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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: MuggsyB on August 02, 2023, 09:41:01 AM
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Apparently 8th graders at Lebron's school in Akron haven't passed a State math test in three years. This is rather alarming to say the least. I'm not blaming Lebron and I think his intentions are good. It's also important to note that Covid and kids being out of school have probably impacted test-scores. That said if this school is completely failing you have to wonder what's happening at our schools across the country? There are very good teachers but clearly there are a lot of bad ones as well. IMO we need to completely revamp our entire primary and secondary educational system. It's an absolute s-show. I am curious the ideas Scoopers have to change this? I have some but want to here from the experts here.
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Apparently 8th graders at Lebron's school in Akron haven't passed a State math test in three years. This is rather alarming to say the least. I'm not blaming Lebron and I think his intentions are good. It's also important to note that Covid and kids being out of school have probably impacted test-scores. That said if this school is completely failing you have to wonder what's happening at our schools across the country? There are very good teachers but clearly there are a lot of bad ones as well. IMO we need to completely revamp our entire primary educational system. It's an absolute s-show. I am curious the ideas Scoopers have to change this? I have some but want to here from the experts here.
Isn't that the school that's taking on the most challenging, marginal students and trying to get them back into the education system?
Yep just looked it up - The kids attending the I Promise School were identified as the worst performers in the Akron public schools and branded with behavioral problems. Some as young as 8 were considered at risk of not graduating.
Gotta try something to keep these kids in school.
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Yeah, I wouldn't use this school as representative of the entire educational system.
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Yes, but they've put an enormous amount of resources in this school.
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Yep just looked it up - The kids attending the I Promise School were identified as the worst performers in the Akron public schools and branded with behavioral problems. Some as young as 8 were considered at risk of not graduating.
Yep. Articles without context citing to the school's aggregate standardized math test scores that lead Muggsy to come on here and label the school as "completely failing" is emblematic of our broken discourse around education - but that's about the end of its utility in analyzing the issue.
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Yes, but they've put an enormous amount of resources in this school.
The school receives identical local, state and federal funding as any other public school but the additional services surrounding the school are funded by Lebron.
What's your gripe there?
To fix the US education system we need to eliminate all private schools and home schools. Make them illegal. Ensure that the wealthy will have a vested interest in improving the public school system, which is the system that their kids will have to go through. That will fix the US education problem in 1 year, bringing us up to par with the rest of the developed world.
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Yep. Articles without context citing to the school's aggregate standardized math test scores that lead Muggsy to come on here and label the school as "completely failing" is emblematic of our broken discourse around education - but that's about the end of its utility in analyzing the issue.
Yep.
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The school receives identical local, state and federal funding as any other public school but the additional services surrounding the school are funded by Lebron.
***by the LeBron James Family Foundation
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The fact remains that our public schools are completely failing our children from disadvantaged socio-economic backgrounds. In particular our black children. I am of the belief that we as a society are responsible and we're doing an inordinately crappy job. I don't subscribe to the "these are problem kids" narrative. That's defeatist and horribly unfair.We actually need to do something about it instead of accepting garbage results.
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The fact remains that our public schools are completely failing our children from disadvantaged socio-economic backgrounds. In particular our black children. I am of the belief that we as a society are responsible and we're doing an inordinately crappy job. I don't subscribe to the "these are problem kids" narrative.
That's defeatist and horribly unfair.We actually need to do something about it instead of accepting garbage results.
Saying they are "completely failing" is hyperbolic nonsense. To assert that its solely the fault of "our public schools" is simplistic.
It is a multi-layered problem that's going to take more than our school systems to fix. It is intertwined with all sorts of issues than are completely outside the control of the public schools.
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The school receives identical local, state and federal funding as any other public school but the additional services surrounding the school are funded by Lebron.
What's your gripe there?
So eliminate all private schools? That's obviously absurd.
To fix the US education system we need to eliminate all private schools and home schools. Make them illegal. Ensure that the wealthy will have a vested interest in improving the public school system, which is the system that their kids will have to go through. That will fix the US education problem in 1 year, bringing us up to par with the rest of the developed world.
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Saying they are "completely failing" is hyperbolic nonsense. To assert that its solely the fault of "our public schools" is simplistic.
It is a multi-layered problem that's going to take more than our school systems to fix. It is intertwined with all sorts of issues than are completely outside the control of the public schools.
It's been a problem forever and we continue to fail.
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The school receives identical local, state and federal funding as any other public school but the additional services surrounding the school are funded by Lebron.
What's your gripe there?
To fix the US education system we need to eliminate all private schools and home schools. Make them illegal. Ensure that the wealthy will have a vested interest in improving the public school system, which is the system that their kids will have to go through. That will fix the US education problem in 1 year, bringing us up to par with the rest of the developed world.
So Religious affiliated schools would be illegal. I think that would violate the free speech and free exercise clauses in the Constitution.
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The I Promise Schhol has fewer than 250 kids. This is an utter and complete failure. Not a single 8th grader could pass the math exam? Ridiculous. And alarming. To see it any other way is being intellectually dishonest.
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It's been a problem forever and we continue to fail.
Maybe it's been a problem forever because its nearly impossible to fix. The best we can probably hope for is to lift up a significant enough number of people to make a difference.
Anyway, the greatest barrier to inter-generational social mobility is economic inequality. We aren't going to fix the former until we get serious about the latter.
https://www.investopedia.com/the-great-gatsby-curve-5205821
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So Religious affiliated schools would be illegal. I think that would violate the free speech and free exercise clauses in the Constitution.
Relax, that was a joke.
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The I Promise Schhol has fewer than 250 kids. This is an utter and complete failure. Not a single 8th grader could pass the math exam? Ridiculous. And alarming. To see it any other way is being intellectually dishonest.
Maybe a standardized math exam focuses on the wrong thing. What if this school develops curious learners, kids who feel confident, kids who see they can improve their situation and see the support to help them get there. Education is more than math.
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So Religious affiliated schools would be illegal. I think that would violate the free speech and free exercise clauses in the Constitution.
As long as the wealthy's children are able to avoid the public education system entirely, the public school system will suffer. It's much easier and cheaper for the wealthy to ensure there's one good school for their kid rather than bringing everyone up.
And private schools are protected by the 14th amendment, according to the courts. The liberty part, specifically - https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/14th-amendment#:~:text=No%20State%20shall%20make%20or,equal%20protection%20of%20the%20laws.
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The fact remains that our public schools are completely failing our children from disadvantaged socio-economic backgrounds. In particular our black children. I am of the belief that we as a society are responsible and we're doing an inordinately crappy job. I don't subscribe to the "these are problem kids" narrative. That's defeatist and horribly unfair.We actually need to do something about it instead of accepting garbage results.
Good on you Muggs! This virtue signaling is doing much more for the education system, and in particuar, those kids in Akron as compared to creating a school solely for the most disadvantaged kids in an economically deprived part of the country!
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The I Promise Schhol has fewer than 250 kids. This is an utter and complete failure. Not a single 8th grader could pass the math exam? Ridiculous. And alarming. To see it any other way is being intellectually dishonest.
I guess these kids’ ancestors missed out on the benefits that slavery provided, so the kids started life behind the 8-ball.
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The I Promise Schhol has fewer than 250 kids. This is an utter and complete failure. Not a single 8th grader could pass the math exam? Ridiculous. And alarming. To see it any other way is being intellectually dishonest.
Yes of course it's alarming. It shows that even with enormous resources devoted to a small population, it is incredibly difficult to have a significant impact on certain populations.
Being "intellectually dishonest" is not acknowledging the circumstances around the population the school serves.
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Maybe a standardized math exam focuses on the wrong thing. What if this school develops curious learners, kids who feel confident, kids who see they can improve their situation and see the support to help them get there. Education is more than math.
But is math, math?
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As long as the wealthy's children are able to avoid the public education system entirely, the public school system will suffer. It's much easier and cheaper for the wealthy to ensure there's one good school for their kid rather than bringing everyone up.
And private schools are protected by the 14th amendment, according to the courts. The liberty part, specifically - https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/14th-amendment#:~:text=No%20State%20shall%20make%20or,equal%20protection%20of%20the%20laws.
There are plenty of very good public schools that are in wealthy areas. Places like Westchester County in NY, All over Fairfield County in CT, variois places in Long Island and NJ, North Shore Chicago, etc
Poor performing schools are more a function of the lack of generally acceptable social standards of parents than they are of a lack of resources.
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Apparently 8th graders at Lebron's school in Akron haven't passed a State math test in three years. This is rather alarming to say the least. I'm not blaming Lebron and I think his intentions are good. It's also important to note that Covid and kids being out of school have probably impacted test-scores. That said if this school is completely failing you have to wonder what's happening at our schools across the country? There are very good teachers but clearly there are a lot of bad ones as well. IMO we need to completely revamp our entire primary and secondary educational system. It's an absolute s-show. I am curious the ideas Scoopers have to change this? I have some but want to here from the experts here.
The last thing some people want is an educated public.
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There are plenty of very good public schools that are in wealthy areas. Places like Westchester County in NY, All over Fairfield County in CT, variois places in Long Island and NJ, North Shore Chicago, etc
Poor performing schools are more a function of the lack of generally acceptable social standards of parents than they are of a lack of resources.
This is a lie
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Relax, that was a joke.
They call it a "shtick" round here.
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HSve9P0DEaA
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HSve9P0DEaA
Charlie Kirk, huh?
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Yes of course it's alarming. It shows that even with enormous resources devoted to a small population, it is incredibly difficult to have a significant impact on certain populations.
Being "intellectually dishonest" is not acknowledging the circumstances around the population the school serves.
Wrong. I have tutored students in these areas and they're fully capable with the right tutelage.
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Wrong. I have tutored students in these areas and they're fully capable with the right tutelage.
😂😂😂
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Wrong. I have tutored students in these areas and they're fully capable with the right tutelage.
Great.
Now, how do you propose providing "the right tutelage" to every student who needs it? How do you ID these students? Ensure they attend these tutoring sessions? Provide a location and resources? Find enough qualified tutors?
And do it all without spending additional funds?
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Great.
Now, how do you propose providing "the right tutelage" to every student who needs it? How do you ID these students? Ensure they attend these tutoring sessions? Provide a location and resources? Find enough qualified tutors?
And do it all without spending additional funds?
If a school with 240 total kids Pakumi cannot have a single 8th grader pass a state math exam in 3 years something is wrong with the math teacher. These are obviously small classes. . The math teacher there should be fired immediately. If you or I or anyone on this site took that job there is no chance whatsoever ever single student would fail for three full years.
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If a school with 240 total kids Pakumi cannot have a single 8th grader pass a state math exam in 3 years something is wrong with the math teacher. These are obviously small classes. . The math teacher there should be fired immediately. If you or I or anyone on this site took that job there is no chance whatsoever ever single student would fail for three full years.
This doesn't answer any of my questions.
And I'm quite sure neither of us would produce better results.
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This doesn't answer any of my questions.
And I'm quite sure neither of us would produce better results.
i am quite sure you're wrong.
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Send them your resume'.
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Yep. Only Muggsy holds the key to teaching math to underprivileged students.
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i am quite sure you're wrong.
Why are you ducking my questions?
Should be easy for a guy who firmly believes he could take a classroom of at-risk kids who are years behind academically and get them proficient in a matter of months.
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Because they're irrelevant. This is a school that costs 8 million a year to run. Thet have somewhere in the vicinity of 100 faculty members and administrators for 240 kids and they cannot pass a math test. Inexcusable and there's a reason why administrators throughout the state of Ohio are concerned.
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Because they're irrelevant. This is a school that costs 8 million a year to run. Thet have somewhere in the vicinity of 100 faculty members and administrators for 240 kids and they cannot pass a math test. Inexcusable and there's a reason why administrators throughout the state of Ohio are concerned.
So, you have no solutions.
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So, you have no solutions.
The solutions include holding teachers accountable. The solutions include using some of that 8 mill to teach these kids rudimentary reading and math skills in lieu of whatever the hell they are doing there. Part of my solution is to pay teachers in impoverished areas way more money for starters. Lebron James touted these gifted and talented teachers when he opened the school in 2018. Clearly they're a total failure. Do you really think this is a success story? Teach our kids to read, write, and basic math. It actually isn't that fking complicated or hard.. Solve these three problems. There is zero reason why everyone shouldn't be on the same page about this.
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The solutions include holding teachers accountable. The solutions include using some of that 8 mill to teach these kids rudimentary reading and math skills in lieu of whatever the hell they are doing there. Part of my solution is to pay teachers in impoverished areas way more money for starters. Lebron James touted these gifted and talented teachers when he opened the school in 2018. Clearly they're a total failure. Do you really think this is a success story? Teach our kids to read, write, and basic math. It actually isn't that fking complicated or hard.. Solve these three problems. There is zero reason why everyone shouldn't be on the same page about this.
Teaching underprivileged kids isn’t hard?
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Teaching underprivileged kids isn’t hard?
In this particular situation with very small classes I think they should be doing a far better job. From my experience tutoring it isn't that hard but I realize that's not exactly the same thing. It wouldn't be particularly hard imo if the vast majority of our focus was on reading,/math/writing. From my experience kids are overwhelmed because they get passed on in elementary school and get to high school reading at a 3rd grade level and not knowing basic math skills. Pay teachers more money but require far more accountability.
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In this particular situation with very small classes I think they should be doing a far better job. From my experience tutoring it isn't that hard but I realize that's not exactly the same thing. It wouldn't be particularly hard imo if the vast majority of our focus was on reading,/math/writing. From my experience kids are overwhelmed because they get passed on in elementary school and get to high school reading at a 3rd grade level and not knowing basic math skills. Pay teachers more money but require far more accountability.
Do you understand how much you're contradicting yourself here?
On one hand, you admit these kids have been passed along for years, leading them to be at grade levels far beyond their actual academic abilities.
And yet when those same students fail to show proficiency for their grade level, you blame their current teachers and schools ... not the fact they arrived in that classroom already years behind.
Is it your impression that a teacher ought to be able to teach a struggling student many years of subject matter in a matter of months?
Don't you think a better metric here would be student progress, as opposed to a single test?
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Do you understand how much you're contradicting yourself here?
On one hand, you admit these kids have been passed along for years, leading them to be at grade levels far beyond their actual academic abilities.
And yet when those same students fail to show proficiency for their grade level, you blame their current teachers and schools ... not the fact they arrived in that classroom already years behind.
Is it your impression that a teacher ought to be able to teach a struggling student many years of subject matter in a matter of months?
Don't you think a better metric here would be student progress, as opposed to a single test?
Are you saying that you are progressing if you cannot pass a basic math or reading test? We need to do a better job Pakumi. I got a bit carried away suggesting it's super easy but we must approach this whole thing differently. From my minimal experience I believe that despite these students being behind they are more than capable of learning these skills. Your point is well taken though. It has to start in grades K-3.
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Are Muggsy takes getting sillier and sillier?
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Are you saying that you are progressing if you cannot pass a basic math or reading test? We need to do a better job Pakumi. I got a bit carried away suggesting it's super easy but we must approach this whole thing differently. From my minimal experience I believe that despite these students being behind they are more than capable of learning these skills. Your point is well taken though. It has to start in grades K-3.
No one has suggested that we don't need to do better or that these kids are incapable.
What I'm suggesting is that it's not easy to take a kid from sh*tty socioeconomic circumstances, who's years behind academically, and get him/her proficient in a school year. It's a yearslong process filled with incremental gains. A kid who struggles with second-grade level math isn't going to pass an eighth grade test nine months later because the teacher tried really hard.
And yes, of course a student can show progress despite failing a test.
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North Carolina lawmakers recently fixed our education problem by not only giving public money to poor and middle-class families who choose to send their kids to private schools but also by giving public money to wealthy families who choose to do so.
Out of "fairness," of course.
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Are you saying that you are progressing if you cannot pass a basic math or reading test?
If an 8th grader comes in with the math and reading skills of a 3rd grader and leaves with the math and reading skills of a 6th grader, yes that is tremendous progress but they likely would fail a standardized math or reading test.
Now I have no idea if that's what's happening at this school. Just showing that a student can progress and still fail a standardized test.
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How did he get to the 8th grade if he has 3rd grade skills?
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How did he get to the 8th grade if he has 3rd grade skills?
Good question. This seems to happen frequently.
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How did he get to the 8th grade if he has 3rd grade skills?
It's called social promotion.
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Yep. Only Muggsy holds the key to teaching math to underprivileged students.
Stop attacking me Fluffy. I've been inordinately successful tutoring in the past.
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Are Muggsy takes getting sillier and sillier?
maybe not a surprise since he came to scoop after getting the boot over there --->
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maybe not a surprise since he came to scoop after getting the boot over there --->
I didn't get the boot.
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Stop attacking me Fluffy. I've been inordinately successful tutoring in the past.
Add being experts in fixing k-12 education to the list of accolades of the mope squad.
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Add being experts in fixing k-12 education to the list of accolades of the mope squad.
I've never claimed expertise in K-12 education. Muggsy has.
Perhaps he should have tutored you in reading comprehension.
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I've never claimed expertise in K-12 education. Muggsy has.
Perhaps he should have tutored you in reading comprehension.
Stop creating narratives. I wrote nothing of the sort. I stated we need to stop this madness because what we're doing isn't working. It's a disaster and we all know it's the key to progress among our disadvantaged. I also do have some experience. While I couldn't help everyone, overall I was extremely effective . Meanwhile you're unfairly attacking people and offering zero solutions.
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I understand that it’s difficult to fix so I have no solutions. Outside of trying to fix the root issue of wealth inequality that is.
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I've never claimed expertise in K-12 education. Muggsy has.
Perhaps he should have tutored you in reading comprehension.
I never said you were. Muggsy offers group rates.
I don't think even the mope squad likes you.
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I never said you were. Muggsy offers group rates.
I don't think even the mope squad likes you.
Oh well…
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Oh well…
I don’t think the people terrified of cities and the woke mob and the View like you either
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I don't like any of you and I'm not sure why I'm still here
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Don't know how any of this is going to make kids smarter.
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Don't know how any of this is going to make kids smarter.
The Gospel of Rico will learn them.
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What Muggsy fails to take into account is that in the cesspool that is the urban public school system, having Friday Afternoon drag shows for 3rd graders is deemed a higher priority than extra study periods.
Keep fighting the good fight, Muggs ( with tutoring and speaking out)
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What Muggsy fails to take into account is that in the cesspool that is the urban public school system, having Friday Afternoon drag shows for 3rd graders is deemed a higher priority than extra study periods.
Keep fighting the good fight, Muggs ( with tutoring and speaking out)
But they do teach slavery was good for African Americans, so they got that going for them. 🙄
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But they do teach slavery was good for African Americans, so they got that going for them. 🙄
Never happened. You’re a liar, and a sissy
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Never happened. You’re a liar, and a sissy
😂
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Stop creating narratives. I wrote nothing of the sort. I stated we need to stop this madness because what we're doing isn't working. It's a disaster and we all know it's the key to progress among our disadvantaged. I also do have some experience. While I couldn't help everyone, overall I was extremely effective . Meanwhile you're unfairly attacking people and offering zero solutions.
Look man, your use of hyperbolic language hurts your arguments. They come off as extremely emotional and irrational as a result.
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Look man, your use of hyperbolic language hurts your arguments. They come off as extremely emotional and irrational as a result.
Being hyperbolic and emotional doesn't mean one is irrational.
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Being hyperbolic and emotional doesn't mean one is irrational.
This is epitaph worthy
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This is epitaph worthy
I could go with that.... let me think about it.
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Being hyperbolic and emotional doesn't mean one is irrational.
True, but experience has shown me that there is considerable overlap on that Venn diagram.
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How is it even possible for not a single kid to pass a math test in three years?
Lebron had a video scrubbed from the internet when some college kid dunked on him over the summer but can’t even keep this a secret?
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Maybe they consider math obsolete like cursive penmanship.
We have electronic machines to do math these days.
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Maybe they consider math obsolete like cursive penmanship.
We have electronic machines to do math these days.
They probably only teach flopping and how not to acquire the clutch gene
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Cursive is pointless. Math is not.
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How is it even possible for not a single kid to pass a math test in three years?
Lebron had a video scrubbed from the internet when some college kid dunked on him over the summer but can’t even keep this a secret?
Lebron runs the internet? I think I’ll text him and have him scrub every reference to trump.
Thanks for letting me know this!!
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Lebron runs the internet? I think I’ll text him and have him scrub every reference to trump.
Thanks for letting me know this!!
It’s called controlling the narrating buddy.
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/214316-kings-edict-james-gets-dunked-on-by-college-player-confiscates-video.amp.html
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But is math, math?
Of course, and standardized testing is they way we evaluate both the education system and it’s students. It’s really tough to see so much money seemingly not work. All I’m saying is perhaps the math test is both the wrong focus of the educators and the wrong metric for the student.
Candidly, both my sons went to Montessori school from 18 months through 8th grade. I saw what it did for them and for the other students there. It is private, and they attend/ed a private high school. I was a public school kid, my wife, Catholic only.
I’m all for public education, I’d rather it focus on what I think matters, developing learners, kids with integrity, kids who take a risk, who aren’t afraid to fail, who want to learn what they want to learn in a framework that does indeed teach math. I don’t think eliminating private education is the answer, but I appreciate the logic. We asked our boys every year if they’d like to stay in the school, they said yes every year. School should be fun, exploratory, maybe blocked three grades in one classroom a la Montessori to teach the younger kids to ask questions to the older, and the older to develop into leaders. Develop pride in themselves as young people.
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Maybe they consider math obsolete like cursive penmanship.
We have electronic machines to do math these days.
Montessori schools like my sons are adamant the kids learn cursive. There is a process that teaches focus, muscle memory, eye discipline and plain old discipline, eye hand coordination through fun exercises. I couldn’t count the number of days they did sandpaper letters and pin punch outs. It’s more than an obsolete writing/communication method.
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Florida's Education Governor has effectively banned AP Psychology from being taught in the state's high schools.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/08/03/college-board-tells-florida-schools-not-to-teach-ap-psychology-after-state-deemed-key-topics-illegal/?sh=7e2f654f6181
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Florida's Education Governor has effectively banned AP Psychology from being taught in the state's high schools.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/08/03/college-board-tells-florida-schools-not-to-teach-ap-psychology-after-state-deemed-key-topics-illegal/?sh=7e2f654f6181
florida has been ranked by many to be #1 in higher education including us news so my presumption is this is another attempt at a dig to the next biggest threat to your political ideology...fail
i doubt this will have any effect on whether or not one is choosing between berkeley and florida state
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florida has been ranked by many to be #1 in higher education including us news so my presumption is this is another attempt at a dig to the next biggest threat to your political ideology...fail
i doubt this will have any effect on whether or not one is choosing between berkeley and florida state
I don’t want anyone choosing Florida State over Berkeley piloting my plane
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florida has been ranked by many to be #1 in higher education including us news so my presumption is this is another attempt at a dig to the next biggest threat to your political ideology...fail
i doubt this will have any effect on whether or not one is choosing between berkeley and florida state
Not only do college rankings have little if anything to do with this, but those rankings were before the assault on Florida's K-12 education started - including the canceling of AP classes strictly due to culture-war issues.
And if you go to one of Florida's fine universities and insist in your U.S. History course that slavery wasn't all bad for Black people - as DeSantis Middle School wants to teach - it probably won't help your grade.
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If the parents don't care about the child's education, there's no amount of money/resources you can throw at it that will make a difference.
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They probably only teach flopping and how not to acquire the clutch gene
LOL.
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You have to have some sort of standardized testing. I know most educators hate it, but it is the only way I know to measure teaching effectiveness against a standard. The standards exist to ensure students are ready for a life beyond school.
The reality is that, at some point, every student will pass out of the educational system and into the "real world." At that point, either you have "it" or you don't. If you don't have the skills and ability to function in a workplace, whether your education is high school, college or graduate school, you'll fail.
That's the grim reality, like it or not.
There's only so far any society can go to protect incompetence.
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florida has been ranked by many to be #1 in higher education including us news so my presumption is this is another attempt at a dig to the next biggest threat to your political ideology...fail
i doubt this will have any effect on whether or not one is choosing between berkeley and florida state
Florida universities are suffering a brain drain as faculty is leaving the state
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/30/florida-universities-colleges-faculty-leaving-desantis
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You have to have some sort of standardized testing. I know most educators hate it, but it is the only way I know to measure teaching effectiveness against a standard. The standards exist to ensure students are ready for a life beyond school.
The reality is that, at some point, every student will pass out of the educational system and into the "real world." At that point, either you have "it" or you don't. If you don't have the skills and ability to function in a workplace, whether your education is high school, college or graduate school, you'll fail.
That's the grim reality, like it or not.
There's only so far any society can go to protect incompetence.
Sure, but the objection is that the underlying assumption that standardized testing tests "it" assumes facts not in evidence.
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You have to have some sort of standardized testing. I know most educators hate it, but it is the only way I know to measure teaching effectiveness against a standard. The standards exist to ensure students are ready for a life beyond school.
The reality is that, at some point, every student will pass out of the educational system and into the "real world." At that point, either you have "it" or you don't. If you don't have the skills and ability to function in a workplace, whether your education is high school, college or graduate school, you'll fail.
That's the grim reality, like it or not.
There's only so far any society can go to protect incompetence.
Couldn’t disagree more. Change the standards. Not the level to achieve them, change what is important. Standardized math tests have no bearing on what it takes to “have it” or not. Keeping the same standards keeps things the same. Do we want to improve or not? A standardized math test does not teach compassion, empathy, integrity, discipline, motivation, confidence, respect, curiosity, critical thinking. It’s the regurgitation of what a small group of government workers think is the easiest way to manage the system. It is the absolute lowest, easiest, most detrimental choice.
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I look forward to your draft of a new standardized math test.
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Florida universities are suffering a brain drain as faculty is leaving the state
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/30/florida-universities-colleges-faculty-leaving-desantis
You have to dig pretty deeply into that article to find a statement from the State of Florida University System Chancellor asserting "State University System of Florida has not received any concerns from our member institutions indicating turnover this year has been any higher than previous years. Turnover occurs every year."
So the piece isn't really about "brain drain". It's about 3-4 slacker professors at New College of Florida pitching a hissy fit that they aren't being allowed to incorporate DEI and CRT into their teaching. And if their brains "drain" to another school in another state, Florida will be better off for it.
The article is nothing more than creating a false narrative in order to take a shot at Ron DeSantis.
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You have to dig pretty deeply into that article to find a statement from the State of Florida University System Chancellor asserting "State University System of Florida has not received any concerns from our member institutions indicating turnover this year has been any higher than previous years. Turnover occurs every year."
So the piece isn't really about "brain drain". It's about 3-4 slacker professors at New College of Florida pitching a hissy fit that they aren't being allowed to incorporate DEI and CRT into their teaching. And if their brains "drain" to another school in another state, Florida will be better off for it.
The article is nothing more than creating a false narrative in order to take a shot at Ron DeSantis.
"There is no war in ba sing se"
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So the piece isn't really about "brain drain". It's about 3-4 slacker professors at New College of Florida pitching a hissy fit that they aren't being allowed to incorporate DEI and CRT into their teaching.
You have some weird ideas about what actually happens in a college classroom.
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You have some weird ideas about what actually happens in a college classroom.
The Chancellor of the Florida System is quoted in the article as saying that turnover among faculty in the member institutions is no higher this year than any other year.
That renders the headline and entire thrust of the article fraudulent.
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The Chancellor of the Florida System is quoted in the article as saying that turnover among faculty in the member institutions is no higher this year than any other year.
Nope. That's not what he said.
"(The) State University System of Florida has not received any concerns from our member institutions indicating turnover this year has been any higher than previous years."
He didn't deny that there was high turnover. Just that he never received any concerns.
In fact, the Trustees of the System acknowledged there is high turnover this year and discussed it in July. Furthermore, Ron DeSantis acknowledged the high turnover, but says it's not that big of a deal.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2023/07/27/faculty-turnover-new-college-not-loss-florida-desantis-says/
Seems to me you don't have the latest in talking points lined up. Better sleep with Fox on tonight.
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Seems to me you don't have the latest in talking points lined up. Better sleep with Fox on tonight.
Just to be clear based on the collie costume thread: Sleeping with foxes is illegal. Sultan is suggesting you sleep with the news channel. Hope that clears things up.
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You have to dig pretty deeply into that article to find a statement from the State of Florida University System Chancellor asserting "State University System of Florida has not received any concerns from our member institutions indicating turnover this year has been any higher than previous years. Turnover occurs every year."
So the piece isn't really about "brain drain". It's about 3-4 slacker professors at New College of Florida pitching a hissy fit that they aren't being allowed to incorporate DEI and CRT into their teaching. And if their brains "drain" to another school in another state, Florida will be better off for it.
The article is nothing more than creating a false narrative in order to take a shot at Ron DeSantis.
CRT
😂😂😂
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The Chancellor of the Florida System is quoted in the article as saying that turnover among faculty in the member institutions is no higher this year than any other year.
That renders the headline and entire thrust of the article fraudulent.
In addition to what Sultan already has noted about his choice of words, are we just going to ignore the fact that the chancellor is a DeSantis lackey?
The Florida Board of Governors unanimously voted to appoint Ray Rodrigues as the chancellor of the State University System of Florida. The move means a political ally of Republican governor Ron DeSantis is now at the helm of the public system comprised of 12 universities.
https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2022/09/15/florida-system-hires-desantis-ally-chancellor
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I don’t want anyone choosing Florida State over Berkeley piloting my plane
How about your pilot being selected for the job based on race?
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How about your pilot being selected for the job based on race?
Right over your head, aina?
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Couldn’t disagree more. Change the standards. Not the level to achieve them, change what is important. Standardized math tests have no bearing on what it takes to “have it” or not. Keeping the same standards keeps things the same. Do we want to improve or not? A standardized math test does not teach compassion, empathy, integrity, discipline, motivation, confidence, respect, curiosity, critical thinking. It’s the regurgitation of what a small group of government workers think is the easiest way to manage the system. It is the absolute lowest, easiest, most detrimental choice.
Brother Jump:
How on earth do you measure compassion, empathy, integrity, discipline, motivation, confidence, respect and curiosity? Critical thinking may be measurable through word problems and essays but giving latitude in answers injects operator subjectivity which may or may not be relevant in post scholastic employment.
The reality is I indeed want all of the intangibles you outline in the people we hire. But a person can be the most creative, honest, confident and respectful person but if they can't do the work, there's no way I or my firm will hire them. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not ever!
Too many people are coming out of America's public schools without the ability to do basic math and language skills. In our business, we need those skills along with finance and accounting.
Again, competence is measurable. Character is not. Character is a qualitative assessment that comes from experience, knowhow and breaking down discriminatory barriers. But if the local schools are doing a crappy job of education, their pupils will be condemned to a life where their full potential won't be realized.
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Competence is partially measurable sure. But its hardly completely measurable.
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Competence is partially measurable sure. But its hardly completely measurable.
Competence is measurable in tbe skills brother dgies listed.
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As far as I can tell Lebron James has not made a single comment about his school since this story broke. Why not have a press conference and speak about ways to improve these results and demand accountability? It's an excellent opportunity fot him to step-up.
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He is dealing with a family emergency.
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He is dealing with a family emergency.
That's fair. Hopefully Bronny is alright.
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You have to dig pretty deeply into that article to find a statement from the State of Florida University System Chancellor asserting "State University System of Florida has not received any concerns from our member institutions indicating turnover this year has been any higher than previous years. Turnover occurs every year."
So the piece isn't really about "brain drain". It's about 3-4 slacker professors at New College of Florida pitching a hissy fit that they aren't being allowed to incorporate DEI and CRT into their teaching. And if their brains "drain" to another school in another state, Florida will be better off for it.
The article is nothing more than creating a false narrative in order to take a shot at Ron DeSantis.
Why take a shot at DeSantis if he shoots himself in the foot on a daily basis?
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Competence is partially measurable sure. But its hardly completely measurable.
Brother Sultan:
I agree. Sometimes we think we see the "complete package" only to be sorely disappointed by someone who doesn't live up to expectation. Other times, we take a chance on people and once in awhile, they perform beyond our wildest dreams.
But in this world as it exists today, it's a whole lot harder to take a chance on someone. My judgment gets called into question if someone in HR doesn't like my choice. If I pass over people who fit a social goal to take a chance on a person with an intangible, I get accused of things I'm just not. If I pursue a social goal because it's "good for society," and it doesn't work out, there is hell to pay.
The fact is my associates and I are human. While our perceptions are shaped by our life experiences, the ability to have some tangible and objective criteria on which to judge folks -- GPAs for example or passing the CFA -- are critical metrics.
Don't get me wrong. I really want to hire, promote and mentor people from disadvantaged backgrounds. It's good for our business, good for our community and good for our shareholders. But there has to be a measure of whether they can do the work!
As a final thought, one of my reports came into my office one day complaining about the number of women we hired. He -- and he was a he -- believed men were disadvantaged by our CEO's gender equity view. While I think she over-emphasized it at times (which was her prerogative because she was CEO), I basically amputated his head. "She was a pioneer," I said, "as was any woman who went into professional life in the 1980s. Because of her, my daughter may well have the same opportunity as my son. So you're barking up the wrong tree."
Full disclosure: She wasn't a particularly good CEO. But that had absolutely nothing to do with gender!
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Not only do college rankings have little if anything to do with this, but those rankings were before the assault on Florida's K-12 education started - including the canceling of AP classes strictly due to culture-war issues.
And if you go to one of Florida's fine universities and insist in your U.S. History course that slavery wasn't all bad for Black people - as DeSantis Middle School wants to teach - it probably won't help your grade.
how does that go? repeat a lie often enough...you guys are the (for fear of using original word) "experts" of this...you just can't let go. i know you can do it, you'll feel so much better, just breathe and tap your shoes together and...talk about nits man. anyone who is intellectually honest knows this is another big lefty lie, but because you dominate the media, it emboldens all of you until...the ny times says so or it's finally proven. then you just slink away and move on to the next lie
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how does that go? repeat a lie often enough...you guys are the (for fear of using original word) "experts" of this...you just can't let go. i know you can do it, you'll feel so much better, just breathe and tap your shoes together and...talk about nits man. anyone who is intellectually honest knows this is another big lefty lie, but because you dominate the media, it emboldens all of you until...the ny times says so or it's finally proven. then you just slink away and move on to the next lie
Coming from someone who likely believes in the "Big Lie" this is awful rich.
Saying lefties dominate the media is the most braindead thing you've said in a while, also.
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Florida universities are suffering a brain drain as faculty is leaving the state
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/30/florida-universities-colleges-faculty-leaving-desantis
they can take their DEI crap with them to another planet. climate change? nothing wrong with this as long as they can back up their stuff with science. teaching that gas stoves and the like are going to be our demise is b.s. yes, our climate is changing...next subject. florida will have no problem filling the vacancies that NEED to be filled
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Coming from someone who likely believes in the "Big Lie" this is awful rich.
Saying lefties dominate the media is the most braindead thing you've said in a while, also.
this one stung a little bit, eyna hardy?
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Saying lefties dominate the media is the most braindead thing you've said in a while, also.
Might want to sit this one out, kin.
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Just to be clear based on the collie costume thread: Sleeping with foxes is illegal. Sultan is suggesting you sleep with the news channel. Hope that clears things up.
In the 1970s I'd like to think that I got pretty close to more than my share of foxes, I don't mind telling you. Nothing illegal about it, other than a jealous ex-boyfriend in 1978 offering to rearrange my face.
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Florida universities are suffering a brain drain as faculty is leaving the state
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/30/florida-universities-colleges-faculty-leaving-desantis
The New College of Florida? Why do I picture something similar th the show Community?
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this one stung a little bit, eyna hardy?
One indictment, two indictments, three indictments
Pudding fingers losing bad, Arizona burning, Florida brain drain
Heckuva summer, aina?
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One indictment, two indictments, three indictments
Pudding fingers losing bad, Arizona burning, Florida brain drain
Heckuva summer, aina?
Both of our likely Presidental candidates in 2024 are liars and criminals Uncle R. If you're giving Biden a pass you're not thinking rationally.
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Both of our likely Presidental candidates in 2024 are liars and criminals Uncle R. If you're giving Biden a pass you're not thinking rationally.
Get back to me when Biden is indicted three times
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Get back to me when Biden is indicted three times
He’s not going to be because he is both the head of a crime family that controls the deep state AND an addle minded buffoon.
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this one stung a little bit, eyna hardy?
How does your stupidity affect me in any measurable way? At worst I shake my head and chuckle to myself and think, "This man thinks he is normal".
I guess maybe it stings a little knowing you are a graduate of the same school as me.
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Might want to sit this one out, kin.
Jeff Bezos? Famous lefty billionaire capitalist that breaks unions. Sinclair Broadcast Group. Famously left leaning... lmao. I could continue if you'd like.
Find me the lefties. MSNBC? I wouldn't call them dominant, and they're centrist at best. Like most of the 'media'.
I think I'm good, fam.
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Both of our likely Presidental candidates in 2024 are liars and criminals Uncle R. If you're giving Biden a pass you're not thinking rationally.
Well, they're both war criminals, that's for certain.
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Brother Jump:
How on earth do you measure compassion, empathy, integrity, discipline, motivation, confidence, respect and curiosity? Critical thinking may be measurable through word problems and essays but giving latitude in answers injects operator subjectivity which may or may not be relevant in post scholastic employment.
The reality is I indeed want all of the intangibles you outline in the people we hire. But a person can be the most creative, honest, confident and respectful person but if they can't do the work, there's no way I or my firm will hire them. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not ever!
Too many people are coming out of America's public schools without the ability to do basic math and language skills. In our business, we need those skills along with finance and accounting.
Again, competence is measurable. Character is not. Character is a qualitative assessment that comes from experience, knowhow and breaking down discriminatory barriers. But if the local schools are doing a crappy job of education, their pupils will be condemned to a life where their full potential won't be realized.
Brother dgies9156:
I hear you, I do. I’m midway through my life, and I hear you, you’re not alone here. As you say, public schools are doing a terrible job at teaching, so why on earth would we want to continue the method of teaching and measurement, standardized testing? Of course you can teach and measure math competency differently, and perhaps in a more real world way like you are asking for. Standardized testing in something like math, and it’s failures, isn’t on the kids. If it’s failing, change the system. If you want to highlight this example and blame the kids, I think it’s misguided personally. If we want change, we have to change. There are better ways to teach young people.
Question for you, why is the need to measure math competency via a standardized test more important than teaching the intangibles that may or may not be able to be measured? Why continue to put effort, money, time on a failing system, why not change the system? I’m not sure a middle school standardized math exam is important at all, but if we continue to teach to it, expect it to be a measure, continue to fail in education, and the kids continue to fail, well, that’s on us for being insane, as it were.
I’ll finish with of course certain jobs need high level math competence, or even moderate competence, the vast majority do not. All jobs need good work ethic, discipline, focus, enjoyment, curiosity, integrity, and respect.
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they can take their DEI crap with them to another planet. climate change? nothing wrong with this as long as they can back up their stuff with science. teaching that gas stoves and the like are going to be our demise is b.s. yes, our climate is changing...next subject. florida will have no problem filling the vacancies that NEED to be filled
Rocket, honest question here, why is DEI crap? I have to believe you actually don’t think it’s crap in and of itself but actually think the politics of it is crap.
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How does your stupidity affect me in any measurable way? At worst I shake my head and chuckle to myself and think, "This man thinks he is normal".
I guess maybe it stings a little knowing you are a graduate of the same school as me.
Maybe you need a standardized test
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How does your stupidity affect me in any measurable way? At worst I shake my head and chuckle to myself and think, "This man thinks he is normal".
I guess maybe it stings a little knowing you are a graduate of the same school as me.
you really think you a re a hard a$$ doncha. the projection from you is stunning...btw, you're gonna lose the pi$$ing contest so just run along
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Rocket, honest question here, why is DEI crap? I have to believe you actually don’t think it’s crap in and of itself but actually think the politics of it is crap.
i believe it takes away from education experience and teaches segregation and racism as opposed to just be a good person and respect each other. it further takes valuable time away from the core curriculum that has been shown to be lacking terribly in the very standardized tests we are discussing
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how does that go? repeat a lie often enough...you guys are the (for fear of using original word) "experts" of this...you just can't let go. i know you can do it, you'll feel so much better, just breathe and tap your shoes together and...talk about nits man. anyone who is intellectually honest knows this is another big lefty lie, but because you dominate the media, it emboldens all of you until...the ny times says so or it's finally proven. then you just slink away and move on to the next lie
Why are you calling Tim Scott, Will Hurd, Byron Donalds, Nikki Haley and other Republicans liars? Just because they criticized DeSantis for tripling-down on his state mandating that middle-schoolers be taught that there was a “silver lining” (Scott’s words) to slavery?
roQQet, you bend the knee to a pathological liar who has spent the last 8 years conning the easily-connable. You’re not exactly an expert on sussing out liars. Leave Tim Scott alone.
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i believe it takes away from education experience and teaches segregation and racism as opposed to just be a good person and respect each other. it further takes valuable time away from the core curriculum that has been shown to be lacking terribly in the very standardized tests we are discussing
Lol.
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i believe it takes away from education experience and teaches segregation and racism as opposed to just be a good person and respect each other. it further takes valuable time away from the core curriculum that has been shown to be lacking terribly in the very standardized tests we are discussing
How does it teach racism?
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i believe it takes away from education experience and teaches segregation and racism as opposed to just be a good person and respect each other. it further takes valuable time away from the core curriculum that has been shown to be lacking terribly in the very standardized tests we are discussing
Totally hear you. How does it teach segregation and racism? Do you mean it teaches ABOUT segregation and racism? I once considered myself “colorblind” but have realized that isn’t respectful or helpful. People want to be seen and heard. I 100% agree with you that we should just be a good person and respect each other, you are spot on in my opinion. Do you think teaching DEI and history give a perspective that might help us get to your goal?
You and I have had some what I would consider fruitful, considerate, and incredibly worthwhile dialog, and even through mere internet conversations I know you are a good human. So, I respect your perspective. Do you think perspective on history and DEI might lead to a better understanding of how we could teach something like math and perhaps how standardized testing isn’t the same for every socioeconomic or race based group? Even the same within these categories?
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Totally hear you. How does it teach segregation and racism? Do you mean it teaches ABOUT segregation and racism? I once considered myself “colorblind” but have realized that isn’t respectful or helpful. People want to be seen and heard. I 100% agree with you that we should just be a good person and respect each other, you are spot on in my opinion. Do you think teaching DEI and history give a perspective that might help us get to your goal?
You and I have had some what I would consider fruitful, considerate, and incredibly worthwhile dialog, and even through mere internet conversations I know you are a good human. So, I respect your perspective. Do you think perspective on history and DEI might lead to a better understanding of how we could teach something like math and perhaps how standardized testing isn’t the same for every socioeconomic or race based group? Even the same within these categories?
absolutely 21, you are one of the few here whom i can follow respectfully as well. thank you!
DEI is a complex subject. in and of itself, it is a fantastic idea and theory which should be front and center to all social interactions. HOWEVER, it has become highly politicized and weaponized along the way. schools have hijacked it to indoctrinate and have turned all of the core subjects into DEI centered studies. everything is viewed thru a DEI lens. it becomes a divide and conquer type ideology.
back when i was in school, we didn't pay any attention to what sexual preference someone was, what race they were, what religion they were-seriously. today? it seems everything is run thru some kind of filter first. ohh, ya can't say that or this now offends me, etc etc wtch some of the sitcoms from the 80's and 90's into 2000's-what were thought to be wholesome, healthy shows would be labeled as something totally different today; probably cancelled
education should not be a divisive issue. teachers need to TEACH the subject they are trained to teach. for example, i don't do rectal exams because i ain't any good at them. i'd rather focus on what i know, the other end, if ya know what i mean
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absolutely 21, you are one of the few here whom i can follow respectfully as well. thank you!
DEI is a complex subject. in and of itself, it is a fantastic idea and theory which should be front and center to all social interactions. HOWEVER, it has become highly politicized and weaponized along the way. schools have hijacked it to indoctrinate and have turned all of the core subjects into DEI centered studies. everything is viewed thru a DEI lens. it becomes a divide and conquer type ideology.
back when i was in school, we didn't pay any attention to what sexual preference someone was, what race they were, what religion they were-seriously. today? it seems everything is run thru some kind of filter first. ohh, ya can't say that or this now offends me, etc etc wtch some of the sitcoms from the 80's and 90's into 2000's-what were thought to be wholesome, healthy shows would be labeled as something totally different today; probably cancelled
education should not be a divisive issue. teachers need to TEACH the subject they are trained to teach. for example, i don't do rectal exams because i ain't any good at them. i'd rather focus on what i know, the other end, if ya know what i mean
Moronic as usual. Are you in school today? How do you “know” what is being taught if not? You don’t of course. You just barf out the last thing you heard on newsmax.
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Moronic as usual. Are you in school today? How do you “know” what is being taught if not? You don’t of course. You just barf out the last thing you heard on newsmax.
This is why my kids will never see the insides of a public school.
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This is why my kids will never see the insides of a public school.
Cool!
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This is why my kids will never see the insides of a public school.
As if a woman would have sex with you.
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absolutely 21, you are one of the few here whom i can follow respectfully as well. thank you!
DEI is a complex subject. in and of itself, it is a fantastic idea and theory which should be front and center to all social interactions. HOWEVER, it has become highly politicized and weaponized along the way. schools have hijacked it to indoctrinate and have turned all of the core subjects into DEI centered studies. everything is viewed thru a DEI lens. it becomes a divide and conquer type ideology.
back when i was in school, we didn't pay any attention to what sexual preference someone was, what race they were, what religion they were-seriously. today? it seems everything is run thru some kind of filter first. ohh, ya can't say that or this now offends me, etc etc wtch some of the sitcoms from the 80's and 90's into 2000's-what were thought to be wholesome, healthy shows would be labeled as something totally different today; probably cancelled
education should not be a divisive issue. teachers need to TEACH the subject they are trained to teach. for example, i don't do rectal exams because i ain't any good at them. i'd rather focus on what i know, the other end, if ya know what i mean
https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1687633269871747073?s=20
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absolutely 21, you are one of the few here whom i can follow respectfully as well. thank you!
DEI is a complex subject. in and of itself, it is a fantastic idea and theory which should be front and center to all social interactions. HOWEVER, it has become highly politicized and weaponized along the way. schools have hijacked it to indoctrinate and have turned all of the core subjects into DEI centered studies. everything is viewed thru a DEI lens. it becomes a divide and conquer type ideology.
back when i was in school, we didn't pay any attention to what sexual preference someone was, what race they were, what religion they were-seriously. today? it seems everything is run thru some kind of filter first. ohh, ya can't say that or this now offends me, etc etc wtch some of the sitcoms from the 80's and 90's into 2000's-what were thought to be wholesome, healthy shows would be labeled as something totally different today; probably cancelled
education should not be a divisive issue. teachers need to TEACH the subject they are trained to teach. for example, i don't do rectal exams because i ain't any good at them. i'd rather focus on what i know, the other end, if ya know what i mean
Keep bringing the truth Rocket and keep fighting the good fight.
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Keep bringing the truth Rocket and keep fighting the good fight.
The truth isn't parroting sh*t you hear elsewhere and assuming it's truth.
That's the lowest form of discourse, and frankly shows you haven't been as educated as properly as you think you have.
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absolutely 21, you are one of the few here whom i can follow respectfully as well. thank you!
DEI is a complex subject. in and of itself, it is a fantastic idea and theory which should be front and center to all social interactions. HOWEVER, it has become highly politicized and weaponized along the way. schools have hijacked it to indoctrinate and have turned all of the core subjects into DEI centered studies. everything is viewed thru a DEI lens. it becomes a divide and conquer type ideology.
back when i was in school, we didn't pay any attention to what sexual preference someone was, what race they were, what religion they were-seriously. today? it seems everything is run thru some kind of filter first. ohh, ya can't say that or this now offends me, etc etc wtch some of the sitcoms from the 80's and 90's into 2000's-what were thought to be wholesome, healthy shows would be labeled as something totally different today; probably cancelled
education should not be a divisive issue. teachers need to TEACH the subject they are trained to teach. for example, i don't do rectal exams because i ain't any good at them. i'd rather focus on what i know, the other end, if ya know what i mean
Rocket .... I appreciate the effort at rational discourse here, but you're making lots of assertions of fact here ("everything is viewed through a DEI lens") without any basis of fact or evidence. From where are you getting this info? Do you teach? Have kids in public school? Read educational journals?
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The truth isn't parroting sh*t you hear elsewhere and assuming it's truth.
That's the lowest form of discourse, and frankly shows you haven't been as educated as properly as you think you have.
You gotta get off MSNBC for a couple of weeks. There's a lot going on in the world that you're completely missing. Open up your mind.
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As if a woman would have sex with you.
What is a woman?
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You gotta get off MSNBC for a couple of weeks. There's a lot going on in the world that you're completely missing. Open up your mind.
I never watch cable news. It's awful propaganda. Smart people realize this and avoid it.
And I am certain that I know way more than you do about what's going on in the "real world." Frankly you sound completely uneducated on the matter and only belch out what you are force fed.
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absolutely 21, you are one of the few here whom i can follow respectfully as well. thank you!
DEI is a complex subject. in and of itself, it is a fantastic idea and theory which should be front and center to all social interactions. HOWEVER, it has become highly politicized and weaponized along the way. schools have hijacked it to indoctrinate and have turned all of the core subjects into DEI centered studies. everything is viewed thru a DEI lens. it becomes a divide and conquer type ideology.
back when i was in school, we didn't pay any attention to what sexual preference someone was, what race they were, what religion they were-seriously. today? it seems everything is run thru some kind of filter first. ohh, ya can't say that or this now offends me, etc etc wtch some of the sitcoms from the 80's and 90's into 2000's-what were thought to be wholesome, healthy shows would be labeled as something totally different today; probably cancelled
education should not be a divisive issue. teachers need to TEACH the subject they are trained to teach. for example, i don't do rectal exams because i ain't any good at them. i'd rather focus on what i know, the other end, if ya know what i mean
Keep fighting Rocket.
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What is a woman?
The people who ignore you.
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I never watch cable news. It's awful propaganda. Smart people realize this and avoid it.
And I am certain that I know way more than you do about what's going on in the "real world." Frankly you sound completely uneducated on the matter and only belch out what you are force fed.
You're right. You are really smart.
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The people who ignore you.
The gender that ignores you in the real world. Ass opposed to the scoopers already putting you on ignore here.
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The people who ignore you.
What is a woman?
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The gender that ignores you in the real world. Ass opposed to the scoopers already putting you on ignore here.
Gender isn’t real. That’s what they teach in schools.
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Moronic as usual. Are you in school today? How do you “know” what is being taught if not? You don’t of course. You just barf out the last thing you heard on newsmax.
get with the program, you should know by now it's faux knews, brightbart, knewsmax
so anything you disagree with is "moronic"? perfect! oh, and some of my best friends are still in school today stfu and get back to your "the view" reruns.
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get with the program, you should know by now it's faux knews, brightbart, knewsmax
so anything you disagree with is "moronic"? perfect! oh, and some of my best friends are still in school today stfu and get back to your "the view" reruns.
Love Whoopi
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get with the program, you should know by now it's faux knews, brightbart, knewsmax
so anything you disagree with is "moronic"? perfect! oh, and some of my best friends are still in school today stfu and get back to your "the view" reruns.
I know plenty of people who I disagree with who put together well thought out and logical arguments. They’re not moronic.
You on the other hand…
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I see an IBTL around the corner.
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Y’all remember when Reeko openly called for the assassination of Supreme Court justices and a sitting President? I ‘member. So do others.
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Y’all remember when Reeko openly called for the assassination of Supreme Court justices and a sitting President? I ‘member. So do others.
You’re very bold in your statements. Why are you such a coward in revealing which poster you really are?
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"Shtick"
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You’re very bold in your statements. Why are you such a coward in revealing which poster you really are?
Are you saying I am lying?
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absolutely 21, you are one of the few here whom i can follow respectfully as well. thank you!
DEI is a complex subject. in and of itself, it is a fantastic idea and theory which should be front and center to all social interactions. HOWEVER, it has become highly politicized and weaponized along the way. schools have hijacked it to indoctrinate and have turned all of the core subjects into DEI centered studies. everything is viewed thru a DEI lens. it becomes a divide and conquer type ideology.
back when i was in school, we didn't pay any attention to what sexual preference someone was, what race they were, what religion they were-seriously. today? it seems everything is run thru some kind of filter first. ohh, ya can't say that or this now offends me, etc etc wtch some of the sitcoms from the 80's and 90's into 2000's-what were thought to be wholesome, healthy shows would be labeled as something totally different today; probably cancelled
education should not be a divisive issue. teachers need to TEACH the subject they are trained to teach. for example, i don't do rectal exams because i ain't any good at them. i'd rather focus on what i know, the other end, if ya know what i mean
Appreciate that rocket, the longer we keep up the discourse the better.
I hear what you’re saying, and you’re not alone in the thought/feeling/belief that everything is filtered through a DEI lens. To a degree, I think you’re right. I mean it’s, of course, not everything, but I understand where you’re coming from.
The way I look at it is that the things you mention like race, sexuality, religion, sitcoms and how we “ignored” it was the filter at the time. Perhaps that was the white, misogynistic, homophobic, Christian, racist lens. Of course, I’m being intentionally direct and using strong (some might say right wing) words for effect. My point being is that the new “DEI filter” is different, maybe better, at least for those that were ignored. I ignored it, too. Perhaps DEI is actually trying to remove some of the indoctrination, or at least broaden views. Just a thought.
I personally don’t think DEI is divide and conquer. We are already different and divided, and I’m not sure who is the conqueror or who is the conquered. We will always be different, we don’t always have to be divided. It’s not about the division, it’s about understanding why division exists, how and more importantly why our history has shaped our today.
I appreciate your comment about teachers need to teach the subject they are trained to teach. I think if we all look at the current state of education and how politics has taken over, we can see how someone might think the “liberals” are trying to infiltrate our young minds with racist material and policies. I think we can also see how someone might think the “conservatives” are trying to infiltrate our young minds with racist material and policies, as an example. Point being, the only person that suffers and loses is the only person all these “liberals and conservatives” claim to be fighting for, the student.
If we actually focus on the student at a young age, allowing them to be curious and self-driven, to choose the things they want to learn in a system that guides them and develops math and language capabilities, to allow them to learn at their own pace (slow or fast) in all subjects, I think we would see immediate improvement in the standardized testing even if that wouldn’t personally be my goal.
Hah, yeah, I prefer my dentist to stick to teeth 😁
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Gender isn’t real. That’s what they teach in schools.
Actually, “they” teach that gender is most certainly real and most certainly not binary.
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you really think you a re a hard a$$ doncha. the projection from you is stunning...btw, you're gonna lose the pi$$ing contest so just run along
I don't even know what this is supposed to mean. I think it is an attempt at, "I know you are, but what am I"... but I can't be sure.
Ass. Pissing. See how easy that was? You just type the words... Unless your children have enabled a profanity filter on your ipad you can just type them like an adult.
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Keep fighting Rocket.
I think you dropped this.
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Actually, “they” teach that gender is most certainly real and most certainly not binary.
Since the dawn of time.