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Whoa! I thought you only knew how to use a microphone!?
You know we don't pay by the word, right?
You realize this is only going to change the narrative from "Can't win big games" to "Isn't prepared for big games". That will result in the hypothesis that Wojo has lost more games by 10+ points than any coach in recent history....
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics". A very meaningful quote that statisticians appreciate. Statistics, when applied properly are helpful. Otherwise ... As a side we paid someone $2,000,000/year to learn on the job. So after six years how is the return on that $12,000,000 investment? Sounds like folks are satisfied because Wojo is improving based on your measures. Given this insight how many more years before we become a top contender or are we there already? I prefer not to lower the bar.
Wow, Phil, that was some post! Lotsa interesting stats and eye-opening data. Thanks for taking the time to compile all of that.Your conclusion included the following:We can argue all we want about Wojo’s mistakes, his failures, and his lack of public persona but what I don’t think we can argue is that Wojo is getting better every year as a coach. I have no doubt that some of that is due to improving talent on the roster, but if Wojo isn’t responsible for that I don’t know who is.A few things ...1. Many Scoopers would argue quite forcefully that Wojo is NOT getting better every year as a coach. They'd be wrong because the facts say otherwise, but that wouldn't stop them from arguing it.2. Many Scoopers would claim that Stan or Killings or anybody except Wojo is responsible for the talent on the roster. These folks don't even like to acknowledge that Wojo is responsible for Stan and the other assistants being at Marquette.3. Any statistics suggesting that Wojo has done a good job in clutch situations fail the "eye test." And, of course, any eye test suggesting that Wojo has done a good job fails some set of stats that Nojos can cherry-pick. So nice try, Phil!4. (BONUS) Of the numerous players who have improved, many Scoopers contend it has happened despite Wojo - the players already were gifted and/or they were just making the kind of logical, gradual progress any player would make under any coach; for those who haven't improved much, it's 100% on Wojo.Although I obviously wish we would win more, and you obviously wish we would win more, we both are relatively optimistic and patient.Therefore, we are doomed to get shouted down by the "Wojo must go!" faction. But that's life on interwebs fan sites.
You know, even though I "lean Projo" (and it appears you don't), I find this comment very reasonable. If the college football coach recruits only bad QBs, and the QB plays badly, whose fault is it? Often, the QB gets crapped on, but it's really on the coach.Similarly, if Wojo really does suck, as many Scoopers believe, that's largely on those who brought him in and who continue to support him.Now, of course, it doesn't acknowledge the relative lack of spectacularosity of the others who were available at the time - Mrs. Shaka's husband, UCLA retread Howland, stepping-stoner Cuonzo, and the like - but it's a reasonable point to suggest that MU has not gotten a wonderful investment on its millions. MU hired a guy who, by definition (because he had never been a head coach at any level), would have to learn on the job. That's not on Wojo, it's on his bosses.
The team and Wojo are flawed, is all hope lost?http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2020/02/the-grand-unified-theory-of-wojoor-why.html
I agree with your comments. Wojo and Buzz were both unproven when hired. Wojo meets the needs of the front office while Buzz did not. Buzz was a winner Wojo ... ???I firmly believe Wojo has some very good qualities and and it appears he can generally recruit well. Unfortunately he has significant weaknesses. I was critical of the management when he was hired as I was when Buzz was hired. My expectation is, for the money we offer, there should be a better track record of the candidate that is selected. That should increase the likelihood of success.Remember this same management will decide if Wojo stays or leaves. My assessment is he will stay for some years to come and we and more importantly the players and the school will likely suffer accordingly.If not I am happily wrong.
Curious, C71, which coach did you think we should have hired back then?If the choice was Mrs. Shaka's husband, as it was for most of us, who was your choice once Da Missus said she didn't like frozen custard and bubblers?
This is meant to be an honest(not smart ass question)....some people here talk so much about "trend lines" then pick and choose what data they want to use to suit their narrative. Well, This year MU won't finish as high in the conference as they did last year, and next year COULD(yet to be determined), be worse than this year...so wouldn't that then mean a downward trend?? Or is that not the data we will choose to use for any number of reasons?? To me, if you have one year of say a 2nd place finish, the next year is a 5th place finish(for example), and the year after that is a 7th place finish, that can't be anything but a downward trend. Or...are we being forgiving because of whatever excuses we want to use(the Hausers leaving etc)?? I'm asking in all honesty here.
Who cares? That was six years ago. If Wojo leaves, do we have to pick from Shaka, Howland, and Cuonzo again?
Personally I look at Kenpom ranking and even though yes, it's a crapshoot, tournament success. The Big East is much stronger this year so our conference finish is lower, but we rank higher relative to the rest of CBB. If we finish higher than 32 on Kenpom that's 3 consecutive years our ranking improved. That, plus a tournament win shows a clear upward trajectory.If we finish around 32 and don't win a tourney game, then it seems we've plateaued a bit. Not treading downward.I also try to look at it in recruiting cycle chunks like TAMU mentioned. Wojo's first 3 years we finished 93, 97, 32. The next three years were 53, 33, 29 (with games to play). Clear improvementI'd expect the next three years to improve on that. Something like 40, 20, 15. Also need some level of accomplishment when it comes to conference titles, BET titles, S16 runs, etc.