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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MU82 on March 18, 2012, 05:37:47 PM
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This Sun-Times blog intimates Buzz isn't as happy at Marquette as he makes it seem, that his buyout is miniscule and that Illinois should go for him:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/
Here's the part about Buzz:
And then there is the name that, for whatever reason, has been hardly discussed.
Marquette's Buzz Williams.
Originally, the thought was Buzz Williams was untouchable. He makes a huge chunk of change (between $2.5-$2.8 million last year), his program has one of the biggest basketball budgets in the country, he has the Golden Eagles rolling and his buyout is too big for suitors to take him seriously.
However, the buyout for Williams is apparently fiction, put out there by Marquette people as a protective shield. The dollar amount of the buyout, rumored to be in between $1-$1.5 million, is actually one of the smaller ones among high-major coaches -- $100,000, according to a close source.
In addition, there are rumblings that despite all the success up at the Big East school in Milwaukee, everything might not be as kosher as perceived between Williams and Marquette. But it's also believed that there has been zero contact or even feelers put out by Illinois to Williams.
That may not change, but it should. Williams is adored by coaches in the city. He has a wide-ranging recruiting base. His teams play extremely hard and with a high level of toughness. He's taken four straight teams to the NCAA Tournament, including a Sweet 16 berth last year. He's won 26 games and counting this year and a date with Murray State on Saturday in the Round of 32.
So there you go. Unfortunately, the conductor of the Shaka Train has stepped off, forced to more than wanting to, but has provided two more names that could get Illinois basketball rolling.
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This reminds me of all the BS last year about Buzz going to Oklahoma. Recall how the "reporters" had their "sources" about how much Buzz made, his buyout and how he was putting feelers out. Recall that all the media was 100% sure Buzz did not have a large buyout and wanted out of Milwaukee. And recall how they were 100% wrong.
Not one thing he wrote about Buzz, fact or opinion is correct. He has his buyout wrong (it's higher), his salary wrong (it's lower) and how he feels about Milwaukee wrong.
Journalism is total garbage in the internet era.
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Unless Buzz is black and no one knows it, he isn't going to Illinois.
They want a black head coach.
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"In addition, there are rumblings that despite all the success up at the Big East school in Milwaukee, everything might not be as kosher as perceived between Williams and Marquette."
He probably read this board to get this info.
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Someone's head should be on the block if his buyout is really only $100,000.
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sounds an awful like the "reporting" that espn analysts do: "Source tell me" should always be translated as "my editor says if it bleeds it leads so I'm going to make some nonsense up"
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"In addition, there are rumblings that despite all the success up at the Big East school in Milwaukee, everything might not be as kosher as perceived between Williams and Marquette."
He probably read this board to get this info.
Joe Henricksen = Goose
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I've heard the Chicago sports talk guys trying to invent and perpetuate this on multiple stations. No one here in Chicago knows what they're talking about. Not saying Buzz would never leave but Illinos?! Talk about a step down...
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The Score in Chicago made a list of better destinations than Illinois and Marquette was one of 22 or so.
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i realize it's part of the modern reality of the 'press' but im sorry, "sources say" = lies. sources or it's not true.
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Dudes and Dudettes,
Where there's smoke, there's fire.
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Wow, that is some SPECTACULAR HACK JOURNALISM, even by Sun Times standards. The writer is flat out an inveterate liar. Scott Templeton from Season 5 "The Wire" would be proud.
(http://i.lv3.hbo.com/assets/images/series/the-wire/character/the-paper/scott-templeton-160.jpg)
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Dudes and Dudettes,
Where there's smoke, there's fire.
What smoke? This was written by the Sun-times suburban high school sports reporter. Everyone else is saying that UofI is looking for a black head coach.
The only smoke is what he is smoking.
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As Buzz's contract is private, this guy has no way of knowing what he actually makes or what his buy-out is. This is just a monkey flinging poop at a wall hoping some will stick.
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If Buzz has proven one thing, he's as good as his word. If he was unhappy about something he would be vocal about it if asked.
Additionally, Corey and the kids like Milwaukee. I think that's more important than a lot of other things to Buzz.
As Corey said last year at this time when this same crap started up, "Don't mess with happy."
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Illinois or any other program, it don't matter. I'm confirming it is common knowledge that there is some validity to this story.
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Where there's smoke, there's fire.
... or a joint laced with only the FINEST OF HALLUCINOGENS.
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Illinois or any other program, it don't matter. I'm confirming it is common knowledge that there is some validity to this story.
The happy part or the contract part?
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Illinois or any other program, it don't matter. I'm confirming it is common knowledge that there is some validity to this story.
Well, if this is true, I hope they are able to work things out.
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Happy. Don't forget that neither Pilarz or Williams hired Buzz
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Unless Buzz is black and no one knows it, he isn't going to Illinois.
They want a black head coach.
Isn't that discrimination?
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Why do we buy into this crap? We should be celebrating and praising the team and enjoy the ride before the year is over!
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Go right ahead and stick your head in the sand. Just sayin'
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Happy. Don't forget that neither Pilarz or Williams hired Buzz
Have you seen Pilarz with Buzz? The two appear to be very close, and Williams and Buzz were seen high fiving each other and looking very pleased with one another at more than a couple of games this year. Unless you wanna come out and prove what youre saying is true don't do the same thing this reporter is doing and make crap up
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Someone's head should be on the block if his buyout is really only $100,000.
Who's heads will roll if it comes out Buzz leaves b/c he wasn't happy anymore?
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Someone's head should be on the block if his buyout is really only $100,000.
That is not true. Info in there is wrong. Buzz's contract protects Buzz and Marquette if he leaves. MQ is determined not to go thru another TC situation.
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Have you seen Pilarz with Buzz? The two appear to be very close, and Williams and Buzz were seen high fiving each other and looking very pleased with one another at more than a couple of games this year. Unless you wanna come out and prove what youre saying is true don't do the same thing this reporter is doing and make crap up
That doesn't mean anything. No one knows. All speculation. Husbands tell their wives they love them and later that day they're banging the secretary. What someone says or acts in public doesn't mean shinola. Whether his wife loves Milwaukee or the kids do, whatever, no one knows. This is the annual "Oh crap we are going to lose our coach" BS that we bring upon ourselves. Have some confidence. The last guy stayed 9 years. Buzz has said something to the effect he will stay as long as we want him. All you can do is take him at his word. If he leaves, then he broke his word and you find another coach.
Phoenix, Thursday. Florida. Gators. Concentrate. Have. Fun.
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Dude, it's not me. This is commonly known. Doesn't mean Buzz will bolt, but appearances and words don't always tell the story. Like Buzz says, "you don't mess with happy."
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Texas is the job I'd be worried about.
And it seems Pilarz was itching to get Cottingham out. Hope that doesn't backfire.
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The one thing that may have pissed off Buzz was the fact they didn't make Broeker the AD and hired someone from outside. Buzz and Broeker are tight and Buzz prolly didn't like it and took it as a slap in the face.
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Texas is the job I'd be worried about.
And it seems Pilarz was itching to get Cottingham out. Hope that doesn't backfire.
Cottingham had to go. That whole thing was an embarrassment for the brass at MU and many alumni. Posters here keep burying it like it was no big deal, but the school doesn't like seeing itself on the front pages of the Chicago Tribune multiple times for that kind of issue. He had to go.
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The one thing that may have pissed off Buzz was the fact they didn't make Broeker the AD and hired someone from outside. Buzz and Broeker are tight and Buzz prolly didn't like it and took it as a slap in the face.
I have heard Broeker likes Larry Williams and is happy. He wanted it, yes, but is fine with the hiring of Williams.
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Think back to Buzz' Bar-B-Q. And, if anyone questions the coincidence of player suspensions this season, they're really nuts.
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Somebody had to take the fall in that situation, no one knows what happened in Zilber hall last year. Decisions were made, and none of us know what happened unless you guys are in the president's office or any of the offices in Zilber we will just never know the whole story with any of this. And Broeker is still very prominent in the athletics office, the difference between an athletic director that can also serve as a VP and is as qualified as Williams is vs. Broeker is a huge one. Buzz doesn't make that decision. I guarantee Mike Broeker is fine with how this turned out he is a stand up guy.
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The one thing that may have pissed off Buzz was the fact they didn't make Broeker the AD and hired someone from outside. Buzz and Broeker are tight and Buzz prolly didn't like it and took it as a slap in the face.
Considering what happened with the sexual assault stuff and the perception publicly, no way Broeker was going to get the job. No one internally was going to get the gig. Public Relations 101. It might be unfair but that is how the world works. Broeker stayed, so that is a good thing.
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Cottingham had to go. That whole thing was an embarrassment for the brass at MU and many alumni. Posters here keep burying it like it was no big deal, but the school doesn't like seeing itself on the front pages of the Chicago Tribune multiple times for that kind of issue. He had to go.
No he really didn't. The same situation happened at Notre Dame a few months before and the AD was supported while policy changes were implemented.
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The difference there was that the issue was silenced much more quickly at Notre Dame, and charges never got as far as they did at Marquette. Those 2 situations were very different from one another.
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Think back to Buzz' Bar-B-Q. And, if anyone questions the coincidence of player suspensions this season, they're really nuts.
Think back to Buzz walking it out.
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No he really didn't. The same situation happened at Notre Dame a few months before and the AD was supported while policy changes were implemented.
Notre Dame broke state law a few months before and the AD was the one that put in place the guidelines at Notre Dame when he was General Counsel at ND prior to becoming AD? No. No. No.
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I guarantee that not all of those suspensions were tied to anything from last year, he was told to run a tighter program and has been praised for suspending players by most people...Todd Mayo wasn't here last year so explain what you mean by the coincidence of player suspensions. These suspensions were most likely for minor violations of rules.
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Notre Dame broke state law a few months before and the AD was the one that put in place the guidelines at Notre Dame when he was General Counsel at ND prior to becoming AD? No. No. No.
You really know your stuff hoopaloop...spot on right there.
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Think back to Buzz' Bar-B-Q.
Wasn't there. Meaning?
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please god, make it stop...
we have a S16 matchup on thursday with FL, let's focus on that and enjoy the week instead of this garbage.
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It was very similar. ND didn't report to the accusation of sexual assault to St Joes' County PD until 2.5 months later. And it wasnt silenced quickly at all. The Tribune kept that story going for longer than MU's. The Dept. of Educ. also investigated ND and they made "reforms" like us. Only difference is Swarbrick was not made a scapegoat, Cottingham was.
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Who's heads will roll if it comes out Buzz leaves b/c he wasn't happy anymore?
No ones. Are you new to how Marquette operates???
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Didn't say this season's suspensions were dished out as a direct response to the alleged assault. But yes, the reins were tightened
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Notre Dame broke state law a few months before and the AD was the one that put in place the guidelines at Notre Dame when he was General Counsel at ND prior to becoming AD? No. No. No.
Yes, it would be more accurate to say that he was fired due to his actions as General Counsel and not as AD.
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Notre Dame broke state law a few months before and the AD was the one that put in place the guidelines at Notre Dame when he was General Counsel at ND prior to becoming AD? No. No. No.
Yep. That was his downfall.
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It doesn't matter what we focus on on this board what we say on a board won't affect player preparation, nothing wrong with talking about things. I thing the main distinction with Swarbrick was that he wasn't in charge of the poor policies at ND where Cottingham was. Cottingham wasn't the only one who took a fall because of the issue. The reigns needed to be tightened, they were tightened and Buzz got a raise from all this....Don't see how his happiness was compromised.
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It was very similar. ND didn't report to the accusation of sexual assault to St Joes' County PD until 2.5 months later. And it wasnt silenced quickly at all. The Tribune kept that story going for longer than MU's. The Dept. of Educ. also investigated ND and they made "reforms" like us. Only difference is Swarbrick was not made a scapegoat, Cottingham was.
Swarbrick did not institute the university policy like Cottingham did as General Counsel prior to him becoming AD. That is a monumental difference. The general perception is that MU did not comply with state law. Father Wild said things would change. Pilarz said the same thing. The person behind the policy was Cottingham who later was the AD where some of these incidents happened. How could he have been spared? There is no way. Either was General Counsel or as AD, he was gone.
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Didn't Rosiak write last year that Buzz did in fact have a huge buyout? I think it was when that writer from Tulsa was claiming Buzz to OU was a done deal and that his buyout wasn't big. That guy turned out to be terribly wrong a couple times.
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Regarding Buzz's buyout. We have this thread quoting a story by the that covers suburban Chicago High School sports for the (in bankruptcy) Chicago Sun-Times.
I guess you can learn a lot sitting in the stands of Bolingbrook against Rolling Meadows.
Now regarding his "sources" that say Buzz's contract only has a $100k buyout, I offer you my source, Todd Rosiak
March 28, 2011
Rosiak:
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/118803149.html
The guess here is it's going to be a deal worth more than $2 million annually. How it will be structured -- whether it's another rollover contract, how much the buyout will be and so on -- will probably be the major sticking points. He's currently signed to a six-year rollover deal paying him $1.6 million. That figure is scheduled to jump to over $1.7 million in the coming months.
Undoubtedly, Williams would like the buyout in his new contract to be lower than the figure that it would take to get him out of his current deal: $3.8 million, all told. It's standard in contracts for the buyout to drop every few years in order to afford the coach some flexibility as time goes on, so looking for something like that to be included wouldn't be out of the ordinary from Williams' standpoint.
MU, from its vantage point, has no problem paying the going rate for a hot young coach like Williams. The school proved that with Tom Crean years ago. The key will be structuring the deal in such a way that it can protect itself somewhat in the coming years, as Williams will likely be a popular name for most coaching vacancies that pop up each off-season, just as he is now, and like Crean was.
Both parties appear to be on the same page, and Williams after MU's loss last Friday appeared in no way interested in moving on. Things can obviously change, and nothing is set in stone until an agreement is announced. But my guess is something will come together at some point over the course of this week, and the carousel can finally stop spinning in Milwaukee.
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It doesn't matter what we focus on on this board what we say on a board won't affect player preparation, nothing wrong with talking about things. I thing the main distinction with Swarbrick was that he wasn't in charge of the poor policies at ND where Cottingham was. Cottingham wasn't the only one who took a fall because of the issue. The reigns needed to be tightened, they were tightened and Buzz got a raise from all this....Don't see how his happiness was compromised.
He may feel that he was unfairly blamed. He may not be happy with the people he works for.
I mean who knows. A lot of people can be unhappy, but they work things out.
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It was three years after he was GC. You really gonna say he was held accountable for that when the current GC had three years to review it and make changes if it was as egregious as you say.
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It was three years after he was GC. You really gonna say he was held accountable for that when the current GC had three years to review it and make changes if it was as egregious as you say.
What incentive would they have to change it when there was no issue with it for those three years?
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Pretty negligent for a GC to just wait for something to happen and then review procedure (let alone continue to follow that procedure).
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No ones. Are you new to how Marquette operates???
+1, seriously
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Isn't that discrimination?
Yes, of a particular variety known as reverse discrimination. Discrimination justified to correct previous discrimination.
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Happy. Don't forget that neither Pilarz or Williams hired Buzz
Please don't tell me that Larry Williams is in love with a Brey assistant or believes that the ND women's coach is ready to try her hand at men's basketball.
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Yes, of a particular variety known as reverse discrimination. Discrimination justified to correct previous discrimination.
Shouldn't they hire Chief Illiniwek then?
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Texas is the job I'd be worried about.
And it seems Pilarz was itching to get Cottingham out. Hope that doesn't backfire.
Could it be that Pilarz is a Georgetown plant sent here to destroy the MU men's basketball program???
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No ones. Are you new to how Marquette operates???
Wonderful to know.
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No ones. Are you new to how Marquette operates???
No heads will roll?
When the money from the games goes down with lower attendance and lower season ticket numbers and this would happen, someone will have to be held accountable. Hey, I'm not an alum or an insider, but when a former player from 55 years ago tells me that if Buzz leaves because there are conflicts with the new administration, he will no longer buy season tickets and will cease contributing to the university, there will be problems and he's not the only alum that has told me that.
Just look at the Wake Forest situation right now. They were down to 8,500 for average home attendance this year from 13,500 a few short years ago. Money is going to be an issue going forward with that program as alums and boosters are not happy and the newcomers in this administration better understand that if something changes at Marquette.
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No heads will roll?
When the money from the games goes down with lower attendance and lower season ticket numbers and this would happen, someone will have to be held accountable. Hey, I'm not an alum or an insider, but when a former player from 55 years ago tells me that if Buzz leaves because there are conflicts with the new administration, he will no longer buy season tickets and will cease contributing to the university, there will be problems and he's not the only alum that has told me that.
Just look at the Wake Forest situation right now. They were down to 8,500 for average home attendance this year from 13,500 a few short years ago. Money is going to be an issue going forward with that program as alums and boosters are not happy and the newcomers in this administration better understand that if something changes at Marquette.
I hope you're right and they know it, but this isn't a GM or even president of a professional franchise - these jobs are not ones that are filled every 3-5 years like in pro sports.
You alienate every MU basketball fan if you, not MU Nation, is the reason Buzz leaves. Every season ticket holder and powerful alum would need to hold their feet to the fire on this - do we want to be DePaul?
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Illinois or any other program, it don't matter. I'm confirming it is common knowledge that there is some validity to this story.
Source?
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The difference there was that the issue was silenced much more quickly at Notre Dame, and charges never got as far as they did at Marquette. Those 2 situations were very different from one another.
I guess that there are advantages to driving the victim to suicide. How ND could not have been more concerned about that outcome, I'll never know. When football got threatened, Catholic values went right out the window. The victim's parents who were big Domer supporters got the complete cold shoulder from everyone associated with ND football when the wagons at ND were circled.
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Buzz has had his balls squeezed since the assault. Do not care who believes me or not but there is smoke and i am very worried. MU brass made if tough on Buzz and this was not a secret in certain circles. The buyout means nothing if MU wants Buzz to go....theban take whatever they want.
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From the press conference, it seems like he is kinda pissed off with MU in general. I was a little thrown back when he referenced MUScoop and two people cheering on the trip back from NYC. First off, how are talking about teaching your kids to live in this bubble and block the noise when he isn't. Why is he dogging the fan base? Even if the fan base sucks, you keep that in house like everyone else. Every coach/player says that they have the best fan base in the world even if they know it's not true.
We are a D1 program that has a decent amount of fans are for following the program. Having critical fans is par for the course. I love Buzz as our coach but I think he needs to lighten up with that all. I hope he can move on and continue coaching for MU.
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Shouldn't they hire Chief Illiniwek then?
No, but they should change their mascot to "The Crooked Politician", since they evidently were responsible for many of the admissions decisions and tuition waivers that were given out by the University.
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From the press conference, it seems like he is kinda pissed off with MU in general. I was a little thrown back when he referenced MUScoop and two people cheering on the trip back from NYC. First off, how are talking about teaching your kids to live in this bubble and block the noise when he isn't. Why is he dogging the fan base? Even if the fan base sucks, you keep that in house like everyone else. Every coach/player says that they have the best fan base in the world even if they know it's not true.
We are a D1 program that has a decent amount of fans are for following the program. Having critical fans is par for the course. I love Buzz as our coach but I think he needs to lighten up with that all. I hope he can move on and continue coaching for MU.
He's stressed out and lacking for sleep. Gotta give a guy a break for being a little cranky about stuff from time to time during the most stressful time of the year.
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I heard him say everybody jumped off the bus after the MSG game but did he really reference MUScoop?
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Pilarz has Rick Majerus waiting in the wings.
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No heads will roll?
When the money from the games goes down with lower attendance and lower season ticket numbers and this would happen, someone will have to be held accountable. Hey, I'm not an alum or an insider, but when a former player from 55 years ago tells me that if Buzz leaves because there are conflicts with the new administration, he will no longer buy season tickets and will cease contributing to the university, there will be problems and he's not the only alum that has told me that.
Just look at the Wake Forest situation right now. They were down to 8,500 for average home attendance this year from 13,500 a few short years ago. Money is going to be an issue going forward with that program as alums and boosters are not happy and the newcomers in this administration better understand that if something changes at Marquette.
You can't leave out of the equation the effect that a successful men's basketball program has on admissions through the free publicity that a successful team generates.
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If Buzz were to go because of a conflict with the new administration, I would become a UW-M fan. Well maybe not a UW-M fan, but probably would stop buying season tickets / donating and start following the team Buzz would leave to.
If this is true, MU is shooting themselves in the foot and would be losing an awesome coach, recruiter, representative of the university and person.
It better not happen this way.
Buzz has had his balls squeezed since the assault. Do not care who believes me or not but there is smoke and i am very worried. MU brass made if tough on Buzz and this was not a secret in certain circles. The buyout means nothing if MU wants Buzz to go....theban take whatever they want.
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Lances.....at least Goose does not have his head in the sand. Unless it is a post that blows smoke up your ass the poster in wrong. If anyone find posts that have not been highly positive regarding Buzz from me I would gladly say I was wrong. Just because I love Buzz and style of play does not mean I will hide from negatives that might be out there.
MU brass is far from perfect in decision making and my posts were and are meant to let fans who care know things might not be as great they look. If MU blows this thing and loses Buzz I will blame the fans like Lances who have not learned from our past.
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He's stressed out and lacking for sleep. Gotta give a guy a break for being a little cranky about stuff from time to time during the most stressful time of the year.
I pray you are right. Because I am a huge Buzz support. If Buzz is not gonna be a lifer, I hope he will be here for another 5-7 years so he can raise a banner.
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He's stressed out and lacking for sleep. Gotta give a guy a break for being a little cranky about stuff from time to time during the most stressful time of the year.
What about that dude who sent Buzz "hate mail"?
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I'm starting to get so paranoid, I'm afraid we're about to lose Dick Strong to Indiana.
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Next year will be crucial.
We need to show much more support for the team as it is a transition year (losing top two scorers in Jae and DJO) with no proven go-to scorer on the perimeter (except Mayo).
We need to root these guys on every game...Buzz's questioning of MU fans criticizing Junior almost felt like he thinks the fans were questioning him as well.
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I love Majerus big time but if the first time here was wrong time this would be worse. Our program is on the verge of being special and Buzz is the reason. Rick does not recruit at a high level and is on backside of his career. Trust me this is coming from a fan that loves Rick and wish he had three other times over the past 30 years.
If Buzz leaves now it goes to show basketball is not important to the school. There are many out here that has the bar set at such low level and MU brass knows it. I have family members who would be excited if MU had a SLU run this year. Give me a break....let's be special.
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Lances.....at least Goose does not have his head in the sand. Unless it is a post that blows smoke up your ass the poster in wrong. If anyone find posts that have not been highly positive regarding Buzz from me I would gladly say I was wrong. Just because I love Buzz and style of play does not mean I will hide from negatives that might be out there.
MU brass is far from perfect in decision making and my posts were and are meant to let fans who care know things might not be as great they look. If MU blows this thing and loses Buzz I will blame the fans like Lances who have not learned from our past.
Lighten up pops, it was a joke.
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Ultimately, Buzz knows fans will criticize during loses no matter what big time school he is at.
Now if he really wants out, it won't mean he can't use fans as an excuse (he could make anything his excuse). Just hope Pilarz and Williams are smart and the Texas job doesn't open up.
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Lances..I really do not think MU making a major mistake is a joke. This has and is an issue and guys like you is why the admin think they can get away with it. They think 13k idiots will buy tickets for crap games regardless of the coach, caliber of team or schedule. We are finally close to being in elite company and because of too many fans thinking S16 is house money is why the school does what it does. They have finger on the pulse of majority of folks in Warrior Nation and being SLU is fine for many.
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Maybe we should all send Coach Buzz nice emails.
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Maybe we should know our program better and not allow things to get out of hand without voices being heard. Trust me that I have been saying this for weeks, even mplied it last year, and everyone said I was stirring the pot. Actually I was hoping someone aside from 4ever might have the balls to question MU admin and the role they want basketball to play at MU.
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Maybe we should all send Coach Buzz nice emails.
It'd be a start. A fine start, in fact. We'd probably all get replies before he went to sleep, too.
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Maybe we should know our program better and not allow things to get out of hand without voices being heard. Trust me that I have been saying this for weeks, even mplied it last year, and everyone said I was stirring the pot. Actually I was hoping someone aside from 4ever might have the balls to question MU admin and the role they want basketball to play at MU.
You still might be stirring the pot. How should we know for sure?
I know a couple people and I haven't even heard rumblings of this. I've heard quite the opposite, actually, that Buzz is pumped to still be at Marquette.
That being said, how should I know what's really true? It's all hearsay until we hear it from Buzz or Corey. I choose to support them and trust them to do what's right. If the Athletic Department chooses to screw this all up then I'll cancel our family's lower level seats in person and give them a piece of my mind. Not much else I can really do at this that I can see.
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is everyone on this board categorically incapable of being happy? we're in the sweet 16 and now everyone's jumping at shadows to say our coach is leaving/being driven out/whatever else nonsense you're coming up with now. come on guys, the sky is not freaking falling.
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Lances.....at least Goose does not have his head in the sand. Unless it is a post that blows smoke up your ass the poster in wrong. If anyone find posts that have not been highly positive regarding Buzz from me I would gladly say I was wrong. Just because I love Buzz and style of play does not mean I will hide from negatives that might be out there.
MU brass is far from perfect in decision making and my posts were and are meant to let fans who care know things might not be as great they look. If MU blows this thing and loses Buzz I will blame the fans like Lances who have not learned from our past.
I don't know what are you referring to but as I mentioned, NO ONE in a program should put any value in message boards. This board maybe represents 10 percent of the fan base.
Moreover, I am a ND football fan and check out their boards. If anyone thinks our meltdowns are bad, go to ND football forums or ANY SEC football forum. I have seen people talking about firing Urban Meyer and, in a SC forum, Pete Carroll. I actually think our board is not THAT bad having exposure to that stuff. If Buzz bolts for irrational fan base reasons, it might be the worst decision because I think other fan bases are much worse.
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"Actually I was hoping someone aside from 4ever might have the balls to question MU admin and the role they want basketball to play at MU."
So what can we do? How can we question MU administration? You think if they want to get rid of Buzz (or would be okay if he left) that anything we said or did now would stop it?
As other posters said - all we can really do is react / cancel season tickets / stop donating...
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Go right ahead and stick your head in the sand. Just sayin'
whatever. If he goes he goes. The dude is making bank in Milwaukee. If its not good enough so be it. That said, sounds like the usual end of the year bs.
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Lances..I really do not think MU making a major mistake is a joke. This has and is an issue and guys like you is why the admin think they can get away with it. They think 13k idiots will buy tickets for crap games regardless of the coach, caliber of team or schedule. We are finally close to being in elite company and because of too many fans thinking S16 is house money is why the school does what it does. They have finger on the pulse of majority of folks in Warrior Nation and being SLU is fine for many.
Generalize much? You don't know me or how I'd react, but yes, calling me a mindless lemming makes sense. You've been beating this drum for a while now, and seem to be relishing in it as some sort of badge of honor. I'm having fun following my favorite team in what has been a fantastic season, not worrying about things completely out of my control, because LancesOtherNut is not being introduced as season tix holder of the game anytime soon.
And again, it was a joke. On a message board. So again, lighten up. And now I'll get off your lawn.
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Skat....if you think I am stirring the pot than you have not read my posts. First of all, I know what I am talking about and not sharing rumors. Secondly, I have been vocal support to Buzz and his program in big time way on this site. The guy gets today's game and it is putting th school in the national spotlight. I have zero interest in stirring the pot, would rather be looking for hotel rooms in New Orleans.
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"Actually I was hoping someone aside from 4ever might have the balls to question MU admin and the role they want basketball to play at MU."
So what can we do? How can we question MU administration? You think if they want to get rid of Buzz (or would be okay if he left) that anything we said or did now would stop it?
As other posters said - all we can really do is react / cancel season tickets / stop donating...
Let's hope they figure it out before this happens....
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If Marquette loses Buzz and it comes out publicly that it was because of clashes w/ the admin, that will get a lot of attention. It would make Marquette look soo bad nationally and the administration will definitely hear it. I mean, what program loses their successful coach not b/c of a bigger job, but b/c of how he was handled by the school. They are arrogant as hell if they think think 13,000+ peoples are walking through that door no matter what.
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No heads will roll?
When the money from the games goes down with lower attendance and lower season ticket numbers and this would happen, someone will have to be held accountable. Hey, I'm not an alum or an insider, but when a former player from 55 years ago tells me that if Buzz leaves because there are conflicts with the new administration, he will no longer buy season tickets and will cease contributing to the university, there will be problems and he's not the only alum that has told me that.
Just look at the Wake Forest situation right now. They were down to 8,500 for average home attendance this year from 13,500 a few short years ago. Money is going to be an issue going forward with that program as alums and boosters are not happy and the newcomers in this administration better understand that if something changes at Marquette.
You are assuming that the basketball program falls apart if he leaves. If they hire someone else who carries on what Buzz is doing, no ones heads will roll.
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Erick...our meltdowns on are fine. The problem I have too many have low standard for success on here. I got bashed and poked at for starting a post saying Dream Big...most on here think we are playing with house money and the school does as well.
I will predict if Buzz leaves MU will chase after Majerus and I think it would be a mistake. For someone reason there is a group of people that prefer to be a good story underdog than an elite program. I have always believed we could be elite again and would hate to quit so close to the finish line.
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You are assuming that the basketball program falls apart if he leaves. If they hire someone else who carries on what Buzz is doing, no ones heads will roll.
I would be offended by the arrogance of this.
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You are assuming that the basketball program falls apart if he leaves. If they hire someone else who carries on what Buzz is doing, no ones heads will roll.
I believe this is wrong. Buzz epitomizes what a coach should be at this institution. And if he leaves because of the administration, what is that going to say to any coach that we try to recruit in his place? Buzz leaving for those reasons will be the death of Marquette's basketball program as we currently know it.
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"You are assuming that the basketball program falls apart if he leaves. If they hire someone else who carries on what Buzz is doing, no ones heads will roll."
Would be hard for the next guy to top Buzz in results and likeability...
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John Groce baby!!!
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You are assuming that the basketball program falls apart if he leaves. If they hire someone else who carries on what Buzz is doing, no ones heads will roll.
That is one huge fat IF.
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You are assuming that the basketball program falls apart if he leaves. If they hire someone else who carries on what Buzz is doing, no ones heads will roll.
I have to tell you that you are wrong on that count. If any of this is true and the Admin is mishandling the situation, then the Warrior fiasco will seem small by comparison. Alums will go ballistic. You don't let one of the hottest coaches in the game walk out the door and expect all will be well. No way that would end well for MU.
If Buzz wants to move on, his decision, that is fine. If the admin is behind it, then its a fiasco.
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If Buzz leaves because his balls were squeezed too hard shame on us. I would strongly suggest everyone hope this is not house money run this year and pull for a trip to NO. If Buzz is gone after this year we will never have a run like this or anything close to this again.
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I'm amazed that the combo of a hack writer in Chicago and Buzz needing a nap led to this. I think you guys need to back off, get a full 8 hours, and look at this again in the light of day.
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Then Pilarz should get kicked out and Cottingham made President.
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Erick...our meltdowns on are fine. The problem I have too many have low standard for success on here. I got bashed and poked at for starting a post saying Dream Big...most on here think we are playing with house money and the school does as well.
I will predict if Buzz leaves MU will chase after Majerus and I think it would be a mistake. For someone reason there is a group of people that prefer to be a good story underdog than an elite program. I have always believed we could be elite again and would hate to quit so close to the finish line.
Goose, maybe your past posts/sources are getting more credible with the Buzz/MU Admin friction, but there is no way on this planet that Majerus would ever be the coach at MU. Never.
This topic is just getting insane.
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Erick...our meltdowns on are fine. The problem I have too many have low standard for success on here. I got bashed and poked at for starting a post saying Dream Big...most on here think we are playing with house money and the school does as well.
I will predict if Buzz leaves MU will chase after Majerus and I think it would be a mistake. For someone reason there is a group of people that prefer to be a good story underdog than an elite program. I have always believed we could be elite again and would hate to quit so close to the finish line.
Really??
Majerus was on the verge of death two years ago. People are that antiquated out there that they'd want to bring him back to be the coach of a program whose decline he contributed to..........yikes.
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Hold on...you are misinterpreting what I mean.
I agree that Buzz would be extremely difficult to replace, and I most certainly don't want to go through that. However, it wouldn't be impossible. The fact is that three of our last four coaches have lead Marquette to the Sweet 16. If Buzz leaves, the MU administration will be given the chance to hire a coach that can maintain what Buzz has done. Their heads would only roll if they can't find that person.
Let me also add....I don't think he's going anywhere.
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I'm amazed that the combo of a hack writer in Chicago and Buzz needing a nap led to this. I think you guys need to back off, get a full 8 hours, and look at this again in the light of day.
That would be so un-MU Scoop-like of us.
(http://londoncognitive.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/panic-button.gif)
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79Warrior...there are plenty of insiders who have bee scared about this happening for a year. The school does think everyone would understand and eat whatever's served to them. Unless you read this post or read my and several other posters posts you never would have known this.
Big daddy was praised for his dozen posts that made everyone happy. MU knows the masses will never know a problem existed or just flat out not believe it.
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I don't know if it's the sexy black get up but Majerus is not looking as fat these days.
And I don't think Majerus would be first on the list by any means. However Majerus has obviously shown he has grown A LOT since his stint at MU before I was born. He's proven to be one of the best in the biz. Not sure why guys are that adamant his name not be spoken. Cuz he wasn't ready 30 years ago? Today he's more than ready. (led Utah to NC championship game,etc.)
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Majerus looked pretty rough. I think he lost weight, but when they did the halftime interviews, he looked in rough shape. He seemed like he was about to pass out in his halftime interview today.
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I don't know if it's the sexy black get up but Majerus is not looking as fat these days.
And I don't think Majerus would be first on the list by any means. However Majerus has obviously shown he has grown A LOT since his stint at MU before I was born. He's proven to be one of the best in the biz. Not sure why guys are that adamant his name not be spoken. Cuz he wasn't ready 30 years ago? Today he's more than ready. (led Utah to NC championship game,etc.)
While black is said to have a "slimming effect", I thought he looked like a walking heart attack. And I like the guy, BTW.
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79Warrior...there are plenty of insiders who have bee scared about this happening for a year. The school does think everyone would understand and eat whatever's served to them. Unless you read this post or read my and several other posters posts you never would have known this.
Big daddy was praised for his dozen posts that made everyone happy. MU knows the masses will never know a problem existed or just flat out not believe it.
Well Goose, the school is full of crap on that one. I will certainly mention to Fr. Pilarz in Phoenix that Buzz needs to be at MU for the long haul unless Buzz himself wants to leave. It will be a huge mistake for MU to assume all would be well with the alums.
In addition, if Buzz is being run out, just who the F would want to come to Milwaukee that would be worth a hoot. Buzz is a big time talent and MU needs to ride the wave.
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Majerus looked pretty rough. I think he lost weight, but when they did the halftime interviews, he looked in rough shape. He seemed like he was about to pass out in his halftime interview today.
Rick needed oxygen just to complete a sentence during the interview.
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I'm amazed that the combo of a hack writer in Chicago and Buzz needing a nap led to this. I think you guys need to back off, get a full 8 hours, and look at this again in the light of day.
This. This thread is shameful and embarrassing. Lucky for some the mods have restraint...if it were my site I'd delete this crap and open up banned camp.
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Rick is awesome coach and is at great spot. My fear is MU creating a great spot here. A less important role on basketball, lesser conference is perfect storm to make us look like SLU. Call me crazy but I think it is part of the master plan. Truthfully only an idiot would know Buzz could not be replaced at this point without a big letdown. If Buzz leaves it is because the school is trying to limit the role team has in the overall picture of the school.
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We are in the Sweet 16 for the second straight year with a real opportunity to continue to advance...and yet people are really stressing about this?
After what happened last year off of the court, the program needed to tighten the screws on what was going on with the team. I'm sure having new faces in the MU admin. helping Buzz enforce these rules can lead to some uncertainty from Buzz's perspective, but I think as each side becomes more accustomed with one another, both sides will benefit.
On top of that, people are questioning the school's commitment to basketball??? Our men's basketball operating budget is continually one of the highest in the country. We pay our head coach 2.8m dollars to coach here. We have one of the finest practice facilities in the country. Do you really believe they want to be some kind of underdog?
Either way, the chicken little crap with some people is laughable. Just try to enjoy the ride, I know Buzz and the team are.
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This. This thread is shameful and embarrassing. Lucky for some the mods have restraint...if it were my site I'd delete this crap and open up banned camp.
Whatever Nazi.
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This. This thread is shameful and embarrassing. Lucky for some the mods have restraint...if it were my site I'd delete this crap and open up banned camp.
I tried to derail it with a joke. But apparently I need to take on more of a #OccupyMarquetteAdmin approach.
/lobs another grenade
Rick is awesome coach and is at great spot. My fear is MU creating a great spot here. A less important role on basketball, lesser conference is perfect storm to make us look like SLU. Call me crazy but I think it is part of the master plan. Truthfully only an idiot would know Buzz could not be replaced at this point without a big letdown. If Buzz leaves it is because the school is trying to limit the role team has in the overall picture of the school.
You're crazy.
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This. This thread is shameful and embarrassing. Lucky for some the mods have restraint...if it were my site I'd delete this crap and open up banned camp.
I concur, this thread is depressing, just shut it down.
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Looks like the ink on my GULLIBLE stamp is about to dry up.
An op-ed from the Sun Times? That's the source you all are relying upon for this conversation? It's a good thing my moron detector is turned off otherwise it would have exploded.
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My last post on topic.....I hope my sources and the newspaper article are completely wrong. Nothing would make me happier than having egg on my face. Fingers crossed that my man Buzz is here for years to come. He is best we have had since Al and really, really fun to watch his style of ball.
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Let's say there are verifiable issues with Buzz and admin, is this really the right time (there's this Sweet 16 thing going on) to have the conversation, especially since we now KNOW Buzz READS the boards? If this is so, then players, recruits, etc. read this. There may be veracity to it all, but the timing is crap. Did you not learn anything from Buzz's comments at the presser???
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I don't even know what this thread is really about anymore but I'm against banning people/threads cause they aren't talking in a unified happy voice/don't rock the boat.
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Rick is awesome coach and is at great spot. My fear is MU creating a great spot here. A less important role on basketball, lesser conference is perfect storm to make us look like SLU. Call me crazy but I think it is part of the master plan. Truthfully only an idiot would know Buzz could not be replaced at this point without a big letdown. If Buzz leaves it is because the school is trying to limit the role team has in the overall picture of the school.
Yes, Majerus is in a good spot. St. Louis, not MU. Will never happen. Never.
Less importance on basketball? The role the team plays? What, are they going to put more into the new lacrosse program.
Master plan?, This is now sounding like a conspiracy, X-Files matter and I am waiting for Chris Hanson from Dateline to walk in the door. Insane......
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Unless Buzz is black and no one knows it, he isn't going to Illinois.
They want a black head coach.
This thread should have ended way back at this post.
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Let's say there are verifiable issues with Buzz and admin, is this really the right time (there's this Sweet 16 thing going on) to have the conversation, especially since we now KNOW Buzz READS the boards? If this is so, then players, recruits, etc. read this. There may be veracity to it all, but the timing is crap. Did you not learn anything from Buzz's comments at the presser???
It is a discussion board about Marquette basketball. No one has said anything inappropriate. These are all comments on something that was stated in an article.
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You are assuming that the basketball program falls apart if he leaves. If they hire someone else who carries on what Buzz is doing, no ones heads will roll.
Huh? Why take this chance? We've got the guy we need. Let's not eff this up for chrissakes!!
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Huh? Why take this chance? We've got the guy we need. Let's not eff this up for chrissakes!!
Read my follow up please....
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We will know nothing until the season is over and the coaching carousel is fired up and is turning. Anything in this coaching world is possible.
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Wasn't there. Meaning?
4 ever, can you amplify for the rest of us? Thanks.
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Seriously, where's Alan Funt?
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The Bar-B-Q coincided with Cottingham falling on his sword. During the Q and A, Buzz really couldn't say anything and appeared uncomfortable with the entire situation. Some have surmised he was disappointed that a job was lost over the alleged incident.
You don't want to mess with happy.
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The speculation should have ended with the $100k buyout talk. What is the point of even having one for those pennies? And if anyone on the BOT thinks a proabortion near retirement coach is the answer for the program then they are insane. As many people hate Rick as like him. That said, the new regime hasn't been making a lot of warm friends.
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I started this post with just the facts, ma'am. I figured there would be some response, but wow!
My 5 cents:
1. Hard to believe Buzz would leave for Illinois. One could argue objectively that it's not a better job. They almost certainly wouldn't pay more, and their facilities blow. Their fan base is far whinier than ours -- and we can be pretty whiny. Many wanted Weber fired 6 games into his first season there; I am not making that up. Izzo ripped Illinois for having a toxic atmosphere for its head basketball coach. This is better than Marquette how?
2. Hard to believe Illinois higher-ups have locked themselves into "We have to hire a black coach." You just don't do that. There's no plus in limiting yourself this way.
3. With very few exceptions, coaches leave programs -- even "destination" programs. Roy Williams left Kansas, Coach K and Izzo seriously considered leaving for the pros, Pitino left Kentucky, Kruger and Self both left Illinois, and so on. It's human nature to wonder if the grass is greener elsewhere. It would suck if Buzz leaves, for whatever the reason, but life will go on. Hopefully, we'll hire the next Buzz -- or at least the next Crean. If you think any decent candidate would be turned off by Buzz leaving, you don't understand human nature. There couldn't have been a worse situation to go to than Indiana, yet Crean jumped. Why? Because he thought he could fix it. Why do guys salivate for the chance to manage the Cubs? Because each guy thinks he and he alone will be the one guy to fix a franchise that has been broken for 100-plus years. Again, I very much hope Buzz stays for years and years, but I will be neither shocked nor devastated if he goes because that's what coaches do. Buzz also is smart enough to know that if he ever has two or three down years, fans will forget what the word "loyalty" means and scream that he should go. Loyalty is never a two-way street, and smart coaches know it.
4. The folks calling for this thread to be shut down ... please. It's a fan-chat site. Its entire purpose is to encourage fans to chat about subjects that interest them. So we should shut down talk about interesting subjects if some don't like the subjects? What is this, China? If you don't like a thread, you are free to move along to one more to your liking. Maybe Vander isn't slapping five with teammates again or it's time to get a new point guard or our crowds aren't good enough.
5. I am able to enjoy this season immensely and dream about a run for the title even as I contemplate other subjects. I trust most others also can walk and chew gum at the same time, too. Fans on a chat site do not have the power to force a team to lose focus on the task at hand.
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This thread is really stupid.... Spoke to both Pilarz and L. Williams this weekend and people in advancement. They all seem to understand what we all know, that is how important to MU Buzz is
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But Goose and 4neveridiot know more....
Thanks canadian dimes!
This thread is really stupid.... Spoke to both Pilarz and L. Williams this weekend and people in advancement. They all seem to understand what we all know, that is how important to MU Buzz is
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We have a game this week and an outside chance to win the national championship. Let's all keep our eyes on the ball.
My team is on the floor!
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The Bar-B-Q coincided with Cottingham falling on his sword. During the Q and A, Buzz really couldn't say anything and appeared uncomfortable with the entire situation. Some have surmised he was disappointed that a job was lost over the alleged incident.
You don't want to mess with happy.
With all do respect, that's a little vague. There's a lot of reasons he would be uncomfortable answering questions about it. Just the situation of having people asking questions without legally being able to go into stuff makes it an uncomfortable feeling. Look at any press conference when a coach can't go into details or Braun as a recent example. Also, it was a very sensitive situation and he should probably feel uncomfortable with what happened (I don't know what happened, but if I were accused of anything, I'd feel a little uncomfortable talking about it regardless if I did anything wrong or not). I don't think that means that there is some divide in the athletic department.
Now there may be other reasons and you may have sources, just my thoughts on this BBQ topic.
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This thread is really stupid.... Spoke to both Pilarz and L. Williams this weekend and people in advancement. They all seem to understand what we all know, that is how important to MU Buzz is
this. enough with the sewing circle gossip...
sweet 16 game on thurs against a tough team btw, let's enjoy it! we can speculate on rumors AFTER the season is over (on april 3rd..)
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is everyone on this board categorically incapable of being happy? we're in the sweet 16 and now everyone's jumping at shadows to say our coach is leaving/being driven out/whatever else nonsense you're coming up with now. come on guys, the sky is not freaking falling.
+10000000000000000000
Holy f***ing Christ. Apparently an article that was F***ING MADE UP by some low-life hack for the Sun Times, combined with the feverish, foil-hat wearing conjecture of a few posters has resulted in this board completely losing its collective f***ing mind--6 PAGES ALREADY on this pigs***?!
Buzz is going nowhere. And if he did, based on the reasons speculated here, then he is the thinnest-skinned, egomaniacal person alive--that's pretty much why I'm 1000% sure he isn't going anywhere. Also, hiring Majerus is so laugh-out-loud absurd, it shouldn't have even warranted a response.
I'm DONE with this STUPID, UNPRODUCTIVE HORSES***. There's a game Thursday, and Marquette has a chance to get to the Elite 8 and Final Four. That is awesome. THIS THREAD IS NOT.
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2. Hard to believe Illinois higher-ups have locked themselves into "We have to hire a black coach." You just don't do that. There's no plus in limiting yourself this way.
It's the boosters who feel this way and, for better or worse, their opinion counts for a lot.
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+10000000000000000000
Holy f***ing Christ. Apparently an article that was F***ING MADE UP by some low-life hack for the Sun Times, combined with the feverish, foil-hat wearing conjecture of a few posters has resulted in this board completely losing its collective f***ing mind--6 PAGES ALREADY on this pigs***?!
Buzz is going nowhere. And if he did, based on the reasons speculated here, then he is the thinnest-skinned, egomaniacal person alive--that's pretty much why I'm 1000% sure he isn't going anywhere. Also, hiring Majerus is so laugh-out-loud absurd, it shouldn't have even warranted a response.
I'm DONE with this STUPID, UNPRODUCTIVE HORSES***. There's a game Thursday, and Marquette has a chance to get to the Elite 8 and Final Four. That is awesome. THIS THREAD IS NOT.
amen. STFU on this garbage and move on to talking about a REAL GAME!
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Don't you guys realize the kind of people who float this poisonous stuff to bloggers are Internet posters? It's not Buzz Williams people.
Who would contact a Chicago Sun Times blogger with this crap? This is a a non story.
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Was there previous discrimination at Illinois that is in need of correction?
A couple black trustees were upset that a black coach was not hired to replace ron zook, the football coach who was fired after this past season. If they don't hire a black basketball coach it could get ugly.
When Zook was fired, university trustee James Montgomery said Friday that he'd hoped the school would hire its first black head football coach.
"I'd hoped we would make a little history," said Montgomery, who is black.
The field of reported candidates included at least one black coach, highly sought-after Houston coach Kevin Sumlin.
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Obviously it's not a done deal yet, but Steve Lavin did say that Shaka Smart was headed to Illinois yesterday. Are his sources accurate? Who knows, but it's got Illini nation giddy.
http://www.illinoisloyalty.com/Forums/showthread.php?p=542430
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I have little concern about Buzz going to Illinois. I have concern about Buzz being happy here and hope he is for long time.
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Obviously it's not a done deal yet, but Steve Lavin did say that Shaka Smart was headed to Illinois yesterday. Are his sources accurate? Who knows, but it's got Illini nation giddy.
http://www.illinoisloyalty.com/Forums/showthread.php?p=542430
I really like Shaka, last year figured maybe a new coach got lucky with players recruited by another coach...ala what people could have said about Buzz in 2009.
But with what VCU did this year ...I think Shaka is bona fide. He like Buzz seems like simply a genuine guy , great for a program , doing things the right way for the right reasons. Easy to root for guys like shaka. Still think MU has the best in the country tho...
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Obviously it's not a done deal yet, but Steve Lavin did say that Shaka Smart was headed to Illinois yesterday. Are his sources accurate? Who knows, but it's got Illini nation giddy.
http://www.illinoisloyalty.com/Forums/showthread.php?p=542430
I always had Shaka pegged to take over for Bo Ryan.
The nepotists in Madison like to "promote from within," so when Bo eventually retires, his replacement will either be a dash coach (Jeter), a legacy (Bennett), or a native cheesehead (Smart). But I also think the same push to hire a minority coach is going to play at UW as it is at U of I... which means Bennett is out. Since Jeter hasn't been anything more than mediocre at UW-M, I can't see that happening unless he either turns UW-M around or UW has a string of a few bad years (thus rationalizing a "rebuilding" hire).
None of this is to say that Smart wouldn't take the U of I job to bridge the gap between now and Bo's immolation, but how often do you see coaches switching jobs within the same major conference (without a KSU stopover)? I'm sure the feelers from behind the red curtain have already been dispatched to Shaka's camp, so it's got to be in the back of his mind somewhere... to me, whether or not he takes the U of I job is going to speak volumes about his desire to ever coach UW.
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None of this is to say that Smart wouldn't take the U of I job to bridge the gap between now and Bo's immolation, but how often do you see coaches switching jobs within the same major conference (without a KSU stopover)? I'm sure the feelers from behind the red curtain have already been dispatched to Shaka's camp, so it's got to be in the back of his mind somewhere... to me, whether or not he takes the U of I job is going to speak volumes about his desire to ever coach UW.
Madison native or not, Shaka knows that Illinois is a better coaching job than Wisconsin, especially if he can recruit Chicago.
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I know I responded to the Shaka stuff...
But a plea to this board...plz no more replies so this thread can be buried where it belongs...
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I have little concern about Buzz going to Illinois. I have concern about Buzz being happy here and hope he is for long time.
I agree Goose. I watch Buzz with his family, Buzz with his players and Buzz with the MU administration. He is NOT a high maintainance guy. Making him happy is not complicated. He IS a guy who demands committment and greatly appreciates any support that comes his way. He turned down big offers last year to "not mess with happy". He's the same guy he was a year ago. Larry William's most important job right now is to make sure Buzz is happy. I don't give a cr*p about how the lacrosse team does next year. If Larry Williams can't keep one of the best young coaches in the country and a fantastic representative of the university happy, he's a failure before he gets started. Ditto for Fr Pilarz. Sincerely hope that they are all on the same page and all this talk is just that.
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Buzz is a different kind of cat.
Part genius, part rain-man. He's refreshing because he's honest and a bit of a loose cannon... he's a bit scary because he's so honest and a bit of a loose cannon.
He could be at MU for 20 years, or another 20min. Anybody who thinks they can predict either with any certainty is fooling themselves. I don't even think he knows.
I like his eccentric style, and I hope he stays a long time.
Oh, and if he does leave, I find it interesting that a lot of people are already pinning it on the administration. I like Buzz a lot, but if he leaves, I'm not automatically willing to blame the administration.
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Can the panicky panickers ease up on the panic now?
http://www.suntimes.com/11396707-417/source-illinois-determined-to-land-shaka-smart-as-next-coach.html
Source: Illinois determined to land Shaka Smart as next coach
BY HERB GOULD Twitter: @HerbGould March 19, 2012 12:08PM
Updated: March 19, 2012 12:32PM
Convinced he needs to get Shaka Smart, Illinois athletic director Mike Thomas is making a no-holds-barred run at the Virginia Commonwealth coach, a source close to the negotiations told the Chicago Sun-Times on Monday.
Smart has shown solid interest, and money will not be a stumbling block, said the source, who has talked to two people involved in the talks.
``They’re going to make damn sure they don’t let him get away,’’ the source said.
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Hmmm. Didn't even know Shaka was black!
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But that one anonymous guy posting on here said he had some anonymous sources saying otherwise. I say we go with that guy.
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Hmmm. Didn't even know Shaka was black!
Get this racist crap out of here.
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But that one anonymous guy posting on here said he had some made up some anonymous sources saying otherwise. I say we go with that guy.
Fixed.
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I'm predicting that J. Parker, Nunn and Buzz are a package deal for Illinois.
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I'm predicting that J. Parker, Nunn and Buzz are a package deal for Illinois.
Where the hell did that come from?
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Where the hell did that come from?
"Sources"
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"Sources"
Does everyone have sources except me? Oh wait, Muscoop is my "source". Info I can trust. Always.
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Does everyone have sources except me? Oh wait, Muscoop is my "source". Info I can trust. Always.
Exactly! Why would the internet lie to you?
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Exactly! Why would the internet lie to you?
That's why my source is Wikipedia! ;)
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I don't know if it's the sexy black get up but Majerus is not looking as fat these days.
And I don't think Majerus would be first on the list by any means. However Majerus has obviously shown he has grown A LOT since his stint at MU before I was born. He's proven to be one of the best in the biz. Not sure why guys are that adamant his name not be spoken. Cuz he wasn't ready 30 years ago? Today he's more than ready. (led Utah to NC championship game,etc.)
He couldn't recruit well enough for Marquette 30 years ago, and he still can't recruit now. His best player at SLU, was a guy from Milwaukee, Kwamain Mitchell, that most programs wouldn't touch, and who ended up suspended for a year over an alleged sexual assault. Larry Williams is definitely gonna want to jump all over that. He only has enough players to field a team because he's gone to Australia and New Zealand to recruit when hardly anyone else was.