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Title: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: tower912 on March 07, 2018, 10:59:59 PM
1.  Hope MU plays better when they come back for the NIT.
2.  Markus, you were missed.
3.  Rebounding.
4.  Anim did good work on Strusz.  Except for the whole dumb fouling thing.  He abused Jamal and Greg.  And with Sacar out, he found his game and there was no answer.
5.  Foul trouble.  Perpetual.
6.  Depaul  has figured out how to to take MU out of their 3 pt rhythm.   Long guards, no help.
7.  6 players for 4 positions.  A problem since Haanif left.  Sometimes, it bites you in the butt. 
8.  Games where Sacar is the second best offensive option rarely end well. (Creighton the exception)
9.  Hope Sam's leg heals quickly.
10. Fitting ending.   
11.  And somehow, despite all the bad, MU survives for another day. 
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Post by: SaveOD238 on March 07, 2018, 11:03:07 PM
We got the clunker out of the way.  Survive and advance.
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Post by: GGGG on March 07, 2018, 11:03:43 PM
Matt played very well. John and Harry were real poor tonight so Matt had to play big minutes.
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Post by: NickelDimer on March 07, 2018, 11:04:51 PM
I don't have the stats but they were in the double bonus VERY early, and down the stretch we defended without fouling. Wasn't good D, but not a FT fest either.
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Post by: Its DJOver on March 07, 2018, 11:05:18 PM
We really push the limit on the idea that there are no bad wins in March. But it's behind us now. Get focused for tomorrow.
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Post by: MUEng92 on March 07, 2018, 11:07:01 PM
Maybe half the Villanova team will get snowed in tomorrow. Hopefully the half that actually plays...
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Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 07, 2018, 11:07:47 PM
Howie Schwab needs some dental work.
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Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 07, 2018, 11:08:10 PM
12. The whole team is Due????
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Post by: skianth16 on March 07, 2018, 11:10:28 PM
We really push the limit on the idea that there are no bad wins in March. But it's behind us now. Get focused for tomorrow.

Well said. Great summary for tonight.
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Post by: GoldenZebra on March 07, 2018, 11:11:26 PM
Howie Schwab needs some dental work.

or for a start, a toothbrush and some brushing lessons.
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Post by: jesmu84 on March 07, 2018, 11:12:08 PM
I don't have the stats but they were in the double bonus VERY early, and down the stretch we defended without fouling. Wasn't good D, but not a FT fest either.

They were in 1-1 bonus with 12+ left.
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Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 07, 2018, 11:12:29 PM
My heart literally stopped for a few seconds...at least that's what it felt like. Survive and advance.

The Harry rumor is officially debunked. Wouldn't have played if he told Wojo he was gone.....kinda wish he didn't play tonight. Really felt like the game started to get out of control when he entered the game.

I would have liked to see more zone in this game. The fouls were fine in the first half but it got absurd in the second half. I still say we are better at M2M but not when we're fouling like this.

If JFB is the Lebron Killer, Brandon Cyrus is the M2N killer. Hope he rebounds tomorrow.

We got an extended look at what bad Sammy looks like tonight....and he still scored 16 points, kid is a stud

Why is there slipping issues every BET?

Thank god for Andrew Rowsey.

Rowdy got fouled at least three times on that last turnover...no call
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: NickelDimer on March 07, 2018, 11:13:11 PM
They were in 1-1 bonus with 12+ left.
And double with over 8 iirc. Considering that it doesn't seem like they shot man FT's at all once in the double
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Post by: nyg on March 07, 2018, 11:14:37 PM
Some need to take off the blue/gold googles with the refs.  Its MU just doing their foul thing and it gets them in trouble, every game. 13 minutes left in half and Depaul went bonus.  But, they missed a bunch of free throws. Nova doesn't miss a bunch of free throws.

I believe Markus did not take a shot in the second half, not one. 

Sam great second half, Sacar great all round game. 

Harry played two minutes and had three fouls.  Did Theo even play in second half? 

Stress hits a miracle three and misses a wide open three, figure that out. 

Garbage game, get out of system and hit 60% from three tomorrow
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Post by: GoldenZebra on March 07, 2018, 11:15:41 PM

Rowdy got fouled at least three times on that last turnover...no call

They called cheap fouls all night and then swallowed the whistles on that one. Really mind boggling. Also for a team that had nothing to play for, DePaul played like they had everything to play for. Really just is also mind boggling why our guys looked like they were playing not to lose at times in the game.
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Post by: wadesworld on March 07, 2018, 11:17:59 PM
The refs were awful both ways. Let the play on the floor decide the game not the whistles. Nobody wants to watch a game that stops every 18 seconds. No wonder it was so ugly, how do you get in any kind of flow?
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Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 07, 2018, 11:20:13 PM
The refs were awful both ways. Let the play on the floor decide the game not the whistles. Nobody wants to watch a game that stops every 18 seconds. No wonder it was so ugly, how do you get in any kind of flow?

The problem is lack of consistency. You don't know what you're going to get game to game, let alone within the same game.
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Post by: We R Final Four on March 07, 2018, 11:20:20 PM
13. “KEEP YOUR EYE ON STRUS!!”
            —Gus Johnson with 10 seconds left.
We, unfortunately, didn’t get that memo and for some reason never thought that he might be the shooter!
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 07, 2018, 11:22:19 PM
13. “KEEP YOUR EYE ON STRUS!!”
            —Gus Johnson with 10 seconds left.
We, unfortunately, didn’t get that memo and for some reason never thought that he might be the shooter!

Rowsey said he screwed that up during the post game interview. Not sure if he was taking one for the team or if it was on him.
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: mu.n8ball on March 07, 2018, 11:22:31 PM
 
13. “KEEP YOUR EYE ON STRUS!!”
            —Gus Johnson with 10 seconds left.
We, unfortunately, didn’t get that memo and for some reason never thought that he might be the shooter!

Post-game, Rowsey said that Sacar called the screen and that he was supposed to switch. He didn't get bumped on the screen, so he never made the switch onto Strus.
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: jesmu84 on March 07, 2018, 11:22:40 PM
If Markus was "off" because he was shut down by Depaul, and thus decided he would likely hurt the team offensively by forcing things, that's a good IQ move.

But if he's not helping on offense (by his decision or by the defense), wouldn't we be better with others taking his minutes?

If nothing else, at least the defensive boost offered by others.
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Post by: StillWarriors on March 07, 2018, 11:24:06 PM
Very frustrating to watch. DePaul is a pretty good defensive team. They gave X fits on Sat too. Strus had a three to tie at the end of that one also. We dodged a major bullet. Disappointed that MU was on its heels much of the second half. Rowsey's two buckets late were huge. Thank God he hit them, b/c it didn't look like anyone else was going to. 
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Post by: GooooMarquette on March 07, 2018, 11:26:17 PM

The Harry rumor is officially debunked. Wouldn't have played if he told Wojo he was gone.....kinda wish he didn't play tonight. Really felt like the game started to get out of control when he entered the game.


Yep.  We had started to pull away...and suddenly they were back within six.

We played a lot of crappy ball tonight, but that stretch flipped the momentum.
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: Bad_Reporter on March 07, 2018, 11:27:23 PM
At least wojo got that 3rd win in a row...

Seriously why did he go away from zone?
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: GGGG on March 07, 2018, 11:29:27 PM
At least wojo got that 3rd win in a row...

Seriously why did he go away from zone?

Because they gave up an easy lay up. 
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: Bad_Reporter on March 07, 2018, 11:31:28 PM
Because they gave up an easy lay up.

And what about the 2 previous possessions mr wizard?

A defensive stop, and the possession before that a turn over.
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Post by: IrwinFletcher on March 07, 2018, 11:31:43 PM
Kudos to Markus for not forcing it when he didn’t have it.  How about that charge he took late in the game.  He was working really hard when getting posted up and did well. Rowsey isn’t a good defender and is lazy about it. Markus isn’t a good defender but works his tail off.

Would have liked to see more Jamal, but what do I know. Sacar picked up the slack in scoring for the team tonight.
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Post by: mileskishnish72 on March 07, 2018, 11:31:56 PM
Well, the commentators mentioned how well-reffed the game was.

I think we were lucky to escape.  When the offense bogs down, we will have trouble beating even bad teams (like DePaul). Markus was MIA, Rowdy saved our bacon, with help from Sam. Good lesser roles from Matty & Sacar.

We continue to have trouble with BOOBs defensively. This is not new. It pisses me off that this situation has persisted for years. It also bothers me that we didn't have a better end-of-game play. This is something that should be practiced, practiced, practiced. I think both of these issues reflect badly on Wojo. I'm not an anti-Wojo guy, but honestly, some of these persistent problems make me wonder why he does not see them and work to correct them.
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: Bad_Reporter on March 07, 2018, 11:33:00 PM
Kudos to Markus for not forcing it when he didn’t have it.  How about that charge he took late in the game.  He was working really hard when getting posted up and did well. Rowsey isn’t a good defender and is lazy about it. Markus isn’t a good defender but works his tail off.

Would have liked to see more Jamal, but what do I know. Sacar picked up the slack in scoring for the team tonight.

Is the top part supposed to be teal or are you Marcus yourself?
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Post by: #UnleashSean on March 07, 2018, 11:33:20 PM
At least wojo got that 3rd win in a row...

Seriously why did he go away from zone?

Why was Howard in the game when he was cold and does nothing else effectively. Why were Rowsey and Howard in the game in the last defensive possession with a timeout in the bank.

No idea, I really hope wojo has reasons for it, because from my eyes it was a poorly coached game.
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: Floorslapper on March 07, 2018, 11:37:52 PM
Because they gave up an easy lay up.

How many freaking easy layups did our M2M defense give up?  How many fouls did we commit while in man? 

Teams are going to score..on a zone..and on M2M.  How or why anyone would think that because a team scores on a zone 1 out of 3 or hell 4 out of 5 possessions - that, that automatically makes it a worse option for this team is silly.

Wojo has ridden the zone exclusively for exactly one half of basketball, the 2nd half at Creighton.  That's it. 
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Post by: wadesworld on March 07, 2018, 11:42:41 PM
How many freaking easy layups did our M2M defense give up?  How many fouls did we commit while in man? 

Teams are going to score..on a zone..and on M2M.  How or why anyone would think that because a team scores on a zone 1 out of 3 or hell 4 out of 5 possessions - that, that automatically makes it a worse option for this team is silly.

Wojo has ridden the zone exclusively for exactly one half of basketball, the 2nd half at Creighton.  That's it.

And we’re 6-2 in our last 8 games.
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: mug644 on March 07, 2018, 11:45:44 PM
Howard stays in the game because he's threat and the defense has to be attentive to him. Even on a night like tonight. And, neither Cain nor Elliott did much in their minutes to justify taking time away from Howard.

Froling was terrible. Just terrible. I'm generally sympathetic, but his defense was atrocious and he offered nothing on offense, when we really needed it. I don't necessarily want him to leave, but it sure would be nice if he became a contributor.
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Post by: peterpan on March 07, 2018, 11:53:07 PM
Howard stays in the game because he's threat and the defense has to be attentive to him. Even on a night like tonight. And, neither Cain nor Elliott did much in their minutes to justify taking time away from Howard.

Froling was terrible. Just terrible. I'm generally sympathetic, but his defense was atrocious and he offered nothing on offense, when we really needed it. I don't necessarily want him to leave, but it sure would be nice if he became a contributor.

Frolings man was laying in an uncontested layup about 2 seconds after he entered the game. Him and John were awful tonight.
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Post by: skianth16 on March 07, 2018, 11:57:08 PM
Why was Howard in the game when he was cold and does nothing else effectively. Why were Rowsey and Howard in the game in the last defensive possession with a timeout in the bank.

No idea, I really hope wojo has reasons for it, because from my eyes it was a poorly coached game.

It's weird how some teams just have other teams' number in conference play. We had a good Creighton team figured out this year, and Depaul seems to have us figured out. Whether it's coaching or matchups or a combination of both, it's all just part of being in a tough conference.

I'm with you, it seemed like some lineup moves didn't make a ton of sense late in the game, but it all worked out. On one hand, it's frustrating to see a lead get blown with lineups fans don't like, but on the other hand, we would have had this in the bag if Strus didn't nail some ridiculous shots in the second half. It all cuts both ways.
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: auburnmarquette on March 08, 2018, 12:04:31 AM
We really push the limit on the idea that there are no bad wins in March. But it's behind us now. Get focused for tomorrow.
Yes, but Xavier needed a win the last game of the season against depaul to win the big east title and also won by just 3. They will take it and we need to as well.

Hopefully no one actually watches the last 15 seconds.
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: We R Final Four on March 08, 2018, 12:04:38 AM
Why was Howard in with 11.5 up 1?
Why was Rowsey in with 11.5 up 1?

Why were both Howard and Rowsey in for defensive purposes up by 1 point without the ball??
One of the worst defensive duos were intentionally left in the game for the last possession for........wait for it......their D!?!

“Wow—did Marquette dodge one”
                           —RAF
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: MUSF on March 08, 2018, 12:22:34 AM

Post-game, Rowsey said that Sacar called the screen and that he was supposed to switch. He didn't get bumped on the screen, so he never made the switch onto Strus.

That's why it was such a great call.  They were running that screen action all night and Strus slipped the screen on that play and confused the D.  Sacar made the wrong call to switch but once he made the call Rowsey should have switched.  Either way, Strus would have been open because he didn't get close enough to Rowsey for Rowsey to pick him up on the switch effectively.
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Post by: BM1090 on March 08, 2018, 12:31:45 AM
How many freaking easy layups did our M2M defense give up?  How many fouls did we commit while in man? 

Teams are going to score..on a zone..and on M2M.  How or why anyone would think that because a team scores on a zone 1 out of 3 or hell 4 out of 5 possessions - that, that automatically makes it a worse option for this team is silly.

Wojo has ridden the zone exclusively for exactly one half of basketball, the 2nd half at Creighton.  That's it.

1. Not that many. 2. Way too many.
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Post by: LoudMouth on March 08, 2018, 12:42:16 AM
How much money does the BEast pull in a year? Can they get a court that won’t cause players to slip. And for the love of god get the center of the court to match the color of the rest of the floor. It’s like we are some forgotten conference that only supplied the mid court logo and stickers for the paint. Is it that difficult to look like a professional conference?
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Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 08, 2018, 12:53:00 AM
If Markus was "off" because he was shut down by Depaul, and thus decided he would likely hurt the team offensively by forcing things, that's a good IQ move.

But if he's not helping on offense (by his decision or by the defense), wouldn't we be better with others taking his minutes?

If nothing else, at least the defensive boost offered by others.

Wojo kept taking him out for Greg.  greg was better tonight but had foul issues or prolly woukd have played more
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Post by: Jay Bee on March 08, 2018, 12:54:31 AM
Kudos to Markus for not forcing it when he didn’t have it.  How about that charge he took late in the game.  He was working really hard when getting posted up and did well. Rowsey isn’t a good defender and is lazy about it. Markus isn’t a good defender but works his tail off.

i2i

#M2N
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 08, 2018, 12:55:54 AM
Howard stays in the game because he's threat and the defense has to be attentive to him. Even on a night like tonight. And, neither Cain nor Elliott did much in their minutes to justify taking time away from Howard.

Froling was terrible. Just terrible. I'm generally sympathetic, but his defense was atrocious and he offered nothing on offense, when we really needed it. I don't necessarily want him to leave, but it sure would be nice if he became a contributor.

U must of missed point 13 from tower,

13. Harry is better than Merritt, Otule, and Ooze Barro
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Post by: connie on March 08, 2018, 06:04:42 AM
Like passing a kidney stone:  extremely painful, but ultimately, relief.
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Post by: muwarrior69 on March 08, 2018, 06:13:49 AM
I really hate to say it, but we do not look like a tournament team. May the force be with us tonight because we are really going to need it.
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Post by: brewcity77 on March 08, 2018, 06:21:23 AM
I really hate to say it, but we do not look like a tournament team. May the force be with us tonight because we are really going to need it.

Because we beat a top-100 Pomeroy team by the same margin Xavier did 4 days earlier?

This is the problem of viewing teams with scrutiny instead of objectivity. I'll say this, in coming out and getting a win, we looked more like a tournament team than NC State, Syracuse, Arizona State, or Washington did.
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Post by: Anti-Dentite on March 08, 2018, 06:26:15 AM
Because we beat a top-100 Pomeroy team by the same margin Xavier did 4 days earlier?

This is the problem of viewing teams with scrutiny instead of objectivity. I'll say this, in coming out and getting a win, we looked more like a tournament team than NC State, Syracuse, Arizona State, or Washington did.
Agree.
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Post by: fjm on March 08, 2018, 06:28:19 AM
Only saw bits and pieces but we looked solid in the first half. Sounds like we looked quite trashy in the second half.
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Post by: lawdog77 on March 08, 2018, 06:40:54 AM
1.  Hope MU plays better when they come back for the NIT.
2.  Markus, you were missed.
3.  Rebounding.
4.  Anim did good work on Strusz.  Except for the whole dumb fouling thing.  He abused Jamal and Greg.  And with Sacar out, he found his game and there was no answer.
5.  Foul trouble.  Perpetual.
6.  Depaul  has figured out how to to take MU out of their 3 pt rhythm.   Long guards, no help.
7.  6 players for 4 positions.  A problem since Haanif left.  Sometimes, it bites you in the butt. 
8.  Games where Sacar is the second best offensive option rarely end well. (Creighton the exception)
9.  Hope Sam's leg heals quickly.
10. Fitting ending.   
11.  And somehow, despite all the bad, MU survives for another day.
Respectfully disagree on #6. DePaul did an outstanding job of  hedging the screen and doubling Rowsey and Howard.

Thought Howard did a goid job on D tonight and didn't force things. Rather see a night like this than a 6 for 20 shooting performance
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Post by: tower912 on March 08, 2018, 07:26:15 AM
U must of missed point 13 from tower,

13. Harry is better than Merritt, Otule, and Ooze Barro
He wasn't last night.   He looked like he didn't want to play.
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Post by: muwarrior69 on March 08, 2018, 07:40:55 AM
Because we beat a top-100 Pomeroy team by the same margin Xavier did 4 days earlier?

This is the problem of viewing teams with scrutiny instead of objectivity. I'll say this, in coming out and getting a win, we looked more like a tournament team than NC State, Syracuse, Arizona State, or Washington did.

TOO ME they don't look like tournament teams either; but obviously my eyes see things differently than yours and that is OK. It's just basketball.

... and congrats on the little one.
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Post by: tower912 on March 08, 2018, 07:43:47 AM
....to me...
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Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 08, 2018, 07:45:07 AM
Rowsey said he screwed that up during the post game interview. Not sure if he was taking one for the team or if it was on him.
Mind games by Rowsey.  He knew Strus couldn't shoot if that wide open.
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Post by: brewcity77 on March 08, 2018, 07:46:16 AM
TOO ME they don't look like tournament teams either; but obviously my eyes see things differently than yours and that is OK. It's just basketball.

... and congrats on the little one.

Thanks! I think it's just the nature of the bubble. When you get down to the teams on the cusp, they'll have days they look great and days they look marginal. The difference is often being able to win even when you aren't at your best.
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Post by: muwarrior69 on March 08, 2018, 07:46:45 AM
....to me...

too shay!
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Post by: D'Lo Brown on March 08, 2018, 07:46:46 AM
Why was Howard in with 11.5 up 1?
Why was Rowsey in with 11.5 up 1?

Why were both Howard and Rowsey in for defensive purposes up by 1 point without the ball??
One of the worst defensive duos were intentionally left in the game for the last possession for........wait for it......their D!?!

“Wow—did Marquette dodge one”
                           —RAF

Yep. But not like we have long defensive-minded guards to come off the bench and give some effort.

Does anyone wonder whether Wojo's chip on his shoulder about being a small guard has something to do with all this? If you went back and watched all the games you would see instances in every game where he subbed one in to have both on the floor for their defense. Obviously it doesn't make sense (and therefore I should avoid spending too much time thinking about it), but maybe he just has a convinction that they are capable of good D with both on the floor.
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Post by: tower912 on March 08, 2018, 07:52:28 AM
First big East tourney game for the freshmen.  With 11 seconds left in a one possession game, the solution is to take out the senior and sophomore leaders and replace them with freshmen....in their first big East tourney game.    I get that Cain and Greg are better defenders.  But context.  Tournament life at stake.  All the chips pushed to the middle.  I understand why Wojo doesn't go offense defense there.
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Post by: wadesworld on March 08, 2018, 07:53:20 AM
Buzz had Cain, Elliott, Anim, Hauser, and Heldt on the floor for a possession inside a minute of the Creighton home game.  One of the freshman got easily beat baseline off the dribble for a layup in a matter of seconds.

If you have that group on the floor and you get your stop and rebound they get to send someone who either has shot very few free throws this year and is a freshman playing in MSG or someone who is a bad free throw shooter to the line to extend the game, or you're taking a timeout to get Howard and Rowsey back on the floor and trying to inbound it against DePaul's length which gave us some trouble throughout the game.
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Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 08, 2018, 07:56:19 AM
Buzz had Cain, Elliott, Anim, Hauser, and Heldt on the floor for a possession inside a minute of the Creighton home game.  One of the freshman got easily beat baseline off the dribble for a layup in a matter of seconds.


Who's Buzz?
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Post by: zcg2013 on March 08, 2018, 07:59:33 AM
First big East tourney game for the freshmen.  With 11 seconds left in a one possession game, the solution is to take out the senior and sophomore leaders and replace them with freshmen....in their first big East tourney game.    I get that Cain and Greg are better defenders.  But context.  Tournament life at stake.  All the chips pushed to the middle.  I understand why Wojo doesn't go offense defense there.


This is absolutely correct. In yesterday's instance, we expect our leaders to step up and finish the game. We were lucky Strus didn't finish us off, but Survive and Advance.
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Post by: Archies Bat on March 08, 2018, 08:11:55 AM
Buzz had Cain, Elliott, Anim, Hauser, and Heldt on the floor for a possession inside a minute of the Creighton home game.  One of the freshman got easily beat baseline off the dribble for a layup in a matter of seconds.

If you have that group on the floor and you get your stop and rebound they get to send someone who either has shot very few free throws this year and is a freshman playing in MSG or someone who is a bad free throw shooter to the line to extend the game, or you're taking a timeout to get Howard and Rowsey back on the floor and trying to inbound it against DePaul's length which gave us some trouble throughout the game.

Also, might they have been thinking about having the right folks on the floor IF DePaul had scored?  If DePaul scored with Cain and Elliott on the floor, it would have necessitated a time out, giving DePaul a chance to set a good defense.
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Post by: skianth16 on March 08, 2018, 08:40:00 AM
First big East tourney game for the freshmen.  With 11 seconds left in a one possession game, the solution is to take out the senior and sophomore leaders and replace them with freshmen....in their first big East tourney game.    I get that Cain and Greg are better defenders.  But context.  Tournament life at stake.  All the chips pushed to the middle.  I understand why Wojo doesn't go offense defense there.

Love the bolded. That's why March is so much fun.

Your reasoning is probably right. But I think Greg and Jamal can handle that pressure. They've logged a good number of Big East minutes already, and they've played in big games. I know coaches often lean on their older guys and the team leaders in tournament games, but having the best defenders, who also happen to be a lot bigger/longer, on the floor in crunch time still  seems like the logical choice in most cases. Maybe winning in the BET isn't always about logic, though.
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: GGGG on March 08, 2018, 08:42:43 AM
How many freaking easy layups did our M2M defense give up?  How many fouls did we commit while in man? 

Teams are going to score..on a zone..and on M2M.  How or why anyone would think that because a team scores on a zone 1 out of 3 or hell 4 out of 5 possessions - that, that automatically makes it a worse option for this team is silly.

Wojo has ridden the zone exclusively for exactly one half of basketball, the 2nd half at Creighton.  That's it. 


At this point you ride it.

And really I trust Wojo more than the dude who compared John Dawson to Magic Johnson.
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: GGGG on March 08, 2018, 08:45:08 AM
Rowsey f*cked up the defensive rotation but he got the rebound and hit the foul shots. You aren’t taking him out with the game on the line like that.
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Post by: tower912 on March 08, 2018, 08:45:39 AM
Love the bolded. That's why March is so much fun.

Your reasoning is probably right. But I think Greg and Jamal can handle that pressure. They've logged a good number of Big East minutes already, and they've played in big games. I know coaches often lean on their older guys and the team leaders in tournament games, but having the best defenders, who also happen to be a lot bigger/longer, on the floor in crunch time still  seems like the logical choice in most cases. Maybe winning in the BET isn't always about logic, though.
So, we go with the freshmen, Depaul shoots and misses and someone other than Sam or Matt gets the rebound.   Depaul fouls immediately.  Now, in a 2 point game with a few seconds left, Cain is going to the line.  What is your confidence level?   
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 08, 2018, 08:48:05 AM
Two small points.

1. Is it me or is DePaul a decent team? I feel like they should’ve won more games.
2. I’m not saying he plays lights out every game, but has Heldt had a “bad” game all season? I love that kid.
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: skianth16 on March 08, 2018, 08:48:38 AM

At this point you ride it.

And really I trust Wojo more than the dude who compared John Dawson to Magic Johnson.

You have one option who's never lost a Big East game, and then you have Wojo, who has lost at least 25 or 30 BE games. And you take Wojo?  ;)
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Post by: GGGG on March 08, 2018, 08:51:41 AM
Two small points.

1. Is it me or is DePaul a decent team? I feel like they should’ve won more games.
2. I’m not saying he plays lights out every game, but has Heldt had a “bad” game all season? I love that kid.


I don’t think DePaul is *that* bad and I don’t think their coach is terrible. I can see where they are going. Not sure it will amount to much significant though.
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Post by: Jay Bee on March 08, 2018, 08:53:40 AM
Two small points.

1. Is it me or is DePaul a decent team? I feel like they should’ve won more games.
2. I’m not saying he plays lights out every game, but has Heldt had a “bad” game all season? I love that kid.

1. They are awful. They cannot shoot. What they can do is clean the o-glass and play defense. They are very tall (avg ht). Not a great match up for MU. Nonetheless, they do in fact suck.

2. 6% usage last night.. Maric a monster game.. 22p, 10r, 127 ORtg, 24 usage. So.. umm.. maybe last night tbh?

Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: skianth16 on March 08, 2018, 08:54:05 AM
So, we go with the freshmen, Depaul shoots and misses and someone other than Sam or Matt gets the rebound.   Depaul fouls immediately.  Now, in a 2 point game with a few seconds left, Cain is going to the line.  What is your confidence level?

Fair point. But my confidence level that we'd get the stop we needed with Rowsey and Howard on the floor isn't real high either. It's a tough call with this year's team.

Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: loid walden on March 08, 2018, 09:00:27 AM
We didn't deserve to win. DePaul played better defense, ran way better plays, had better schemes and had the best player on the court... We had better players in aggregate and more luck
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Post by: lawdog77 on March 08, 2018, 09:03:06 AM
Rowsey f*cked up the defensive rotation but he got the rebound and hit the foul shots. You aren’t taking him out with the game on the line like that.
I think Howard rotated pretty well on that last shot
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Post by: TheGym on March 08, 2018, 09:05:34 AM
Buzz had Cain, Elliott, Anim, Hauser, and Heldt on the floor for a possession inside a minute of the Creighton home game.  One of the freshman got easily beat baseline off the dribble for a layup in a matter of seconds.


It was Sacar who got beat baseline, for some reason he was cheating to the help side defense and let the guy go right by him.  It did not work out, but I like the play by Buzz (aka Wojo).  A stop there and the game is ours to lose.

Leaving Rowsey and Howard in in the last 11 seconds last night was also the right call.  If DePaul scores you need those two to get a good look to win the game.  I am not surprised Rowsey missed that switch and we definitely got a bit lucky.
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Post by: Benny B on March 08, 2018, 09:11:20 AM
We didn't deserve to win. DePaul played better defense, ran way better plays, had better schemes and had the best player on the court... We had better players in aggregate and more luck

I always understood that the team who scored more points was the one that deserved to win. 

There are no points for second place.
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Post by: NickelDimer on March 08, 2018, 09:31:32 AM
First big East tourney game for the freshmen.  With 11 seconds left in a one possession game, the solution is to take out the senior and sophomore leaders and replace them with freshmen....in their first big East tourney game.    I get that Cain and Greg are better defenders.  But context.  Tournament life at stake.  All the chips pushed to the middle.  I understand why Wojo doesn't go offense defense there.
I also think Wojo’s plan is if DePaul scores earlier in the clock his offense is in the floor to inbound and go. No need for a timeout which allows the defense to get set
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Post by: We R Final Four on March 08, 2018, 09:41:42 AM
Buzz had Cain, Elliott, Anim, Hauser, and Heldt on the floor for a possession inside a minute of the Creighton home game.  One of the freshman got easily beat baseline off the dribble for a layup in a matter of seconds.

If you have that group on the floor and you get your stop and rebound they get to send someone who either has shot very few free throws this year and is a freshman playing in MSG or someone who is a bad free throw shooter to the line to extend the game, or you're taking a timeout to get Howard and Rowsey back on the floor and trying to inbound it against DePaul's length which gave us some trouble throughout the game.
Yes—this am that was what I was thinking. Taking by the risk with the “bad defenders”, but the much better FT shooters. I think this is more in line with the reality. Still a huge risk, almost (should have) cost ya the game because of bad D once again.
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: Newsdreams on March 08, 2018, 09:51:27 AM
Why was Howard in the game when he was cold and does nothing else effectively. Why were Rowsey and Howard in the game in the last defensive possession with a timeout in the bank.

No idea, I really hope wojo has reasons for it, because from my eyes it was a poorly coached game.
Elliott got in foul trouble too quick. Cain did turn the ball twice and was getting killed on defensive end. Plus huge game BET MSG, experience. Elliott and Cain did play but  they were not effective so just go with experience.
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Post by: We R Final Four on March 08, 2018, 09:52:51 AM
So, we go with the freshmen, Depaul shoots and misses and someone other than Sam or Matt gets the rebound.   Depaul fouls immediately.  Now, in a 2 point game with a few seconds left, Cain is going to the line.  What is your confidence level?
Or, prior to that, your ‘bad’ defensive guard misreads a defensive assignment and leaves his man wide open for an uncontested three and we are down two with 4 seconds left.
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Post by: tower912 on March 08, 2018, 09:58:44 AM
I'm not pretending there is an easy solution.  Just pointing out that there are a lot of ways to look at it.   In a perfect world, everybody defends like JFB or Dominic or Blue.   While shooting like Andrew and Markus and being a Crowder like beast down low.  Then it is easy.   That is not this team.  Always an offensive/defensive decision to be made.
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Post by: Newsdreams on March 08, 2018, 10:13:46 AM
I'm not pretending there is an easy solution.  Just pointing out that there are a lot of ways to look at it.   In a perfect world, everybody defends like JFB or Dominic or Blue.   While shooting like Andrew and Markus and being a Crowder like beast down low.  Then it is easy.   That is not this team.  Always an offensive/defensive decision to be made.

Perfect team!
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 08, 2018, 10:14:33 AM
Odds are Wojo already called the play for if DePaul scored. Probably the Heldt half court ice cream shot. Need the right guys in there to execute it.
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on March 08, 2018, 10:24:25 AM
I feel like we have the momentum tonight have a good shot to win, Nova might be a little rusty from not playing yesterday or in a little while
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: Newsdreams on March 08, 2018, 10:25:53 AM
We didn't deserve to win. DePaul played better defense, ran way better plays, had better schemes and had the best player on the court... We had better players in aggregate and more luck
We won so we deserved to win.
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: GGGG on March 08, 2018, 10:50:17 AM
We didn't deserve to win. DePaul played better defense, ran way better plays, had better schemes and had the best player on the court... We had better players in aggregate and more luck

We scored more therefore we deserved to win.
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: brewcity77 on March 08, 2018, 11:04:22 AM
Maybe we didn't, but DePaul deserved it less, so I guess it's ours by default.
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Post by: Bocephys on March 08, 2018, 02:32:47 PM
Maybe we didn't, but DePaul deserved it less, so I guess it's ours by default.

(https://frinkiac.com/video/S05E15/oA3xo4VGDFEaFnYhPizMTOe-35k=.gif)
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: D'Lo Brown on March 08, 2018, 03:01:46 PM
First big East tourney game for the freshmen.  With 11 seconds left in a one possession game, the solution is to take out the senior and sophomore leaders and replace them with freshmen....in their first big East tourney game.    I get that Cain and Greg are better defenders.  But context.  Tournament life at stake.  All the chips pushed to the middle.  I understand why Wojo doesn't go offense defense there.

I don't disagree with you as the argument can be valid either way, and I'm really glad this whole discussion is moot, but I also think you'd feel pretty lonely on this take if Strus had made that totally unguarded practice-type 3 to win it. At that point, we needed to play defense, we were ahead in the game. So I don't understand what you mean by offense/defense because all that was left was defense, I mean, literally.
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: tower912 on March 08, 2018, 03:11:02 PM
I get that Cain and Elliott are better defenders.  Your argument is to put in two freshmen in the highest stress moment of the season over two team leaders.   I understand both arguments.   And Marquette dodged a bullet.   But it is a damned if you do/don't conundrum.  Put in two freshmen, don't get the stop, get the stop and have them fumble the rebound, get the rebound and miss the free throws....  all while your two best players/team leaders sit.   Wojo chose experience and barely got away with it.
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: D'Lo Brown on March 08, 2018, 03:19:56 PM
I get that Cain and Elliott are better defenders.  Your argument is to put in two freshmen in the highest stress moment of the season over two team leaders.   I understand both arguments.   And Marquette dodged a bullet.   But it is a damned if you do/don't conundrum.  Put in two freshmen, don't get the stop, get the stop and have them fumble the rebound, get the rebound and miss the free throws....  all while your two best players/team leaders sit.   Wojo chose experience and barely got away with it.

Yep. Damn Woj.

Keep the luck rolling though
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Post by: Benny B on March 08, 2018, 04:42:28 PM
Tonight's Forecasted Tower Summary Thread Title:

Further Research Needed on Alleged Effects of MSG.

Win or lose, it works.
Title: Re: MSG is bad for you.
Post by: tower912 on March 08, 2018, 06:17:34 PM
Nah.  Different plan.