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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Tugg Speedman on May 13, 2012, 11:07:42 AM
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Tom Crean @TomCrean
We jumped Kansas, Marquette,Illinois and Memphis to get to ninth in the Country for average attendance. Our fans are incredibly energetic.
... the above tweet generated this awesome reply ...
Walshie @BWalsh525
@TomCrean go choke on a diet pepsi you tanning cream doucher.
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Here is a post on the attendance number ...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=32479.0
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Now that is one court I would LOVE to see Buzz dance on...
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Tom Crean @TomCrean
We jumped Kansas, Marquette,Illinois and Memphis to get to ninth in the Country for average attendance. Our fans are incredibly energetic.
... the above tweet generated this awesome reply ...
Walshie @BWalsh525
@TomCrean go choke on a diet pepsi you tanning cream doucher.
Indiana also "jumped" BYU, but were "jumped" by tOSU and mighty Creighton.
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Now that is one court I would LOVE to see Buzz dance on...
You mean, that would be one game that would be awesome to see MU win and Buzz not shake Crean's hand. lol
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Cool to play that game at Miller Park. Maybe buds LaRussa and Maddox will be in the house.
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Cool to play that game at Miller Park. Maybe buds LaRussa and Maddox will be in the house.
Well in this case I wouldn't mind winning on the road. Solely so Buzz can do the Safety Dance (he can dance where he wants to).
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Well in this case I wouldn't mind winning on the road. Solely so Buzz can do the Safety Dance (he can dance where he wants to).
Wish this was the case, but Buzz got reprimanded by our A.D., for the WVU dance. How dare our coach be able to enjoy a spontaneous moment of emotion - that also went viral and got MU a lot of publicity - most of which was positive in 49 other states other than WVU and in the eyes of recruits...
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Buzz Williams himself said the dance was wrong.
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Buzz Williams himself said the dance was wrong.
Suspect he may have had a bit of a nudge there. :)
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Suspect he may have had a bit of a nudge there. :)
Really?
He was nudged somewhere between the center court logo and the broadcast table?
But hey ... whatever plays into people's conspiracy fantasies.
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He said it immediately after he did it.
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He said it immediately after he did it.
This is true, as he sat down to do the interview with Raff and felt the venom of the WVU fans....what is also true is Buzz profusely apologized on Jim Rome the next day, and numerous other media outlets, college hoops insiders, etc...and Larry Williams comments in the Journal Sentinel were shortly after that "incident." Let's note Buzz didn't apologize profusely for the dance he did at MU after DJO did the put back dunk against Louisville...
The extent of Buzz's apologies next day after the WVU game were the byproduct of being told to do so...
Question tho - did Al McGuire have to apologize profusely back in the day for his many idiosyncratic behaviors?
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This is true, as he sat down to do the interview with Raff and felt the venom of the WVU fans....what is also true is Buzz profusely apologized on Jim Rome the next day, and numerous other media outlets, college hoops insiders, etc...and Larry Williams comments in the Journal Sentinel were shortly after that "incident." Let's note Buzz didn't apologize profusely for the dance he did at MU after DJO did the put back dunk against Louisville...
Dancing on an OPPONENT'S COURT AFTER a game is not remotely similar to what happens on the HOME SIDELINE DURING a game.
The extent of Buzz's apologies next day after the WVU game were the byproduct of being told to do so...
If you say so.
Like I said, whatever feeds the conspiracy fantasies.
Did Larry Williams also order Buzz to apologize after he went off on McIlvaine during his first season?
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The extent of Buzz's apologies next day after the WVU game were the byproduct of being told to do so...
And you know this how???
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Recall that Buzz was on Huggins radio show the day before the game.
This happened because Huggy and Buzz are fast friends. It makes more sense that Buzz's multiple apologies were out of respect to Huggy rather than an order from the administration.
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Actually, there wasn't anything wrong with the dance other than the reaction of some WVU fans who were inebriated enough to show their displeasure by throwing items at everyone at the broadcast table in a indiscriminate attempt to hurt anyone at all. The dance was not done at center court or on the UWV logo which were lies that came out later, it was done near center court because it was on the way to the broadcast table. It was the University of West Virginia that should have done the apologizing particularly for poor venue security. It's to Buzz's credit that he did apologize on his own. Although I think that he was apologizing for not stopping to think that the crowd might respond inappropriately.
Huggins is an excellent coach who rivals Bobby Knight for abusing players (has his own father abused him when he was coaching Huggins), and whose private life is evidently a mess from the evidence provided by the alcohol related incidents that are piling up. West Virginia appears willing to enable his foibles which makes it the perfect place for him to be, at least until he finally blows a head gasket which will be a sad day.
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Question tho - did Al McGuire have to apologize profusely back in the day for his many idiosyncratic behaviors?
It's not 1977 anymore
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Buzz apologized 15 seconds after he did it.....then apologized at just about every press conference up through the pre-game presser before the Florida game...
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Wish this was the case, but Buzz got reprimanded by our A.D., for the WVU dance. How dare our coach be able to enjoy a spontaneous moment of emotion - that also went viral and got MU a lot of publicity - most of which was positive in 49 other states other than WVU and in the eyes of recruits...
You missed the joke. The lyrics of the Safety Dance are "We can dance where we want to." ;)
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Cool to play that game at Miller Park. Maybe buds LaRussa and Maddox will be in the house.
We could dim the lights every time they shot the ball
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Tom Crean @TomCrean
We jumped Kansas, Marquette,Illinois and Memphis to get to ninth in the Country for average attendance. Our fans are incredibly energetic.
... the above tweet generated this awesome reply ...
Walshie @BWalsh525
@TomCrean go choke on a diet pepsi you tanning cream doucher.
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Here is a post on the attendance number ...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=32479.0
"Our fans are incredibly energetic." Another Crean-ism. He and Tim Tebow have a knack for saying so much without saying anything at all. What do fans being incredibly energetic have to do with attendance? Do fans have to run/bicycle to Assembly Hall to see the game? I swear if Crean were banned from using words like fantastic, outstanding, tremendous, amazing, and incredible for a day, he would be lost.
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I see it as a compliment. Again, if Tom Crean is at Marquette, there is no Buzz. Let it go, who cares or take it as a challenge for next year attendance with IU.
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Should be a big crowd for I4 vs Kentucky next season.
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This happened because Huggy and Buzz are fast friends.
Serious question: Is Buzz a drinking man?
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I swear if Crean were banned from using words like fantastic, outstanding, tremendous, amazing, and incredible for a day, he would be lost.
Nah, he could wheel in Old Man Harbaugh who could relate the Mighty Trojans of USC story. The Old Paycheck-for-Nothing Geezer is full of hyperbole.
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Serious question: Is Buzz a drinking man?
I don't think he drinks.
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I don't think he drinks.
Can we trust him?
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Can we trust him?
Can't trust anyone, they're all Chicos.
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Can't trust anyone, they're all Chicos.
But Chicos is a drinker. More over, he is the host of the famous Backyard Summits where the beer flows and the manly companionship is available in spades.
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But Chicos is a drinker. More over, he is the host of the famous Backyard Summits where the beer flows and the manly companionship is available in spades.
Chicos is a drinker. Warthog is in the military and he married a cheerleader.
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Tom Crean @TomCrean
We jumped Kansas, Marquette,Illinois and Memphis to get to ninth in the Country for average attendance. Our fans are incredibly energetic.
... the above tweet generated this awesome reply ...
Walshie @BWalsh525
@TomCrean go choke on a diet pepsi you tanning cream doucher.
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Here is a post on the attendance number ...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=32479.0
How is this 'taking credit'? He gave credit to the students and stated a fact (that they passed several teams one of which was us).
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How is this 'taking credit'? He gave credit to the students and stated a fact (that they passed several teams one of which was us).
See the first two words of the tweet ... "we jumped"
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See the first two words of the tweet ... "we jumped"
In fairness, what is he supposed to use?
"They Jumped"?
Most coaches refer to their programs as "we", not "they".
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Chicos is a drinker. Warthog is in the military and he married a cheerleader.
A Marquette cheerleader, Chicos.
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In fairness, what is he supposed to use?
"They Jumped"?
Most coaches refer to their programs as "we", not "they".
Well, since we had a long thread discussing whether it was appropriate for a fan/almu to us the word "we" when discussing the program/team, I guess we now need to have a long thread discussing if a coach can use the word "we" when discussing fans/alums.
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Well, since we had a long thread discussing whether it was appropriate for a fan/almu to us the word "we" when discussing the program/team, I guess we now need to have a long thread discussing if a coach can use the word "we" when discussing fans/alums.
Well, yesterday's award winning debate was about the word "risk".
Apparently everybody to agreed upon it, but still managed to argue about it.
Skip Bayless is rubbing off on sports fans everywhere. F.
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Well, yesterday's award winning debate was about the word "risk".
Apparently everybody to We all agreed upon it, but still managed to argue about it.
Skip Bayless is rubbing off on sports fans everywhere. F.
Fixed ;)
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Skip Bayless is rubbing off on sports fans everywhere.
I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.
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See the first two words of the tweet ... "we jumped"
What is he supposed to say? It is his program, his employer, of course he would say "we jumped".
Is Buzz not supposed to say "we" when referencing his team?
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Wish this was the case, but Buzz got reprimanded by our A.D., for the WVU dance. How dare our coach be able to enjoy a spontaneous moment of emotion - that also went viral and got MU a lot of publicity - most of which was positive in 49 other states other than WVU and in the eyes of recruits...
Did you go around reading all the comments to determine that most of it was positive? How do you know this?
How do you know if he was publicly reprimanded? A comment in an article with no context?
Buzz apologized within seconds after realizing that he probably went a bit over the line. He wasn't doing anything intentional, but people are sensitive after wins and losses. If Buzz was the coach of Notre Dame or Wisconsin and they beat us on our home court and did a dance like that how would you have reacted? How would other posters here have acted? An honest answer would be appreciated.
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Buzz apologized within seconds after realizing that he probably went a bit over the line. He wasn't doing anything intentional, but people are sensitive after wins and losses. If Buzz was the coach of Notre Dame or Wisconsin and they beat us on our home court and did a dance like that how would you have reacted? How would other posters here have acted? An honest answer would be appreciated.
I actually agree with this assessment. Buzz is spontaneous, and given the circumstances (overcoming a big lead and 4 suspensions to win a BEast road game) he got caught up in the moment. Not a big deal, but he didn't want to show up Huggins, hence his quick (and oft repeated) apology. My problem was with L Williams. He used a very minor incident for which Buzz had already probably over-apologized as a reason for an unnecessary and unwarrented public reprimand.
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I actually agree with this assessment. Buzz is spontaneous, and given the circumstances (overcoming a big lead and 4 suspensions to win a BEast road game) he got caught up in the moment. Not a big deal, but he didn't want to show up Huggins, hence his quick (and oft repeated) apology. My problem was with L Williams. He used a very minor incident for which Buzz had already probably over-apologized as a reason for an unnecessary and unwarrented public reprimand.
You're being waayyyy over sensitive here. L. Williams was asked a question and he apparently had the gall to answer it honestly. There was no reprimand, and his comments were about as vanilla as they come.
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You're being waayyyy over sensitive here. L. Williams was asked a question and he apparently had the gall to answer it honestly. There was no reprimand, and his comments were about as vanilla as they come.
Maybe my recollection (I am old, after all) is wrong, but I don't think L Williams was asked a question about it. I thought he was asked a generic Buzz question and came back with the famous "I want to help make Buzz a better coach" reply and then added his thoughts on the WV celebration as an example of an area in which he thought Buzz was lacking. IIRC most here weren't struck by Larry's honesty, but rather by his ego or his clumsiness, whichever they felt were the basis for his statements.
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Maybe my recollection (I am old, after all) is wrong, but I don't think L Williams was asked a question about it.
You're suggesting Larry called the Journal Sentinel, asked to speak with Don Walker and volunteered the statement (along with many others on the state of MU athletics)?
It doesn't work that way. It was an interview. In an interview, the person being interviewed is asked questions.
I thought he was asked a generic Buzz question and came back with the famous "I want to help make Buzz a better coach" reply and then added his thoughts on the WV celebration as an example of an area in which he thought Buzz was lacking.
Really? What do you base this assumption on?
and if you're going to quote the man, at least do so accurately.
IIRC most here weren't struck by Larry's honesty, but rather by his ego or his clumsiness, whichever they felt were the basis for his statements.
Sure, mostly by the same people who three months later continue to make Everest out of this molehill.
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For the record, here is the press release Larry Williams(domer) released that pissed off Buzz and started this whole mess.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/williams-settles-into-directors-chair-at-mu-vt4dgja-141323703.html (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/williams-settles-into-directors-chair-at-mu-vt4dgja-141323703.html)
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Okay, I'll let his quotes speak for themselves:
"I'd be excited to help him grow as a coach"
"He's an emotional guy, passionate guy, but if you're going to have long term success you have to channel that and control that"
"He's either going to explode because his tie is too tight or he's going to offend somebody that is irrevocable"
So he thinks Buzz needs to grow as a coach and that he is the guy that can help him. And he thinks that if Buzz doesn't learn more self control the consequences will be dire. And he figured this out in a couple of months on the job. Great, if his "opinion" is true. But if I had built the incredible resume' that Buzz has over 4 years and some guy who's been here less than 3 months went to the press to discuss my shortcomings like this I'd be pissed. So would you, Pakuni.
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Larry Williams comments in the Journal Sentinel absolutely pissed Buzz off...and I'd be shocked if any of us, given the argument Lenny's just made - wouldn't be pissed off too - whereby a guy 59 days on the job tells the press he is going to help a guy be a better coach..who has 4 years in and some skins on the wall.
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So he thinks Buzz needs to grow as a coach and that he is the guy that can help him. And he thinks that if Buzz doesn't learn more self control the consequences will be dire. And he figured this out in a couple of months on the job. Great, if his "opinion" is true. But if I had built the incredible resume' that Buzz has over 4 years and some guy who's been here less than 3 months went to the press to discuss my shortcomings like this I'd be pissed. So would you, Pakuni.
Whew...good thing Buzz Williams is NOT you. This version of Buzz sounds like a real high maintenance diva, which is something I'm 100% certain he's not. Again people can't have it both ways-- Buzz can't be a no-nonsense, straight shooter, yet be as thin skinned, passive-aggressive, and cryptic as you (and others) "THINK" he is. Given how he brutally honest and exacting he is about his players, it would make him a gigantic hypocrite if he was truly "offended" by those comments.
For the record, here is the press release Larry Williams(domer) released that pissed off Buzz and started this whole mess.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/williams-settles-into-directors-chair-at-mu-vt4dgja-141323703.html (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/williams-settles-into-directors-chair-at-mu-vt4dgja-141323703.html)
Surely, there is a link to an article full of direct quotes from Buzz taking umbrage to all of Larry (domer) William's comments--I'm sure it will make for an interesting read. Please DO post it here, whoever can find it.
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Whew...good thing Buzz Williams is NOT you. This version of Buzz sounds like a real high maintenance diva, which is something I'm 100% certain he's not. Again people can't have it both ways-- Buzz can't be a no-nonsense, straight shooter, yet be as thin skinned, passive-aggressive, and cryptic as you (and others) "THINK" he is. Given how he brutally honest and exacting he is about his players, it would make him a gigantic hypocrite if he was truly "offended" by those comments.
Sorry Lab - but Buzz earns the right to reprimand the guys he recruits, who choose to sign with MU and play for Buzz. The relationship between player and coach often times is one that involved different motivational tactics. Buzz didn't sign up to be "coached" by Larry Williams. Buzz has gotten MU its best back to back NCAA tourney appearances since the days of Al McGuire - and some guy 59 days on the job who has never coached at the Division 1 Level is going to help him be a better coach...not too mention that he ties his tie too tight and will irrevocably offend someone?? Please.
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Okay, I'll let his quotes speak for themselves:
"I'd be excited to help him grow as a coach"
"He's an emotional guy, passionate guy, but if you're going to have long term success you have to channel that and control that"
"He's either going to explode because his tie is too tight or he's going to offend somebody that is irrevocable"
So he thinks Buzz needs to grow as a coach and that he is the guy that can help him. And he thinks that if Buzz doesn't learn more self control the consequences will be dire. And he figured this out in a couple of months on the job. Great, if his "opinion" is true. But if I had built the incredible resume' that Buzz has over 4 years and some guy who's been here less than 3 months went to the press to discuss my shortcomings like this I'd be pissed. So would you, Pakuni.
1. Do you believe Buzz doesn't need to grow as a coach, that's he's somehow attained coaching perfection?
2. Where did LW say he was THE guy to help Buzz grow?
3. Dire? I'm going to assume here that LW wasn't speaking literally when he said Buzz would explode. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he truly believes Buzz will spontaneously combust.
4. Nice spin, but I doubt very much that LW called up Don Walker and said "Hey, Don, let's discuss Buzz's shortcomings. And while we're at it, could you publicize them?"
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Larry Williams comments in the Journal Sentinel absolutely pissed Buzz off...and I'd be shocked if any of us, given the argument Lenny's just made - wouldn't be pissed off too - whereby a guy 59 days on the job tells the press he is going to help a guy be a better coach..who has 4 years in and some skins on the wall.
Did Buzz tell you this?
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Sorry Lab - but Buzz earns the right to reprimand the guys he recruits, who choose to sign with MU and play for Buzz. The relationship between player and coach often times is one that involved different motivational tactics. Buzz didn't sign up to be "coached" by Larry Williams. Buzz has gotten MU its best back to back NCAA tourney appearances since the days of Al McGuire - and some guy 59 days on the job who has never coached at the Division 1 Level is going to help him be a better coach...not too mention that he ties his tie too tight and will irrevocably offend someone?? Please.
Again, please point me to where Buzz was quoted, or spoken on record, as saying he was "pissed" about this, rather than the usual tea leaf reading and bulls*** conjecture that have wafted around on this board for the last two months.
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Did Buzz tell you this?
I would feel pissed off about this, therefore Buzz would, too, therefore, Buzz was pissed off.
Tennis balls are yellow, and so are lemons. Therefore, I'm going to bite into this tennis ball, and let the citrussy goodness FLOOD MY TASTEBUDS.
IRONCLAD LOGIC.
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Again, please point me to where Buzz was quoted, or spoken on record, as saying he was "pissed" about this, rather than the usual tea leaf reading and bulls*** conjecture that have wafted around on this board for the last two months.
Did Buzz tell you this?
I consider it a confidential e-mail, so I cannot share...
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I consider it a confidential e-mail, so I cannot share...
Convenient.
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Convenient.
Pak - As you and many here know...I am one of Buzz's biggest fans....think it is possible I might have sent an e-mail of support to him during the whole SMU flirtation? You can choose to believe what you want, what I've shared is not a lie.
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Pak - As you and many here know...I am one of Buzz's biggest fans....think it is possible I might have sent an e-mail of support to him during the whole SMU flirtation? You can choose to believe what you want, what I've shared is not a lie.
So this confidential email to you was sent by Buzz?
Did you print it out and have him autograph it too?
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1. Do you believe Buzz doesn't need to grow as a coach, that's he's somehow attained coaching perfection?
2. Where did LW say he was THE guy to help Buzz grow?
3. Dire? I'm going to assume here that LW wasn't speaking literally when he said Buzz would explode. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he truly believes Buzz will spontaneously combust.
4. Nice spin, but I doubt very much that LW called up Don Walker and said "Hey, Don, let's discuss Buzz's shortcomings. And while we're at it, could you publicize them?"
1 and 2. C'mon. The point isn't that Buzz is perfect or whether Larry would be the guy or a guy. The point is what kind of ego does it take for a guy that's just been hired to talk publicly on the record like that about a guy a whole lot more established than himself?
3.No, Mr Literal, I don't think Larry meant that Buzz was going to explode. That was the either part that was meant, I guess, to be funny. The "or" part dealt with irrevocably offending somebody which could obviously have dire consequences.
4.No, I don't think that's what happened. I think Don called Larry. And when Don asked Larry his impressions of Buzz, Larry was obviously okay with sharing what he felt to be some of Buzz's shortcomings.
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Pak - As you and many here know...I am one of Buzz's biggest fans....think it is possible I might have sent an e-mail of support to him during the whole SMU flirtation? You can choose to believe what you want, what I've shared is not a lie.
Yes, lots of people sent Buzz letters of support during the SMU brouhaha. And received essentially automated responses, which was kind of Buzz to send along.
Are you telling us Buzz made a special exception for you? And in this special exception, he detailed for you - who I'm assuming is a complete stranger to him - his innermost thoughts, his great angst and his deep hurt over vanilla comments made by the AD more than a month earlier?
What makes you so special?
lab is right .... if Buzz were the fragile soul you're portraying him as, the kind of guy who would quit a job, take lesser employment, break his word and move his family all because he didn't like a comment in a newspaper ... well, if he were that kind of guy, he probably wouldn't have gotten as far in life as he has.
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Buzz actually responsed to my letter about the Larry Williams situation and said he wasn't pissed at all.
My sources also say any perceived animosity is overblown.
Prove me wrong.
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3.No, Mr Literal, I don't think Larry meant that Buzz was going to explode. That was the either part that was meant, I guess, to be funny. The "or" part dealt with irrevocably offending somebody which could obviously have dire consequences.
4.No, I don't think that's what happened. I think Don called Larry. And when Don asked Larry his impressions of Buzz, Larry was obviously okay with sharing what he felt to be some of Buzz's shortcomings.
So then, if Buzz were to make a habit of dancing on opposing team's floors after wins, do you not believe he will start offending people irrevocably?
Look, I loved the dance at WVU. Most people did. They did because it was an example of spontaneous exuberance, and not mean-spirited or taunting.
But if were to become a common occurrence, it's no longer spontaneous or harmless. It's insulting and it will offend people irrevocably. It will no longer be cute or funny.
Why is this even controversial? It's obvious.
What he felt to be some of Buzz's shortcomings? C'mon. If he wanted to discuss shortcomings, he'd discuss the lack of a big men or inconsistent defense. He was asked his opinion of Buzz's dance and gave an honest and obvious answer, both praising Buzz's passion (which you conveniently ignore) and pointing out that sometimes that passion can be channeled better.
Do you honestly disagree? Would you be happy to see those kinds of antics regularly?
Really, you guys are trying way too hard to be pissed off about something.
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Guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but if I were in Larry Williams's shoes and a reporter asked me to share what I felt were my head coach's shortcomings I'd tell the reporter to F himself. And I'd make it clear that IF I had any such feelings they would be addressed in private.
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See the first two words of the tweet ... "we jumped"
He is the coach of the team and he can't use the word 'we'. What was he supposed to say?
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Yes, lots of people sent Buzz letters of support during the SMU brouhaha. And received essentially automated responses, which was kind of Buzz to send along.
Are you telling us Buzz made a special exception for you? And in this special exception, he detailed for you - who I'm assuming is a complete stranger to him - his innermost thoughts, his great angst and his deep hurt over vanilla comments made by the AD more than a month earlier?
What makes you so special?
lab is right .... if Buzz were the fragile soul you're portraying him as, the kind of guy who would quit a job, take lesser employment, break his word and move his family all because he didn't like a comment in a newspaper ... well, if he were that kind of guy, he probably wouldn't have gotten as far in life as he has.
So a guy who might decide: A) I don't really care for my new boss, B) I'm highly employable elsewhere, where I can make more money, be 60 miles away from where I grew up, in a place that has a lot more of what I need to be successful (talented high school basketball players), at a school that at least has a football program....that makes him a fragile soul?? Very few highly successful/desired/employable people will put up with bull sh$t, particularly when that bull sh$t comes from a boss that doesn't have nearly the amount of skins on the wall.
To answer your question, yes, I did get a personal response - not the auto response many got, and like I said earlier...believe it or not. Now to be clear, Buzz did not write explicitly "I don't really care for my new boss," in the e-mail he sent back to me..yet what was written gave me enough of an indication (and it would have you too) that his level of happiness at MU certainly is different now, than it was 1 year ago...some of which is also attributable to the way it seems the local media are trying to crucify his program/players.
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I agree with lab. If buzz is that upset by what his boss said, enough to insinuate as much in an email to a guy he has never met, then he has no business being the head coach at MU.
But I think you are reading too much into it.
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Last thing I'm going to post on this - it was a difficult decision to decide to post what I did - and I'd hope everyone here can understand why I won't share/forward the specific e-mail/exchange.
I do not feel our coach responding to a die hard fan, who sent a note of support, has no business being the head coach at MU. Actually I found it pretty remarkable to get a personal response from Coach..and out of respect I'd never repost what was specifically said.
At the end of the day, I can say that the notes of support Buzz got meant a lot to Buzz - and I suspect they played a role in his decision to stay.
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Buzz actually responsed to my letter about the Larry Williams situation and said he wasn't pissed at all.
My sources also say any perceived animosity is overblown.
Prove me wrong.
Well, I didn't want to do this, betraying a trust and all, but Buzz sent me one saying he wanted to leave becaue of Ners posting confidential info on bulletin boards.
(And I refuse to use teal. If you are too dumb to figure it out, you must be a Wisconsin grad......)
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I'd rather have Buzz's tie too tight than I4 using his tie as a cod piece.
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(And I refuse to use teal. If you are too dumb to figure it out, you must be a Wisconsin grad......)
Or a Whitewater grad, amiright Warhawk?
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The domer should have never made these comments publicly. Period. Shows a real lack of common sense.
Domer boy may, or may not be right about Buzz's development needs. You just don't hang your laundry out on Wisconsin ave for all to see. Tacky, and not well thought out.
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Maybe my recollection (I am old, after all) is wrong, but I don't think L Williams was asked a question about it. I thought he was asked a generic Buzz question and came back with the famous "I want to help make Buzz a better coach" reply and then added his thoughts on the WV celebration as an example of an area in which he thought Buzz was lacking. IIRC most here weren't struck by Larry's honesty, but rather by his ego or his clumsiness, whichever they felt were the basis for his statements.
What would Jay Bilas say?
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1. Do you believe Buzz doesn't need to grow as a coach, that's he's somehow attained coaching perfection?
2. Where did LW say he was THE guy to help Buzz grow?
3. Dire? I'm going to assume here that LW wasn't speaking literally when he said Buzz would explode. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he truly believes Buzz will spontaneously combust.
4. Nice spin, but I doubt very much that LW called up Don Walker and said "Hey, Don, let's discuss Buzz's shortcomings. And while we're at it, could you publicize them?"
Stop using logic with these guys, the conspiracy hats are tightening on their scalps.
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I consider it a confidential e-mail, so I cannot share...
Buzz Williams is going to send a person via an email that he is pissed off at his AD? If Buzz did that, he is a very stupid man and I don't think he is a stupid man at all. No one with an ounce of brains sends and email to someone they don't know they are pissed at their boss. You may send that to your closest confidant, but no one is buying this claim. As you often say, just admit it and set yourself free.
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What would Jay Bilas say?
I've got to ask, why do you obsess over Jay Bilas?
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Buzz Williams is going to send a person via an email that he is pissed off at his AD? If Buzz did that, he is a very stupid man and I don't think he is a stupid man at all. No one with an ounce of brains sends and email to someone they don't know they are pissed at their boss. You may send that to your closest confidant, but no one is buying this claim. As you often say, just admit it and set yourself free.
Standard fare for you Chicos....take what someone has written, and then twist it in a way to completely change what was actually said. Can you please share with everyone here how what I wrote below translates into what you've stated above??
To answer your question, yes, I did get a personal response - not the auto response many got, and like I said earlier...believe it or not. Now to be clear, Buzz did not write explicitly "I don't really care for my new boss," in the e-mail he sent back to me..yet what was written gave me enough of an indication (and it would have you too) that his level of happiness at MU certainly is different now, than it was 1 year ago...some of which is also attributable to the way it seems the local media are trying to crucify his program/players.
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Standard fare for you Chicos....take what someone has written, and then twist it in a way to completely change what was actually said. Can you please share with everyone here how what I wrote below translates into what you've stated above??
There's a different way to interpret this?
Ners wrote: Larry Williams comments in the Journal Sentinel absolutely pissed Buzz off...and I'd be shocked if any of us, given the argument Lenny's just made - wouldn't be pissed off too - whereby a guy 59 days on the job tells the press he is going to help a guy be a better coach..who has 4 years in and some skins on the wall.
Pakuni wrote: Did Buzz tell you this?
Ners wrote: I consider it a confidential email, so I cannot share...
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There's a different way to interpret this?
Ners wrote: Larry Williams comments in the Journal Sentinel absolutely pissed Buzz off...and I'd be shocked if any of us, given the argument Lenny's just made - wouldn't be pissed off too - whereby a guy 59 days on the job tells the press he is going to help a guy be a better coach..who has 4 years in and some skins on the wall.
Pakuni wrote: Did Buzz tell you this?
Ners wrote: I consider it a confidential email, so I cannot share...
Yeah...not buying this confidential email thing either. I'm sure Buzz unloads all his gripes on every random mo that sends him an email, and that the only non cut-and-pasted email of the whole "mass-mail Buzz" campaign went to Ners.
That said, I still think emailing Buzz was a good idea, and I'm glad that he took the time to respond to everyone, even if it was just a cut-and-paste, but this whole thing is just silly.
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I've got to ask, why do you obsess over Jay Bilas?
Why does he obsess about everything? Jay Bilas is but one burr under Chicas saddle. He is a tormented, demented boy.
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There's a different way to interpret this?
Ners wrote: Larry Williams comments in the Journal Sentinel absolutely pissed Buzz off...and I'd be shocked if any of us, given the argument Lenny's just made - wouldn't be pissed off too - whereby a guy 59 days on the job tells the press he is going to help a guy be a better coach..who has 4 years in and some skins on the wall.
Pakuni wrote: Did Buzz tell you this?
Ners wrote: I consider it a confidential email, so I cannot share...
Like I've said previously..did Buzz explicitly write "the comments in the Journal Sentinel made by Larry Williams pissed me off?" No. Did Buzz write "I don't care for my new boss?" No. Could someone perhaps write that, I agree with ALL that you say - in response to an e-mail they receive? Perhaps if said e-mail mentioned the comments to the Journal Sentinel were inappropriate and offensive? Would that possibly be enough for the skeptics among this board to connect a few dots, and realize all is not well...couple that with other Insiders (not that I'm one of them), that felt Buzz to SMU was VERY close to happening? The degree of "happy" has also changed in part due to the off court incident stuff, and how that has been reported in the media, etc.
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Like I've said previously..did Buzz explicitly write "the comments in the Journal Sentinel made by Larry Williams pissed me off?" No. Did Buzz write "I don't care for my new boss?" No. Could someone perhaps write that, I agree with ALL that you say - in response to an e-mail they receive? Perhaps if said e-mail mentioned the comments to the Journal Sentinel were inappropriate and offensive? Would that possibly be enough for the skeptics among this board to connect a few dots, and realize all is not well...couple that with other Insiders (not that I'm one of them), that felt Buzz to SMU was VERY close to happening? The degree of "happy" has also changed in part due to the off court incident stuff, and how that has been reported in the media, etc.
You criticized Hoopaloop for interpreting your previous comments to mean that Buzz had sent you an email that indicated that he (Buzz) was pissed at Larry Williams.
You apparently sent Buzz an email during the SMU fiasco that indicated, among other things, that you felt that Larry Williams' comments in the Journal Sentinel were inappropriate and offensive. Buzz, apparently, responded to your email by writing that he agreed with everything you said, which included the part about LW's comments being inappropriate and offensive.
So: what was inaccurate about the conclusion Hoopaloop drew from your previous posts?
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You criticized Hoopaloop for interpreting your previous comments to mean that Buzz had sent you an email that indicated that he (Buzz) was pissed at Larry Williams.
You apparently sent Buzz an email during the SMU fiasco that indicated, among other things, that you felt that Larry Williams' comments in the Journal Sentinel were inappropriate and offensive. Buzz, apparently, responded to your email by writing that he agreed with everything you said, which included the part about LW's comments being inappropriate and offensive.
So: what was inaccurate about the conclusion Hoopaloop drew from your previous posts?
Go back and read the thread..and the sequence of events..and my responses. Again, some here just don't want to believe the rift, etc., and they are totally entitled to their opinion..I just thought I'd pass along some information that might help others connect the dots. Per usual, Chicos took what was written and sensationalized, embellished, and twisted what was written into a post to advance his agenda...par for the course.
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You criticized Hoopaloop for interpreting your previous comments to mean that Buzz had sent you an email that indicated that he (Buzz) was pissed at Larry Williams.
You apparently sent Buzz an email during the SMU fiasco that indicated, among other things, that you felt that Larry Williams' comments in the Journal Sentinel were inappropriate and offensive. Buzz, apparently, responded to your email by writing that he agreed with everything you said, which included the part about LW's comments being inappropriate and offensive.
So: what was inaccurate about the conclusion Hoopaloop drew from your previous posts?
Nothing was inaccurate about my conclusion and in typical fashion, he cries wolf and is not able to show where the conclusion was wrong.