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College basketball is not near the quality it used to be since guys left early for the NBA. No one can say this with a straight face.
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College basketball is not near the quality it used to be since guys left early for the NBA. No one can say this with a straight face. Early departures and kids jumping straight to the NBA has not helped the college game. I'm ok with the latter, however, if it means something like the hockey or baseball rule.IMHO open transfers will lead to tampering, full scale free agency and hurt the middle class teams. Why hang around at Loyola to see if you are good if you are a senior and can fit into a power program. Devastating effects for the college game. Will make it even more of the 1% dominating the sport. edit“It would turn into one of the dirtiest recruiting periods that you’ve ever seen,” said Archie Miller. “You’ll have guys talking to your players when they are in your gym. Coaches will recruit players right after games and now you can go directly to the source, it would cripple teams and programs.”“I think it’s ridiculous,” Chris Mack “There’s a constant narrative on social media about the mass exodus of kids and how it’s appalling so many kids opt to transfer. So now we want to make it easier to transfer? I don’t see any logic in that line of thinking. Doesn’t surprise me, but it’s a step in the wrong direction in my opinion. I transferred years ago and I sat out a year. Did me a world of good. It's not the negative people make it out to be.”“It makes it impossible to build a program,” Christian (Mt. St. Mary's Coach) said when asked about the potential rule. “These kids are going to choose your school, looking for an opportunity to move up every year. It’s going to impact everyone. You won’t be able to have depth. I don’t know if high majors think that, but I think it’ll impact every single program because if guys don’t play they’ll leave. Everyone becomes a JUCO. It’s going to impact everyone.”“The power 5 will be doing most of their recruiting off the other teams,” said Middle Tennessee State coach Kermit Davis. “Recruiting on each other's campus, ridiculous,” Davis said. “Will bring in college coaches Wrestle Mania.” “Will be the worst rule in the history of college hoops"
College basketball is near the quality it used to be since guys left early for the NBA.You can't see it but I promise I said it with a straight face.The game evolves, always has, always will. I am not really for or against transfers sitting, I just think it needs to be grounded in the mission of academics first. If you are going to make transfers sit, then make jucos, grads, and even freshmen sit. If the reason is that it would be inconvenient to some programs than that doesn't really resonate with me.
1. I disagree completely that it would have a devastating effect, chicos2, and you can't prove that it would.2. All of the gentlemen you quoted have ulterior motives. Many of these me-first coaches also want to get rid of the grad-transfer rule - they want to close the one loophole that actually favors the athletes. You remember the athletes, right? They're the unpaid dudes who make it possible for the coaches - and the entire college basketball industrial complex - to line their pockets.
Are you saying the coaches I listed want to get rid of the grad transfer rule? Do you have evidence of this? Mack, as stated, was a transfer player himself.Yes, I am aware of the student athletes. We have one in my family since graduated, we went through the process in a non revenue spot. My view is that my child benefited greatly from the system in place with an immense opportunity to have their education paid for, solid coaching, travel, and all the other perks that go with it. It isn't easy, these student athletes put in long hours, often are stars on their high school teams that do not play much in the early years of college, but life lessons are taught. College basketball players are not unpaid dudes. What is the value of a scholarship at Marquette? What is the value of a college degree over the course of a lifetime? What is the value of their experience, the people they meet to prolong their dream, the travels they take? If there was no value, how would so many of these guys make millions after college if it weren't for the college proving grounds? Would they do this on the AAU courts? The public hoops courts of New York?
zzzzzzzchicos2, as usual, lots of words to say nothing of substance.
I come from an era
You asked if I was aware of the student athlete. The answer is yes, because of one my kids was one. I answered your question directly.
It's not Chicos. The Cubs W flag is a clear indicator of it. Chicos is an Angels fan. Duh.
According to the NCAA, about 40% of all men's basketball players who enter Division I right out of high school leave their initial college by the end of their sophomore year.If you think the current "year in residence" rule discourages transfers, I'd encourage you think again. If players aren't happy somewhere, they're going to transfer. Whether they have to sit out a year or not. My theory is that the rule accomplishes nothing and we would see absolutely no difference in transfer rates if it went away.http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-transfer-division-i-men-s-basketball
Cool, c2. One of my kids was a college athlete, too. (D3 hoops.) So I guess we're both aware!What I really asked you to do was prove that transfers being eligible without sitting out a year would damage college basketball. You couldn't. Nobody can. I admit I can't prove the opposite, either. I stated an opinion, as did you. Your opinion was no more "factual" than mine or TAMU's or wades or anybody else's.As my uncle used to say: You're allowed to have an opinion just like anybody else is ... no matter how wrong yours might be!
To answer your new question, my opinion is similar to those coaches. Already we see this with the grad transfer rule where kids leave mid level programs to higher level their last year. Without sitting out a year, that then happens constantly. 40% transfer rates become 65% or 70%. I do not believe that is healthy for college basketball, in my opinion. I cannot prove it, but I would offer those coaches as expert witnesses in what would happen and the negative consequences that would follow.
Yes, theses are opinions. Let's have some fun. To my knowledge division 3 doesn't have scholarships making it a little different, but in the ballpark. With your child did you feel they were exploited or not compensated in some way because of no scholarship? We didn't feel that way in our situation, but a scholarship was provided.We were probably talking past each other as the only sentence I saw with a question mark was the one I answered. To answer your new question, my opinion is similar to those coaches. Already we see this with the grad transfer rule where kids leave mid level programs to higher level their last year. Without sitting out a year, that then happens constantly. 40% transfer rates become 65% or 70%. I do not believe that is healthy for college basketball, in my opinion. I cannot prove it, but I would offer those coaches as expert witnesses in what would happen and the negative consequences that would follow.
I have been tracking grad transfers extensively for the last four years. Nowhere close to 65-70% of players who are grad transfer eligible use a grad transfer.
I think there should be a GPA requirement to avoid the sit out year. Like a 3.5 or something.
If the NCAA changed the transfer rule tomorrow, allowing D1 scholarship athletes to be free agents every year -- just as coaches are, just as scholarship violinists and scholarship pre-med students are -- it would not materially damage college basketball. The coaches and programs would adjust, just as they have for every major rule change over the years.
Experts in their field disagree, but that is only their expert opinion. Today transfer rates are 40% per the NCAA. If free agency, predictions from experts in the field are up to double that. I provided a number of articles from experts in their field to back my opinion which I share with those experts in the field. Using simple logic, if today the rate is 40% requiring student athlete to sit, it will undoubtedly with 99.999999% certainty be much higher with no restrictions of sitting. How is that good for college basketball? Especially for smaller schools that have to work that much harder to take chances on kids to come play for them? You effectively, in my opinion, will eliminate the Loyola of Chicago runs again. Why would a Dwyane Wade stick around to play at MU, if Kentucky calls? A farm system will be created, effectively destroying college basketball in my opinion. One of the articles says ruin college basketball, those would be my words, too. Don't believe me about the Loyola example? Ask their coach, Porter Moses.If the rule goes into effect, "mid-major schools would become "a farm club system" for power conferences," says Southern Illinois coach Barry Hinson. Of course he's right, as the 'poaching' of better players from mid and low-majors would be a continuous cycle of corruption as major programs pick off the better players from smaller programs."I really think it's a dark day for our sport if it's just free agency," said Loyola coach Porter Moser.It's a death sentence to mid and low-majors.http://www.osga.com/online_gaming_articles.php?New-Proposed-Transfer-Rule-for-Immediate-Eligibility-Will-Destroy-College-Basketball-Mid-Majors-20521
Rights of the players are more important than mid-major basketball programs. People like Moser should stop whining and do a better job of keeping their players interested in sticking around.
I can see how you interpreted it that way as it was poorly written by me. It was late, almost midnight. Let me try again.What is happening already today with the grad transfer rules are kids leaving mid level programs where they have played their career and then they bounce to a higher level. The Cleveland State example in the second article below illustrates it well. I'm not against that opportunity, but it does hurt the school that invested money, time, resources into those kids. Separately, the current transfer rate is 40% per the NCAA. I'm not saying grad transfer rate is 40%, but rather all DI basketball transfer rate shows 40% will transfer to another school by the end of their sophomore year. In my opinion, that 40% moves to 65% or 70% if kids do not have to sit.