Scholarship table
There can be many debates on the subject, but I think all MU fans definitely want the program to be striving for more (given the results of the past 5-6 years). To me, I think it is as simple as just looking at the Big East in terms of players that played in the NBA this past year. Butler: 1 (Martin)Creighton: 2 (McDermott, Thomas)DePaul: 1 (Strus)Marquette: 1 (Anderson) *You can include Burton as original MU recruit, but he wasn't a Wojo recruit, nor did he graduate MUProvidence: 1 (Dunn)St. John's: 1 (Sampson)Villanova: 7 (Archidiacono, Bridges, Brunson, DiVincenzo, Hart, Paschall, Spellman)Xavier: 1 (Sumner)Georgetown/Seton Hall: 0Whenever the NBA draft is, it is safe to assume Bey is a 1st rounder, and that guys like Reed, Alexander, Marshall, Markus, Powell and Yurtseven will get drafted/look-ins too. In the BE, it's Villanova, followed by everyone else by a wide margin. Given the lack of consistent NBA talent, you have to view guys like Cooley, Willard and Mack (before he left) were all over-performing given their talent pools. You could also strongly argue that DePaul has been underperforming given the number of guys that have played in the NBA (Reed, Garrett, Henry, Strus), and their consistent last-place finishes.
But the real question ... is the talent level of the roster decreasing? I see one of the best-recruiting classes coming in, in addition to Carton transferring in. So, I see no drop in talent. Therefore, this is a non-problem.
Let’s archive this statement and see how this recruiting class turns out, both by development and roster turnover.
I'll stick with my opinion on Gold. He'll be in foul trouble within the first eight minutes.
I am assuming your are limiting this to players that played during the Wojo era correct?
Interesting approach, but it's definitely not "as simple as" that. Perfect example; X in 17-18; 29-6, won the Beast, got a 1 seed, zero future NBA players (Marshall may get a look somewhere but is vastly overrated, similar story with Jones and Scruggs). You can be a very good college player and not have any NBA success, see Scottie Reynolds, Trevon Bluiett, Kevin Jones, DJO, etc.
Not a good argument. Great college players don't always transition to be great or even good NBA players. It is the same with college football. Just look at the number of draft misses. Just for example. The 2016 All American Team were Brogdon, Heild, Bryce Johnson of UNC, Ben Simmons, Tyler Ulis of KY and Denzel Valentine. 2nd Team Kris Dunn, Perry Ellis, George Niang, Jakob Polti and Jarrod Utoff.
Aw c'mon wades ... you gotta get hip to the rules:Any Marquette player who develops over time into a better player, it is because he worked on his own, he worked with his family, he worked with fellow players or he worked with assistant coaches. Or he just had raw talent and it developed naturally. Wojo gets 0% of the credit.Any Marquette player who doesn't develop over time into a better player, it is because Wojo is a de-motivating failure. Wojo gets 100% of the blame.Got it now?
That's why I said that Mack (among others) overachieved, given their NBA talent.
It's still a terrible metric to use. Seton Hall currently has zero players in the NBA, but Powell with play somewhere, Whitehead played for 2 years, Delgado played for a season, and both Carrington and Rodriguez had 2 way contracts. So by your count SH has zero, but in terms of talent, there's 5 players that have played in the Association, and Willard turned that into 1 NCAA win. You say he's overachieving, there's an argument that he's underachieving based on the talent he has. There's plenty of other flaws too.
I think there is a pretty strong correlation between future NBA talent and NCAA success. There is a pretty good reason why Buzz succeeded when he did at MU.
Correlation is not causation. Of course there are going to be success stories, but there are way too many outliers to say that you need NBA talent to win at the NCAA level. Based on Warrior11 metric, Buzz's best team got to the E8 with one current NBA talent, and I gotta say, I don't think Juan's 2.7 ppg made a huge difference that year.NBA level talent makes it easier to succeed at the NCAA level (I'm not suggesting otherwise), but only looking at current NBA rosters to determine NCAA levels of success since '14 is a terrible metric.
Blankson - UNLV - mu starter who did absolutely tear it up at unlv to lessor competition. However there's an argument here that he was recruited over at Marquette. Mason - LSU - probably a good thing he did transfer. He wasn't bad at Marquette but wasn't great. Absolutely awful at LSU. Mbakwe - Minnesota - you are cheating quite a bit on this one. First he transferred to miama Dade CC out of Marquette. Played 11 games and limited minutes and then had to have surgery. At the same time Marquette had otule. Then we have to consider that while Minnesota is in a high major conference. Are they really a high major team? Once their he didn't do bad by any means. But was still a reserve as a senior on a very weak team. Christopherson - Iowa State - averaged 1.3 ppg for Marquette in 18 games. Had surgery to start the year. There's a reason he transferred out of Marquette. Bradley - Wichita State - transferred after sophomore year while being pegged to the bench and clearly recruited over. Do you also consider witchita state a high major now? Then do you believe them to be a high major in 2004?Amoroso - San Diego State - you may be into something here. At least he was a solid player. Again however, do you really consider San Diego a high major? Burton - Iowa State - transferred after playing for wojo?I believe you missed the easiest one in Jamaal McKay
Enough correlation actually does imply causation.Buzz's E8 team did have two additional players that had cups of coffee in the NBA BTW.
It's still a terrible metric to use. Seton Hall currently has zero players in the NBA, but Powell will play somewhere, Whitehead played for 2 years, Delgado played for a season, and both Carrington and Rodriguez had 2 way contracts. So by your count SH has zero, but in terms of talent, there's 5 players that have played in the Association, and Willard turned that into 1 NCAA win. You say he's overachieving, there's an argument that he's underachieving based on the talent he has. There's plenty of other flaws too.
You're doing a fabulous job at reading comprehension. I said in the NBA this past year. If anything, you have just strengthened the entire argument.Yes, Seton Hall has had Delgado and Whitehead in the NBA in the past few years as well (and will have Powell this year too). Providence has had Bentil, Cotton and Dunn. Marquette, in comparison, has fallen short of other BE programs will getting players into the NBA. Howard should absolutely get a look. But, other than Markus and Henry (Juan was a Buzz recruit), there is a strong argument as to why Marquette struggles to consistently compete with the top-group of the BE.Look at Georgetown. They have had just one player in the past few years get to the NBA (Marcus Derrickson). Georgetown has not made a tournament since 2015.Again, this is just a snapshot; there are numerous others that make up the full picture.
Jamil and Vander also played in the NBA. The last time MU won a tournament game, we had multiple players that ended up playing in the NBA.