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“…Provost Kimo Ah Yun and Vice President of Student Affairs Xavier Cole would also be speaking at the convocation. Both identify as people of color.”Lol
Further proof that freshmen worth a damn should be busy boozing or puffin, not “meeting the Dean” at the convocation. A bunch of future RAs & library frequenters
One of the reasons tuition is high is .. due to adding more and more admin staff.
Marquette still gets new students? I've heard about a dentist of two that would doubt such things.
Marquette University’s New Student Convocation was postponed after a demonstration held by members of the Black Student Union, Marquette University Student Government, National Association for the Advancement of Colored People at Marquette University and the Latin American Student Organization.“They have us as a diversity token, always tokenizing us and profiting off of us, showing us all over social media that we are this diverse university when in reality they do not have our back and it does not feel that way,” Teresa Godinez, a junior in the College of Arts & Sciences and MUSG legislative vice president said. “That is why today we came out here to show that we are not going to stop, we are not going to be silenced.”https://marquettewire.org/4079276/news/marquette-university-postpones-new-student-convocation-due-to-student-demonstration/
Disadvantaged / first generation students (who are often racially diverse) are going to require more support than your traditional population. You can decide not to provide that support, but it will show up in your retention and graduation rates. Then what?That being said I have no idea if this is really a problem at MU.
Right. And we don't disagree. I think my main question is .. Has there been a time when a diverse student asked for assistance/tutoring/support/counselling and was told, sorry: no.Sure, maybe there's a line, maybe they need to make an appointment. And sure, if wait times are 3+ days, ok, that's a problem. I would bet the farm that's not the case, and any student, regardless of color, can get help in a reasonable timeframe.So .. what's the protest about, again?
If you go throughout the university one would find short staffed departments. It’s a reality in higher Ed right now. My employer has 80 empty positions throughout the campus departments. Having to wait to get an appointment is not racism and MU has shown effort to address these grievances and shortcomings, but it’s never enough.
So we’re admitting we don’t know if there are legitimate concerns, but we’re going to slam the minorities for wining because they’ll never have enough? Interesting viewpoint.
More is never enough?
Some students have to pay a fine of $300, write an apology letter, complete 20 hours of community service and write an educational program on the demonstration policy. If a student is placed on probation, they will likely have to step down from any leadership role.
The Marquette University Police Department was present at the demonstration. This led to confusion about whether the police were called on the demonstration or not.University spokesperson Kevin Conway said since the convocation is a larger event, MUPD was already planned to attend the event.“I think it’s nothing from the usual that Marquette does,” Teresa Godinez, a junior in the College of Arts & Sciences and MUSG legislative vice president said. “We came here peacefully demonstrating and protesting and here they call the police. We didn’t do anything violent so I don’t know why that was necessary and canceling the event … This isn't the end, this is just the beginning." so what if MUPD was present. maybe that was part of the reason the demonstration was as peaceful as it was reported. teresa godinez seems to take offense at this but states that "it's nothing unusual that MU does". so what's the big deal? if all hell breaks out for whatever reason, the same people who would question why MU wasn't prepared to protect or keep the area safe. so many things could have gone wrong, but thankfully did not as far as i am aware. for me, i would have welcomed the fact that security was present AND if this is just the beginning, they better expect at least the same amount of security if not more. the veiled threat as it seems, kind of encourages MU to be proactive for the protection of ALL involved. kudos to MU for getting that part right
Kimo and Company dropping the ban hammer on the disruptive students. Maybe they should become Scoop moderators.https://marquettewire.org/4082040/news/convocation-consequences/There was a student walk in support of the students this afternoon.The Provost released this in response -https://today.marquette.edu/2022/09/a-message-on-campus-climate-from-provost-ah-yun/
TAMUI do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.
To follow this up, there is a lot more early intervention these days. Schools use programs to track everything from class attendance, to grade, to code of conduct...to even things like meal usage and failing to show up for a student group meeting. The goal is to identify students really early who might be in trouble. Professors, RAs, student employers, etc. are expected to be WAY more proactive than they were in our day. Very often the people who intervene for underrepresented students are those from the office that these students are protesting over. If that work has even a 1% impact on retention, you are talking about a low to mid six figure impact on the University's budget. On to of that, they plan programming, accept appointments, etc.Again, I have no idea what the staffing situation is at Marquette. But if you are going to recruit a significant number of underrepresented students, you are going to have to ramp up programming to make sure they are retained. As an admissions friend of mine once said, without it you are heating the house while keeping the windows open.
You really need to get out more. There are entire neighborhoods, small towns, trailer parks, where basic daily responsibilities aren't being met. Bad parenting and lack of life skills are being passed from generation to generation. Anything that breaks that cycle in a positive way should be celebrated.
Oh good God!If a person can't handle basic daily responsibility -- eating, going to class, making grades, doing the homework -- then they truly don't belong on their own. I get there's always going to be someone who needs help but to build whole programs and intervention efforts around monitoring basic living is just a bit much.Gosh, the nanny"state" is becoming a bit much.
I wondered if MU would take this route. While almost all universities including private ones guarantee first amendment rights including right to protest, they do have a limited ability to control when and where protests happen. Almost every university has some version of a "disruptive activity" rule which is there to keep a protest from happening in the middle of a class. I think using this rule to protect convocation is a legally safe one. I wasn't sure if MU would use it because sometimes punishing protesters can cause a public backlash and some universities decide it's not worth the headache.
I wondered if MU would take this route. While almost all universities including private ones guarantee first amendment rights including right to protest, they do have a limited ability to control when and where protests happen. Almost every university has some version of a "disruptive activity" rule which is there to keep a protest from happening in the middle of a class. I think using this rule to protect convocation is a legally safe one. I wasn't sure if MU would use it because sometimes punishing protesters can cause a public backlash and some universities decide it's not worth the headache.You know that MU secrurity there because they have security at all large events right? They didn't call security because of the protest.
Stick to teeth.
i don't know where you get your chutzpah from, but for a "professional" taxicab driver, you sure do think your $hit don't stinkok reeko, i'll save you the time- 10/10 a smiley face, a squish ball and a trophy
You need an intervention. Again, stick to teeth.
i think you and reeko need to get a room
tamu, i actually applaud the fact that MU had their police there as they should for any event of certain size or potential volatility. don't know what i said that you interpreted to mean anything contrary. don't be like hards et.al. and put me on auto argue because, well, there goes rocket again.
Not everyone has you as parents Dgies. I'm sure you would agree that you and your wife were instrumental to preparing your children for success in college. Not every college student has that benefit. If you don't have these types of intervention programs, the alternative is that the student fails out, while still owing tens of thousands in student loans with no degree to show for it. That is potentially setting up an already struggling individual for a lifetime of debt and put them in a position where they have to rely on government assistance programs.IMO, the true value of college is not in the technical knowledge that gets learned in the classroom but rather that it gives young people who (for the most part) have never had to live on their own before and have always had someone else directing their life, a place to learn how to live on their own and be successful while having access to additional supports that don't exist in the real world. Theoretically, college helps take someone who may have no idea how to live on their own and launches them into the working world as a fully (or at least mostly) capable adult.
I would expect a school with a stated goal to attract more first generation college students would have support systems in place. I don’t think MU should be looked down on for providing extra support.
Our focus as a country should be on pre K education in our economically disadvantaged areas. It should be free and the teachers should be well compensated. We should use our resources to teach kids ages 2-5 in lieu of a lot of wasteful spending. The national goal should be for kids to read before kindergarten and there's zero reason why they can't. I've yet to hear a politician on either side propose this and it's basic common sense.
Cool. Not sure what that has to do with what we are talking about. But cool.
I'm not sure your theoretical example exists anymore for the majority of 18-22 yr olds. Also, "Having no idea how to live on your own" is ostensibly ubiquitous for people that have never lived on their own. No matter where they're from, their race, ethnicity, creed, gender, or height. Additionally a child brought up in a difficult environment, with neglectful parents, may be more equipped to live on their own at an earlier age than brother dgies was. I'm not sold that the purpose of college today is actually to teach kids how to be adults, take care of themselves, or be a panacea for bad parenting.
That's a lot of words to say that you disagree but give no reason for why.
I disagree with your basic premise.. The purpose of college (at least historically) is to give students the tools and passion necessary to pursue life-long learning. I'm not sure this is the case anymore for a myriad of reasons.
That doesn't disagree with what I said, just uses different words to say the same thing
Lots of politicians have proposed free Pre-K and it has been passed in a lot of areas -- including the county where I live, NC's largest. Except for the "well compensated teacher" part. Hopefully that's coming.
Kids need to be taught how to read pre- kindergarten. That should be a national goal that both major political parties should agree to immediately.
Yessir. Sounds like a good platform for you to run on, Muggs!
If they're not ready to live on their own, maybe they need to attend college locally where they can live at home. Or maybe they need to work a year... or go to a community college!
Disagree 100%. Last thing we need to do is teach kids to read. The problem with this country is educated people. Plus, if they learn how to read, they might learn CRT or read “To Kill a Mockingbird”. The damage would be catastrophic. Show them pictures of Noah’s Ark and teach them how to handle a weapon and they’ll be fine.
I don't question the need for some specialty programs like Achieve, or SIU's MAPP program for disadvantaged potential college students. But a widespread program aimed at the bulk of the student body just raises a boatload of questions about how ready students are to live on their own. I get the temptations are out there -- booze, drugs, sex etc -- but these challenges will be out there when these students leave college. If they're not ready to live on their own, maybe they need to attend college locally where they can live at home. Or maybe they need to work a year... or go to a community college! With one exception, the last person I'd want intervening in my life in college was my resident advisor!