Ben Steele too

[Mu8891]

I could not get the link to attach

But, JS just posted a piece about mu
and the problems WOJO is having

I’m sure Lovell and Scholl were just hoping no one would notice how bad things are.  Guess that’s not working out too well

[Silkk the Shaka]

LOL

Starting to feel kinda bad for the guy on a personal level, but a change is so obviously needed on all sides. I hope he can get himself a soft parachute landing like Ricky P Jr. and wish him the best of luck in his career.

[panda]

LOL

Starting to feel kinda bad for the guy on a personal level, but a change is so obviously needed on all sides. I hope he can get himself a soft parachute landing like Ricky P Jr. and wish him the best of luck in his career.

I felt bad for him for about a second and then realized he's probably made close to $10 million during his time at MU. I stopped feeling bad very quickly.

[JimsTimeOutFan]

I also feel kinda bad for him.  I didn't love that billboard for that reason. Public shaming is probably not necessary. Admin should take mercy on him and end it! then again, why feel bad for someone who is going to likely earn more than most Americans do in a year to not coach a sport....On a personal level i wish him no ill will

[GoldenWarrior11]

Frankly, I'd be surprised if Wojo lasts the weekend.  I'm sure they are internally discussing a way of cordially separating, however that looks like.  Perhaps a mutual parting of ways, where Wojo accepts a reduced buyout.  He gets a nice parachute, the school is off the hook for for money that it thought it would, and the school can be free to hire a new head coach and staff (maybe even backload it to offset the upfront cost of paying for a buyout). 

Still sad.  MUBB should never have come to this point.  But we have, and now changes need to be made.

[Silent Verbal]

why feel bad for someone who is going to likely earn more than most Americans do in a year to not coach a sport

I think you meant “a lifetime”.  Or multiple lifetimes, if his buyout’s $6 million.

[StillAWarrior]

Frankly, I'd be surprised if Wojo lasts the weekend.  I'm sure they are internally discussing a way of cordially separating, however that looks like.  Perhaps a mutual parting of ways, where Wojo accepts a reduced buyout.  He gets a nice parachute, the school is off the hook for for money that it thought it would, and the school can be free to hire a new head coach and staff (maybe even backload it to offset the upfront cost of paying for a buyout). 

Still sad.  MUBB should never have come to this point.  But we have, and now changes need to be made.

Why in the world would Wojo do that?

[CountryRoads]

At this point, I feel bad for Wojo as there is nothing that he can do about it. The ball is in the Admin’s court. They either need to fire Wojo or come out and publicly support him (at which point the anger can be directed toward them).

[cheebs09]

Frankly, I'd be surprised if Wojo lasts the weekend.  I'm sure they are internally discussing a way of cordially separating, however that looks like.  Perhaps a mutual parting of ways, where Wojo accepts a reduced buyout.  He gets a nice parachute, the school is off the hook for for money that it thought it would, and the school can be free to hire a new head coach and staff (maybe even backload it to offset the upfront cost of paying for a buyout). 

Still sad.  MUBB should never have come to this point.  But we have, and now changes need to be made.

I would be surprised. What reason would Wojo have to take less money? He’s got a contract and seems willing to coach for MU. Unless he really wants out, I see him trying to win next year and use that for a better job to stick it to fans on the way out.

[Uncle Rico]

Frankly, I'd be surprised if Wojo lasts the weekend.  I'm sure they are internally discussing a way of cordially separating, however that looks like.  Perhaps a mutual parting of ways, where Wojo accepts a reduced buyout.  He gets a nice parachute, the school is off the hook for for money that it thought it would, and the school can be free to hire a new head coach and staff (maybe even backload it to offset the upfront cost of paying for a buyout). 

Still sad.  MUBB should never have come to this point.  But we have, and now changes need to be made.

These guys aren’t wired like that.  That would be akin to quitting

[Hards Alumni]

Frankly, I'd be surprised if Wojo lasts the weekend.  I'm sure they are internally discussing a way of cordially separating, however that looks like.  Perhaps a mutual parting of ways, where Wojo accepts a reduced buyout.  He gets a nice parachute, the school is off the hook for for money that it thought it would, and the school can be free to hire a new head coach and staff (maybe even backload it to offset the upfront cost of paying for a buyout). 

Still sad.  MUBB should never have come to this point.  But we have, and now changes need to be made.

No chance Marquette fires Wojo without having a coach lined up.  Zero.  So it won't be for a few weeks if it happens.... unless the replacement is available earlier.

[Uncle Rico]

No chance Marquette fires Wojo without having a coach lined up.  Zero.  So it won't be for a few weeks if it happens.... unless the replacement is available earlier.

Brian Wardle is free

[connie]

Brian Wardle is free

What is a step beyond teal?

[willie warrior]

Brian Wardle is free

A ringing endorsement for Wardle!

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I also feel kinda bad for him.  I didn't love that billboard for that reason. Public shaming is probably not necessary. Admin should take mercy on him and end it! then again, why feel bad for someone who is going to likely earn more than most Americans do in a year to not coach a sport....On a personal level i wish him no ill will

Wait did someone make a fire wojo billboard? 

[Mu8891]

I would ( almost ) feel bad for him
Except for the MILLIONS of dollars

I really think the Admin was / is clueless.

But now it’s all out in the open.  No
One ( except Dodds ) buys the Covid
Excuse

Lots of other P6 schools are firing guys and moving on ... the coaching carousel is on full steam

( TJ leaves UNLV to go to ISU ... so now UNLV is open )
Indiana... MINN ... BC... etc etc

How can this possibly end well ?

[Dr. Blackheart]

A ringing endorsement for Wardle!

A green Wardle Woody

[Uncle Rico]

A green Wardle Woody

I send the green horse to run him over before any interview

[Pakuni]

Brian Wardle is free

[WarriorPride68]

Frankly, I'd be surprised if Wojo lasts the weekend.

Your assuming this athletic department actually cares

[DienerTime34]

Your assuming this athletic department actually cares

Ding ding ding. Plus Lovell really likes Wojo. Their tenures are likely tied together.

[Uncle Rico]

If you like terrible basketball and even worse offense, you can’t do much worse than BW

[panda]

Your assuming this athletic department actually cares

They had a really tough year...Although they didn’t say it would be tough until after the season when they fell short of every pre season metric set out.

And they wouldn’t be complaining about the tough year if they actually played well....

But they had a really tough year and it definitely doesn’t count.

[willie warrior]

If you like terrible basketball and even worse offense, you can’t do much worse than BW

Is that why you continue to excuse Wojo-Dukiets mediocrity? Fear of another usurping the power of your King?

[Uncle Rico]

Is that why you continue to excuse Wojo-Dukiets mediocrity? Fear of another usurping the power of your King?

I don’t.  Brian Wardle is not a good coach.  Replacing one bad coach with another one is pretty stupid

[#UnleashSean]

I don’t.  Brian Wardle is not a good coach.  Replacing one bad coach with another one is pretty stupid

Strange take as wardle has made every program he's taken over better.

[Uncle Rico]

Strange take as wardle has made every program he's taken over better.

If Brian Wardle graduated from UMass instead of Marquette, no one on scoop would have them anywhere near their list of top candidates.  He’s had one winning record in league play in 6 years in the Missouri Valley.  The league isn’t nearly as strong as it was a decade ago

[panda]

If Brian Wardle graduated from UMass instead of Marquette, no one on scoop would have them anywhere near their list of top candidates.  He’s had one winning record in league play in 6 years in the Missouri Valley.  The league isn’t nearly as strong as it was a decade ago

The Marquette connection helps but it doesn’t move the needle after the season he had.

To play devils advocate, a career assistant at one school shouldn’t ever be mentioned for a big time job like MU. Or earn him seven years of leeway with poor results.

Wardle has done more to prove his worth than Wojo ever did.

[Uncle Rico]

The Marquette connection helps but it doesn’t move the needle after the season he had.

To play devils advocate, a career assistant at one school shouldn’t ever be mentioned for a big time job like MU. Or earn him seven years of leeway with poor results.

Wardle has done more to prove his worth than Wojo ever did.

I don’t have a problem with that argument and it would be my hope the next hire isn’t an assistant off a staff

[panda]

I don’t have a problem with that argument and it would be my hope the next hire isn’t an assistant off a staff

Totally agree. Just playing devils advocate

[Uncle Rico]

Totally agree. Just playing devils advocate

I don’t think there’s a correct recipe for hiring a coach.  Maybe an assistant would be great.  It worked with Tom Crean but the past decade, the results haven’t been great.  Wojo, Chris Collins, Orlando Antigua, Ricky Ray, Mike Hopkins and Danny Manning at Tulsa have been a mixed bag at best (not counting mid-majors).

My preference would be a proven mid-major winner barring the unicorn hire

[willie warrior]

The Marquette connection helps but it doesn’t move the needle after the season he had.

To play devils advocate, a career assistant at one school shouldn’t ever be mentioned for a big time job like MU. Or earn him seven years of leeway with poor results.

Wardle has done more to prove his worth than Wojo ever did.

Well MU did not do too bad with career assistants(at the time of hire) with O'Neil and Crean, but it is a good point. Wardle would likely do a lot better if he had the resources that Wojo-Dukiet has had. But the school should do a thorough search. Question is: Do they have the gonads?

[panda]

Well MU did not do too bad with career assistants(at the time of hire) with O'Neil and Crean, but it is a good point. Wardle would likely do a lot better if he had the resources that Wojo-Dukiet has had. But the school should do a thorough search. Question is: Do they have the gonads?

Short answer - No.

[bilsu]

Well MU did not do too bad with career assistants(at the time of hire) with O'Neil and Crean, but it is a good point. Wardle would likely do a lot better if he had the resources that Wojo-Dukiet has had. But the school should do a thorough search. Question is: Do they have the gonads?

It is all about recruiting and I really doubt Wardle can recruit at the level needed to be competitive in the Big East.

[GoldenWarrior11]

Why in the world would Wojo do that?

Because a coach that breaks the rules and wins will always get hired before a coach that loses, and Wojo, today, has that stigma.  Casual fans now associate him with losing.

He would accept a lower buyout, in theory - say $4 million - to live to fight another day.  If he comes back again and loses next year, he will be hard pressed to find another high major to major job in the country.

[willie warrior]

It is all about recruiting and I really doubt Wardle can recruit at the level needed to be competitive in the Big East.

How has tht worked out for Wojo-Dukiet?

[Pakuni]

Well MU did not do too bad with career assistants(at the time of hire) with O'Neil and Crean, but it is a good point. Wardle would likely do a lot better if he had the resources that Wojo-Dukiet has had. But the school should do a thorough search. Question is: Do they have the gonads?

Bradley's Missouri Valley finishes under Wardle:
9th
6th
5th
3rd
8th
Cumulative record: 41-52.
I mean, if we want to dump Wojo for a sub-.500 Big East record, does it make sense to replace him with a guy that has one season above .500 in the Valley?

[naginiF]

Bradley's Missouri Valley finishes under Wardle:
9th
6th
5th
3rd
8th
Cumulative record: 41-52.
I mean, if we want to dump Wojo for a sub-.500 Big East record, does it make sense to replace him with a guy that has one season above .500 in the Valley?

I think if he had the resources available to him that Marquette does he'd be well above .500 in the Missouri Valley

[Uncle Rico]

I think if he had the resources available to him that Marquette does he'd be well above .500 in the Missouri Valley

Good coaches don’t need excuses.  They find a way to win.  Overcoming adversity and obstacles ought to be prioritized not dismissed based on “well, he lacked resources”.

[naginiF]

Good coaches don’t need excuses.  They find a way to win.  Overcoming adversity and obstacles ought to be prioritized not dismissed based on “well, he lacked resources”.

I was being facetious. 

[Uncle Rico]

I was being facetious.

My apologies

[Knight Commission]

Wait did someone make a fire wojo billboard?

nm

[brewcity77]

Bradley's Missouri Valley finishes under Wardle:
9th
6th
5th
3rd
8th
Cumulative record: 41-52.
I mean, if we want to dump Wojo for a sub-.500 Big East record, does it make sense to replace him with a guy that has one season above .500 in the Valley?

9/6/5/3 with a couple tournament titles looked good coming into this year. This year, far less enticing. I like the idea of Wardle being there if we really need him, but he's not at the top of my lists.

[Pakuni]

9/6/5/3 with a couple tournament titles looked good coming into this year. This year, far less enticing. I like the idea of Wardle being there if we really need him, but he's not at the top of my lists.

Wardle inherited a mess, so a mulligan on his first season is fair.
After that, third place is his best finish over five seasons in a mid-major conference. We want to fire a coach for better results than he's produced in the Valley
Good for him they got hot and won their tourney, but that's a terrible way to analyze a coach vs full season results.
And on top of all that, he's a twat.

[JWags85]

Well MU did not do too bad with career assistants(at the time of hire) with O'Neil and Crean, but it is a good point. Wardle would likely do a lot better if he had the resources that Wojo-Dukiet has had. But the school should do a thorough search. Question is: Do they have the gonads?

To be fair, KO had been a HC multiple times. 10 years into his career when he came to Marquette, half had been as a HC at HS, CC, and NAIA level before being a D1 assistant pushed him into overdrive

[Viper]

To be fair, KO had been a HC multiple times. 10 years into his career when he came to Marquette, half had been as a HC at HS, CC, and NAIA level before being a D1 assistant pushed him into overdrive

MU needed to pay KO. They offered him sh!t after he took a train wreck to the S16. Could have avoided the sunglassed weirdo altogether and probably reached a E8 or F4. Oh well, what comes around goes around. btw, both KO and Deane were hilarious at the 100yrs party. Actually, Wojo was ok too.

[willie warrior]

Good coaches don’t need excuses.  They find a way to win.  Overcoming adversity and obstacles ought to be prioritized not dismissed based on “well, he lacked resources”.

Then why have you been offering excuses for Wojo-Dukiet? Guess maybe because he is not a good coach.

[Uncle Rico]

Then why have you been offering excuses for Wojo-Dukiet? Guess maybe because he is not a good coach.

I said he should go.  Wardle has been at Bradley for 6 years.  He’s had one winning year.  He inherited a mess but has plateaued.  That’s not a guy that’s going to come to Marquette and do any better.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Note to Administration
How about predicating buyouts on performance? The better you did the higher the severance?
Time to be prudent with MU funds

[Hards Alumni]

Note to Administration
How about predicating buyouts on performance? The better you did the higher the severance?
Time to be prudent with MU funds

You don't understand how buyouts work.

[The Equalizer]

I think if he had the resources available to him that Marquette does he'd be well above .500 in the Missouri Valley

Except he wouldn't be in the Missouri Valley.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

MU needed to pay KO. They offered him sh!t after he took a train wreck to the S16. Could have avoided the sunglassed weirdo altogether and probably reached a E8 or F4. Oh well, what comes around goes around. btw, both KO and Deane were hilarious at the 100yrs party. Actually, Wojo was ok too.

KO may be the most important coach in Marquette history. Not best, but most important just based on the timing of everything.

[shoothoops]

9/6/5/3 with a couple tournament titles looked good coming into this year. This year, far less enticing. I like the idea of Wardle being there if we really need him, but he's not at the top of my lists.

9,6,5,3,8.
or
5,1,1,2,1.

In the past on this board there were quite a few people that had mentioned Wardle. It's been less now in more recent times. Some of these same people were less interested in the coach that did the bottom list of numbers here, in the same, league, at the same time. It was and is strange to me.

To be clear, I am not advocating for either one. It was always a bizarre thing to me that some had and perhaps still have Wardle on a list but not the other.

[burger]

Porter Moser is the coach we should want......Majerus ties.....Done more with little.....A coach that teaches defense.....Even if takes a few years to get the recruiting going.....He will find a way to get us to the NCAA's.....

Wojo and his teams are just "soft"......

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Scholl would need to figure out what attributes he wants from a head coach, and recruit to those attributes.  Where two coaches finished in the same conference is part of that, but hardly the whole story.

For instance, I would love someone like Nate Oats.  His use of analytics.  The pace at which they play.  The interchangeable parts.  I think that's how you win in college basketball these days.  Figure out who is doing that now, and who fits the Marquette culture, and that is the guy I want.  (So yeah, I would love Oats, but that's likely not happening.)

[GoldenWarrior11]

Frankly, I'd be surprised if Wojo lasts the weekend.  I'm sure they are internally discussing a way of cordially separating, however that looks like.  Perhaps a mutual parting of ways, where Wojo accepts a reduced buyout.  He gets a nice parachute, the school is off the hook for for money that it thought it would, and the school can be free to hire a new head coach and staff (maybe even backload it to offset the upfront cost of paying for a buyout). 

Still sad.  MUBB should never have come to this point.  But we have, and now changes need to be made.

Like I said.  I was going to be surprised if Wojo lasted the weekend.  Too much momentum in recent days to force a change.