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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: ChuckyChip on March 06, 2013, 05:33:07 PM
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A friend showed me an article (sorry, no link, just a hardcopy) about Steve Voboril. Voboril is quoted as saying that he played for MU from 1971-1975. My friend knows that I have a pretty strong knowledge of MU hoop history, so he asked for details about the guy (position played, etc.). I had to admit that I never heard of him, but that I would do some checking. There is no Steve Voboril on the all-time roster in the 2013 media guide. I dug out my media guides from 1972-1975 and I cannot find any reference to this guy - no stats, not on any roster (varsity or JV), not in any team photos, etc. Voboril is also quoted saying he played on the 1975 team that lost in the NCAA finals, which threw up a red flag for me (since that would have been 1974).
Has anyone heard of this guy? I did a search on Scoop and found one reference to him possibly being a team manager(?), but again, he does not appear in any team photos from that era that I have seen.
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A friend showed me an article (sorry, no link, just a hardcopy) about Steve Voboril. Voboril is quoted as saying that he played for MU from 1971-1975. My friend knows that I have a pretty strong knowledge of MU hoop history, so he asked for details about the guy (position played, etc.). I had to admit that I never heard of him, but that I would do some checking. There is no Steve Voboril on the all-time roster in the 2013 media guide. I dug out my media guides from 1972-1975 and I cannot find any reference to this guy - no stats, not on any roster (varsity or JV), not in any team photos, etc. Voboril is also quoted saying he played on the 1975 team that lost in the NCAA finals, which threw up a red flag for me (since that would have been 1974).
Has anyone heard of this guy? I did a search on Scoop and found one reference to him possibly being a team manager(?), but again, he does not appear in any team photos from that era that I have seen.
He's listed on the list of former players who played at Bo Ellis's golf outing for Bo's daughter.
http://www.muscoop.com/uploads/EllisGolfOuting.pdf
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4ever can you confirm this? I am a seller but know you will have the answer. Pretty much no every walkon in the Al era and this is stumping me.
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Vobs was an Assistant AD in the 70s, early 80's maybe. He is a Northwestern Mutual Agent now. I've never heard him claim to be a player.
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4ever can you confirm this? I am a seller but know you will have the answer. Pretty much no every walkon in the Al era and this is stumping me.
He's not listed in any of the archives as having been on the team. I did find a reference that he was the Asst AD for Business Affairs in the mid-80's then a candidate to replace Hank. Maybe he was a manager?
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Hey, I never missed a game during those years, can I be listed as former player?
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Hey, I never missed a game during those years, can I be listed as former player?
In knew Mark Lavin and had some beers with him at Hegarty's so I am kinda like a player, no?
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Lavin is a legendary walkon so that counts big time. Plus he might have more cash than you do. I think you can consider yourself on par with Mark.
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Pretty certain MU-rara has it nailed.
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Speaking of having cash, 4ever jumps in after the fact.
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Sorry, just got home from the plant. ;D
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Pace yourself. We have a few more games before offseason fun begins.
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To reiterate what MU-rara said.
Steve's a really nice guy. He is/was with Northwestern Mutual. I had worked with him as a client a few companies ago.
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In between MU and NM he had a gig as a concert promoter.
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Sorry, just got home from the plant. ;D
new glory hole establishment offa I43, aina?
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Sorry to dig up this old, obscure topic, but just saw this on jsonline -
http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/longtime-northwestern-mutual-financial-adviser-faces-theft-probe-b99210772z1-246593471.html (http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/longtime-northwestern-mutual-financial-adviser-faces-theft-probe-b99210772z1-246593471.html)
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Little lapse in judgment there by "Vobs." What really stinks is that at least one person in a nursing home signed over complete control of their assets through a Power of Attorney to this guy.
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Little lapse in judgment there by "Vobs." What really stinks is that at least one person in a nursing home signed over complete control of their assets through a Power of Attorney to this guy.
Reading the comments section of the article is interesting additional information, though not sure if it is accurate.
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Dont know if any of this article is true or not, but what i do know to be true is financial institutions have dedicated internal investgation units that investgate any complaint. Similar to police detectives they have seen it all and know the difference between unhappy or frustrated clientsand criminal wrondoing. Addiyionally, it is an incrediby documented industry with a paper trail for everything. Financial institutions would never let a long time producing individual go unless they were certain that criminal actions had taken place. Lastly, it makes no difference that hundreds or even thousands of cuurent or former clients stand up to the character of the guy, if he took even one dollar from someone he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
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He's a good guy by all regards. This isn't the first time NML has wrongly accused an established advisor so I would give it time.
Was really close with Hank Raymonds - Hank was almost like a second father to him. Loves Marquette - was Assistant Athletic Director 81-84 (I believe?) Went to Washington HS and walked-on his freshman year (71) but tore his ACL soon thereafter. Stayed on the bench and helped out with the team so he has the NCAA ring. Officiated after that for awhile..
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He's a good guy by all regards. This isn't the first time NML has wrongly accused an established advisor so I would give it time.
Was really close with Hank Raymonds - Hank was almost like a second father to him. Loves Marquette - was Assistant Athletic Director 81-84 (I believe?) Went to Washington HS and walked-on his freshman year (71) but tore his ACL soon thereafter. Stayed on the bench and helped out with the team so he has the NCAA ring. Officiated after that for awhile..
He wasn't just accused. He was investigated by his employer who then terminated his employment and turned over their findings to law enforcement. Our system is built on trust. Not only did "Vobs" betray that trust but he took advantage of an elderly person who gave him power of attorney.
If Hank was like a father to "Vobs" I am guessing he would likely be ashamed of his protégé.
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He wasn't just accused. He was investigated by his employer who then terminated his employment and turned over their findings to law enforcement. Our system is built on trust. Not only did "Vobs" betray that trust but he took advantage of an elderly person who gave him power of attorney.
If Hank was like a father to "Vobs" I am guessing he would likely be ashamed of his protégé.
did you read the comment section? particularly that of susan komie? i'm just surprised/disappointed at your knee-jerk conclusion keefe. something doesn't smell right here..but i am glad someone brought this to my attention as it deserves to be followed through on. there seems to be more questions than answers. if hank was like a father to vobs, i'm guessing we are going to hear...the rest of the story and hopefully sooner rather than later. just saying-we need to hear more here before we convict this guy. he is in fact part of the marquette community and if any of what susan had to say is true along with his relationship to hank, i'm leaning more toward helping "vobs" get his life back on track-he deserves better...much better
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did you read the comment section? particularly that of susan komie? i'm just surprised/disappointed at your knee-jerk conclusion keefe. something doesn't smell right here..but i am glad someone brought this to my attention as it deserves to be followed through on. there seems to be more questions than answers. if hank was like a father to vobs, i'm guessing we are going to hear...the rest of the story and hopefully sooner rather than later. just saying-we need to hear more here before we convict this guy. he is in fact part of the marquette community and if any of what susan had to say is true along with his relationship to hank, i'm leaning more toward helping "vobs" get his life back on track-he deserves better...much better
The problem with those comments by susan komie is that they never actually address the claims against him. They just talk about what a nice guy he is. And he might be...and there might be a completely reasonable explanation for all of this. Or he may have taken advantage of a couple of his 1,200 clients for whatever reason.
And yeah, she is right that this wouldn't be the first time that NML has made false claims against someone. But that doesn't mean that they *always* make false claims.
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The problem with those comments by susan komie is that they never actually address the claims against him. They just talk about what a nice guy he is. And he might be...and there might be a completely reasonable explanation for all of this. Or he may have taken advantage of a couple of his 1,200 clients for whatever reason.
And yeah, she is right that this wouldn't be the first time that NML has made false claims against someone. But that doesn't mean that they *always* make false claims.
I think in one of the comments it said that the accounts in question were family or something of Mr. Voboril.
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I think in one of the comments it said that the accounts in question were family or something of Mr. Voboril.
Unless I am completely missing something, I don't think it said that at all.
Not to mention, that using family members money in the manner in which he is being accused of using it is at least unethical...if not illegal.
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Take internal investigations with a grain of salt. Those "investigators" know that to make a name for yourself, you need to find wrongdoing by employees - the more spectacular the better for your career advancement.
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Take internal investigations with a grain of salt. Those "investigators" know that to make a name for yourself, you need to find wrongdoing by employees - the more spectacular the better for your career advancement.
So..."Vobs" is innocent and the "investigators" are guilty of dishonesty and unethical behavior? Sure.
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So..."Vobs" is innocent and the "investigators" are guilty of dishonesty and unethical behavior? Sure.
Keefe, not like you to convict on a newspaper article.
I agree it does not look good, but let's wait for the trial.
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Take internal investigations with a grain of salt. Those "investigators" know that to make a name for yourself, you need to find wrongdoing by employees - the more spectacular the better for your career advancement.
This is a bit absurd. First, even if there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for him writing 100's of thousands of dollars of checks to himself, he still did not follow appropriate protocol to demonstrate the validity of those transactions.
At the very least that is a gross violation of proper conduct that has brought negative press to the company. Further it damages relations with ongoing clients. For that alone, the investigators are in the right (because he did not follow proper protocol) and firing and reporting of the wrongdoing to the police for further investigation is justified.
The legal system can now look into these transactions further and find if any criminal wrongdoing existed. Hopefully if they do, he faces a lengthy prison sentence.
Second, all this talk of him being a nice guy is absurd. Everyone thought Sandusky was a great guy because of all the things he did for the community. Every serial murderer we hear about, his friends always say how nice of a guy he is. Fact of the matter is how one acts in public does not necessarily reflect their inner desires or how they act in private.
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let's see here, voboril-sandusky, alleged financial improprieties-child rapist...i'll give you a do-over
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tend to agree with spaniel. Hank was like a father to most of the players. Great guys can be dishonest too. Glad MU was magnanimous in awarding the rings. Hope he can somehow be innocent but few facts we have are damning.
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Keefe, not like you to convict on a newspaper article.
I agree it does not look good, but let's wait for the trial.
I'm not convicting him but the little empiricism we have is pretty awful. And there was enough discovered to lead his employer, a well respected MNC with sound business practices in place, to terminate his employment.
As a squadron commander I had a few guys standing in front of me in Article 15 hearings for popping positive for weed. To a man they all claimed innocence, blaming a faulty test. Fact is, there was nothing wrong with the kits, handling procedures, or lab results. I was far less concerned that they had smoked weed in the dorms at night. What I didn't like was the lying and blaming the integrity of an established Air Force process. They had betrayed the trust we had in them more in the lying than in the smoking.
NML became aware of questionable business practices so they investigated. I am confident that NML has world-class legal advice and they have superb ORM procedures in place. They concluded there was activity that might be illegal so they gave that to the DAs office. We'll see where this goes.
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let's see here, voboril-sandusky, alleged financial improprieties-child rapist...i'll give you a do-over
No need for a do-over. The point was that someone like Sandusky that was well respected can do something as terrible as being a child rapist.
So it should be no surprise if a equally respected person does something far less malicious.
It is a poor idea to assume that someones actions in public represent their true character.
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Checks issued to one's self. Not sure what else even matters.
Howver, there my be some heretofore never heard of before type of explanation for it.
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Take internal investigations with a grain of salt. Those "investigators" know that to make a name for yourself, you need to find wrongdoing by employees - the more spectacular the better for your career advancement.
Agreed... internal investigators will dig and dig until they find anything to go off of when they are asked by higher-ups so as not to look incompetent. Even if that means something weird on paper. Seen too many guys lose their jobs over stuff like this. There are 2 sides to every story and we are only hearing one (so far). Seems as though the real investigation took place after he was let go - assumptions were made - and the article fails to mention the history of the NML management who initiated this internal investigation and why they chose to do so in the first place. There may have been an underlying benefit for another employee to pass this speculative information along knowing it would look wrong i.e. the inheritance of a Book of Business, elimination of the the top performer, protection from a managing partner, etc. Again, those too are speculations I am making but seems to me like all the bandwagoners just want to jump on the media's agenda setting train once again. I prefer to explore the other side of the coin. The financial industry is a doggy dog world. Every man for himself. Like I said, not the first time this has been a problem. But a 22 year career - no complaints, and all of a sudden this oddly skewed article with a very small amount of information that took 6 months to uncover? Gimbel was quoted saying no money is missing, the individual he was POA for continued to receive his checks - the other account accrued more money - so what does this tell us? He was the POA, he had the right to move the funds to other investments if he thought it would be beneficial - but perhaps they were not moved and documented correctly in accordance with NML compliance regulations. A half year investigation later, no charges, no arrests, no other clients or people coming forward and this inflated article? All speculation. He may have made a mistake, but nobody got hurt. No money is missing. Doesn't sound like any crime took place here (Gimbel said the same). Let's be careful not to make too many hasty accusations, Vobs has a family. Let's just let the facts speak for themselves when it goes to court.
And now for overtime .. You've got to be kidding me MU.
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Agreed... internal investigators will dig and dig until they find anything to go off of when they are asked by higher-ups so as not to look incompetent. Even if that means something weird on paper. Seen too many guys lose their jobs over compliance stuff like this.
One of my hats at a GE financial services business in Japan was Chief Compliance Officer. I can assure you that compliance investigations do not have an agenda. Your suggestion is naïve if not ludicrous.
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Hey, I never missed a game during those years, can I be listed as former player?
No, just as a current playa.
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One of my hats at a GE financial services business in Japan was Chief Compliance Officer. I can assure you that compliance investigations do not have an agenda. Your suggestion is naïve if not ludicrous.
100% totally agree
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One of my hats at a GE financial services business in Japan was Chief Compliance Officer. I can assure you that compliance investigations do not have an agenda. Your suggestion is naïve if not ludicrous.
You misunderstood. Journalism and media absolutely do have an agenda. It's the reason reputations are tarnished and stereotypes are solidified. Internal investigations may not have an agenda intrinsically, but they can be fueled by an individual who does.
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Agreed... internal investigators will dig and dig until they find anything to go off of when they are asked by higher-ups so as not to look incompetent. Even if that means something weird on paper. Seen too many guys lose their jobs over stuff like this. There are 2 sides to every story and we are only hearing one (so far). Seems as though the real investigation took place after he was let go - assumptions were made - and the article fails to mention the history of the NML management who initiated this internal investigation and why they chose to do so in the first place. There may have been an underlying benefit for another employee to pass this speculative information along knowing it would look wrong i.e. the inheritance of a Book of Business, elimination of the the top performer, protection from a managing partner, etc. Again, those too are speculations I am making but seems to me like all the bandwagoners just want to jump on the media's agenda setting train once again. I prefer to explore the other side of the coin. The financial industry is a doggy dog world. Every man for himself. Like I said, not the first time this has been a problem. But a 22 year career - no complaints, and all of a sudden this oddly skewed article with a very small amount of information that took 6 months to uncover? Gimbel was quoted saying no money is missing, the individual he was POA for continued to receive his checks - the other account accrued more money - so what does this tell us? He was the POA, he had the right to move the funds to other investments if he thought it would be beneficial - but perhaps they were not moved and documented correctly in accordance with NML compliance regulations. A half year investigation later, no charges, no arrests, no other clients or people coming forward and this inflated article? All speculation. He may have made a mistake, but nobody got hurt. No money is missing. Doesn't sound like any crime took place here (Gimbel said the same). Let's be careful not to make too many hasty accusations, Vobs has a family. Let's just let the facts speak for themselves when it goes to court.
And now for overtime .. You've got to be kidding me MU.
Regarding Vorbs' honesty, it's interesting to revisit how this thread got started.
You do realize that Gimbel is Vorbs' defense attorney, I assume.
A district attorney's office investigator swore out an affidavit which says:
"In 2009, 2010 and 2011, Voboril issued checks from a trust account for $50,000, $52,000 and $50,000 payable to himself. They were all deposited in Voboril's personal bank account. The beneficiary of the trust, which had $247,000 in 2007, continued to get monthly checks for $1,100 and was unaware of Voboril's withdrawals."
The beneficiary of the trust, ....was unaware of Voboril's withdrawals.
Reading between the lines, particularly the claim that no client money is missing, it seems likely to me that this is a case of a trustee making "loans" to himself from a beneficiary's account without the beneficiary's knowledge. I don't know Wisconsin law on trustees, but making withdrawals without a beneficiary's knowledge that go into a trustee's personal account, I believe is illegal in many states. It is certainly a violation of a trustee's duty to make an "investment" to which the trustee is a party without at a minimum informing the beneficiary. Self dealing is an issue anytime that the trustee is both the one in whom the investment is made as well as being the individual deciding on the appropriateness of the investment. Did anything Vorbs' did constitute theft? Even, if it did, will a district attorney prefer to plea bargain the incident down to something less? If it's true no money is missing, does this investigation have much of a priority? I don't know. One question I do know the answer to; was a trustee's duty violated, hell yes! If the beneficiary is a family member that doesn't affect any of the reasoning, it just serve to make the prosecution more problematic.
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My understanding, played on the freshman team. Nothing more.
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You misunderstood. Journalism and media absolutely do have an agenda. It's the reason reputations are tarnished and stereotypes are solidified. Internal investigations may not have an agenda intrinsically, but they can be fueled by an individual who does.
I didn't misunderstand.
BTW, why do you keep changing your user name?