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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: keefe on April 21, 2016, 12:01:58 PM
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http://heavy.com/entertainment/2016/04/did-prince-die-dead-is-death-who-cause-alive-died/
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Hope it's not true. He's a legend of my generation.
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Another internet hoax?
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/04/21/authorities-investigating-death-at-princes-paisley-park/?wpisrc=al_alert-national
AP: Prince, legendary musician, dies at 57
By Elahe Izadi
April 21 at 1:11 PM
UPDATE:
UPDATE: Legendary musician Prince has died at the age of 57, his publicist confirmed to the Associated Press on Thursday.
ORIGINAL STORY:
Authorities are investigating a death at Prince’s Paisley Park studio complex in Minnesota, the Carver County’s Sherrif’s Office confirmed Thursday.
The sheriff’s office hasn’t released details about the identity of the person who died or the circumstances.
Deputies first arrived at the music icon’s recording compound at 9:43 a.m. local time, responding to a medical situation, Carver County Sheriff Chief Deputy Jason Kamerud told CBS Minnesota.
Deputies are on scene of a death investigation at Paisley Park in Chanhassen. More info to follow. -814
— Carver County S.O. (@CarverSheriff) April 21, 2016
Prince, 57, was hospitalized last week. His private plane reportedly made an emergency landing in Illinois following concerts in Georgia.
The music legend held a party at Paisley Park on Saturday. He posted a photo early Sunday morning showing a scene from the Chanhassen, Minn. compound.
pic.twitter.com/gU3F6MciMf
— Prince (@prince) April 17, 2016
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Hope it's not true. He's a legend of my generation.
Fabulous talent.
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How could he just leave us standing, alone in a world that is so cold?
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It's official.
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How could he just leave us standing, alone in a world that is so cold?
You are evil for making me laugh at that.
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I went to junior high with Prince. Amazing talent, even then. Sad loss for the music industry.
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Bad things do come in 3's. Can't believe Prince died, Chyna died, and Curt Schilling getting fired all happened on the same day.
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So he really is "The Artist Formerly Known As"
Too soon? I feel like it's too soon.
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Bad things do come in 3's. Can't believe Prince died, Chyna died, and Curt Schilling getting fired all happened on the same day.
How could you not include Wallygeddon?
Or should I say, Shadepocalypse?
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Best Super Bowl halftime show ever.
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This is too bad -- RIP - what a talented individual that brought a lot of joy to the world
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wow! way too young. crime scene cops investigating. with all due respect, i never got into his stuff except for a few songs. RIP dude
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wow! way too young. crime scene cops investigating. with all due respect, i never got into his stuff except for a few songs. RIP dude
There have been rumors in the past few days that he had a serious illness that was previously undisclosed. We'll see....
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There have been rumors in the past few days that he had a serious illness that was previously undisclosed. We'll see....
It sounds liek that with him cancelling shows in Atlanta then an emergency plane landing.
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One of my all-time favorite guitar players.
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Purple Rain is one the very best, terrible movies of all time.
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So he really is "The Artist Formerly Known As"
Too soon? I feel like it's too soon.
Well, you did wait almost an hour.
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One of my all-time favorite guitar players.
Yes, very underrated. He had a deep liking for metal music, but did not portray it in his albums, but sometimes in his live performances. 2004 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame concert is an example and of course the Super Bowl in the pouring rain, which is attached. Enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Fsfn6FNX4
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Bad things do come in 3's. Can't believe Prince died, Chyna died, and Curt Schilling getting fired all happened on the same day.
The first two involve death, and the cessation of human existence on this mortal coil.
The third is an ex jock losing his job. He is still alive, healthy, and likely able to work for another employer. No longer working for ESPN is barely even a bad thing...much less an equivalency to death, on the scale of bad things.
The actual saying here is "death comes in 3s"...lets wait for the third death to complete our tally, and leave Shilling's job loss off the death list...ok?
In fact why not just add the death of the Pearl; Dwayne Washington of Syracuse? 3 deaths
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The first two involve death, and the cessation of human existence on this mortal coil.
The third is an ex jock losing his job. He is still alive, healthy, and likely able to work for another employer. No longer working for ESPN is barely even a bad thing...much less an equivalency to death, on the scale of bad things.
The actual saying here is "death comes in 3s"...lets wait for the third death to complete our tally, and leave Shilling's job loss off the death list...ok?
In fact why not just add the death of the Pearl; Dwayne Washington of Syracuse? 3 deaths
Pearl was a magician.
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I had a new grandson born a few weeks ago. His dad is an avid guitarist and they considered baby names like Hendrix, Stevie (Ray Vaughn) and Eric (Clapton).
In the end they opted for Christian as a first name...ie no guitar player reference (to my knowledge)
His middle name, however is Prince...yes ...named for Prince.
How sad that just as our family is enjoying our new "Prince" ... his namesake has died. RIP Prince
BTW odd naming reasons runs in our family. My brother is a car nut, and loved the Shelby Mustang. He named his daughter Shelby.
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The first two involve death, and the cessation of human existence on this mortal coil.
The third is an ex jock losing his job. He is still alive, healthy, and likely able to work for another employer. No longer working for ESPN is barely even a bad thing...much less an equivalency to death, on the scale of bad things.
The actual saying here is "death comes in 3s"...lets wait for the third death to complete our tally, and leave Shilling's job loss off the death list...ok?
In fact why not just add the death of the Pearl; Dwayne Washington of Syracuse? 3 deaths
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I sincerely apologize if you meant sarcasm... no teal...it just looked to me like an odd equivalency.
Guess I am stupid. I can only aspire to your advanced cerebrally high tuned sense of humor. lol
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I sincerely apologize if you meant sarcasm... no teal...it just looked to me like an odd equivalency.
Guess I am stupid. I can only aspire to your advanced cerebrally high tuned sense of humor. lol
First time I have ever been called advanced in just about anything. No harm meant Hou, RIP to the man in purple.
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Bad things do come in 3's. Can't believe Prince died, Chyna died, and Curt Schilling getting fired all happened on the same day.
Isn't using Prince and Chyna in the same sentence akin to using Steph Curry and Derrick Wilson together?
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Isn't using Prince and Chyna in the same sentence akin to using Steph Curry and Derrick Wilson together?
No offense to Derrick, but give Prince a little credit.
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I had a new grandson born a few weeks ago. His dad is an avid guitarist and they considered baby names like Hendrix, Stevie (Ray Vaughn) and Eric (Clapton).
In the end they opted for Christian as a first name...ie no guitar player reference (to my knowledge)
His middle name, however is Prince...yes ...named for Prince.
How sad that just as our family is enjoying our new "Prince" ... his namesake has died. RIP Prince
BTW odd naming reasons runs in our family. My brother is a car nut, and loved the Shelby Mustang. He named his daughter Shelby.
Hope nobody in your family likes Arrogant Bastard Ale.
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From "An Evening With Kevin Smith" he tells a really funny story about meeting Prince. Be warned video is 30 minutes
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8LhcParuzpc
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I had a new grandson born a few weeks ago. His dad is an avid guitarist and they considered baby names like Hendrix, Stevie (Ray Vaughn) and Eric (Clapton).
In the end they opted for Christian as a first name...ie no guitar player reference (to my knowledge)
His middle name, however is Prince...yes ...named for Prince.
How sad that just as our family is enjoying our new "Prince" ... his namesake has died. RIP Prince
BTW odd naming reasons runs in our family. My brother is a car nut, and loved the Shelby Mustang. He named his daughter Shelby.
Charlie Christian was a very influential guitarist
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Charlie Christian was a very influential guitarist
Sister Christian was a very influential song.
Especially for those who are motoring.
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Charlie Christian was a very influential guitarist
Thanks, knowing him, I'd bet my son in law chose "Christian" accordingly. and the baby was in fact named for a guitarist. Oh well...its better than Hendrix.
Christian Prince's full initials are CPS (like Child Protective Services)...I had some good jokes with mommy and daddy over that, too
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Hope nobody in your family likes Arrogant Bastard Ale.
I see you must have met my dad.
lol
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I went to junior high with Prince. Amazing talent, even then. Sad loss for the music industry.
At Bryant off 38th? Not far from my K-8 on 38th & Pleasant. (Although I'm waaaaaaaaaaaay younger than thou.)
Peace to the #23 bus.
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At Bryant off 38th? Not far from my K-8 on 38th & Pleasant. (Although I'm waaaaaaaaaaaay younger than thou.)
Peace to the #23 bus.
I was born into a house on 45th and Drew, just off France Ave, then we moved to Fuller, off France, in Edina (about 57th) off Minnehaha creek. We moved to WI when I was in second grade.
I know the high school was Southwest for this Mpls area...dont remember the Jr high. I went to St Peters on France Ave.
Prince was a little younger, but I did play with Vic Powers son.lol
I am old enough to remember when Southdale first opened and when Zoilo Versailles took the Twins to the World Series
My question for you two is:
How far were these spots from your area was I? As a 6 year old I was never allowed far from home. lol
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I have never felt more like I'm on a social media island as I do today. I couldn't change the station/channel fast enough when 95% of Prince's songs came on the radio or MTV when I was in high school.
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I was quite surprised Prince's death warranted a special news break-in on NBC today.
Where do you draw the line? Does Eric Clapton get a break-in? Bono? Steven Tyler? Tina Turner or Madonna?
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I was quite surprised Prince's death warranted a special news break-in on NBC today.
Where do you draw the line? Does Eric Clapton get a break-in? Bono? Steven Tyler? Tina Turner or Madonna?
I don't know, but the guy won 7 grammys, a Golden Globe, an Academy Award, Super Bowl half time show and sold like 120 million records going head to head against Michael Jackson and Madonna in their prime. Plus he was young and not expected death.
But now it could be a drug overdose, which makes him looked bad, since he and management have always denied due to his health habits.
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RIP.
Sounds like drugs may have claimed another. Sad.
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Guy didn't hold a candle to Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes.
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I have never felt more like I'm on a social media island as I do today.
Was Mike Lovell tweeting again?
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Guy didn't hold a candle to Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes.
I would agree if you had said George Thorogood and The Delaware Destroyers...
Seriously, though, Prince was a transcendent talent
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What public restroom would Chyna be allowed to use, hey?
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Only Southside came up with the lyrics...It ain't the meat, it's the motion.
Case closed
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Hoping the reports out here tonight are wrong
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Doubt it, ai na?
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The drugs angle from TMZ is intriguing since there are quite a few high profile stories of Prince making an effort not to have drugs in his system back in the 80s and 90s. Fellow artists and celebrities seemed to note that he took his high in the performance. Of course, that was two decades ago so maybe late in life the drugs filled a void.
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I was born into a house on 45th and Drew, just off France Ave, then we moved to Fuller, off France, in Edina (about 57th) off Minnehaha creek. We moved to WI when I was in second grade.
I know the high school was Southwest for this Mpls area...dont remember the Jr high. I went to St Peters on France Ave.
Prince was a little younger, but I did play with Vic Powers son.lol
I am old enough to remember when Southdale first opened and when Zoilo Versailles took the Twins to the World Series
My question for you two is:
How far were these spots from your area was I? As a 6 year old I was never allowed far from home. lol
45th and Drew; it's a bit of a distance. Today, it's the difference b/w fairly well off and not so well off. Growing up in the late 70's and early 80's, I was in a duplex (top floor) we paid $200/month for.
I (post-MU) had a home very near Southdale... big time mix... go a few blocks, the worlds are different still.
But, all very close. No reason for us city folks to go to a 45th and Drew as a kid, but today I still go to a my vet (pets) near there, although I'm more than 10 miles away today.
Your Drew spot to my grade school:
(http://i.imgur.com/XnUc4b7.png?1)
Prince's Jr HS to my K-8:
(http://i.imgur.com/U5wVgjg.png?1)
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Only Southside came up with the lyrics...It ain't the meat, it's the motion.
Case closed
Well, Chili, I know you smaller guys try to find solace in those words...
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45th and Drew; it's a bit of a distance. Today, it's the difference b/w fairly well off and not so well off. Growing up in the late 70's and early 80's, I was in a duplex (top floor) we paid $200/month for.
I (post-MU) had a home very near Southdale... big time mix... go a few blocks, the worlds are different still.
But, all very close. No reason for us city folks to go to a 45th and Drew as a kid, but today I still go to a my vet (pets) near there, although I'm more than 10 miles away today.
Your Drew spot to my grade school:
(http://i.imgur.com/XnUc4b7.png?1)
Prince's Jr HS to my K-8:
(http://i.imgur.com/U5wVgjg.png?1)
Thanks for the locale info.
BTW, Did you go to Twins games at the old Met? My very first in person sports memory (which I can still envision today) was a towering 500 ft Killebrew homer beating the Tigers 1-0. The Killer was my first sports hero. Good guy
My mom, now retired in Scotsdale AZ, grew up in Finlayson (as did my deceased dad), but she still thinks of Mpls as her hometown. We also enjoyed many nice times swimming and fishing on upper Pine Lake, near Finntown.
One of my favorite trivia stories involved Pizza. Every Friday my Dad would eat lunch at a place on University with his sales buddies, and order an extra pizza, which he'd bring home for our dinner. While enjoying our evening meal my dad explained that "Jim" at the pizza place was thinking about this crazy idea that his wife Rose had to freeze pizzas and sell them in supermarkets. Well, the Totinos pursued that crazy idea to some significant success. Small world.
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Thanks for the locale info.
BTW, Did you go to Twins games at the old Met? My very first in person sports memory (which I can still envision today) was a towering 500 ft Killebrew homer beating the Tigers 1-0. The Killer was my first sports hero. Good guy
My mom, now retired in Scotsdale AZ, grew up in Finlayson (as did my deceased dad), but she still thinks of Mpls as her hometown. We also enjoyed many nice times swimming and fishing on upper Pine Lake, near Finntown.
One of my favorite trivia stories involved Pizza. Every Friday my Dad would eat lunch at a place on University with his sales buddies, and order an extra pizza, which he'd bring home for our dinner. While enjoying our evening meal my dad explained that "Jim" at the pizza place was thinking about this crazy idea that his wife Rose had to freeze pizzas and sell them in supermarkets. Well, the Totinos pursued that crazy idea to some significant success. Small world.
Great story on the pizza... forgot what a big roll Rose had in the frozen pizza movement...
I did go the Met, but was very young. Always remembered it as being enormous because I was a little kid.
Killer was a very nice man (met him well after he had retired..his career on the field was near its end when I arrived into the world). I believe he passed in Scottsdale.
Strange?.. but, the last time a famous death hit me as hard as Prince was Kirby's passing. I went down to the Dome that night after hearing the news. Ran into people I knew but had to sit alone because I was losing it and didn't want to be sitting there shedding tears over a ballplayer.
But.. Prince, Kirby.. both so important to the city and state.. and my childhood. RIP.
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At Bryant off 38th? Not far from my K-8 on 38th & Pleasant. (Although I'm waaaaaaaaaaaay younger than thou.)
Peace to the #23 bus.
Yup. I actually grew up at 57th and Russell - went to SW High. But the 70's was the early years of "bussing," which is what they called the early attempts at integrating the schools. So instead of walking to Susan B. Anthony like my older sibs, I was packed off to The 'hood for seventh and eighth grades. Good experience. Prince played the piano for the choir some time, as did I. But he was so much better than me it was laughable.
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Guy didn't hold a candle to Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes.
wait, what?! SSJ is dead??!
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apparently the purple one had a hip replacement and the pain killers came from the recovery period so he might have been clean all those years ago
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Well, Chili, I know you smaller guys try to find solace in those words...
There are soooo many ways I could go with this.
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Sad to see him go. There weren't many live performs like him. The man played every instrument under the sun and wasn't afraid to show it off. He also wrote a whole bunch of songs that became hits for other people. RIP.
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There are soooo many ways I could go with this.
We should take this off-line. We don't want the hoi polloi eavesdropping on Schroeder 10 alumni secrets...
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Hey, did you guys hear that Prince died?
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Hey, did you guys hear that Prince died?
Charles, William or Henry?
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interesting story around prince's death. gov scott walker tweeted his condolences and the liberal/lefties went ape poopies all over it. the usual go to hell, kick walker in the balls, hope he dies of aids and syphilis, etc etc.
well the ironic thing is, prince was a social conservative. a jehovah witness, anti-abortion, anti gay marriage, etc. my point is, the lefties just assumed prince was one of them b/c he was an artist. if they really knew his beliefs, they would probably be protesting outside his house
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Whoops! MTV Accidentally Played Fresh Prince During Prince Tribute Marathon
http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Whoops-MTV-Accidentally-Played-Fresh-Prince-During-Prince-Tribute-Marathon-133027.html
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interesting story around prince's death. gov scott walker tweeted his condolences and the liberal/lefties went ape poopies all over it. the usual go to hell, kick walker in the balls, hope he dies of aids and syphilis, etc etc.
well the ironic thing is, prince was a social conservative. a jehovah witness, anti-abortion, anti gay marriage, etc. my point is, the lefties just assumed prince was one of them b/c he was an artist. if they really knew his beliefs, they would probably be protesting outside his house
Wrong board. And wrong.
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Wrong board. And wrong.
oops-sorry! my apologies-forgot!
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There were thousands of people wearing purple around the MSFT campus today. It is amazing how many people were fans.
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Maybe someone can nudge my memory on a Prince story. A few years ago I remember hearing a story that Prince was buried away at his home studio for years. There is treasure trove (like Eddie and the Cruisers Lost Tapes) of innovative highly stylized recorded songs, written by Prince....in the hundreds...that the public has never heard.
If this is true...I hope it is...maybe post mortem...we'll enjoy years of "new" Prince work never released during his life.
Was this just my fever dream, or does someone else remember hearing about the same?
With his passing this memory has been bugging me. Thanks for your help, in advance
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Yup. I actually grew up at 57th and Russell - went to SW High. But the 70's was the early years of "bussing," which is what they called the early attempts at integrating the schools. So instead of walking to Susan B. Anthony like my older sibs, I was packed off to The 'hood for seventh and eighth grades. Good experience. Prince played the piano for the choir some time, as did I. But he was so much better than me it was laughable.
I wrote JayBee on this, and it sounds like you were much closer to where I lived from birth to 8yrs old....Here is what I sent JayBee:
..."I was born into a house on 45th and Drew, just off France Ave, then we moved to Fuller, off France, in Edina (about 57th) off Minnehaha creek. We moved to WI when I was in second grade.
I know the high school was Southwest for this Mpls area...dont remember the Jr high. I went to St Peters on France Ave.
Prince was a little younger, but I did play with Vic Powers (twins 1st baseman) son.lol
I am old enough to remember when Southdale first opened and when Zoilo Versailles took the Twins to the World Series
My question for you two is:
How far were these spots from your area was I? As a 6 year old I was never allowed far from home. lol..."
With your post...you look to be a neighbor...although in differing time areas ( I left in '65) My Fuller house was basically 57th 4 blocks off of France Ave. SW was the HS for the area. Was Pershing a grade school or Jr high, too? I remember Pershing park beyond the creek. My grade school was St Peters...that modernistic church on france with the 7 spires, and worship in the round (some famous Finn architect, I think). We'd toy shop at Clancy's the Red owl supermarket was behind our house on Drew, and if I remember there was a movie theater along France, too.
Do any our memories align?
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Maybe someone can nudge my memory on a Prince story. A few years ago I remember hearing a story that Prince was buried away at his home studio for years. There is treasure trove (like Eddie and the Cruisers Lost Tapes) of innovative highly stylized recorded songs, written by Prince....in the hundreds...that the public has never heard.
If this is true...I hope it is...maybe post mortem...we'll enjoy years of "new" Prince work never released during his life.
Was this just my fever dream, or does someone else remember hearing about the same?
With his passing this memory has been bugging me. Thanks for your help, in advance
That's the problem with dying. You gotta work harder than when you were alive.
Lots of CDs to be put out.
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Maybe someone can nudge my memory on a Prince story. A few years ago I remember hearing a story that Prince was buried away at his home studio for years. There is treasure trove (like Eddie and the Cruisers Lost Tapes) of innovative highly stylized recorded songs, written by Prince....in the hundreds...that the public has never heard.
If this is true...I hope it is...maybe post mortem...we'll enjoy years of "new" Prince work never released during his life.
Was this just my fever dream, or does someone else remember hearing about the same?
With his passing this memory has been bugging me. Thanks for your help, in advance
http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/22/media/prince-vault/index.html?sr=fbCNN042216/prince-vault/0330PMStoryLink&linkId=23752231
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Great story on the pizza... forgot what a big roll Rose had in the frozen pizza movement...
I did go the Met, but was very young. Always remembered it as being enormous because I was a little kid.
Killer was a very nice man (met him well after he had retired..his career on the field was near its end when I arrived into the world). I believe he passed in Scottsdale.
Strange?.. but, the last time a famous death hit me as hard as Prince was Kirby's passing. I went down to the Dome that night after hearing the news. Ran into people I knew but had to sit alone because I was losing it and didn't want to be sitting there shedding tears over a ballplayer.
But.. Prince, Kirby.. both so important to the city and state.. and my childhood. RIP.
Both guys are Minny icons, so special, unique and gifted in each of their fields . Mpls can be real proud of both guys.
When my Dad was with the Mpls junior Jaycees (young business types) they wrote and recorded a pro Mpls 45rpm record...I still have somewhere, which included a catchy tune and the words:
"..Where do the Lakers run six foot four...
Where do the Gophers run up the score...
In Minneapolis Minn..."
Twin City pride, baby
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http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/22/media/prince-vault/index.html?sr=fbCNN042216/prince-vault/0330PMStoryLink&linkId=23752231
Thanks....looks like the vault actually exists...lets hope they get produced and released, and his heirs consent...Prince music deserves to live on
This linked article satisfies my nagging memory as this part stuck with and excited me when I first heard it ....namely that:..."
Prince's producers and friends have said some of his best music is sitting dormant in the vault...."
Wouldnt it be cool if his best work is yet to be heard?
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Thanks....looks like the vault actually exists...lets hope they get produced and released, and his heirs consent...Prince music deserves to live on
This linked article satisfies my nagging memory as this part stuck with and excited me when I first heard it ....namely that:..."
Prince's producers and friends have said some of his best music is sitting dormant in the vault...."
Wouldnt it be cool if his best work is yet to be heard?
They always joke about albums and artist's estates making millions after death. With Prince we could, depending on execution of his estate and the vault, have new Prince albums coming out for MANY years.
As for the drug stuff, he'd been having troubles with his hips for awhile. While I'd be surprised if this was a "classic rockstar" kind of OD and more some powerful prescription painkillers taking over as we've seen happen to many people, famous and not.
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(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/music/2016/04/22/princedeath-arts--xlarge_trans++r8d7ZdL3UeJuY9b3fz3l_TqObTaZ8__cfM6-pyzl7VM.jpg)
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There were thousands of people wearing purple around the MSFT campus today. It is amazing how many people were fans.
I was in heathrow today and the same. Crazy losing Bowie and Prince this year. Bad year for the iconic music genius.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3555292/Prince-s-former-drug-dealer-reveals-extent-addiction.html
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3555292/Prince-s-former-drug-dealer-reveals-extent-addiction.html
The Daily Mail is roughly one step below The Star when it comes to reliable journalism.
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That article says that he was "cremated in an intimate ceremony." My goodness...I hope that is just sloppy writing.
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Here is the NFL link to Prince Super Bowl Performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT4Tn5ztwdA
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3555292/Prince-s-former-drug-dealer-reveals-extent-addiction.html
wtf? Are you the guy who goes to a wake and brings up the dead's drinking problem?
Here is a news flash: The Grateful Dead, the Stones, Led Zep, Bob Dylan, BB King all did drugs. Their art is what matters.
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wtf? Are you the guy who goes to a wake and brings up the dead's drinking problem?
Here is a news flash: The Grateful Dead, the Stones, Led Zep, Bob Dylan, BB King all did drugs. Their art is what matters.
Have you ever attended the wake of someone whose cause of death is unknown?
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wtf? Are you the guy who goes to a wake and brings up the dead's drinking problem?
Here is a news flash: The Grateful Dead, the Stones, Led Zep, Bob Dylan, BB King all did drugs. Their art is what matters.
I love the art, unfortunately the art dies young. So many kids worship these guys, do what these guys do....and end up dead early. I posted the graphic just the other day, average age of death of a male popular musician...57 years old...the same as Prince. Sad. Doesn't take away from the art, but how many people have we lost early due to drugs...athletes, musicians, film, etc? It is sad. I'm not putting my head in the sand, we all have our foibles.
To answer your question, no...not that guy, but if the guy died young, I and others will say what a shame it was and what could have been.
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Have you ever attended the wake of someone whose cause of death is unknown?
No. It was pretty clear the 14 friends I lost in OIF and OEF were killed by IEDs, AK rounds, RPGs, or a helo crashing at night.
But if the cause was unknown I sure as sh1t wouldn't be talking about the possibility of a drug overdose. From your comment I guess you feel that is somehow appropriate.
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I love the art, unfortunately the art dies young. So many kids worship these guys, do what they guys do....and end up dead early. I posted the graphic just the other day, average age of death of a male popular musician...57 years old...the same as Prince. Sad. Doesn't take away from the art, but how many people have we lost early due to drugs...athletes, musicians, film, etc? It is sad. I'm not putting my head in the sand, we all have our foibles.
To answer your question, no...not that guy, but if the guy died young, I and others will say what a shame it was and what could have been.
I think there is a reason why right brain folks use drugs. As a left brain guy, where method, process, precision, and documentation are crucial, the use of mind altering substances would be counterproductive.
But Jerry Garcia was at his best on acid with a Stratocaster in his hands and I never once was appalled that he was trippin'.
There is a great documentary by Mike Fleiss about Garcia and Weir, The Other One, in which Weir asserts that Garcia's mortality was a victim of cheese burgers and french fries as much as his drug habit.
Garcia was the Dead and there was no Dead without the Electric Kool-Aid zeitgeist.
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I think there is a reason why right brain folks use drugs. As a left brain guy, where method, process, precision, and documentation are crucial, the use of mind altering substances would be counterproductive.
But Jerry Garcia was at his best on acid with a Stratocaster in his hands and I never once was appalled that he was trippin'.
There is a great documentary by Mike Fleiss about Garcia and Weir, The Other One, in which Weir asserts that Garcia's mortality was a victim of cheese burgers and french fries as much as his drug habit.
Garcia was the Dead and there was no Dead without the Electric Kool-Aid zeitgeist.
I actually agree with some of this, but even guys like Steve Jobs (would you say he is left brain or right brain) used LSD. Yes, it can potentially take you to a higher plane, but there are plenty of these guys (I'm not saying Prince) that are just morons trying to get high.
It's sad, in my opinion. For those of us that love the art, you can argue some of the art was achieved from the usage...I'll give you that. Certainly not all of it. Many greats lost very young.
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Both guys are Minny icons, so special, unique and gifted in each of their fields . Mpls can be real proud of both guys.
When my Dad was with the Mpls junior Jaycees (young business types) they wrote and recorded a pro Mpls 45rpm record...I still have somewhere, which included a catchy tune and the words:
"..Where do the Lakers run six foot four...
Where do the Gophers run up the score...
In Minneapolis Minn..."
Twin City pride, baby
I thought about this when I saw pictures and videos of the tributes in Minneapolis and surrounding areas.
Who would carry the Minny torch now?
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I actually agree with some of this, but even guys like Steve Jobs (would you say he is left brain or right brain) used LSD. Yes, it can potentially take you to a higher plane, but there are plenty of these guys (I'm not saying Prince) that are just morons trying to get high.
It's sad, in my opinion. For those of us that love the art, you can argue some of the art was achieved from the usage...I'll give you that. Certainly not all of it. Many greats lost very young.
Is the genius of Sid Vicious less biting or sharp-edged without the magnifying glass of heroin? Probably. But would his creative spark been any more prolific without it? We don't have that answer and we never will because of the needle.
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Who would carry the Minny torch now?
Richard Pitino.
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Is the genius of Sid Vicious less biting or sharp-edged without the magnifying glass of heroin? Probably. But would his creative spark been any more prolific without it? We don't have that answer and we never will because of the needle.
Correct, we will never know.
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Yup. I actually grew up at 57th and Russell - went to SW High. But the 70's was the early years of "bussing," which is what they called the early attempts at integrating the schools. So instead of walking to Susan B. Anthony like my older sibs, I was packed off to The 'hood for seventh and eighth grades. Good experience. Prince played the piano for the choir some time, as did I. But he was so much better than me it was laughable.
You and Houston are basically Edina/Richfield kids :)
I actually lived for awhile near where you grew up (not in childhood though)... Armatage, that is. Just barely still in SW Mpls.
I grew up north of 38th...
BTW, at Sabathani Community Center (old Bryant jr hs) next Saturday there is a tribute to Prince.. 1-6pm. "Prince Block Party"... I might swing through for a minute...
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Richard Pitino.
Haha.
My guess is Bob Dylan or Garrison Keillor.
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Haha.
My guess is Bob Dylan or Garrison Keillor.
No Sacar?
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wtf? Are you the guy who goes to a wake and brings up the dead's drinking problem?
Here is a news flash: The Grateful Dead, the Stones, Led Zep, Bob Dylan, BB King all did drugs. Their art is what matters.
Chicos takes great glee when he can criticize a black man.
Just as he reveled in an illegal immigrant murdering a young girl so he could make a point.
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wtf? Are you the guy who goes to a wake and brings up the dead's drinking problem?
Here is a news flash: The Grateful Dead, the Stones, Led Zep, Bob Dylan, BB King all did drugs. Their art is what matters.
ditto +googal ( my five year old grandgirl was asking me today "what is the biggest number?")
We measure/remember each other based on what we have done for the public, society, the rest of the world. What you do to yourself is none of our business,.... until and unless it impacts the other public side...
....oddly, and counter-intuitively, drugs might even enhance/expand musical artistry....the 60s and 70s were heavily fueled by them and they produced more music and innovation than the rest of the last two centuries. The neocortex and thalamus are the two primary areas involved in consciousness, creativity, imagination, etc....certain drugs enhance these areas. You are right, here keefe
Anticipating CBB will see Prince's habit as unconnected to mind expansion or artistry, lets also note...Anxiety and insomnia are patterns we see with the extremely active minds of musical genius ( I am rarely anxious and I sleep well, ...and I am the worst musician on this planet-lol). Madonna, Lady Gaga, Jimi Hendrix, Michael Jackson, Elvis, etc, all suffered this. That Prince self medicated this is of no concern to me especially on his death.
CBB ...I have seen you get totally bent when someone disrespects one your heroes on death, why not understand others are like that too,.... even when the dead arent one of your favs
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Have you ever attended the wake of someone whose cause of death is unknown?
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Yup. I attended the funeral service and wake of an opera singer (knew her live in boyfriend for decades). It was respectful, loving...just great.
Weeks later, I learned it was ruled a suicide. This...Got me thinking a lot...and later arriving at a simple conclusion ...that cause was immaterial, and I am glad not to have known.
Its the memory of her life, and the mutual support among survivors that is important...I'll never ask about the cause again, as it doesnt change the result, and its immaterial as to why I am there. Death/wakes are a celebration of life...whether you drove, walked or took the bus...its the same destination.
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Yup. I attended the funeral service and wake of an opera singer (knew her live in boyfriend for decades). It was respectful, loving...just great.
Weeks later, I learned it was ruled a suicide. This...Got me thinking a lot...and later arriving at a simple conclusion ...that cause was immaterial, and I am glad not to have known.
Its the memory of her life, and the mutual support among survivors that is important...I'll never ask about the cause again, as it doesnt change the result, and its immaterial as to why I am there. Death/wakes are a celebration of life...whether you drove, walked or took the bus...its the same destination.
Good words here.
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CBB ...I have seen you get totally bent when someone disrespects one your heroes on death, why not understand others are like that too,.... even when the dead arent one of your favs
I happen to love Prince, so I have no clue what you are talking about. I also stated, if you read, that I can absolutely see the mind expansion component. If you read, I merely brought up that it is a shame that we have lost talented artists at young ages. On average, about 20 years earlier than the general public.
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Yup. I attended the funeral service and wake of an opera singer (knew her live in boyfriend for decades). It was respectful, loving...just great.
Weeks later, I learned it was ruled a suicide. This...Got me thinking a lot...and later arriving at a simple conclusion ...that cause was immaterial, and I am glad not to have known.
Its the memory of her life, and the mutual support among survivors that is important...I'll never ask about the cause again, as it doesnt change the result, and its immaterial as to why I am there. Death/wakes are a celebration of life...whether you drove, walked or took the bus...its the same destination.
Agree, should be a celebration of life. However, I wouldn't call it immaterial at all. Something may have been able to be done....or more importantly, a life lesson for others especially with suicide for folks that internalize too much, don't seek help and there may have been an answer. So in a sense I agree that the result is the same (the destination, that's another debate), but I don't agree it is immaterial.
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I happen to love Prince, so I have no clue what you are talking about.
You may want to re-read your comments.
After writing a mere 'RIP' you posted 4 consecutive things about drugs...you can understand why people would come to the conclusion that you want to talk about your topic and not Prince.
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ditto +googal ( my five year old grandgirl was asking me today "what is the biggest number?")
We measure/remember each other based on what we have done for the public, society, the rest of the world. What you do to yourself is none of our business,.... until and unless it impacts the other public side...
....oddly, and counter-intuitively, drugs might even enhance/expand musical artistry....the 60s and 70s were heavily fueled by them and they produced more music and innovation than the rest of the last two centuries. The neocortex and thalamus are the two primary areas involved in consciousness, creativity, imagination, etc....certain drugs enhance these areas. You are right, here keefe
Anticipating CBB will see Prince's habit as unconnected to mind expansion or artistry, lets also note...Anxiety and insomnia are patterns we see with the extremely active minds of musical genius ( I am rarely anxious and I sleep well, ...and I am the worst musician on this planet-lol). Madonna, Lady Gaga, Jimi Hendrix, Michael Jackson, Elvis, etc, all suffered this. That Prince self medicated this is of no concern to me especially on his death.
CBB ...I have seen you get totally bent when someone disrespects one your heroes on death, why not understand others are like that too,.... even when the dead arent one of your favs
Chico is by nature prosaic. He's smart but not creative. No big deal, everyone is good at some stuff and not so good at other stuff. The happy, well adjusted person says "Vive la differance" and thank you to the artists who bring us such joy and acknowledges that pain is part of the creative process. The angry, envious guy says "Why do people admire these guys (instead of me)? They use drugs, die young, blah, blah blah....". Then he says, "Sad". It is that, but for a whole different reason.
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Yup. I attended the funeral service and wake of an opera singer (knew her live in boyfriend for decades). It was respectful, loving...just great.
Weeks later, I learned it was ruled a suicide. This...Got me thinking a lot...and later arriving at a simple conclusion ...that cause was immaterial, and I am glad not to have known.
Its the memory of her life, and the mutual support among survivors that is important...I'll never ask about the cause again, as it doesnt change the result, and its immaterial as to why I am there. Death/wakes are a celebration of life...whether you drove, walked or took the bus...its the same destination.
Yours is a very healthy perspective on what wakes/funerals should be. I think Shakespeare was wrong when he wrote "The evil that men do lives after them, the good is oft interred with their bones" - discarding the sad/bad and holding close the good is essential.
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I was quite surprised Prince's death warranted a special news break-in on NBC today.
Where do you draw the line? Does Eric Clapton get a break-in? Bono? Steven Tyler? Tina Turner or Madonna?
It's subjective of course, but I met my opinion is pretty close to the consensus.
News break-in:
Bono? No
Tyler? No
Turner? No
Madonna? Definitely
IMO, if you could create a Mr. Rushmore of 80s music icons, it would be Michael Jackson, Madonna, and Prince. That's it. They're the 'Jordan, Magic, Bird' of the 80s music world. Tyler and the rest would be the, I don't know, Dominique Wilkins in the bball analogy.
Regarding Clapton, even though he may be the most technically gifted of everyone mentioned, I don't think his death would warrant a news break in. 'Clapton is God' but he doesn't have the mainstream fame (read: pop crossover) that MJ, Madonna, and Prince had.
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https://www.youtube.com/v/6SFNW5F8K9Y
Just saw this video for the first time yesterday. (Someone else posted it upthread, but I thought it was worth an embed).
The man kills it. I still think Slash on 'Sweet Child of Mine' is the best guitar solo of all time, but jeez, this Prince performance has got to be on a list somewhere.
The man was the quintessential artist: the talent, the look, the showmanship, the eccentric-yet-recluse personality, etc. RIP.
I suggest that we leave the cause of death aside and appreciate the man's artistic brilliance.
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https://www.youtube.com/v/6SFNW5F8K9Y
Just saw this video for the first time yesterday. (Someone else posted it upthread, but I thought it was worth an embed).
The man kills it. I still think Slash on 'Sweet Child of Mine' is the best guitar solo of all time, but jeez, this Prince performance has got to be on a list somewhere.
The man was the quintessential artist: the talent, the look, the showmanship, the eccentric-yet-recluse personality, etc. RIP.
I suggest that we leave the cause of death aside and appreciate the man's artistic brilliance.
He was a magnificent talent.
It's lunch time here and I had 7 people in my office watching that.
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https://www.youtube.com/v/6SFNW5F8K9Y
I still think Slash on 'Sweet Child of Mine' is the best guitar solo of all time, but jeez, this Prince performance has got to be on a list somewhere.
Respectfully disagree on Slash - his best was November Rain and Sweet Child isn't in the Top 20.
The most memorable of all-time (not necessarily the "best") - is Hendrix at Woodstock. Those three minutes defined a generation and a nation trying desperately to come to terms with limits, opportunity, and truth.
https://www.youtube.com/v/Xpdw0ouogQo
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You may want to re-read your comments.
After writing a mere 'RIP' you posted 4 consecutive things about drugs...you can understand why people would come to the conclusion that you want to talk about your topic and not Prince.
+1
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It's subjective of course, but I met my opinion is pretty close to the consensus.
News break-in:
Bono? No
Tyler? No
Turner? No
Madonna? Definitely
IMO, if you could create a Mr. Rushmore of 80s music icons, it would be Michael Jackson, Madonna, and Prince. That's it. They're the 'Jordan, Magic, Bird' of the 80s music world. Tyler and the rest would be the, I don't know, Dominique Wilkins in the bball analogy.
Regarding Clapton, even though he may be the most technically gifted of everyone mentioned, I don't think his death would warrant a news break in. 'Clapton is God' but he doesn't have the mainstream fame (read: pop crossover) that MJ, Madonna, and Prince had.
I think Bono might be included because of his social activism which crossed all political lines. He worked closely with both George Bush and Bill Clinton. And most of his charity work was without political boundaries, such as the Red Cross, MusicCares, Zero Hunger, Special Olympics, War Child, etc.
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You may want to re-read your comments.
After writing a mere 'RIP' you posted 4 consecutive things about drugs...you can understand why people would come to the conclusion that you want to talk about your topic and not Prince.
But that's not what Houston said. He said I didn't care for Prince, which isn't true at all. The reason I wrote about the drugs is that I find it sad that we keep losing wonderful talents as a result of them.
I enjoyed Prince very much, and find it sad that he and others are gone. I think we can learn a lot from those things, but it doesn't change my admiration for the artist one bit. If anything, it frustrates me that we keep losing people at the average age of 57. Tragic.
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But that's not what Houston said. He said I didn't care for Prince, which isn't true at all. The reason I wrote about the drugs is that I find it sad that we keep losing wonderful talents as a result of them.
I enjoyed Prince very much, and find it sad that he and others are gone. I think we can learn a lot from those things, but it doesn't change my admiration for the artist one bit. If anything, it frustrates me that we keep losing people at the average age of 57. Tragic.
Why is this tragic? I grew up in Burnsville/Apple Valley in the 70's and 80's, saw Prince at First Ave a couple of times and, even though I was high both times, it was an amazing experience, two of the top 10 live performances I've seen**. Prince obviously crammed more life in 57 years than any of us have or will.
It's celebratory not tragic. You could argue that the guy who lives well within moderation and strokes out at 45 is tragic, or the guy that is genetically disposed to getting pancreatic cancer regardless of lifestyle is tragic, but not Prince. He gave billions joy when he was alive and left enough music and film to keep that going for 50 years. No tragedy.
**my other "whoah! that was a pinnacle performance" (or just 'holy shyte i love rock and roll) concerts:
RHCP - Lallapalooza Harriet Island circa 92 - flame helmets
NIN - Woodstock '94
Beck - KCMO 2015 - if you get a chance to see him, he's amazing.
The National - KCMO 2014
Kinks - '82 at the old Bloomington Arena. First real rock show and they tore it up.
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**my other "whoah! that was a pinnacle performance" (or just 'holy shyte i love rock and roll) concerts:
RHCP - Lallapalooza Harriet Island circa 92 - flame helmets
Was there as well.. more for Cube and Cypress Hill though. But RHCP too. Holla.
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Why is this tragic? I grew up in Burnsville/Apple Valley in the 70's and 80's, saw Prince at First Ave a couple of times and, even though I was high both times, it was an amazing experience, two of the top 10 live performances I've seen**. Prince obviously crammed more life in 57 years than any of us have or will.
It's celebratory not tragic. You could argue that the guy who lives well within moderation and strokes out at 45 is tragic, or the guy that is genetically disposed to getting pancreatic cancer regardless of lifestyle is tragic, but not Prince. He gave billions joy when he was alive and left enough music and film to keep that going for 50 years. No tragedy.
**my other "whoah! that was a pinnacle performance" (or just 'holy shyte i love rock and roll) concerts:
RHCP - Lallapalooza Harriet Island circa 92 - flame helmets
NIN - Woodstock '94
Beck - KCMO 2015 - if you get a chance to see him, he's amazing.
The National - KCMO 2014
Kinks - '82 at the old Bloomington Arena. First real rock show and they tore it up.
County road 42, eh?
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I wrote JayBee on this, and it sounds like you were much closer to where I lived from birth to 8yrs old....Here is what I sent JayBee:
My question for you two is:
How far were these spots from your area was I? As a 6 year old I was never allowed far from home. lol..."[/b]
With your post...you look to be a neighbor...although in differing time areas ( I left in '65) My Fuller house was basically 57th 4 blocks off of France Ave. SW was the HS for the area. Was Pershing a grade school or Jr high, too? I remember Pershing park beyond the creek. My grade school was St Peters...that modernistic church on france with the 7 spires, and worship in the round (some famous Finn architect, I think). We'd toy shop at Clancy's the Red owl supermarket was behind our house on Drew, and if I remember there was a movie theater along France, too.
Do any our memories align?
Hou, when you lived on Fuller we were in the same zip code (55410) and probably less than a mile away. Kids in my neighborhood went to Christ the King (off 51st and York), but I was right across the street from Armatage so my folks made the decision to send us there. Pershing was a park, not a school, where Southwest's football field was located. Fulton was the nearby grade school, and Southwest had a new Jr. High built onto the High School in the late '60s or early 70's.
I also remember Twins games at the old Met Stadium, sitting in the bleachers with a big box of Cracker Jacks and watching Killebrew and Oliva and Carew. My Uncle Eddie - who played basketball for MU in 1949! - his cousin was Tony Kubek, and whenever the Yankees were in town Tony would come over for dinner and catch balls with my brothers across the street in the park. However, Kent Hrbek and Kirby are my favorite Twins of all time, along with Frankie Viola and the rest of the 1987 Twins.
I don't know who will rep Mpls now that Prince is gone - well, we still have Dylan, but his Minnesota days are long forgotten by many. Guess we will have to wait for the next phenom to come along.
Interesting that he died with no record of a will. He has one biological sister and five half siblings who seem to be first in line as heirs if no will turns up. A $250 million estate that may grow $100 million due to future royalties. May be a real mess to figure out.
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County road 42, eh?
you betcha
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https://www.youtube.com/v/6SFNW5F8K9Y
Just saw this video for the first time yesterday. (Someone else posted it upthread, but I thought it was worth an embed).
The man kills it. I still think Slash on 'Sweet Child of Mine' is the best guitar solo of all time, but jeez, this Prince performance has got to be on a list somewhere.
The man was the quintessential artist: the talent, the look, the showmanship, the eccentric-yet-recluse personality, etc. RIP.
I suggest that we leave the cause of death aside and appreciate the man's artistic brilliance.
Wow. Brilliant indeed.
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Hou, when you lived on Fuller we were in the same zip code (55410) and probably less than a mile away. Kids in my neighborhood went to Christ the King (off 51st and York), but I was right across the street from Armatage so my folks made the decision to send us there. Pershing was a park, not a school, where Southwest's football field was located. Fulton was the nearby grade school, and Southwest had a new Jr. High built onto the High School in the late '60s or early 70's.
I also remember Twins games at the old Met Stadium, sitting in the bleachers with a big box of Cracker Jacks and watching Killebrew and Oliva and Carew. My Uncle Eddie - who played basketball for MU in 1949! - his cousin was Tony Kubek, and whenever the Yankees were in town Tony would come over for dinner and catch balls with my brothers across the street in the park. However, Kent Hrbek and Kirby are my favorite Twins of all time, along with Frankie Viola and the rest of the 1987 Twins.
I don't know who will rep Mpls now that Prince is gone - well, we still have Dylan, but his Minnesota days are long forgotten by many. Guess we will have to wait for the next phenom to come along.
Interesting that he died with no record of a will. He has one biological sister and five half siblings who seem to be first in line as heirs if no will turns up. A $250 million estate that may grow $100 million due to future royalties. May be a real mess to figure out.
Thanks for this, former neighbor.lol
Did you ever play or fish carp on Minnehaha? That bridge at the end of fuller (which led to Pershing beyond) was our best play spot.
Vic Power (1st base..Twins in 60s) was about the only black family in Edina, His son and I hit it off in school and we played a lot. When I ran into son at the Edina Garden Center, and we were chatting... my Dad rushed up and gushed over meeting Vic...until that day I didnt even know his dad was a Twin. lol Oh well..my dad was impressed and proud.
Kubek had a great yanks career and became a fine broadcaster, too--good story.
I still have cousins in Finlayson today...and I always root for Twins in the playoffs...its a model organization. That the hallowed ground of the Met (incl Vikings of the 70s) became the Mall of America...ugh
Thanks for sharing
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Why is this tragic? I grew up in Burnsville/Apple Valley in the 70's and 80's, saw Prince at First Ave a couple of times and, even though I was high both times, it was an amazing experience, two of the top 10 live performances I've seen**. Prince obviously crammed more life in 57 years than any of us have or will.
It's celebratory not tragic. You could argue that the guy who lives well within moderation and strokes out at 45 is tragic, or the guy that is genetically disposed to getting pancreatic cancer regardless of lifestyle is tragic, but not Prince. He gave billions joy when he was alive and left enough music and film to keep that going for 50 years. No tragedy.
**my other "whoah! that was a pinnacle performance" (or just 'holy shyte i love rock and roll) concerts:
RHCP - Lallapalooza Harriet Island circa 92 - flame helmets
NIN - Woodstock '94
Beck - KCMO 2015 - if you get a chance to see him, he's amazing.
The National - KCMO 2014
Kinks - '82 at the old Bloomington Arena. First real rock show and they tore it up.
I suspect he wasn't ready to die and would have liked to have lived longer. Certainly his family and friends did. To each their own. My dad died only a few years older than Prince, he also lived life, worked hard all around the world....we all felt he died young and suddenly. A few friends that also passed young, relatives, etc. So that's where I'm coming from...57 is young. Wish Prince was still around, an amazing talent. Wish many entertainers were still around to entertain that died young.
My two cents, not everyone will agree.
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I suspect he wasn't ready to die and would have liked to have lived longer. Certainly his family and friends did. To each their own. My dad died only a few years older than Prince, he also lived life, worked hard all around the world....we all felt he died young and suddenly. A few friends that also passed young, relatives, etc. So that's where I'm coming from...57 is young. Wish Prince was still around, an amazing talent. Wish many entertainers were still around to entertain that died young.
My two cents, not everyone will agree.
99% of humanity, and 99.5% of humanity
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99% of humanity, and 99.5% of humanity
Agree....that's why it is sad. 57, very young. Lots of music left in his brain and heart.
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Agree....that's why it is sad. 57, very young. Lots of music left in his brain and heart.
That's why it's life - you choose to be sad, I choose to celebrate it.
He left (unsubstantiated) 100 albums and more than a few films in his vault - from my point of view, wanting more is selfish.
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That's why it's life - you choose to be sad, I choose to celebrate it.
He left (unsubstantiated) 100 albums and more than a few films in his vault - from my point of view, wanting more is selfish.
I choose to do both....celebrate the music he created, but sad for him, his family and the music that will never be created to make others happy. I don't see how that is selfish one bit.
Again, to each their own. One can celebrate life and still be sad it was struck short.
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I choose to do both....celebrate the music he created, but sad for him, his family and the music that will never be created to make others happy. I don't see how that is selfish one bit.
Again, to each their own. One can celebrate life and still be sad it was struck short.
You cast shadow on how he lived and (presumably) died and you are wanting more of his gift than he gave (which is more than almost anyone - again including what's in his vault).
Nothing in that position strikes you as being selfish?
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I don't know who will rep Mpls now that Prince is gone
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Is the genius of Sid Vicious less biting or sharp-edged without the magnifying glass of heroin? Probably. But would his creative spark been any more prolific without it? We don't have that answer and we never will because of the needle.
This is hilarious. What did Sid Vicious do that was even on the same planet as genius? He didn't even play on any Sex Pistols records because he was such a horrible bass player. Almost all of the Pistols' songs were written before he even joined the band. Vicious was far, far, far away from a genius.
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You cast shadow on how he lived and (presumably) died and you are wanting more of his gift than he gave (which is more than almost anyone - again including what's in his vault).
Nothing in that position strikes you as being selfish?
Nailed it.
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You cast shadow on how he lived and (presumably) died and you are wanting more of his gift than he gave (which is more than almost anyone - again including what's in his vault).
Nothing in that position strikes you as being selfish?
You're focusing just on the music, I think he was able to touch many more lives by him living. The vault stuff is great, nothing replaces the live performances. How am I casting a shadow on how he lived when I'm just stating the truth? The truth is now a shadow?
End of the day, a young man at the age of 57 is gone....he didn't want to be gone...this wasn't a suicide. It is sad to see a great artist or anyone die young. Yet, we can still celebrate their lives....just as we would if a 10 year old died, because that's what we do.....but that doesn't mean we can't be sad for them and sad for the world, to see what else could come from them being alive.
If that is selfish, to want people to live longer and not die at a young age, then so be it.
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You cast shadow on how he lived and (presumably) died and you are wanting more of his gift than he gave (which is more than almost anyone - again including what's in his vault).
Nothing in that position strikes you as being selfish?
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I'm curious, if Cold Play, or Bruno Mars, or Beyonce were killed in a plane crash today....would you be sad? Would you celebrate their lives? Can you do both?
If your favorite Hip Hop star was gunned down...same question?
If your favorite country western singer overdosed....same question?
The first thoughts I had when I heard about Prince and I suspect it was the first thoughts of at least 90% in this country.... "how sad"..."how tragic"..."Oh no"..."oh my God"...."so young"..."I can't believe it". My first thoughts weren't "let's celebrate".
Again, to each their own, I don't find my thinking on this abnormal, in fact I suspect it is what most people do. Sad for the outcome, sad for the years lost and the artistry stopping, but reminescent on the greatness....it's possible to celebrate and be sad for the same human being.
One final question, do you guys feel that when society does investigations, including toxicology reports, etc, that this is a bad thing? They should just let it ride..."what difference does it make"...he's dead....don't bring up anything? Or, do you think what authorities have done for ages is a good thing, brings closure, can be a learning experience for others, etc?
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This is hilarious. What did Sid Vicious do that was even on the same planet as genius? He didn't even play on any Sex Pistols records because he was such a horrible bass player. Almost all of the Pistols' songs were written before he even joined the band. Vicious was far, far, far away from a genius.
It is obvious you really don't know his story or even that of the London punk scene. Sid Vicious was a seminal influence in punk on both sides of the Atlantic.
You are correct in that he was a marginal instrumentalist but that is akin to saying Bob Dylan or Neil Young couldn't play or sing.
Without Sid Vicious there is no Clash, Patti Smith, Siouxie and the Banshees. Like him or not he was a powerful force behind the explosive arrival of punk and his DNA continues in music to this day.
By the way, the Sex Pistols did only one studio album and they cut it when he was laid up in the hospital.
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I'm curious, if Cold Play, or Bruno Mars, or Beyonce were killed in a plane crash today....would you be sad? Would you celebrate their lives? Can you do both?
If your favorite Hip Hop star was gunned down...same question?
If your favorite country western singer overdosed....same question?
The first thoughts I had when I heard about Prince and I suspect it was the first thoughts of at least 90% in this country.... "how sad"..."how tragic"..."Oh no"..."oh my God"...."so young"..."I can't believe it". My first thoughts weren't "let's celebrate".
Again, to each their own, I don't find my thinking on this abnormal, in fact I suspect it is what most people do. Sad for the outcome, sad for the years lost and the artistry stopping, but reminescent on the greatness....it's possible to celebrate and be sad for the same human being.
Nobody here has said your thinking is "abnormal". Any time a death can be attributed to non natural causes some people will react with anger and regret over what might have been. You can choose that route, and many do. But it is selfish and as long as you're on that highway you'll never put the person lost in a good place. Why not instead choose gratitude? It's kinder to the one who's been lost and it's better for you. Take it from one who has tried both routes - the one you've chosen is a road to nowhere.
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It is obvious you really don't know his story or even that of the London punk scene. Sid Vicious was a seminal influence in punk on both sides of the Atlantic.
You are correct in that he was a marginal instrumentalist but that is akin to saying Bob Dylan or Neil Young couldn't play or sing.
Without Sid Vicious there is no Clash, Patti Smith, Siouxie and the Banshees. Like him or not he was a powerful force behind the explosive arrival of punk and his DNA continues in music to this day.
By the way, the Sex Pistols did only one studio album and they cut it when he was laid up in the hospital.
I have to disagree with this. Malcolm McLaren was the biggest influence in pushing both the Pistols and the punk scene.
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I have to disagree with this. Malcolm McLaren was the biggest influence in pushing both the Pistols and the punk scene.
Well, I mean, you're both right.
I think it's way off to say that without Sid there's no Clash, Patti Smith, etc. Smith in particular was well established before the Pistols even came along, and the Clash were such a monumental talent that, if anything, they're great early work was unduly overshadowed by the Pistols.
That said, Sid's influence not on the music of the punk scene, but on the style/culture of the punk scene (for both good and bad) is undeniable.
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Well, I mean, you're both right.
I think it's way off to say that without Sid there's no Clash, Patti Smith, etc. Smith in particular was well established before the Pistols even came along, and the Clash were such a monumental talent that, if anything, they're great early work was unduly overshadowed by the Pistols.
That said, Sid's influence not on the music of the punk scene, but on the style/culture of the punk scene (for both good and bad) is undeniable.
Said perfectly - and better than I articulated above.
The Clash and Patti Smith would have happened regardless - but the punk scene was shaped profoundly by Sid Vicious more than any one person. His DNA is still there today as it was in strains of 80s metal and 90s grunge. Cobain and Vedder both cite(d) Sid's influence as formative in their own paradigms.
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Well, I mean, you're both right.
I think it's way off to say that without Sid there's no Clash, Patti Smith, etc. Smith in particular was well established before the Pistols even came along, and the Clash were such a monumental talent that, if anything, they're great early work was unduly overshadowed by the Pistols.
That said, Sid's influence not on the music of the punk scene, but on the style/culture of the punk scene (for both good and bad) is undeniable.
Without Sid, Nancy Spungeon might still be alive.
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Without Sid, Nancy Spungeon might still be alive.
I think that it more correct to say that without Nancy, Sid might be alive today...
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I think that it more correct to say that without Nancy, Sid might be alive today...
I'm going to vote "C - none of the above". Those two weren't making it long regardless.
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I'm going to vote "C - none of the above". Those two weren't making it long regardless.
Sad. ;)
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Punk scene? Read the 2nd most recent Rolling Stone. There was a great cover story on The Ramones. Intriguing stuff. They advised The Clash.
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Sad. ;)
HA!
There was a great cover story on The Ramones. Intriguing stuff. They advised The Clash.
Interesting, I'll have to read the issue. I appreciate what the Ramones did (do?) to influence punk, and their sound was certainly punk, but I always thought their subject matter and approach (very structured down to their 'uniforms') wasn't punk compared to The Clash - not enough angst.
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Iggy and the Stooges years before anyone yet mentioned.
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Without Sid Vicious there is no Clash, Patti Smith, Siouxie and the Banshees. Like him or not he was a powerful force behind the explosive arrival of punk and his DNA continues in music to this day.
By the way, the Sex Pistols did only one studio album and they cut it when he was laid up in the hospital.
I think I'm pretty well versed on the "punk scene".
The Clash had been together almost a year before Sid joined the Pistols. They already existed without him.
Patti Smith's first single came out in 1974...she already existed long before Sid.
The Sex Pistols released their first three crucial singles before Sid was even in the band...they already existed without him.
And Sid did, in fact, try to play on Never Mind the Bollocks -
Pistols guitarist Steve Jones quoted in John Lydon's book "Rotten":
"Sid wanted to come down and play on the album, and we tried as hard as possible not to let him anywhere near the studio. He actually came down a couple of times...he played this farty old bass part. When he left I dubbed another part on, leaving Sid's down low. I think it might be barely audible on the track."
John Lydon: "Sid was so bad in the studio...he could not hold a tune."
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Iggy and the Stooges years before anyone yet mentioned.
Along with MC5
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Along with MC5
Yes. Ramones, Television, Richard Hell & Voidoids, New York Dolls, Johnny Thunders & Heartbreakers.
All existed well before Sid Vicious came along.
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I think I'm pretty well versed on the "punk scene".
The Clash had been together almost a year before Sid joined the Pistols. They already existed without him.
Patti Smith's first single came out in 1974...she already existed long before Sid.
The Sex Pistols released their first three crucial singles before Sid was even in the band...they already existed without him.
This is all true, but one still can't deny that the buzz/exposure created by the Pistols - with Sid and, to a somewhat less extent, Johnny as the poster boys for this newfangled punk thing - provided vast opportunities for many similar artists that very well may not have been there otherwise.
I mean, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains and Soundgarden all existed well before their scene blew up thanks to Nevermind, but it's not beyond the pale to suggest they owe a great deal of their fame and success to Kurt Cobain.
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This is all true, but one still can't deny that the buzz/exposure created by the Pistols - with Sid and, to a somewhat less extent, Johnny as the poster boys for this newfangled punk thing - provided vast opportunities for many similar artists that very well may not have been there otherwise.
I mean, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains and Soundgarden all existed well before their scene blew up thanks to Nevermind, but it's not beyond the pale to suggest they owe a great deal of their fame and success to Kurt Cobain.
Not denying the influence of the Sex Pistols (I'm a huge fan), just the original statement that Sid Vicious was a "genius." It is well documented that he could barely play, contributed little or nothing to the songwriting, and wasn't even in the band when most (all) of the classic songs were written. His "fashion" simply echoed what Richard Hell, John Lydon, and Vivienne Westwood were already doing. Genius can be defined as "a person who is exceptionally intelligent or creative". Not exactly sure how Sid qualifies.
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Not denying the influence of the Sex Pistols (I'm a huge fan), just the original statement that Sid Vicious was a "genius." It is well documented that he could barely play, contributed little or nothing to the songwriting, and wasn't even in the band when most (all) of the classic songs were written. His "fashion" simply echoed what Richard Hell, John Lydon, and Vivienne Westwood were already doing. Genius can be defined as "a person who is exceptionally intelligent or creative". Not exactly sure how Sid qualifies.
He illuminated the scene like no other. Like Dylan or Young he couldn't play a lick or hold a tune. But he was a driving force behind punk in ways that helped define the genre.
You can accept that or not. I will accept Vedder and Cobain's comments on the contribution of Sid Vicious to what was to become Grunge, fusing the thematics of alienation, disenfranchisement, apathy, and despair into what became the signature Seattle Sound which grew out of west coast punk in the 80s.
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This is all true, but one still can't deny that the buzz/exposure created by the Pistols - with Sid and, to a somewhat less extent, Johnny as the poster boys for this newfangled punk thing - provided vast opportunities for many similar artists that very well may not have been there otherwise.
I mean, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains and Soundgarden all existed well before their scene blew up thanks to Nevermind, but it's not beyond the pale to suggest they owe a great deal of their fame and success to Kurt Cobain.
Agreed. That is why I mentioned McClaren. He was the puppetmaster for the Pistols. He recruited Rotten and set the tone and style for the band.
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Variety magazine has a nice write-up on Prince if one is interested.
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He illuminated the scene like no other. Like Dylan or Young he couldn't play a lick or hold a tune. But he was a driving force behind punk in ways that helped define the genre.
You can accept that or not. I will accept Vedder and Cobain's comments on the contribution of Sid Vicious to what was to become Grunge, fusing the thematics of alienation, disenfranchisement, apathy, and despair into what became the signature Seattle Sound which grew out of west coast punk in the 80s.
I'm sorry but that's twice you mentioned Neil Young can't play a lick, which instrument that Young plays are you referring to? Piano, organ, guitar, harmonica?
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Neil Young....LOL. Not even in the conversation.
But if he died today, I'd feel less sad than Prince. Young is 70, Prince was 57. Sad either way, but levels of sadness quite different.
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I'm sorry but that's twice you mentioned Neil Young can't play a lick, which instrument that Young plays are you referring to? Piano, organ, guitar, harmonica?
Agreed. Too many people judge a guitarist by their "gymnastic" ability on the fret board. Give me someone who plays to the song rather than to set a speed record anytime. Good records are all about the music - not about the guitarist's dexterity. Style matters.
Guitarists I would include here include Young, David Gilmour, Edge, Peter Buck, and Keith Richards.
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I'm sorry but that's twice you mentioned Neil Young can't play a lick, which instrument that Young plays are you referring to? Piano, organ, guitar, harmonica?
I am a huge fan of Neil Young but I think most would say his greatest contributions have been as a poet. Young offers an everyman perspective on life that celebrates the essential dignity of the human spirit and the importance of connection and community over materialism. I have never heard anyone applaud his skills as a guitar player; there is a reason he embraced the fuzz guitar.
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Neil Young....LOL. Not even in the conversation.
But if he died today, I'd feel less sad than Prince. Young is 70, Prince was 57. Sad either way, but levels of sadness quite different.
Can you post the official Chico sliding scale of sadness meter?
I imagine it looking a little like a slide-rule with multiple lenses that allow for debits for drug use and credits for purity in addition to age and other inputs.
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Can you post the official Chico sliding scale of sadness meter?
I imagine it looking a little like a slide-rule with multiple lenses that allow for debits for drug use and credits for purity in addition to age and other inputs.
+100. What kind of person actually spends time thinking about where he would rate people on his personal sad-o-meter should they meet their demise? You want sad? That is sad.
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I am a huge fan of Neil Young but I think most would say his greatest contributions have been as a poet. Young offers an everyman perspective on life that celebrates the essential dignity of the human spirit and the importance of connection and community over materialism. I have never heard anyone applaud his skills as a guitar player; there is a reason he embraced the fuzz guitar.
Rolling Stone had him rated at #17 of greatest guitar players of all time.
Trey Anastasio had the following to say about Neil.
"If I was ever going to teach a master class to young guitarists, the first thing I would play them is the first minute of Neil Young's original "Down by the River" solo. It's one note, but it's so melodic, and it just snarls with attitude and anger. It's like he desperately wants to connect. Neil's playing is like an open tube from his heart right to the audience. In the Nineties, we played a festival with Crazy Horse. At the end of "Like a Hurricane," Neil went into this feedback solo that was more like a sonic impressionist painting. He was about six feet back from the microphone, singing so you could just hear him over the colorful waves of hurricanelike sound.
I think about that moment a lot when I'm playing. Traditional concepts of rhythm and keys are great, but music is like a giant ocean. It's a big, furious place, and there are a lot of trenches that haven't been explored. Neil is still blazing a trail for people who are younger than him, reminding us you can break artistic ground."
Neil knows more about sound, tone, melody and guitar dynamics than 99.9% of guitarists in the world. Technique and creativity cannot be judged separately.
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Rolling Stone had him rated at #17 of greatest guitar players of all time.
Trey Anastasio had the following to say about Neil.
"If I was ever going to teach a master class to young guitarists, the first thing I would play them is the first minute of Neil Young's original "Down by the River" solo. It's one note, but it's so melodic, and it just snarls with attitude and anger. It's like he desperately wants to connect. Neil's playing is like an open tube from his heart right to the audience. In the Nineties, we played a festival with Crazy Horse. At the end of "Like a Hurricane," Neil went into this feedback solo that was more like a sonic impressionist painting. He was about six feet back from the microphone, singing so you could just hear him over the colorful waves of hurricanelike sound.
I think about that moment a lot when I'm playing. Traditional concepts of rhythm and keys are great, but music is like a giant ocean. It's a big, furious place, and there are a lot of trenches that haven't been explored. Neil is still blazing a trail for people who are younger than him, reminding us you can break artistic ground."
Neil knows more about sound, tone, melody and guitar dynamics than 99.9% of guitarists in the world. Technique and creativity cannot be judged separately.
Touche, x.
For me, Neil Young is a poet.
For guitar I look to jazz players. My favorite is Pat Metheny but guys like Joe Pass, Jim Hall, Al DiMeola, Stanley Jordan, Wes Montgomery, Charlie Christian, and Django Reinhardt are head and shoulders above the crowd. From the blues I am a fan of Stevie Ray, BB, Robert Cray, Jimmy Page, Duane Allman, Clapton, and Johnny Winter.
I think any of those guys plays circles around Neil Young but music is a matter of style and taste.
I have gone out of my way many times to see Pat Metheny play. He is incredible as a player and composer. He is one of those rare once in a century talents.
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Touche, x.
For me, Neil Young is a poet.
For guitar I look to jazz players. My favorite is Pat Metheny but guys like Joe Pass, Jim Hall, Al DiMeola, Stanley Jordan, Wes Montgomery, Charlie Christian, and Django Reinhardt are head and shoulders above the crowd. From the blues I am a fan of Stevie Ray, BB, Robert Cray, Jimmy Page, Duane Allman, Clapton, and Johnny Winter.
I think any of those guys plays circles around Neil Young but music is a matter of style and taste.
I have gone out of my way many times to see Pat Metheny play. He is incredible as a player and composer. He is one of those rare once in a century talents.
It does come down to personal taste. Metheny is one of the few who deftly combine technical skill plus feel. Not many do that.
Neil expressed a lot of my feelings when he said "Nobody gives a crap if you have good technique or not. It's whether you have feelings that you want to express with music, that's what counts, really. When you are able to express yourself and feel good, then you know why you're playing. The technical aspect is absolute hogwash as far as I'm concerned. It bores me to tears. I can't play fast. I don't even know my scales. I know that most of the notes I play aren't where I play them. They're simply not there. So you can play any note you like. I think about it on another level, I don't care about that sort of crap. On the other hand, I appreciate really great guitarists, and I'm very impressed by those metal groups with their scale guitarists. When I see that, I go «Holy crap, that's really something». Satriani and Eddie Van Halen are guitar geniuses. They are incredible musicians, at an amazing level. But it does't really grab me. One note will do."
That is why Edge is one of my two or three favorites. It's ALL about feel, mood, and adding to the song. The song and what it is trying to express takes precedence over everything else.
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God bless scoop, any thread can go from memorializing Prince to arguments over who was punk 1st to whose dick is bigger Neil Young or Pat Methany to claiming Jimmy Page is a blues guitarist
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Since this has turned to a guitar thread, I stumbled across a guy that I really enjoy listening to: Estas Tonne. There are a lot of videos on YouTube and I sometimes just run them in the background while I work (I find music with lyrics too distracting).
I'm not a guitar expert by any means, and don't really know if he's any "good" (i.e., I don't know how the size of his dick compares to Young or Metheny), but I enjoy it and I suppose that's all that matters.
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OK, since this has evolved (devolved?) into a discussion of great guitarists, I'll give Tom Morello some well-deserved praise. Perhaps the best ever at blending technical skill with innovation and creativity.
His solos while playing "The Ghost of Tom Joad" with Springsteen during the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame concert were nothing less than staggering.
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OK, since this has evolved (devolved?) into a discussion of great guitarists, I'll give Tom Morello some well-deserved praise. Perhaps the best ever at blending technical skill with innovation and creativity.
His solos while playing "The Ghost of Tom Joad" with Springsteen during the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame concert were nothing less than staggering.
Morello has long been one of my favorites. Loved Rage Against the Machine. The show at the RnR HOF was stunning.
He's another guy who understands the totality of a song.
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It does come down to personal taste. Metheny is one of the few who deftly combine technical skill plus feel. Not many do that.
Neil expressed a lot of my feelings when he said "Nobody gives a crap if you have good technique or not. It's whether you have feelings that you want to express with music, that's what counts, really. When you are able to express yourself and feel good, then you know why you're playing. The technical aspect is absolute hogwash as far as I'm concerned. It bores me to tears. I can't play fast. I don't even know my scales. I know that most of the notes I play aren't where I play them. They're simply not there. So you can play any note you like. I think about it on another level, I don't care about that sort of crap. On the other hand, I appreciate really great guitarists, and I'm very impressed by those metal groups with their scale guitarists. When I see that, I go «Holy crap, that's really something». Satriani and Eddie Van Halen are guitar geniuses. They are incredible musicians, at an amazing level. But it does't really grab me. One note will do."
That is why Edge is one of my two or three favorites. It's ALL about feel, mood, and adding to the song. The song and what it is trying to express takes precedence over everything else.
I should say the only musical instrument I can play is a B&O turntable...
Metheny with Lyle Mays, Jaco Pastorius, or Charlie Haden is sublime. God smiled when Pat Metheny picked up a guitar for the first time.
https://www.youtube.com/v/MYcZ6s3z1jg?list=PLNVnmq9Tpv3pK5XeSq9fJfvdAElCBYKpk
https://www.youtube.com/v/jHLY5VHQEek
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God bless scoop, any thread can go from memorializing Prince to ... claiming Jimmy Page is a blues guitarist
Jimmy Page's best work was not his rock catalog. His finest guitar is his playing the blues.
He always said, the Yardbirds and Led Zep was just to pay the bills. His passion was the blues.
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Since this evolved into a guitarist thread, maybe I can provide some insight. I don't know if any other scoop posters are guitar players, but I have been playing for over three decades. Played in numerous bands for some extra pay and just weekend fun.
The issue of who's the best, greatest, etc., has long been a point of contention in the guitar community, but as others previously stated, it all comes down to your taste in music. Who's the best blues guitarist, the best funk guitarist, heavy metal, standard rock, classical, etc. It all comes down to what your ear and brain likes to hear. BrandX said it perfect, he likes to hear one note that pleases him, a thing musicians love to hear. I loved Tom Stolz from Boston, who used a new amp back in the 1970s that provided a different, certain tone. Stolz was not the best guitarist, but the sound......
For myself, I never played much blues music, but Pat Metheny is a very accomplished guitarist and has been for a long time. Never got the national audience recognition, but in the blues field, he has a huge following and has made a good living. Yes, Jimmy Page loved the blues, but his known ability was for his Zeppelin days and that is what the audience/records reflect. Clapton was a bit different, since most of his recordings were of a blues nature, with exception of his earlier Cream days. Enough of the blues.....
Since I enjoyed and mainly played lead guitar, my tastes were in the classic and yes, hairband songs. I just fell for the chord rhythm licks of a Van Halen, Sammy Hagar, Dokken, AC/DC and the likes, but also the old Bowie, Aerosmith, Cheap Trick and others. Long as it was loud and moving and could plug in to my stacked Marshal amps. So many songs, so many likes. But that what music is, just like sports. Everybody has an opinion and a different liking.
So, my favorites are Eddie Van Halen and its not even close, George Lynch, Peter Frampton, Ronnie Montrose, Alvin Lee, Mick Ronson and Gary Clark, Jr. Many others, but remember, its all on the type of music you like to hear.
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Rolling Stone had him rated at #17 of greatest guitar players of all time.
Trey Anastasio had the following to say about Neil.
"If I was ever going to teach a master class to young guitarists, the first thing I would play them is the first minute of Neil Young's original "Down by the River" solo. It's one note, but it's so melodic, and it just snarls with attitude and anger. It's like he desperately wants to connect. Neil's playing is like an open tube from his heart right to the audience. In the Nineties, we played a festival with Crazy Horse. At the end of "Like a Hurricane," Neil went into this feedback solo that was more like a sonic impressionist painting. He was about six feet back from the microphone, singing so you could just hear him over the colorful waves of hurricanelike sound.
I think about that moment a lot when I'm playing. Traditional concepts of rhythm and keys are great, but music is like a giant ocean. It's a big, furious place, and there are a lot of trenches that haven't been explored. Neil is still blazing a trail for people who are younger than him, reminding us you can break artistic ground."
Neil knows more about sound, tone, melody and guitar dynamics than 99.9% of guitarists in the world. Technique and creativity cannot be judged separately.
Balladeer or rocker I'm a big fan of Neil Young. "Like a Hurricane" is a personal favorite and in my top 10 rock songs of all time.
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Touche, x.
For me, Neil Young is a poet.
For guitar I look to jazz players. My favorite is, Al DiMeola
Elegant Gypsy
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Not really a guitar guy either, but my uncle is. Die hard. Blues and rock. To him, Joe Satriani is the greatest ever and nobody else comes close. Nobody.
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God bless scoop, any thread can go from memorializing Prince to arguments over who was punk 1st to whose dick is bigger Neil Young or Pat Methany to claiming Jimmy Page is a blues guitarist
But, like the Bowie memorialization thread that de/evolved into a strip club argument (IIRC), I'm pretty certain Prince would approve of this tangent.
Pakuni is right on introducing Morello. Whenever I see someone live* and think "whoa! all of that is coming from one guy?" i gain immediate respect. I think Paige, Harrison (can't believe he hasn't been mention yet), Angus, Slash, Kim Thayil, etc, etc, are are classic rock guitar gods. Morello, Ed O'Brein (Radiohead), Nels Cline (Wilco) and Dressner (The National) are making the lead guitar more ingrained in the sound than just the riff.
*missed Rage live but caught Tom in his brief stint with Street Sweeper Social Club. Great show.
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Can you post the official Chico sliding scale of sadness meter?
I imagine it looking a little like a slide-rule with multiple lenses that allow for debits for drug use and credits for purity in addition to age and other inputs.
I like the idea....patent that thing. You could call it the St. Peter slide rule.
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So, should gov't bother to do autopsies, release them to the public? Or is it a What Difference Does it Make approach?
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This post brings symmetry to this thread, circling it nicely back to Prince....
"when asked what it feels like to be the greatest guitar player in the world,
Eric Clapton replied, "I don't know, ask Prince"."
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Elegant Gypsy
Return to Forever. That got a lot of play on Schroeder 10N.
10N is where the real men lived. 10S? Not so much...
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Return to Forever. That got a lot of play on Schroeder 10N.
10N is where the real men lived. 10S? Not so much...
Ha. Keep telling yourself that. ;)
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Can we get back ta debatin' da merits of a big dick again, hey?
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http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/04/25/sabathani-prince-celebration/ (http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/04/25/sabathani-prince-celebration/)
This my neighborhood. See you there.
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Criminal investigation now?
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Disappointing Prince Vaults Found To Contain 37,000 Hours Of Billy Joel Covers
http://www.theonion.com/article/disappointing-prince-vaults-found-contain-37000-ho-52853
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Even more sad....seems they were a mere hours away from potentially getting his health turned around
http://www.startribune.com/addiction-doctor-was-to-have-seen-prince-just-before-his-death/378051471/
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Disappointing Prince Vaults Found To Contain 37,000 Hours Of Billy Joel Covers
http://www.theonion.com/article/disappointing-prince-vaults-found-contain-37000-ho-52853
Have they found his covers of The Captain and Tenille? That's the real mother lode.
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Nah, Nancy Sinatra and Debbie Boone, hey?
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Nah, Nancy Sinatra and Debbie Boone, hey?
You light up my life, Doc!
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700 people claim to be siblings of Prince.
Merica
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3577864/The-gold-rush-begins-700-people-claim-Prince-s-siblings-judge-rules-DNA-samples-taken-music-legend-s-blood-verify-claims.html
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700 people claim to be siblings of Prince.
Merica
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3577864/The-gold-rush-begins-700-people-claim-Prince-s-siblings-judge-rules-DNA-samples-taken-music-legend-s-blood-verify-claims.html
Well, if you are under the age of 40, and aren't 100% sure who your dad is, what do you have to lose?
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You never know, just look at the kids Larry Hillblom fathered and the fortune he left behind.
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Officially....drug overdose.
http://www.startribune.com/prince-died-from-opioid-overdose/381663221/
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Officially......Prince still dead.
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Officially......Prince still dead.
Yup....and important for society to understand why. Officially.
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No surprises in this report.
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Modern livin' thru chemistry, hey?
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We've had a particularly nasty batch of heroin mixed with fentanyl around here lately. We just started carrying NarCan this spring and have already used it a couple of dozen times around town. It works great. A mixed blessing though. Also, the users saved by NarCan usually wake up seriously torqued at the rescuers and in complete denial about how we found them and what they took. RIP, Prince.
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We've had a particularly nasty batch of heroin mixed with fentanyl around here lately. We just started carrying NarCan this spring and have already used it a couple of dozen times around town. It works great. A mixed blessing though. Also, the users saved by NarCan usually wake up seriously torqued at the rescuers and in complete denial about how we found them and what they took. RIP, Prince.
Fentanyl and heroin seems like a waste of fentanyl. I hear the latter is 50-100x more potent... It'd be like mixing bourbon with O'Douls.
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And that is why so many users are requiring NarCan.