Author Topic: Gophers basketball recruit Trevor Mbakwe accused of assaulting Miami woman, but (Read 30836 times)

77ncaachamps · « **on:** July 29, 2009, 01:29:19 AM »

says 'it's not true.

Former St. Bernard's basketball standout Trevor Mbakwe, a key member of University of Minnesota coach Tubby Smith's incoming recruiting class, is facing a felony battery charge stemming from an April incident in Miami-Dade County.

"Some stuff went on; it's not true," Mbakwe said Tuesday night. "It will come out. That's why I'm just really not worried about it right now. I'm just focusing on school. There's nothing really much to it. It's just something you have to go through."

Mbakwe's attorney, Gregory Samms, wrote in an e-mail that this was "a case of mistaken identity."

According to a police report, a woman said there was a party at her Miami apartment complex for the Miami Dade College basketball team, Mbakwe's junior college team. She was walking from her vehicle to her apartment shortly before 3 a.m. April 3, according to the police report, when a man allegedly rode up on a bicycle and asked her if she was "(expletive) up."

"She ignored him, frightened and began to walk faster," the police report said. "The def(endant) rode beside her and asked if she was OK. She answered, 'Yes.' Then, the def(endant) dropped the bike and approached the victim. The def(endant) attempted to pull her pants down. The victim began to yell for help, and then the def(endant) punched her in the face, knocking her down.

"The victim got up and attempted to run away, when the def(endant) punched her again in the face," the report said. "The def(endant) got back on his bike. The victim called 911."

The woman was hospitalized, according to the police report, and suffered a fractured cheekbone and ruptured sinus. The woman identified Mbakwe, 20, from a photograph by searching online for the Miami Dade basketball team, according to the police report.

"Several attempts were made to locate the def(endant) with negative results," the police report said. "Further investigation revealed the def(endant) departed the state and returned to his mother's home in Minnesota."

After retaining an attorney, the report said, Mbakwe flew back to Miami to surrender. The St. Paul native was arrested April 28, the report said, but made no statements while invoking his rights.

"This happened awhile ago," Mbakwe said Tuesday night. "Coach (Smith) knows everything about it, of course. When the time comes, I'll be able to tell more about it. I'm just going through the (process) right now."

Mbakwe's court case is scheduled for Aug. 26 in Miami-Dade County.

Smith, who was recruiting in Phoenix, said in a statement Tuesday through the Gophers athletics communications office, "We are aware of the situation, but cannot comment at this time."

Minnesota athletics director Joel Maturi said by phone Tuesday that he wasn't aware of Mbakwe's case. Maturi didn't want to speculate about Mbakwe's future with the Gophers.

"I don't know any details at all," Maturi said. "Tubby did say something to me that there was an issue about the young man, and that he was going to look into it. We have not spoken about it since that time. I would have to know what the situation is. I need to know what the facts are and what the truths are. Until then, it wouldn't be appropriate for me to say what could or could not happen.

"Sometimes people are accurately accused. Sometimes people are falsely accused. Sometimes there's truth in between. We need to know what the facts are before I think any decisions are made," Maturi said.

Mbakwe, who lives with his girlfriend and 18-month-old son near campus in Minneapolis, has yet to graduate from junior college. Mbakwe is finishing a class online so he will be eligible to transfer to Minnesota and play for the Gophers in the 2009-10 season.

"I just have to take a class that ends this week," Mbakwe said. "After this week, I just have to wait for the school to send my transcripts. That's the only problem. I'm not ineligible or anything like that."

The 6-foot-8, 230-pound Mbakwe spent an injury-plagued freshman year at Marquette before playing last season at Miami Dade, where he averaged 16 points, 13 rebounds and three blocked shots a game.

He decided to return home and play for the Gophers, joining high-profile local recruits Royce White from Hopkins High School and Rodney Williams Jr. from Cooper High School. Mbakwe was projected as a starting power forward for the Gophers, and ESPN.com has predicted Mbakwe will be the Big Ten Conference newcomer of the year.

Miami Dade basketball coach Matt Eisele said Tuesday that he didn't know Mbakwe had been arrested. He said Mbakwe was a team captain for him and didn't seem the type of person who would get into this kind of trouble.

"He gets a full blessing from me," Eisele said. "We didn't have any issues with him. All I can control is my kids staying focused. When he was down here, he was a good kid for us."'

Have fun with him, Gopher fans.

4everwarriors · « **Reply #1 on:** July 29, 2009, 06:38:28 AM »

Some people really know how to f-up prosperity.

TallTitan34 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 29, 2009, 07:08:09 AM »

What a joke.

MarquetteFan94 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 29, 2009, 07:54:36 AM »

This seals it.....good riddance. Can you picture him on a bike?

GOMU1104 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 29, 2009, 08:08:17 AM »

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Trevor isnt the sharpest knife in the drawer, but cmon now.

I'm no lawyer, but I think even I could defend Mbakwe on this one.

The girl is coming home at 3 am, after a party in Miami with a bunch of basketball players. In the dark, she can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Trevor Mbakwe assaulted her. Yea...I'm calling BS on this girl.

Hards Alumni · « **Reply #5 on:** July 29, 2009, 08:10:02 AM »

Quote from: GOMU1104 on July 29, 2009, 08:08:17 AM

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Trevor isnt the sharpest knife in the drawer, but cmon now.

I'm no lawyer, but I think even I could defend Mbakwe on this one.

The girl is coming home at 3 am, after a party in Miami with a bunch of basketball players. In the dark, she can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Trevor Mbakwe assaulted her. Yea...I'm calling BS on this girl.

+1 to the first line only.

GGGG · « **Reply #6 on:** July 29, 2009, 08:16:25 AM »

Quote from: GOMU1104 on July 29, 2009, 08:08:17 AM

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Trevor isnt the sharpest knife in the drawer, but cmon now.

I'm no lawyer, but I think even I could defend Mbakwe on this one.

The girl is coming home at 3 am, after a party in Miami with a bunch of basketball players. In the dark, she can say, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Trevor Mbakwe assaulted her. Yea...I'm calling BS on this girl.

A couple of things....

People need to stop the "innocent until proven guilty" line. MUScoop, and our opinions, are not a court of law. For instance, Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire were never convicted of using steroids (or the like) but if you don't believe that they used them...well...your a moron.

Second, her job isn't to identify her attacker "beyond a reasonable doubt." She picked him out from a photo and yes that information could be inaccurate. Time will tell.

TallTitan34 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 29, 2009, 08:19:14 AM »

What are the differences between this and the Devendorf case? Were there multiple witnesses in the Devendorf case.

Hards Alumni · « **Reply #8 on:** July 29, 2009, 08:20:34 AM »

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 29, 2009, 08:16:25 AM

A couple of things....

People need to stop the "innocent until proven guilty" line. MUScoop, and our opinions, are not a court of law. For instance, Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire were never convicted of using steroids (or the like) but if you don't believe that they used them...well...your a moron.

Second, her job isn't to identify her attacker "beyond a reasonable doubt." She picked him out from a photo and yes that information could be inaccurate. Time will tell.

I forget the statisitics, but picking someone out of a lineup (especially someone of a different race!) is EXTREMELY unreliable.

TallTitan34 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 29, 2009, 08:24:17 AM »

When Mbakwe says, "some stuff happened" does he mean something did happen with the girl but not what she said or is he just referring to being picked in a lineup.

NavinRJohnson · « **Reply #10 on:** July 29, 2009, 08:31:10 AM »

The Miami-Dade Police acted stupidly!

GOMU1104 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 29, 2009, 08:33:58 AM »

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 29, 2009, 08:20:34 AM

I forget the statisitics, but picking someone out of a lineup (especially someone of a different race!) is EXTREMELY unreliable.

Especially when you look at the makeup of the Basketball team at Miami Dade JUCO...the ones for who the party was thrown for.

I hate to be the guy that says "they all look alike," but...

http://www.mdc.edu/athletics/mensbasketball_bios.asp

NavinRJohnson · « **Reply #12 on:** July 29, 2009, 08:37:33 AM »

Innocent until proven guilty? You bet. He will have his day in court.

Could a good defense attorney get him off?? Sure, but that doesn't mean he didn't do it. OJ was acquitted. The police/DA went to the trouble of pressing charges and arresting him, based on the victim's ID. Could they have the wrong guy? Sure, but they probably don't.

For those of you in the he didn't do it crowd, this happened on April 3rd. Do you find this part of the police report at all interesting...

"Several attempts were made to locate the def(endant) with negative results," the police report said. "Further investigation revealed the def(endant) departed the state and returned to his mother's home in Minnesota."

After retaining an attorney, the report said, Mbakwe flew back to Miami to surrender. The St. Paul native was arrested April 28, the report said, but made no statements while invoking his rights.

Class was in session during that time, including final exams. Now, entirely possible he had already closed the book on academics since the season was over, but I find it awfully convenient that he decided to head back to MN a full month after their season ended, while classes were in session.

dwaderoy2004 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 29, 2009, 08:38:05 AM »

ha, mbakwe's favorite TV show is "Law and Order"

LON · « **Reply #14 on:** July 29, 2009, 08:52:01 AM »

Should have been you, Trevor Mbakwe.

GOMU1104 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 29, 2009, 09:20:43 AM »

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on July 29, 2009, 08:37:33 AM

Innocent until proven guilty? You bet. He will have his day in court.

Could a good defense attorney get him off?? Sure, but that doesn't mean he didn't do it. OJ was acquitted. The police/DA went to the trouble of pressing charges and arresting him, based on the victim's ID. Could they have the wrong guy? Sure, but they probably don't.

For those of you in the he didn't do it crowd, this happened on April 3rd. Do you find this part of the police report at all interesting...

"Several attempts were made to locate the def(endant) with negative results," the police report said. "Further investigation revealed the def(endant) departed the state and returned to his mother's home in Minnesota."

After retaining an attorney, the report said, Mbakwe flew back to Miami to surrender. The St. Paul native was arrested April 28, the report said, but made no statements while invoking his rights.

Class was in session during that time, including final exams. Now, entirely possible he had already closed the book on academics since the season was over, but I find it awfully convenient that he decided to head back to MN a full month after their season ended, while classes were in session.

Never said he didn't do it. Just stating how shakey the evidence is.

GGGG · « **Reply #16 on:** July 29, 2009, 09:37:22 AM »

Quote from: GOMU1104 on July 29, 2009, 08:33:58 AM

Especially when you look at the makeup of the Basketball team at Miami Dade JUCO...the ones for who the party was thrown for.

I hate to be the guy that says "they all look alike," but...

http://www.mdc.edu/athletics/mensbasketball_bios.asp

Wow. First you "call BS" on the victim, then you imply that all the black guys on the team look alike. It's a banner day for your Jesuit education.

GOMU1104 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 29, 2009, 09:43:10 AM »

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 29, 2009, 09:37:22 AM

Wow. First you "call BS" on the victim, then you imply that all the black guys on the team look alike. It's a banner day for your Jesuit education.

Wow, are you serious?

lurch91 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 29, 2009, 09:47:16 AM »

Man, those guys love their cartoons.

Did the Duke LaCrosse team scandal show us nothing?

GOMU1104 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 29, 2009, 09:51:53 AM »

Quote from: lurch91 on July 29, 2009, 09:47:16 AM

Did the Duke LaCrosse team scandal show us nothing?

Thank you.

Again, I am looking at the evidence put forth in that article. On the surface, it looks pretty questionable.

nyg · « **Reply #20 on:** July 29, 2009, 09:52:38 AM »

The use of a photographic display is for probable cause only to obtain an arrest warrant, to go along with the victim's statement. Since the party was held for the basketball team and the victim probably described the assailant as being extremely tall, the detectives put two and two together and I presume used the basketball team photos as the actual display. The victim would then initial/sign and date the photograph she selected.

Did the victim immediately identify the assailant as Trevor or did she take some time pondering/deciding who it was. That would be a factor at the time of presenting the case to a grand jury for indictments. If indicted, the police then have the option of conducting an actual "person" lineup in the company of his defense team.

The fact Trevor made the statement that "some stuff happened" does mean he was aware of the incident in some nature.

The incident occurred on 4/3/09 and he was arrested on 4/28/09. There are no facts as to when the victim actaully reported the crime to the police. Was it the day of the incident or subsequent to, after she thought about it. These are some serious injuries suffered by the victim and I cannot see the police waiting that long to file charges and start looking for him. If an arrest warrant was issued days following the incident, they should have conducted the appropriate fugitive leads, contacted Minneapolis authorities, arrested him and then had him extradited.

According to the media, the initial charges are felony battery. These could escalate to more serious charges as attempted rape, assault, etc., once the matter is presented to the grand jury.

Have to wait for all the facts, but this could be serious if he is charged.

LON · « **Reply #21 on:** July 29, 2009, 11:05:52 AM »

Are we sure it isn't 'Horseface' McNaulty making this claim?

Oh, it wasn't in Reno?

GGGG · « **Reply #22 on:** July 29, 2009, 11:45:53 AM »

Quote from: GOMU1104 on July 29, 2009, 09:51:53 AM

Thank you.

Again, I am looking at the evidence put forth in that article. On the surface, it looks pretty questionable.

Don't be ridiculous. You are jumping to conclusions just as the others are...but you're just jumping to the opposite conclusions....

The only person who has taken some time to lay out the issues, without placing any judgment whatsoever, is nyg. Everyone else, including yourself, are making assumptions and drawing conclusions based upon a newspaper article.

ZiggysFryBoy · « **Reply #23 on:** July 29, 2009, 11:52:40 AM »

maybe obama will invite Trevor and the girl to the white house for a beer.

GOMU1104 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 29, 2009, 11:57:19 AM »

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 29, 2009, 11:45:53 AM

Don't be ridiculous. You are jumping to conclusions just as the others are...but you're just jumping to the opposite conclusions....

The only person who has taken some time to lay out the issues, without placing any judgment whatsoever, is nyg. Everyone else, including yourself, are making assumptions and drawing conclusions based upon a newspaper article.

Its called...looking at both sides of the issue. Everyone immediately jumped out and assumed he is guilty, based on what is in the article. I took the other side, pointing out the potential flaws.

He very well may be a bastard, and assaulted her...but you cant draw any conclusions, either way, from what is in the article.

Sorry I didn't put it into legal-speak like nyg did.

NavinRJohnson · « **Reply #25 on:** July 29, 2009, 12:09:38 PM »

Quote from: GOMU1104 on July 29, 2009, 11:57:19 AM

but you cant draw any conclusions, either way, from what is in the article.

I can and will...she picked him out, he just happened to skip town for 3 weeks while school was in session, the police felt strongly enough about the evidence to arrest him and pursue charges, and those charges remain in place several months later (Likely after additional scrutiny/investigation). I am completely comfortable jumping to the conclusion that he is guilty of this. Is there a very small chance they got the wrong guy? Sure. Could he be found not guilty? Yep. Did he do it? I am completely comfortable saying yes, he probably did.

GGGG · « **Reply #26 on:** July 29, 2009, 12:10:17 PM »

Quote from: GOMU1104 on July 29, 2009, 11:57:19 AM

Its called...looking at both sides of the issue. Everyone immediately jumped out and assumed he is guilty, based on what is in the article. I took the other side, pointing out the potential flaws.

He very well may be a bastard, and assaulted her...but you cant draw any conclusions, either way,

...but you did draw conclusions. You said "Yea...I'm calling BS on this girl."

Nice backpedal.

4everwarriors · « **Reply #27 on:** July 29, 2009, 12:11:27 PM »

Quote from: 4everwarriors' hedge trimmers on July 29, 2009, 11:52:40 AM

maybe obama will invite Trevor and the girl to the white house for a beer.

First Michelle and B.O. will host them in NYC for dinner and a Broadway show, then bust out the Spotted Cow in their Washington digs.

nyg · « **Reply #28 on:** July 29, 2009, 12:16:07 PM »

Quote from: GOMU1104 on July 29, 2009, 11:57:19 AM

Its called...looking at both sides of the issue. Everyone immediately jumped out and assumed he is guilty, based on what is in the article. I took the other side, pointing out the potential flaws.

He very well may be a bastard, and assaulted her...but you cant draw any conclusions, either way, from what is in the article.

Sorry I didn't put it into legal-speak like nyg did.

Appreciate the "legal-speak" terminology, but more in line with simple police work or Investigator Basic Training I. The facts always come out and will be better answered when the media obtains a copy of the arrest warrant and the affidavit supporting it. Well, at least a smart reporter would do that.... Remember, a magistrate signs the warrant following a review, so probable cause existed in the judge's decision. Should be a bigger story in Minneapolis than Miami.

GOMU1104 · « **Reply #29 on:** July 29, 2009, 12:34:03 PM »

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 29, 2009, 12:10:17 PM

...but you did draw conclusions. You said "Yea...I'm calling BS on this girl."

Nice backpedal.

Dont bother to mention the reasons I am calling BS.

Whatever. I'm done with you.

lurch91 · « **Reply #30 on:** July 29, 2009, 12:36:45 PM »

What I REALLY want to know is, was Mbakwe wearing his bike helmet? Id hate to think what would ahve happend if he had fallen off his BMX.

GOMU1104 · « **Reply #31 on:** July 29, 2009, 12:38:44 PM »

Quote from: lurch91 on July 29, 2009, 12:36:45 PM

What I REALLY want to know is, was Mbakwe wearing his bike helmet? Id hate to think what would ahve happend if he had fallen off his BMX.

I keep picturing Debo from Friday/Next Friday

I suppose that would qualify as me not using my Jesuit education...right Sultan?

GGGG · « **Reply #32 on:** July 29, 2009, 12:57:20 PM »

Quote from: GOMU1104 on July 29, 2009, 12:38:44 PM

I suppose that would qualify as me not using my Jesuit education...right Sultan?

Saying your "done with" me and then calling me out = weak.

ChicosBailBonds · « **Reply #33 on:** July 29, 2009, 01:49:34 PM »

Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 29, 2009, 08:19:14 AM

What are the differences between this and the Devendorf case? Were there multiple witnesses in the Devendorf case.

Let's not forget our own Amal McCaskill had a similar situation but was cleared.

ChicosBailBonds · « **Reply #34 on:** July 29, 2009, 01:49:49 PM »

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on July 29, 2009, 08:31:10 AM

The Miami-Dade Police acted stupidly!

I just hope the professors at Duke University and the associated media don't get involved or the kid will be in the gas chamber by the end of the week.

PJDunn · « **Reply #35 on:** July 29, 2009, 01:57:36 PM »

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 29, 2009, 01:49:34 PM

Let's not forget our own Amal McCaskill had a similar situation but was cleared.

That may not be the best example of "justice" served. Thank God that incident is way back in our rear view mirror.

ChicosBailBonds · « **Reply #36 on:** July 29, 2009, 01:59:25 PM »

Quote from: PJDunn on July 29, 2009, 01:57:36 PM

That may not be the best example of "justice" served. Thank God that incident is way back in our rear view mirror.

True....I guess I was merely pointing out that he was accused and later charges were dropped if I recall. How they got to that ultimate decision I don't know.

bartmiller#1 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 29, 2009, 02:49:31 PM »

Quote from: nyg on July 29, 2009, 09:52:38 AM

The use of a photographic display is for probable cause only to obtain an arrest warrant, to go along with the victim's statement. Since the party was held for the basketball team and the victim probably described the assailant as being extremely tall, the detectives put two and two together and I presume used the basketball team photos as the actual display. The victim would then initial/sign and date the photograph she selected.

Did the victim immediately identify the assailant as Trevor or did she take some time pondering/deciding who it was. That would be a factor at the time of presenting the case to a grand jury for indictments. If indicted, the police then have the option of conducting an actual "person" lineup in the company of his defense team.

The fact Trevor made the statement that "some stuff happened" does mean he was aware of the incident in some nature.

The incident occurred on 4/3/09 and he was arrested on 4/28/09. There are no facts as to when the victim actaully reported the crime to the police. Was it the day of the incident or subsequent to, after she thought about it. These are some serious injuries suffered by the victim and I cannot see the police waiting that long to file charges and start looking for him. If an arrest warrant was issued days following the incident, they should have conducted the appropriate fugitive leads, contacted Minneapolis authorities, arrested him and then had him extradited.

According to the media, the initial charges are felony battery. These could escalate to more serious charges as attempted rape, assault, etc., once the matter is presented to the grand jury.

Have to wait for all the facts, but this could be serious if he is charged.

All very well said.

Two things I'd like to add:

1. The original press report states that the victim searched the team's photos on her own (that's the way I read it, anyway) after the incident.

That's not a controlled photo array or lineup procedure. It's her acting on a hunch that the guy could be viewed from some pictures online. The fact that she "identified" Mbakwe based on a picture she found online, when she went online expecting to find the guy who attacked her, is not at all surprising (to me). I don't believe that to be a reliable ID.

Not saying anything about the ultimate issue-- I have no opinion about whether TM did it or not, other than to say I presume him to be innocent and I haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise from this report.

2. Were this case to go to trial the prosecutor would almost certainly ask the victim to talk about her id'ing of the photo as evidence of TM's guilt. So while it's correct that at this point they're only using the photo ID to support probable cause to arrest, ultimately, if it gets that far, they're almost certain to use the same evidence to ask the jury to find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

BrewCity83 · « **Reply #38 on:** July 29, 2009, 03:50:58 PM »

If the bike don't fit, you must acquit!

nyg · « **Reply #39 on:** July 29, 2009, 03:58:45 PM »

Quote from: bartmiller#1 on July 29, 2009, 02:49:31 PM

All very well said.

Two things I'd like to add:

1. The original press report states that the victim searched the team's photos on her own (that's the way I read it, anyway) after the incident.

That's not a controlled photo array or lineup procedure. It's her acting on a hunch that the guy could be viewed from some pictures online. The fact that she "identified" Mbakwe based on a picture she found online, when she went online expecting to find the guy who attacked her, is not at all surprising (to me). I don't believe that to be a reliable ID.

Not saying anything about the ultimate issue-- I have no opinion about whether TM did it or not, other than to say I presume him to be innocent and I haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise from this report.

2. Were this case to go to trial the prosecutor would almost certainly ask the victim to talk about her id'ing of the photo as evidence of TM's guilt. So while it's correct that at this point they're only using the photo ID to support probable cause to arrest, ultimately, if it gets that far, they're almost certain to use the same evidence to ask the jury to find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

If she went online or used a basketball yearbook to ID the subject, you are right, it is not a controlled display. But, it can still be used as PC to obtain the warrant. If the Miami-Dade DA is smart, then he/she can obtain an order for an actual "In-person" controlled line up. The line-up would consist of prosecutors and defense attorneys and if the victim selects the assailant immediately and with no hesitation, that is a bad sign for defense. Some will argue that the photo display would incriminate the line-up, due to victim see ing the subject in a photo prior, but all that will be decided at a suppression hearing prior to trial. Thats if a grand jury hearing the evidence determines there is enough for an indictment and charges in the first place.

The identity of the victim is also key. In the Duke case, they were prostitutes/club dancers and were not really credible witnesses. The DA in that case forced the issue on the grand jury and made numerous misconceptions, leading to an indictment that was then dismissed. Sad. In this case, was the victim a credible student, an athlete, cheerleader, etc.

The only additional thoughts I can add are that according to the media report, the wounds are consistent with someone striking the victim in the face with a punch. Can't imagine the force that a 6ft 7in 250 lb man would produce striking a woman in the facial area. But the threats of ordering the victim to undress are even worse.

Thats enough of the First 48/CSI stuff. Now, how did the Minn Athletic Director not know of this for three months?

Canned Goods n Ammo · « **Reply #40 on:** July 29, 2009, 04:08:03 PM »

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on July 29, 2009, 12:09:38 PM

I can and will...she picked him out, he just happened to skip town for 3 weeks while school was in session, the police felt strongly enough about the evidence to arrest him and pursue charges, and those charges remain in place several months later (Likely after additional scrutiny/investigation). I am completely comfortable jumping to the conclusion that he is guilty of this. Is there a very small chance they got the wrong guy? Sure. Could he be found not guilty? Yep. Did he do it? I am completely comfortable saying yes, he probably did.

Can I ask an honest question? (this is by no means meant as a personal attack).

Why do people feel the need to jump to any conclusion?

Certainly the situation doesn't look very good. I completely understand that.

But, what's wrong with saying "I don't know what happened, this will be interesting to watch"

Is there a benefit to reading 2 or 3 news articles (plus Trevor's prior history) and them formulating your own very strong opinion on Trevor Mbakwe's guilt or innocence?

I am not TM's defender by any means, I'm just wondering why people come out with such bold stances on complete strangers. He'll get his day in court. The evidence will come out.

EDIT: Spelling/grammar

4everwarriors · « **Reply #41 on:** July 29, 2009, 07:13:42 PM »

The accuser may be able to identify the defendant by his knee scar.

Ellenson Guerrero · « **Reply #42 on:** July 29, 2009, 08:03:09 PM »

http://ohiostate.scout.com/a.z?s=145&p=2&c=882817

Wow....

NavinRJohnson · « **Reply #43 on:** July 29, 2009, 08:17:43 PM »

Quote from: 2002mualum on July 29, 2009, 04:08:03 PM

But, what's wrong with saying "I don't know what happened, this will be interesting to watch"

I am not TM's defender by any means, I'm just wondering why people come out with such bold stances on complete strangers. He'll get his day in court. The evidence will come out.

What's the difference? Who cares? If you choose to do that, good for you. If I or anyone else choose not to, what impact does that have on anyone's life, yours or otherwise?

What is wrong with suggesting that he probably did it on an internet message board? As you said, he'll get his day in court. If I'm wrong, so be it, I'm wrong. Who has been harmed?

Let me guess, when election time rolls around, you are one of those 'undecided' voters.

Ellenson Guerrero · « **Reply #44 on:** July 29, 2009, 08:25:20 PM »

http://www.twincities.com/ci_12933678?source=most_emailed

more details

Blackhat · « **Reply #45 on:** July 29, 2009, 10:29:25 PM »

That's some pretty vicious stuff that happened to the victim in Miami. Hopefully Mbakwe wasn't the man who did that.

MisterJaylenBrownMU · « **Reply #46 on:** July 30, 2009, 12:04:18 AM »

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but at the very least it's an updated story. Let's hope the allegations aren't true, for the kid's sake.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/52031427.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUX

University of Minnesota athletic director Joel Maturi said Wednesday that, when it comes to Trevor Mbakwe, the school will "do the right thing."

But Maturi isn't sure yet exactly what that means.

Mbakwe, the former St. Bernard's High School star who is a cornerstone of Gophers basketball coach Tubby Smith's incoming recruiting class, is facing a felony aggravated battery charge stemming from an April incident in Miami-Dade County in Florida. Mbakwe was going to school and playing basketball at Miami Dade College at the time.

According to published accounts of the police report:

On April 3 at a Miami apartment complex, a party was being held for the Miami Dade College basketball team. A woman who lived at the complex was walking from her vehicle to her apartment shortly before 3 a.m. when a man rode up to her on a bicycle. She ignored the man, who ultimately dropped his bike, approached the victim and attempted to pull her pants down.

After yelling for help, the victim was hit twice in the face, suffering a fractured cheekbone and a ruptured sinus. Later, the woman identified Mbakwe's photograph after an online search for the Miami Dade College basketball team.

Will Coleman, a teammate of Mbakwe's at Miami Dade, said on Wednesday that Mbakwe attended the party on the night of the incident.

Mbkawe left Miami and returned to Minnesota shortly thereafter. After retaining an attorney, he returned to Florida and was arrested April 28. He has since come back to Minnesota.

Mbakwe's court case is scheduled for Aug. 26.

His Florida attorney, Gregory Samms, said Wednesday he felt Mbakwe was the victim of mistaken identity, noting that another man in the Miami area has been making similar attacks while riding on a bicycle.

"This has been going on while Trevor has been in Minnesota," Samms said. "Anything that happened is inconsistent with Trevor or who he is."

Mbakwe did not return phone calls.

willie warrior · « **Reply #47 on:** July 30, 2009, 07:42:45 AM »

A real class act. But I guess we should give him the benefit of doubt. Innocent until proven guilty.

remember the Duke lacrosse team!

reinko · « **Reply #48 on:** July 30, 2009, 08:15:34 AM »

Yeah, good thing a 3 page thread about this very case doesn't exist in the SB...

Canned Goods n Ammo · « **Reply #49 on:** July 30, 2009, 09:29:40 AM »

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on July 29, 2009, 08:17:43 PM

What's the difference? Who cares? If you choose to do that, good for you. If I or anyone else choose not to, what impact does that have on anyone's life, yours or otherwise?

You bring up a good point, and it doesn't really have any impact on me personally. We agree there. Also, I'm not trying to say that you shouldn't have an opinion (99.9% of this board is opinion).

I'm just asking if there is anything gained by immediately coming to the conclusion that he did it or didn't do it? I mean, at best, you'll get an "I told you so" out of it.

I understand that people like to speculate about sports (schedule, coaching, playing time etc.), but I don't really understand the want/need to for speculate on somebody's innocence/guilt. Again, this isn't a personal attack on you, or saying you can't have an opinion. I'm just trying to understand. I mean, sports are a hobby. Sexual assault is a real life crime.

What is wrong with suggesting that he probably did it on an internet message board? As you said, he'll get his day in court. If I'm wrong, so be it, I'm wrong. Who has been harmed?

Let me guess, when election time rolls around, you are one of those 'undecided' voters.

See, here is another example of jumping to a conclusion based upon limited facts. You don't really know me. You don't know my politics. You don't know my values. How can you jump to the conclusion that I'm an "undecided voter" based upon a few message board comments?

RawdogDX · « **Reply #50 on:** July 30, 2009, 10:58:56 AM »

2002, if we all sat around just waiting for facts to come in this board would be boring and cease to exist.
My guess is he did it. It won't take much to convince me otherwise.

Canned Goods n Ammo · « **Reply #51 on:** July 30, 2009, 11:13:38 AM »

Quote from: RawdogDX on July 30, 2009, 10:58:56 AM

2002, if we all sat around just waiting for facts to come in this board would be boring and cease to exist.
My guess is he did it. It won't take much to convince me otherwise.

I hear you, and maybe you guys are right.

Like I said, 99% of this board is speculation and opinion... I just think speculating on rebounds and assists are a lot different than bold declarations about somebody committing a crime. One speaks to a person's ability to play a game, the other speaks to a person's character.

With all of this said, the situation doesn't smell good for Trevor, I can definitely recognize that.

PuertoRicanNightmare · « **Reply #52 on:** July 30, 2009, 11:33:50 AM »

Quote from: 2002mualum on July 30, 2009, 11:13:38 AM

I hear you, and maybe you guys are right.

Like I said, 99% of this board is speculation and opinion... I just think speculating on rebounds and assists are a lot different than bold declarations about somebody committing a crime. One speaks to a person's ability to play a game, the other speaks to a person's character.

With all of this said, the situation doesn't smell good for Trevor, I can definitely recognize that.

I can't think of a bigger waste of time then trying to stifle opinions on a message board.

Canned Goods n Ammo · « **Reply #53 on:** July 30, 2009, 11:49:13 AM »

Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on July 30, 2009, 11:33:50 AM

I can't think of a bigger waste of time then trying to stifle opinions on a message board.

Bitchin' about an old nickname seems like a bigger waste of time.

Kidding. Kidding.

Anyways, I'll jump off my high horse and let the Trevor speculation continue. Carry on.

ATWizJr · « **Reply #54 on:** July 30, 2009, 12:00:30 PM »

Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on July 30, 2009, 11:33:50 AM

I can't think of a bigger waste of time then trying to stifle opinions on a message board.

especially unsubstantiated opinions.

Jay Bee · « **Reply #55 on:** August 17, 2009, 05:15:25 PM »

Story from the Star Tribune's beat writer today... Mbakwe has got four people that will testify that he was at his apartment when the accuser says she was assaulted... trial is set for September. It's gotta be tough to start the semester off on the right foot when you're in another state, on trial for a felony.--------------

Trevor Mbakwe, one of the top recruits in Gophers men's basketball coach Tubby Smith's incoming class, has several witnesses who can verify that he was "in another location" when a woman says he assaulted her in April near the apartment complex they both live in, according to documents obtained by the Star Tribune today.

Mbakwe's alibi states the former Miami Dade junior college standout, who was charged with felony battery, was at his Miami apartment from 1-9 a.m. on April 3 and "could not have committed the alleged crime."

A woman told Miami police that Mbakwe punched her in the face and tried to pull down her pants before fleeing on a bicycle at 2:54 a.m. that day. The victim suffered a fractured cheekbone. She picked Mbakwe from a police photo lineup after locating the Miami Dade men's basketball roster via an Internet search.

Once his trial begins in September, Mbakwe's alibi states that defense attorney Gregory Samms will call four witnesses, including Mbakwe's former roommate and teammate Darnell Dodson, to support his claim that he was home when the assault occurred.

The Miami Dade men's and women's basketball teams attended a party at Mbakwe's apartment complex that began the night before the assault and ended early the next day. Teammates confirmed that Mbakwe attended the party.

Mbakwe has maintained his innocence. The victim in the case told police in April that she's "100 percent" sure Mbakwe was her "attacker."

If exonerated, Mbakwe, a 6-8, 240-pound forward who played high school basketball at St. Bernard's and Henry Sibley, is expected to be a major contributor for the Gophers next season.

Smith was unavailable for comment Monday. Minnesota athletic director Joel Maturi said last month that the university will "do the right thing" concerning Mbakwe, depending on the outcome of his case.

Chicago_inferiority_complexes · « **Reply #56 on:** August 17, 2009, 06:48:38 PM »

She picked Mbakwe from a police photo lineup after locating the Miami Dade men's basketball roster via an Internet search.

Yeah, that sounds admissable .....

reinko · « **Reply #57 on:** August 17, 2009, 08:03:08 PM »

Think a bigger lie in that article is the claim that Mbakwe is 6'8", kid is 6'6" tops.

wyoMUfan · « **Reply #58 on:** August 18, 2009, 05:00:17 PM »

So he didn't play last season, and this season he is going (maybe/was planning) to play for Minnesota?
I missed this, didn't know he was full of crap when he left MU in the first place.

rugbydrummer · « **Reply #59 on:** August 19, 2009, 04:20:45 PM »

Quote from: lurch91 on July 29, 2009, 12:36:45 PM

What I REALLY want to know is, was Mbakwe wearing his bike helmet? Id hate to think what would ahve happend if he had fallen off his BMX.

Bike safety is very important! ;-)

rugbydrummer · « **Reply #60 on:** August 19, 2009, 04:26:41 PM »

Quote from: wyoMUfan on August 18, 2009, 05:00:17 PM

So he didn't play last season, and this season he is going (maybe/was planning) to play for Minnesota?
I missed this, didn't know he was full of crap when he left MU in the first place.

my other favorite thing? oh, his 18 month old. let's count back to the birthday ... say february 2008? oh that baby was made during MU time fo sho, yeah MU baller baby daddy! hope he is good to his baby mama regardless of this incident.

pillardean · « **Reply #61 on:** August 19, 2009, 04:31:53 PM »

Quote from: rugbydrummer on August 19, 2009, 04:26:41 PM

my other favorite thing? oh, his 18 month old. let's count back to the birthday ... say february 2008? oh that baby was made during MU time fo sho, yeah MU baller baby daddy! hope he is good to his baby mama regardless of this incident.

Baby would have been "Made" 27 months ago in May of 2007, when he was still in High School if I am not mistaken.

rugbydrummer · « **Reply #62 on:** August 19, 2009, 04:43:49 PM »

Quote from: pillardean on August 19, 2009, 04:31:53 PM

Baby would have been "Made" 27 months ago in May of 2007, when he was still in High School if I am not mistaken.

oh phooey ... well that makes more sense as long as it wasn't a premie

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Jay Bee · « **Reply #63 on:** August 21, 2009, 11:16:13 AM »

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/53889277.html

"Unless Gophers athletic director Joel Maturi intervenes, highly touted men's basketball recruit Trevor Mbakwe will start the school year suspended from all team activities, if he is allowed to enroll at all...."

Jay Bee · « **Reply #64 on:** September 04, 2009, 05:51:16 PM »

Note at the Star Tribune -- says Trevor was told by the school that he is being allowed to enroll yesterday. There is an automatic suspension imposed on him - it's now on the athletic director to decide if he plays or not -- and the guy says he will make the decision by Tuesday.
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Trevor Mbakwe, Minnesota’s high profile basketball recruit facing a felony battery charge, in now enrolled at the university, the team said Friday. School officials met recently to discuss his situation and decide if the charge would affect his enrollment.

Mbakwe said Friday that the university let him know he’d been accepted Thursday. Now, it’s up to athletic director Joel Maturi to decide if he’ll lift the automatic suspension imposed on Mbakwe. Maturi said Friday that he'll make a decision about Mbakwe's involvement in preseason activities by Tuesday.

Jay Bee · « **Reply #65 on:** September 08, 2009, 03:14:59 PM »

Jerk face Maturi hasn't decided yet, but letting Trevor practice. (I love the U, but am bitter about no booze at Gophers football games).
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But Maturi says he still has not made a decision on whether Mbakwe will be able to play this season. The Gophers open the season on Nov. 13, a month before Mbakwe is scheduled to stand trial.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/basketball/ncaa/09/08/minnesota.ap/index.html?section=si_latest#ixzz0QY21KlPn

GGGG · « **Reply #66 on:** September 08, 2009, 03:23:58 PM »

Quote from: Jay Bee on September 08, 2009, 03:14:59 PM

Jerk face Maturi hasn't decided yet, but letting Trevor practice. (I love the U, but am bitter about no booze at Gophers football games).

"Jerk face???" I didn't think they allowed middle schoolers to become members.

Jay Bee · « **Reply #67 on:** September 08, 2009, 03:29:29 PM »

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 08, 2009, 03:23:58 PM

"Jerk face???" I didn't think they allowed middle schoolers to become members.

Nice work, guy. If wit were whiskers, Erin Rodgers would wake up with you on his face.

Jay Bee · « **Reply #68 on:** October 13, 2009, 07:44:18 PM »

http://www.startribune.com/blogs/64154217.html?elr=KArks47cQiU47cQiU47cQULPQL7PQLanchO7DiU

Athletic directard Joel Maturi is going to give it a few more weeks before deciding on Trevor's fate. There is no reason I can see to wait on making a decision, other than a) hoping the felony charge gets dropped or b) Tubby needs to see how good the team is. I love the Gophers, but I can't figure out why Maturi needs to wait to make a decision. He's had all the information he's going to have for a long time.

At any rate, Mbakwe will be participating in Tubby's Tipoff in a few days.

TJ · « **Reply #69 on:** October 15, 2009, 04:15:33 PM »

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 29, 2009, 08:16:25 AM

People need to stop the "innocent until proven guilty" line. MUScoop, and our opinions, are not a court of law. For instance, Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire were never convicted of using steroids (or the like) but if you don't believe that they used them...well...your a moron.

I missed this story the first time through, but I got this reaction when I made a similar argument early in the Clark thread.

I would prefer people didn't get out their lynchin' rope and torches the second any news story about sexual assault comes out, MU related or not. Of course this is not a court of law, but if you don't believe that the court of public opinion has the power to ruin the life of an innocent person accused of a serious crime...well...you're a moron.

Jay Bee · « **Reply #70 on:** October 31, 2009, 12:42:59 PM »

The University of Minnesota is expected to release details of AD Maturi's decision on Monday. All indications are that Trevor will not be allowed to play while the charges and case is pending. There is a standing trial date set for December 14 - we'll see if a trial actually occurs at that point in time.

Minnesota is ranked #18 and #25 in the coaches and AP polls, respectively. While a lot of people say Trevor provides some amazing physical inside presence, the reality is they will be a very good team with or with Mbakwe. They still have plenty who can rebound, including 6'7" senior Damian Johnson, 6'10" 260 lbs sophomore Colton Iverson and 6'11" 240 lbs sophomore Ralph Sampson III. RSIII will be an absolute stud - whether its this year or next I'm not sure.

(not to mention 6-8" freshman Royce White, who is the real deal)

4everwarriors · « **Reply #71 on:** October 31, 2009, 01:24:16 PM »

Can the woman in question verify Trevor's "amazing, physical inside presence?"

Steak · « **Reply #72 on:** November 01, 2009, 01:43:34 AM »

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 31, 2009, 01:24:16 PM

Can the woman in question verify Trevor's "amazing, physical inside presence?"

I would imagine he's just as disappointing in bed as he was on the court

IAmMarquette · « **Reply #73 on:** November 01, 2009, 01:48:28 PM »

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 31, 2009, 01:24:16 PM

Can the woman in question verify Trevor's "amazing, physical inside presence?"

Take a bow.

Tigidal · « **Reply #74 on:** November 02, 2009, 10:36:36 AM »

MINNEAPOLIS -- Junior forward Trevor Mbakwe will not be allowed to play for Minnesota until his pending court case on a felony battery charge is cleared up.

Athletics director Joel Maturi announced Monday his decision on Mbakwe's status. Mbakwe faces a December trial for an alleged attack on a woman in Miami in April. His attorney has said he's innocent.

Mbakwe can attend classes, practice and participate in team functions, but Maturi says he won't be able to play for the Gophers (No. 18 ESPN/USA Today, No. 25 AP) until the legal matter "has been resolved in a satisfactory manner." Mbakwe can't suit up for home games or travel with the team on the road.

Mbakwe spent an injury-plagued freshman season at Marquette. He transferred to a junior college in Miami, then to Minnesota.

Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4616237

MU_Iceman · « **Reply #75 on:** November 02, 2009, 10:49:30 AM »

As much as I would have loved to have had Trevor's presence in our frontcourt, maybe his departure was a blessing after all...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4616237

I'm just happy to see that the Gophers are taking a more responsible approach to player / personnel discipline than a certain B-East school in Kentucky that wears Red, Black, and White...

NCMUFan · « **Reply #76 on:** November 02, 2009, 11:20:52 AM »

Trevor who?

RawdogDX · « **Reply #77 on:** November 02, 2009, 11:35:38 AM »

Quote from: warrior07 on August 17, 2009, 06:48:38 PM

She picked Mbakwe from a police photo lineup after locating the Miami Dade men's basketball roster via an Internet search.

Yeah, that sounds admissable .....

How could any trained cop make that kind of boneheaded mistake. I wonder if they printed the pictures and put them in with a few dozen other mug shots. If that is the case they bettern not have had any of their jersey showing.

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