have.
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Here's what I don't understand about this... Meyer has been on the Michigan staff the entire time TC has been at IU. If he really did have a beef with him, why did TC chose yesterday to finally go after him?
Because Meyer said something in the handshake line that you don't say...that's why. That's what set him off according to people on press row that heard it.
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Because Meyer said something in the handshake line that you don't say...that's why. That's what set him off according to people on press row that heard it.
Honest question... What did he say?
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Dude absolutely looks deranged. Lock up all the women and children.
So y'all need to hide yo kids, hide yo wife, and hide yo husband cause they rapin' everybody out here.
What a classless prick. I hope IU gets bumped immediately from the B1G tournament AND the NCAA tournament for that outburst.
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bahahahhahhahahahahahahhahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahah
Some day. Some day they will see. That is embarrassing behavior from a head coach of a major program. The whole exchange with Oladipo was SO CONTRIVED. He was trying to get something like a Huggins moment but he made damn sure the cameras were front and center. The guy needs some tact. This is no longer the Indiana show, its the Tom Crean show, and boy did he ever show it last night. What a total scum bag.
And if those IU fans are eating it up, then they probably believe the Jersey Shore is real.
you could tell crean was worked up.
he forgot to lick and caress Oladipo's face, ala Huggins.
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Heated moment? The game was over. Indiana had WON. The guy he verbally assaulted was having what appeared to be a friendly conversation with IU assistant Tim Buckley and Buckley was obviously taken aback by Crean's behavior. This has nothing to do with being a "fierce competitor". It has to do with (win or lose) being an absolute douche. I don't expect Crean to be embarrassed - he's from the Jim Harbaugh school of sportsmanship and incapable of shame. Indiana fans won't be either. They love making excuses for the boorish antics of their coaches - did it for Knight for more than 20 years.
I'm not defending what he did. It was dumb.
The dude was emotional after a big win and crap-talked to a guy. It was dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
Terrible.
Awful.
Shameless.
I'm OUTRAGED!!!
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Because Meyer said something in the handshake line that you don't say...that's why. That's what set him off according to people on press row that heard it.
BS. One guy on the IU boards claims one anonymous source (from IU). And even with that flimsy "evidence" the "source" says Crean said something ("go F yourself?") to Meyer first. Anyway, still waiting on your tapes that will exonerate TC. Sigh. Sad. Pathetic. Clinical. Embarrassing. Hypocritical. LOL.
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Yeah, his star player is crying and...wait for it...there are cameras everywhere in the building...so he should have just said nothing and allowed him to go into the locker room. LOL.
How do you avoid the cameras when they are everywhere? Too funny. There is a lot of reasons to come down on him for being a douche (which he is), that was not one of them.
Isn't it funny that guys like Wade, Novak, Oladipo, etc love him but other fan bases don't. I guess that's all that matters...those stupid players...they just don't have the ability to understand like you guys do. LOL
Put your arm around the kid and take it to the locker room. Do you really believe half the things you say, or are you just seriously messing with everyone?
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No, but people did because at that point they are still at a high angle camera during the handshake line. It wasn't until a minute later that hand held cameras were on the floor capturing the one on one stuff.
Hmmm...this a picture tells a slightly different story as to cameras on the floor...
http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2013/3/11/4089202/tom-crean-altercation-michigan-assistsant-jeff-meyer-indiana-basketball
Read the link I provided, pretty clearly states what was said in the handshake line by Meyer. I would hope if someone said that to Buzz, he would get in his grill. I know Al would have.
The link you provided...to an IU message board that is the equivalent to this one? That's reliable. So some guy behind a keyboard saying, "According to a source that was sitting near the IU bench "Meyer told Crean to F--- himself in the handshake line after Crean uttered something to him." That's you justification for your guy coming unhinged? Even if we accept that version of things, as you stated, it wasn't even immediate, he actually had two minutes to think about it, and still went after the guy, and acted in that way. The guy is a child.
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I'm not defending what he did. It was dumb.
The dude was emotional after a big win and crap-talked to a guy. It was dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
Terrible.
Awful.
Shameless.
I'm OUTRAGED!!!
Atta boy! Look, I know your tongue is firmly in cheek, and I'm not really outraged either. I just love it when we get these little looks into what this guy is all about. And the people who defend this stuff are even funnier.
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Atta boy! Look, I know your tongue is firmly in cheek, and I'm not really outraged either. I just love it when we get these little looks into what this guy is all about. And the people who defend this stuff are even funnier.
I can't defend it.
But, I know how/why it happens. The dude is a workaholic and hyper-competitive. He takes strong ownership in the IU program, and anybody that unnatural carnal knowledges with that (perceived or actual) is his enemy.
I don't say any of this to defend his actions. I can't defend him. It was a douche move.
But, I'm not surprised that it happened. The dude is shrewd, but not 100% in control at all times.
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Isn't it funny that guys like Wade, Novak, Oladipo, etc love him but other fan bases don't. I guess that's all that matters...those stupid players...they just don't have the ability to understand like you guys do. LOL
Franco Harris, Lavar Arrington, Kirk Herbstreet, Matt Millen...
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Hmmm...this a picture tells a slightly different story as to cameras on the floor...
http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2013/3/11/4089202/tom-crean-altercation-michigan-assistsant-jeff-meyer-indiana-basketball
The link you provided...to an IU message board that is the equivalent to this one? That's reliable. So some guy behind a keyboard saying, "According to a source that was sitting near the IU bench "Meyer told Crean to F--- himself in the handshake line after Crean uttered something to him." That's you justification for your guy coming unhinged? Even if we accept that version of things, as you stated, it wasn't even immediate, he actually had two minutes to think about it, and still went after the guy, and acted in that way. The guy is a child.
Yup, he is a child....much like posters (yourself) attacking a coach's wife...all class.
Incidentally, there are at least 30 sites saying the same thing was said. He didn't like it, he responded. If someone told me to F Off, I would go after them, too. Heat of the moment...stupid stuff happens. Crean was stupid. Meyer was stupid.
Cowherd just did a segment on this. As he said (paraphrasing), 'you have to let humans be humans. In the heat of the moment, knowing what the history is, people do stupid things. Doesn't bother me at all. Best friends say stupid stuff in the heat of the moment and then they wise up.'
As I told you guys a few years ago and you pooh poohed it, the culture at IU was destroyed by what Sampson and his assistants did. What happened there hasn't even touched the surface in the press in terms of the drug use, etc. It was out of control, ridiculous. IU is a point of pride for many in the state. As such, there are some tremendously bitter feelings toward those a-holes that did it. The negative recruiting that came in the first few years, etc. Many chips on shoulders. A big mess had to be cleaned up and a lot of sand being kicked in the face along the way. Some of that is coming out now.
But I do love when we here at Scoop tell DWade and Novak and Diener and Oladipo and Zeller how stupid they are for not seeing him the way you do. They spend 1000's of days and tens of thousands of hours with him, they know him a bit better than you or anyone else here does. Personally, I think he's a jerk and douche and have said it here at least 500 times. Guess what, almost every head coach I've worked with is like that sans Joe Maddon and Mike Scioscia. Unfortunately it's how many of them are wired.
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If someone told me to F Off, I would go after them, too. Heat of the moment...stupid stuff happens. Crean was stupid. Meyer was stupid.
Agreed. And if someone told Buzz to F Off, I'd hope Buzz would go after the guy.
Any idea what Crean said to Meyer in the handshake line before Meyer dropped the line?
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" He needed killin' " is a valid defense in Texas
Buzz would definitely responded to such a conversation
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Incidentally, there are at least 30 sites saying the same thing was said. He didn't like it, he responded. If someone told me to F Off, I would go after them, too. Heat of the moment...stupid stuff happens. Crean was stupid. Meyer was stupid.
More absolute and unadulterated BS. An anonymous source claims Crean said something to Meyer FIRST to which Meyer ALLEGEDLY responded "Go F yourself". Even IF this happened (no tape, no video) the Indiana fan who started it admits Crean said something first to precipitate Meyer's response, and I'm guessing it wasn't "Merry Christmas". It's Crean being a jag and starting something and then also wanting to finish it. Not surprising he was your mentor.
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Yup, he is a child....much like posters (yourself) attacking a coach's wife...all class.
Similar to Crean calling the wife of a Memphis fan fat?
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As I told you guys a few years ago and you pooh poohed it, the culture at IU was destroyed by what Sampson and his assistants did. What happened there hasn't even touched the surface in the press in terms of the drug use, etc. It was out of control, ridiculous. IU is a point of pride for many in the state. As such, there are some tremendously bitter feelings toward those a-holes that did it. The negative recruiting that came in the first few years, etc. Many chips on shoulders. A big mess had to be cleaned up and a lot of sand being kicked in the face along the way. Some of that is coming out now.
So in other words, he took the opportunity to gloat. Thanks for enlightening me. I get it now, and take back everything I said. Perfectly justified in his actions.
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MU scoopers hating on Crean, (not that he doesn’t deserve it)
Chicos defending Crean.
Nothing to see here, time to move along.
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As I told you guys a few years ago and you pooh poohed it, the culture at IU was destroyed by what Sampson and his assistants did. What happened there hasn't even touched the surface in the press in terms of the drug use, etc. It was out of control, ridiculous. IU is a point of pride for many in the state. As such, there are some tremendously bitter feelings toward those a-holes that did it. The negative recruiting that came in the first few years, etc. Many chips on shoulders. A big mess had to be cleaned up and a lot of sand being kicked in the face along the way. Some of that is coming out now.
They hired Kelvin Sampson, he came from a school that has a building named after Barry Switzer. If IU didn't know who they were getting into bed with, shame on them.
Cowherd just did a segment on this. As he said (paraphrasing), 'you have to let humans be humans. In the heat of the moment, knowing what the history is, people do stupid things. Doesn't bother me at all. Best friends say stupid stuff in the heat of the moment and then they wise up.'
Fine, I can accept that but then be human and share some details with the press. Don't make it like the press invaded your private space when they catch you screaming at an opposing coach on the court. Have a human moment and express what was gong through your mind. Frankly, I think it's why people like Buzz. We know he's gonna screw up recruiting, sub patterns, play-calling and more but he doesn't always portend to have all the answers. Seems a little more real. For some reason everything with Tom seems so calculated...and then so off.
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One thing I can't find is what former IU player and coach Dan Dakich said about the whole brouhaha. Anybody know?
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Similar to Crean calling the wife of a Memphis fan fat?
Oh snap.
I didn't realize Chico had such a hard on for Joanie. Clearly I touched a nerve with a tongue In cheek comment that neither Joanie nor Tom Crean would ever read.
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I'm just shocked that Meatchicken would hire someone off a staff where the head coach was put on a 5 year NCAA ban for violations in the very conference that Meatchicken plays in. Shocking.
Hold on one damn second. Someone has to tell me WTF a Meatchicken is. I assume that Chicos is swearing and this is an auto-correct, but I have never seen it before.
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Spare me that he was cleared by the NCAA. All the assistants were because they make a lot less money and were allowed to continue on in their careers.
Yes - it's not like he was accused of giving out a t-shirt & ride to a recruit, which the NCAA defines as the line for punishable behavior with ACs
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He must get aroused after a win, his hair looks like it has a woody.
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They hired Kelvin Sampson, he came from a school that has a building named after Barry Switzer. If IU didn't know who they were getting into bed with, shame on them.
Indiana hired a known cheater from a cheater school where winning at any cost is the mantra. As long as he won and didn't get caught they were totally okay with him. When the cops showed up they all got religion and were "shocked" about all the shenanigans.
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Hold on one damn second. Someone has to tell me WTF a Meatchicken is. I assume that Chicos is swearing and this is an auto-correct, but I have never seen it before.
It's a poor attempt at humor from a singularly unfunny person. Michigan = Meatchicken. Don't he just slay ya?
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Yes - it's not like he was accused of giving out a t-shirt & ride to a recruit, which the NCAA defines as the line for punishable behavior with ACs
Yep. Sometimes they aren't allowed to continue on in their careers.
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One thing I can't find is what former IU player and coach Dan Dakich said about the whole brouhaha. Anybody know?
I believe he said, "Tom Crean is an asshat."
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http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/78957/it-happens-but-crean-has-to-know-better
"You can’t tell your athletes to behave out in the world, to walk away from arguments and toe the line of decorum and then go running around acting like a testosterone-laced bull while the television cameras are whirring.
The Indiana Twitter posse has rushed to Crean’s defense, saying that Meyer may have said something to the IU coach first -- the old "he started it" argument.
But that doesn’t fly for high-paid coaches any more than it flies for my kids.
Is it hard to walk away if someone calls you a name? Absolutely. But you do anyway. You do if you’re a kid because your mother told you to. You do if you’re an adult because you know it’s the right thing. And you most certainly do if you’re a head coach charged with "molding young men," as coaches like to say they do. "
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Yup, he is a child....much like posters (yourself) attacking a coach's wife...all class.
Woa woa woa - When did feminism & women's equality get rolled back on the scoop? Is Joani Crean an adult? Is she a person just as much as TC is?
We don't need to protect her delicate lady-ego. She's a woman
Take it easy - women are people too, Chico
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Yep. Sometimes they aren't allowed to continue on in their careers.
Was hoping to avoid this thread, but couldn't let this go unchallenged.
Scott Monarch was fired for lying to his bosses and independent investigators brought in to determine whether MU needed to report a violation.
Had MU not been able to determine Monarch had lied, and subsequently passed along a report to the NCAA indicating no violation occurred, that could have opened the program up to serious penalties for misleading the NCAA.
F--- that guy. He sealed his fate when he chose to lie.
And people around here who continue to defend him and play off what he did as no big deal are dead wrong.
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Was hoping to avoid this thread, but couldn't let this go unchallenged.
Scott Monarch was fired for lying to his bosses and independent investigators brought in to determine whether MU needed to report a violation.
Had MU not been able to determine Monarch had lied, and subsequently passed along a report to the NCAA indicating no violation occurred, that could have opened the program up to serious penalties for misleading the NCAA.
F--- that guy. He sealed his fate when he chose to lie.
And people around here who continue to defend him and play off what he did as no big deal are dead wrong.
Who's defending him? He was fired and should have been. He was not allowed to continue on in his career because he made less money.
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Anyone find it fitting that a coach who's big on self-promotion and making things all about himself is constantly being defended by a poster who's big on self-promotion and making things all about himself?
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Anyone find it fitting that a coach who's big on self-promotion and making things all about himself is constantly being defended by a poster who's big on self-promotion and making things all about himself?
Oh the irony...sigh...
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Allegedly Crean told him "Thats how you win at Indiana" and then Meyer told him to get bent. I'll look for the link, it was posted on Twitter this morning when everything came out about the handshake altercation
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http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/crean-apologized-michigan-assistant-18703080
The "Tan One" has spoken...
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What I don't understand is how long it took CTC to run back to Meyer to get in his face about the supposed "Eff you". If it actually happened, why not say something right away?
Cameras.
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Who's defending him? He was fired and should have been. He was not allowed to continue on in his career because he made less money.
Well, when one suggests he was "not allowed to continue on his career" for giving out a T-shirt and a ride to a recruit, that person is either a) ignorant of the real reason for his firing or b) intentionally obscuring the real reason to minimize his infraction.
The latter seems to be defending him by playing down the serious nature of his f--- up.
And it's not only you. Many times, mostly as a means to bash LW, posters here have written that Monarch was fired for giving out a T-shirt.
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What I don't understand is how long it took CTC to run back to Meyer to get in his face about the supposed "Eff you". If it actually happened, why not say something right away?
Cameras.
What we need is a frame-by-frame breakdown of the video.
Or better yet, the Taiwanese video treatment.
Because this stuff is really, really important.
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I love Crean's smug grin at the end. He's so proud of himself. Wanted to see someone punch him right in his oily, pock-marked face.
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Allegedly Crean told him "Thats how you win at Indiana" and then Meyer told him to get bent. I'll look for the link, it was posted on Twitter this morning when everything came out about the handshake altercation
If that's what the notoriously bad loser/bad winner said, he's lucky he didn't get a punch in the face to go with the "go f yourself". Again, Crean started it and had to finish it. Tool.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/crean-apologized-michigan-assistant-18703080
The "Tan One" has spoken...
Wow. Beilein vs TC - a classic contrast of class act and ass hat.
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One thing I can't find is what former IU player and coach Dan Dakich said about the whole brouhaha. Anybody know?
He still leads a pretty large cheer for Indiana. Hard to disassociate considering his relationship with the school. Can't imagine he'd say anything publicly. I know last week when everyone was drooling over the title celebrations, Dakich said he was perfectly fine with the Hoosiers cutting down the nets.
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Hmmm...this a picture tells a slightly different story as to cameras on the floor...
http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2013/3/11/4089202/tom-crean-altercation-michigan-assistsant-jeff-meyer-indiana-basketball
The link you provided...to an IU message board that is the equivalent to this one? That's reliable. So some guy behind a keyboard saying, "According to a source that was sitting near the IU bench "Meyer told Crean to F--- himself in the handshake line after Crean uttered something to him." That's you justification for your guy coming unhinged? Even if we accept that version of things, as you stated, it wasn't even immediate, he actually had two minutes to think about it, and still went after the guy, and acted in that way. The guy is a child.
That picture is awesome.
No Z in his 'fro, I4's got a V in his wig.
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He still leads a pretty large cheer for Indiana. Hard to disassociate considering his relationship with the school. Can't imagine he'd say anything publicly. I know last week when everyone was drooling over the title celebrations, Dakich said he was perfectly fine with the Hoosiers cutting down the nets.
Some don't like Dakich because they think he's too pro IU, but I think he tries to be fair.
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Nm
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Allegedly Crean told him "Thats how you win at Indiana" and then Meyer told him to get bent. I'll look for the link, it was posted on Twitter this morning when everything came out about the handshake altercation
CTC is a Poor Loser. His mother must be proud.
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If the Michigan boards are to be believed, it goes something like this. In the handshake line, Coach Crean says "Now that's how you win at Indiana" to coach Meyer. Coach Meyer responds with " (screw) you". A couple of minutes later, Coach Meyer and Coach Buckley are talking at midcourt and we saw the rest.
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John Beilein commented, "Michigan is always going to win with class and they're going to lose with class. We're never going to use victory or defeat to vent ... any frustrations we're going to have."
What a profound counter point to the irrational behavior that triggered this comment. Refreshing. Truly.
You can take the trash out of the Trailer Park but you cannot take the Trailer Park out of the trash.
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Torn apart on Around the Horn today.
Even lower opinions of him on PTI.
Everyone said it didn't detract from the win or the program, but was a big dip in respect for Crean.
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Really, if Meyer told Crean to go F himself, do you think Crean would be apologizing today for being unprofessional?
Seth Greenberg said it best on ESPN: Crean should have been hugging his players and celebrating an outright Big Ten title. Instead, he was being bitter, petty and small.
I've mostly been agnostic when it comes to Crean: I appreciate the good he did at Marquette; I'm glad he hired his replacement, whom I consider a superior coach. But some of the things Crean has done and said -- especially the bullying B.S. -- make me not like him at all.
It's no surprise that the IU faithful are defending their coach. He must be starting to remind them of the original bully who was there for decades.
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Really, if Meyer told Crean to go F himself, do you think Crean would be apologizing today for being unprofessional?
Seth Greenberg said it best on ESPN: Crean should have been hugging his players and celebrating an outright Big Ten title. Instead, he was being bitter, petty and small.
I've mostly been agnostic when it comes to Crean: I appreciate the good he did at Marquette; I'm glad he hired his replacement, whom I consider a superior coach. But some of the things Crean has done and said -- especially the bullying B.S. -- make me not like him at all.
It's no surprise that the IU faithful are defending their coach. He must be starting to remind them of the original bully who was there for decades.
I knew Bob Knight and Tom Crean ain't Bob Knight.
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Torn apart on Around the Horn today.
Even lower opinions of him on PTI.
Everyone said it didn't detract from the win or the program, but was a big dip in respect for Crean.
The man was eviscerated on all the talks today. But it wasn't for being petty, absurd, weird. Which everybody said it was. It's because he took the limelight from his players who earned the moment and made it all about Tom Crean. That is what people are disgusted by.
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John Beilein commented, "Michigan is always going to win with class and they're going to lose with class. We're never going to use victory or defeat to vent ... any frustrations we're going to have."
What a profound counter point to the irrational behavior that triggered this comment. Refreshing. Truly.
You can take the trash out of the Trailer Park but you cannot take the Trailer Park out of the trash.
Yeah, Uncle Ed Martin....Michigan always winning with class. Is that a joke or what. :o
It must pain you greatly to know Jim Harbaugh is a Michigan man and Jack worked under Bo. Must pain you deeply.
Why don't you ask a few folks about Jimmy B's past at WVU if you want to go down the class angle. LOL
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Really, if Meyer told Crean to go F himself, do you think Crean would be apologizing today for being unprofessional?
Seth Greenberg said it best on ESPN: Crean should have been hugging his players and celebrating an outright Big Ten title. Instead, he was being bitter, petty and small.
I've mostly been agnostic when it comes to Crean: I appreciate the good he did at Marquette; I'm glad he hired his replacement, whom I consider a superior coach. But some of the things Crean has done and said -- especially the bullying B.S. -- make me not like him at all.
It's no surprise that the IU faithful are defending their coach. He must be starting to remind them of the original bully who was there for decades.
Sure he would. Because Crean shouldn't have done what he did, that's why he is apologizing. Doesn't mean the exchange didn't happen.
Does is surprise you how many MU fans here defended Buzz during the sexual assault issues last year when we were getting buried by other teams fans left and right?
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Sure he would. Because Crean shouldn't have done what he did, that's why he is apologizing. Doesn't mean the exchange didn't happen.
Does is surprise you how many MU fans here defended Buzz during the sexual assault issues last year when we were getting buried by other teams fans left and right?
Classic. Bring up something that has nothing whatsoever to do with the current situation in order to deflect from an obviously unwinnable argument.
And to answer the question...NO, because that's what fans do.
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Really, if Meyer told Crean to go F himself, do you think Crean would be apologizing today for being unprofessional?
Seth Greenberg said it best on ESPN: Crean should have been hugging his players and celebrating an outright Big Ten title. Instead, he was being bitter, petty and small.
I've mostly been agnostic when it comes to Crean: I appreciate the good he did at Marquette; I'm glad he hired his replacement, whom I consider a superior coach. But some of the things Crean has done and said -- especially the bullying B.S. -- make me not like him at all.
It's no surprise that the IU faithful are defending their coach. He must be starting to remind them of the original bully who was there for decades.
I get the feeling Crean was told to apologize for what happened at mid-court not for what happened during the handshake charade.
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Who cares? Seems to me, those who click and comment on them hold the control to what impact those threads have on their lives.
What an inane comment. I think it's ridiculous that from the main page on the left sidebar I see 4 threads about Crean. So I'm the one being childish for calling out prople that are holding on to this grudge like Danny Bonaduce challenging Donny Osmond to a boxing match 20 years after no one cared about them?
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Sure he would. Because Crean shouldn't have done what he did, that's why he is apologizing. Doesn't mean the exchange didn't happen.
Does is surprise you how many MU fans here defended Buzz during the sexual assault issues last year when we were getting buried by other teams fans left and right?
Buzz wasn't accused of sexual assault. Tom Crean was a total jacktard, on national TV no less.
Not at all the same situation, but let's keep comparing them like they are.
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Yeah, Uncle Ed Martin....Michigan always winning with class. Is that a joke or what. :o
It must pain you greatly to know Jim Harbaugh is a Michigan man and Jack worked under Bo. Must pain you deeply.
Why don't you ask a few folks about Jimmy B's past at WVU if you want to go down the class angle. LOL
Good Lord, what does any of this have to do with Tom Crean's outrageous, unwarranted, and weird verbal assault against Meyer yesterday?
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Classic. Bring up something that has nothing whatsoever to do with the current situation in order to deflect from an obviously unwinnable argument.
And to answer the question...NO, because that's what fans do.
Sure it does. The poster said IU fans were defending their coach. Just as MU fans defended our coach. It is what fans do, just showing the hypocrisy again. It's white trash, hillbilly IU fans defending their coach but when MU fans do it for their coach it is what exactly? The same thing...fans being fans.
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Sure it does. The poster said IU fans were defending their coach. Just as MU fans defended our coach. It is what fans do, just showing the hypocrisy again. It's white trash, hillbilly IU fans defending their coach but when MU fans do it for their coach it is what exactly? The same thing...fans being fans.
And so when you rip people for being obsessed with Crean and yet every thread about him is filled with you talking about the guy that's...what?
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Good Lord, what does any of this have to do with Tom Crean's outrageous, unwarranted, and weird verbal assault against Meyer yesterday?
You said UM wins with class....oh really? Sorry, but if you are going to go out there with that ridiculous BS you are going to get called on it. Aren't you still on probation right now?
As for the TC's action...yeah, dumb, stupid, testosterone driven, whatever. Am I surprised? No. If he was told to F Off as some on press row and the front row are saying, then he has every right to be ticked. Considering all of the negative recruiting that has been going on and the fact that Meyer was part of that scumbag coaching staff, I can see the response. Wish he had done it in private and not the way he did it...that's where he erred'. If another assistant tells Buzz to F Off, I sure hope Buzz tells him to pound sand.
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You said UM wins with class....oh really? Sorry, but if you are going to go out there with that ridiculous BS you are going to get called on it. Aren't you still on probation right now?
As for the TC's action...yeah, dumb, stupid, testosterone driven, whatever. Am I surprised? No. If he was told to F Off as some on press row and the front row are saying, then he has every right to be ticked. Considering all of the negative recruiting that has been going on and the fact that Meyer was part of that scumbag coaching staff, I can see the response. Wish he had done it in private and not the way he did it...that's where he erred'. If another assistant tells Buzz to F Off, I sure hope Buzz tells him to pound sand.
Actually, I didn't say anything.
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What an inane comment. I think it's ridiculous that from the main page on the left sidebar I see 4 threads about Crean. So I'm the one being childish for calling out prople that are holding on to this grudge like Danny Bonaduce challenging Donny Osmond to a boxing match 20 years after no one cared about them?
Who said you were being childish. I just don't know why you care about threads about Tom Crean.
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And so when you rip people for being obsessed with Crean and yet every thread about him is filled with you talking about the guy that's...what?
I don't start them...the obsession starts with those that just can't help themselves. Address those that keep starting the threads.
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Jon B....exuding class
http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2010/06/steve_hawkins_calls_john_beile.html
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I don't start them...the obsession starts with those that just can't help themselves. Address those that keep starting the threads.
If it starts with them, it continues with you. I just don't really understand where you get this high and mighty attitude over those who talk about Crean all the time when you clearly can't help but jump in the mud with them.
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I think this entire thread is just the tits. Pari mutuel window openin' up soon to wager when this beauty gets locked.
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Jon B....exuding class
http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2010/06/steve_hawkins_calls_john_beile.html
You're kidding. Right?
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Sure it does. The poster said IU fans were defending their coach. Just as MU fans defended our coach. It is what fans do
+1000000000000000. Indiana fans defend Tom Crean. You defend Crean constantly, even when he does the indefensible. You are an Indiana fan. Marquette fans defend Buzz Williams. You didn't and you don't. In fact, you often rip him. By your own definition you are not a Marquette fan. Doesn't it feel good to be able to stop living a lie?
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Jon B....exuding class
http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2010/06/steve_hawkins_calls_john_beile.html
So, you are choosing to accept Hawkins version of things, which is fine. Beilein presents a slightly (and I do mean slightly) different version of things. The guy wasn't under contract, no rules were broken, and you are left with nothing more than a jilted coach, and a he said, he said. You have anything else?
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Jilted Marquette fans or non-Indiana Big 10 fans?
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God.
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Apparently someone has been spending too much time away from the office...
https://twitter.com/tomcrean/status/256567830869340160 (https://twitter.com/tomcrean/status/256567830869340160)
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Sure he would. Because Crean shouldn't have done what he did, that's why he is apologizing. Doesn't mean the exchange didn't happen.
Does is surprise you how many MU fans here defended Buzz during the sexual assault issues last year when we were getting buried by other teams fans left and right?
Hmmm ... I didn't even know Buzz was accused of sexual assault.
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By the by, did anybody else notice the self-satisfied, $hit-eating grin Crean had right after the confrontation with Meyer.
It said: "I verbally kicked his arse, didn't I? I am the man! I am Tom Effin' Crean!" He was so proud of himself.
Again, this post is from a guy who regularly defended Crean, not just on this board but in conversations with fellow Marquetters. But between his bullying of reporters, this incident and the general air of superiority he now projects, I have lost a lot of respect for him. I know that doesn't matter to him, but it matters to me.
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Don't forget Kentucky fans
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Jilted Marquette fans or non-Indiana Big 10 fans?
AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! STOP.
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By the by, did anybody else notice the self-satisfied, $hit-eating grin Crean had right after the confrontation with Meyer.
It said: "I verbally kicked his arse, didn't I? I am the man! I am Tom Effin' Crean!" He was so proud of himself.
Again, this post is from a guy who regularly defended Crean, not just on this board but in conversations with fellow Marquetters. But between his bullying of reporters, this incident and the general air of superiority he now projects, I have lost a lot of respect for him. I know that doesn't matter to him, but it matters to me.
And it should matter. We went to some affair back at Marquette in 00 or 01 and met Crean. My wife's comment was that, "he's a mile wide and an inch deep." And she was an extremely accepting person. She saw right through him as only women can.
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Jilted Marquette fans or non-Indiana Big 10 fans?
Watching the news over the past week it seems many in the press cannot stomach the man either.
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By the by, did anybody else notice the self-satisfied, $hit-eating grin Crean had right after the confrontation with Meyer.
It said: "I verbally kicked his arse, didn't I? I am the man! I am Tom Effin' Crean!" He was so proud of himself.
Again, this post is from a guy who regularly defended Crean, not just on this board but in conversations with fellow Marquetters. But between his bullying of reporters, this incident and the general air of superiority he now projects, I have lost a lot of respect for him. I know that doesn't matter to him, but it matters to me.
Looked like a cross between Jack Nicholson in "The Shining" and Jim Harbaugh on any Sunday afternoon/Monday night. Scary and disturbing, yet compelling in a sick sort of way.
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melatonin.
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melatonin.
HAHAHAHA
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Joanie?
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Looked like a cross between Jack Nicholson in "The Shining" and Jim Harbaugh on any Sunday afternoon/Monday night. Scary and disturbing, yet compelling in a sick sort of way.
That was the strangest part. It was so contrived. Nearly every talking head mentioned his grin and how it proved it was all for the cameras.
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+1000000000000000. Indiana fans defend Tom Crean. You defend Crean constantly, even when he does the indefensible. You are an Indiana fan. Marquette fans defend Buzz Williams. You didn't and you don't. In fact, you often rip him. By your own definition you are not a Marquette fan. Doesn't it feel good to be able to stop living a lie?
I defend Buzz all the time, especially to other fanbases that rip on him constantly.
I've never called Buzz a douche, I've done it 100's of times here about TC. I've never called Buzz a jerk, called TC that 100's of times. Funny how you miss that.
I am an Indiana fan, but a MU fan first. Glad that the administration spoke to the Buzzard, guidelines put in place, no more front page embarrassments for the university and the program and what happens...we win a championship. Hmmm.. ;D
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So, you are choosing to accept Hawkins version of things, which is fine. Beilein presents a slightly (and I do mean slightly) different version of things. The guy wasn't under contract, no rules were broken, and you are left with nothing more than a jilted coach, and a he said, he said. You have anything else?
Funny, Keefe is willing to accept Michigan fan base version and not a peep out of you. It's funny how you pick and choose, isn't it. Any comments about the coach's wife and her looks? :P
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Funny, Keefe is willing to accept Michigan fan base version and not a peep out of you. It's funny how you pick and choose, isn't it. Any comments about the coach's wife and her looks? :P
Not sure what Beilein did wrong. Guy wasn't under contract and took a better job. Got a $50M dollar raise in the process. I would think a Free Market Libertarian such as yourself would applaud that. Or are you really a closet democrat??
As for the Coach's wife's looks? I think Corrie is attractive in that cute, athletic girl way. Very sweet smile. I am sure she is beautiful in many ways.
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Keefe, Lenny, et al
Let's find some common ground
TC is a jerk? I think so, I worked for him, I would know.
TC is douche bag? I think so
TC is a media whore? I would say so
TC is an egomanic? Yup
TC acts like a child? Check
I'd go farther. He has a huge chip on his shoulder from everyone saying he won't succeed, can't win, etc. Huge check
I think we can all agree on these and I'm sure you can add to the list and I would probably concur on many of them.
Where I lose you guys is that a bunch of coaches fit that bill. Or when people say he can't coach, the players that have played for him and the results seem to contradict that argument.
Do what you are going to do. I don't care any more. I'm happy he got MU back to a Final Four. Glad he totally rebuilt the disgusting mess that Sampson left behind. If he leaves IU, I'll be fine with it. IU is better because of him but will survive. MU is better because of him but survived.
The obsession is interesting and I suspect it will never end until he is dead or goes to a DII school, but run with it.
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Chicos, Keefe, Lenny, (& Navin!?!) - drop the Crean posting for a while (like forever). It's getting tiresome, and we all know your opinions. If you like posting here, you'll stop posting about Crean.
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Chicos, Keefe, Lenny, (& Navin!?!) - drop the Crean posting for a while (like forever). It's getting tiresome, and we all know your opinions. If you like posting here, you'll stop posting about Crean.
I like how you kept the thread open to encourage them to keep posting.
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Crean never played the game. That coupled with his egomaniac personality does give him a huge cow chip on his shoulder.
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Who cares? Seems to me, those who click and comment on them hold the control to what impact those threads have on their lives.
Really? So it's my fault that when I come to the main page and look at "recent posts" on the side and see more threads about Crean than I do about anything else it's somehow an issue with me? Don't be inane. I clicked one to say that maybe when we have a coach we all love, a conference winning team, and are going to the NCAAs, maybe that's more worth talking about than the guy that left 5 years ago.
But I guess no one on this site wants to pass up a chance to argue with Chicos ::)
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I am ashamed to admit that I glanced through this whole thread. Remember that Sampson and Crean were/are?!?! friends. Crean sucked up to him and was an assistant under Sampson for USA 19U or whatever national team. I thought he wouldn't get the IU job because he was so close to Sampson. Crean goes off and rips the assistant but he was cuddling up to Sampson.
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I am ashamed to admit that I glanced through this whole thread. Remember that Sampson and Crean were/are?!?! friends. Crean sucked up to him and was an assistant under Sampson for USA 19U or whatever national team. I thought he wouldn't get the IU job because he was so close to Sampson. Crean goes off and rips the assistant but he was cuddling up to Sampson.
I4 only knows to suck up to his betters, but sh!t on everyone beneath him. Exact opposite of a leader.
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Crean never played the game. That coupled with his egomaniac personality does give him a huge cow chip on his shoulder.
The greatest Cow Chip Thrower of them all...Mr Sidd Finch
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The greatest Cow Chip Thrower of them all...Mr Sidd Finch
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Greatest SI cover story of all time!
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Greatest SI cover story of all time!
Plimpton was a National Treasure.
And don't even dare think about mentioning The Coach Whose Name We Dare Not Say!
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"As for Crean yelling, "You helped ruin our program" at former IU assistant Jeff Meyer, Crean should be ashamed of himself. What could be perceived as a lack of class in such situations has been noticed by other Big Ten coaches. One league coach said of Crean, "He never played, so he has this insecurity wrapped up with being totally aloof from how things are done. He has a hell of a team, but I have no use for the guy and his handshake antics, or his full-court press when he is up 30."
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/doug-gottlieb/21860424 (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/doug-gottlieb/21860424)
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Could've been anyone of the other 11 coaches. The guy is rabid and toxic. Foaming at the mouth like he was, with that crazed look in his eye, is a recipe for bizarre behavior. His opponents in the Tourney should just forfeit and let him win so he doesn't flip out and hurt someone.
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Some don't like Dakich because they think he's too pro IU, but I think he tries to be fair.
Just an update regarding Dakich, he was on the ESPN college basketball podcast with Katz and Greenberg. In essence, he didn't give a crap. Chalked it down to heat of the moment bullcrap and men let emotions go which is what happens during sporting events.
He also mentioned that he is friends with Meyer. Clearly not friends with Sampson, Senderoff, et. al. as he more then once stated they didn't understand how Indiana handles business and didn't seem to care if they get called out for their activities.
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Thank you for your services, DWade.
Move on over and make some room for the next disciple: Victor Oladipo.
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The guy is rabid and toxic. Foaming at the mouth like he was, with that crazed look in his eye, is a recipe for bizarre behavior.
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Crean never played the game.
Buzz never played either
I am ashamed to admit that I glanced through this whole thread. Remember that Sampson and Crean were/are?!?! friends. Crean sucked up to him and was an assistant under Sampson for USA 19U or whatever national team. I thought he wouldn't get the IU job because he was so close to Sampson. Crean goes off and rips the assistant but he was cuddling up to Sampson.
They are not friends any longer. As I've said here many times, you guys have no idea how deep the problems were that never got to the press. Very bad. Yes, sometimes people are friends and later in life they are not. You sound surprised or shocked that this could happen.
"As for Crean yelling, "You helped ruin our program" at former IU assistant Jeff Meyer, Crean should be ashamed of himself. What could be perceived as a lack of class in such situations has been noticed by other Big Ten coaches. One league coach said of Crean, "He never played, so he has this insecurity wrapped up with being totally aloof from how things are done. He has a hell of a team, but I have no use for the guy and his handshake antics, or his full-court press when he is up 30."
Can't argue with that...he's right....Likely Matta or Ryan said that, though both of them have displayed their own issues (who can forget Ryan at the funeral of a former player a few years ago and his comments about Bruce Pearl). Interesting that Gottlieb also says it wasn't an intentional foul considering it was "textbook". ;)
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Buzz never played either
Buzz never pulled a stunt like that either. What does Buzz Williams have to do with the discussion?
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While Crean having never played the game is seemingly a benign issue and not a condemnation of and by itself, it apparently does factor into his entire person and the reception he gets from others in the game. Odd how an unnamed Big Ten coach mentioned the same fact when discussing Coach Crean's psychotic behavior on Sunday.
BTW, I didn't just make up the idea that having never played the game, as it relates to the departed. It was brought up to me, by a former Warrior player who is still close to the program, in a discussion we had a few years ago.
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Yup, he is a child....much like posters (yourself) attacking a coach's wife...all class.
Incidentally, there are at least 30 sites saying the same thing was said. He didn't like it, he responded. If someone told me to F Off, I would go after them, too. Heat of the moment...stupid stuff happens. Crean was stupid. Meyer was stupid.
Cowherd just did a segment on this. As he said (paraphrasing), 'you have to let humans be humans. In the heat of the moment, knowing what the history is, people do stupid things. Doesn't bother me at all. Best friends say stupid stuff in the heat of the moment and then they wise up.'
As I told you guys a few years ago and you pooh poohed it, the culture at IU was destroyed by what Sampson and his assistants did. What happened there hasn't even touched the surface in the press in terms of the drug use, etc. It was out of control, ridiculous. IU is a point of pride for many in the state. As such, there are some tremendously bitter feelings toward those a-holes that did it. The negative recruiting that came in the first few years, etc. Many chips on shoulders. A big mess had to be cleaned up and a lot of sand being kicked in the face along the way. Some of that is coming out now.
But I do love when we here at Scoop tell DWade and Novak and Diener and Oladipo and Zeller how stupid they are for not seeing him the way you do. They spend 1000's of days and tens of thousands of hours with him, they know him a bit better than you or anyone else here does. Personally, I think he's a jerk and douche and have said it here at least 500 times. Guess what, almost every head coach I've worked with is like that sans Joe Maddon and Mike Scioscia. Unfortunately it's how many of them are wired.
Chico's, if a moron comes after you and tells you to F off, they are a moron. If you respond, you are a moron too.
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Oh, and in before the lock!
Hey, I hear there is a game tomorrow.
Go Warriors!!!!
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Chico's, if a moron comes after you and tells you to F off, they are a moron. If you respond, you are a moron too.
If an opposing coach starts the handshake line conversation (after beating you by 1) with "That's how we do it at Indiana (or any other school)" it merits, at the very least, a response of "F off".
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If an opposing coach starts the handshake line conversation (after beating you by 1) with "That's how we do it at Indiana (or any other school)" it merits, at the very least, a response of "F off".
At least the winning coached deigned to shake the hand of the vanquished assistant coach. I understand he is notorious for using some really bizarre handshake techniques designed to convey disgust, dislike, anger, and childish petulance.
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I4 is a family man.
Tom Crean @TomCrean March 8
Even in the midst of a great season for his team and for himself, Dwyane Wade continues to check on and study our team. Family personified.
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Yeah, Wade is pullin' an all nighter.
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Yeah, Wade is pullin' an all nighter.
translation: DWade sent me a text, and I'm still so insecure about life that I need to tweet the news to the masses.
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translation: DWade sent me a text, and I'm still so insecure about life that I need to tweet the news to the masses.
Note to self: Heat on a tear, Wade playing well. Use it/him for all I can.
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I4 is a family man.
Tom Crean @TomCrean March 8
Even in the midst of a great season for his team and for himself, Dwyane Wade continues to check on and study our team. Family personified.
Pure Horse Sh1t
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Curious why he doesn't tweet about interactions with Merritt, Townsend, Abraham, Robert Jackson, Diener, Novak, or any other guy who graduated from MU when he was here.
Only former NBA Finals MVPs are "family personified."
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Those guys are just step children.
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Curious why he doesn't tweet about interactions with Merritt, Townsend, Abraham, Robert Jackson, Diener, Novak, or any other guy who graduated from MU when he was here.
Only former NBA Finals MVPs are "family personified."
He has for some of those guys, you just aren't paying attention or skewed as usual. The players have also tweeted back...can't you just sense the hatred of TC from Travis, Novak, Wade, Jackson. ::) Yes, family personified, you just aren't part of the family.
https://twitter.com/TomCrean/status/185177767950815232
https://twitter.com/TomCrean/status/307708304182878209
https://twitter.com/TomCrean/status/75716634442080257
https://twitter.com/TomCrean/status/209770414828814336
Or how about the players tweeting back
Or Steve Novak mentioning Crean as a Good Samaritan in his tweet. http://tweetwood.com/stevenovak20/mentions/rickbozich
Or Travis Diener congratulating Tom Crean and the Hoosiers for the Big Ten championship the other day. https://twitter.com/DienerTravis
Or Robert Jackson on Crean https://twitter.com/borgib78/status/237693595505803264
I could go on and on and on. There are many out there. Don't confuse your hatred of him for the players that played for him who don't share your opinions.
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Chicos, Keefe, Lenny, (& Navin!?!) - drop the Crean posting for a while (like forever). It's getting tiresome, and we all know your opinions. If you like posting here, you'll stop posting about Crean.
I'm telling!
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It must be the former journalist in me and not being real in touch with the twitter world, but the spelling/grammar from someone of TC's stature is kind of embarrassing. Just strikes me as unprofessional.
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It must be the former journalist in me and not being real in touch with the twitter world, but the spelling/grammar from someone of TC's stature is kind of embarrassing. Just strikes me as unprofessional.
Some of that is the nature of Twitter and texting. When one has a limited number of characters they truncate or go shorthand. I think we've all seen it with texting over the years and has become a bit of a brutalized language as a result.
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Some of that is the nature of Twitter and texting. When one has a limited number of characters they truncate or go shorthand. I think we've all seen it with texting over the years and has become a bit of a brutalized language as a result.
Agreed. Twitter is limited to 140 characters per tweet. It isn't a place where grammar, etc should be policed. Think of it as the ways that friends speak around each other rather than at a business meeting.
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I don't know what's more tiring. This board's constant need to bash Crean at all costs, or Chico's tireless need to defend despite admitting he's an pretty boy. Both sides to give it up. Enjoy what's going on and for Chico's you're not a journalist who needs to present both sides of a story. Yeesh
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I don't know what's more tiring. This board's constant need to bash Crean at all costs, or Chico's tireless need to defend despite admitting he's an pretty boy. Both sides to give it up. Enjoy what's going on and for Chico's you're not a journalist who needs to present both sides of a story. Yeesh
IU is my alma mater also. Crean did great things for MU, something that hasn't been done in 25 years. There are two sides of a story...remember we were taught that at MU! :)