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Author Topic: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?  (Read 30658 times)

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Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« on: June 26, 2014, 03:36:45 PM »

Well, I guess this man's views were not scrubbed thoroughly enough for an offer of employment to have been extended. Mike Lovell is not in step with the Marquette Faithful. Is mistake now spelled L-o-v-e-l-l?


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Marquette will not re-adopt the Warriors nickname.


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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2014, 03:45:53 PM »
Jesuits may allow a lay Prez, but will never let that name return....      ;)

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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2014, 04:00:45 PM »
Jesuits may allow a lay Prez, but will never let that name return....      ;)

Well, I agree that Pilarz will never again return to Marquette. But what about fixing the Warriors mistake?


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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2014, 04:34:57 PM »
Well, I agree that Pilarz will never again return to Marquette. But what about fixing the Warriors mistake?
Saying no to the Warrior name, unfortunately, was a condition of employment.   ;)

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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2014, 04:40:43 PM »
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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2014, 05:24:56 PM »
Well, I agree that Pilarz will never again return to Marquette. But what about fixing the Warriors mistake?

Unfortunately, that ship sailed long ago. There is zero chance that topic will ever resurface at MU.

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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2014, 06:51:13 PM »
Not on the radar.   No way, no how, no amount of money.   I loved the nickname, I mourned the loss of the nickname, I protested the loss of the nickname, I sent letters.......its over.   It is some girl I knew 25 years ago.   A fond memory, but it means nothing to me now.   
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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2014, 07:06:05 PM »
You have to let this warrior thing go ... you're all a bunch of old men with gas problems.


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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2014, 07:11:01 PM »
Stop being racial Heisenberg

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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2014, 07:23:11 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2014, 07:57:37 PM »
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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2014, 08:03:03 PM »
I want the Warriors back as much as anyone on this board does.

It aint happening! That ship sailed!

Even if Marquette hired Jesus himself, the Jesuits would have him promise not to do a Lazarus act on the Warriors nickname.

Look, if the Jesuits turned down a million dollars to change the name back, it is done, finished and kaput. Put a fork in it and leave this debate.

I think I would rather debate the Hillbilly then have YET ANOTHER board on bringing the Warriors name back. Could we ban this subject forever???????
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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2014, 08:21:57 PM »
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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2014, 08:32:03 PM »
I think it could come back. But by the time it is possible, all the alumni who graduated as Warriors will be dead. And if we try to change it then, all the Golden Eagle alumni will protest it.

I say we go back to Hilltoppers, throw em a curveball
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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2014, 08:38:47 PM »
I think it could come back. But by the time it is possible, all the alumni who graduated as Warriors will be dead. And if we try to change it then, all the Golden Eagle alumni will protest it.

I say we go back to Hilltoppers, throw em a curveball

What about Golden Avalanche?
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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2014, 08:38:49 PM »
I want the Warriors back as much as anyone on this board does.

I think I would rather debate the Hillbilly then have YET ANOTHER board on bringing the Warriors name back. Could we ban this subject forever???????

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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2014, 09:25:22 PM »
If Warriors is good enough for Bucharest, it's good enough for MU.

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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2014, 09:33:42 PM »
That's a significant amount of "Warrior teams".

I didn't realize there were so many insensitive people in the world.
All this talk of rights.  So little talk of responsibilities.

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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2014, 09:53:08 PM »
If Warriors is good enough for Bucharest, it's good enough for MU.

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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2014, 09:55:07 PM »
Marquette Warriors, Notre Dame Fighting Irish, North Carolina Tar Heels, Indiana Hoosiers and a few others - we were in the team picture for the most recognizable and iconic of nicknames. Now we're on a short list for the most boring, white bread ones. Many mascots available - we could even keep the damn eagle in some form as an olive branch - if people only wanted to be reasonable. Sad.

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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2014, 10:53:03 PM »
Marquette Warriors, Notre Dame Fighting Irish, North Carolina Tar Heels, Indiana Hoosiers and a few others - we were in the team picture for the most recognizable and iconic of nicknames. Now we're on a short list for the most boring, white bread ones. Many mascots available - we could even keep the damn eagle in some form as an olive branch - if people only wanted to be reasonable. Sad.

I think the administration is embarrassed of some of the more racist imagery of the past. It's been buried for the most part now. Very few people know about Willie Wampum. If we switch back to the Warriors, all of those skeletons will come pouring out of the closet.

Now I think that will last for a season at most. Than most people would forget about it. Still, I don't think the administration will ever consider going back.
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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2014, 11:23:15 PM »
Marquette Warriors, Notre Dame Fighting Irish, North Carolina Tar Heels, Indiana Hoosiers and a few others - we were in the team picture for the most recognizable and iconic of nicknames. Now we're on a short list for the most boring, white bread ones. Many mascots available - we could even keep the damn eagle in some form as an olive branch - if people only wanted to be reasonable. Sad.

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« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2014, 11:25:05 PM »
I think the administration is embarrassed of some of the more racist imagery of the past. It's been buried for the most part now. Very few people know about Willie Wampum. If we switch back to the Warriors, all of those skeletons will come pouring out of the closet.

Now I think that will last for a season at most. Than most people would forget about it. Still, I don't think the administration will ever consider going back.

This is why every logo I put up was not Native American in nature.  That being said, there were many that had Native American imagery that was incredibly benign (a feather, for example) that I could have added.


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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2014, 12:10:27 AM »
Marquette Warriors, Notre Dame Fighting Irish, North Carolina Tar Heels, Indiana Hoosiers and a few others - we were in the team picture for the most recognizable and iconic of nicknames. Now we're on a short list for the most boring, white bread ones. Many mascots available - we could even keep the damn eagle in some form as an olive branch - if people only wanted to be reasonable. Sad.

I couldn't agree more with this statement. Marquette and Warriors were synonymous and together stood for excellence. There is a reason why decades later broadcasters and athletes continue to refer to us by that name.

If the administration had courage they would say that there was unflattering imagery associated with the name in a different time and era and that Marquette has repositioned the Warrior as a ubiquitous symbol of nobility, gallantry, and integrity for a new century. Press on. Unfortunately, they copped out and could not have chosen a more banal and insipid mascot.



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Re: Was the Lovell Hire a Tragic Mistake?
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2014, 12:15:58 AM »
This is why every logo I put up was not Native American in nature.  That being said, there were many that had Native American imagery that was incredibly benign (a feather, for example) that I could have added.



Oh I know that. But think about how the story would play out. Marquette changes from Golden Eagles to Warriors. Marquette changed from the Warriors in the early 90s because they used native american imagery. What native american imagery did they use in the past?....oh god....that's not pretty.

Again, I agree the situation was mishandled. We should have just switched to a non-native moniker. But we didn't, and if we ever go back, our dirty laundry from the past will be aired out.
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