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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: WarriorPride68 on April 03, 2016, 08:17:56 PM
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@GoodmanESPN: Marquette freshman Henry Ellenson will declare for the NBA Draft and sign with an agent, source told ESPN. No surprise
https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/716795963814227968
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So, he won't be in class tomorrow, hey?
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Oh.
Nah Patrick Foley 07 aka Adam Schefter aka gaysworld says he gowne
Smokin, any thoughts?
It's funny to look back at your posting history. I think about 1/10 of your posts are about me and how wrong I am and how I'm the worst poster on Scoop. Knowing the source, I'll take that as a compliment.
Funny thing is, I'm wrong all the time. I throw out random junk constantly here. What's funny about it? You always try to call me out on the things I actually do have some knowledge on, and they end up being exactly what happens.
Keep it up though. Maybe one of these times the person will be wrong when they give me some info.
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Bittersweet day for the program. Don't ever recall where we lost one big time player and gained another all on the same day.
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Celebrate y'all! I look forward to da day when we lose lottery picks to da Association on a yearly/routine basis. Embrace da process, ai na?
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Celebrate y'all! I look forward to da day when we lose lottery picks to da Association on a yearly/routine basis. Embrace da process, ai na?
This & Congrats HE!
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We'll definitely miss him. It's hard not to imagine the possibilities with Henry in the lineup for another Big East season.
But ultimately, this is a good thing for both Henry and Marquette. He's pursuing a lifelong dream. We want players who are skilled enough to even consider leaving college early for the pros. That's one sign of a successful program. I'm sure Luke, Matt and the rest of the team are better having practiced and played alongside someone with Henry's talent. Hopefully he will stay connected with Wojo and be a great ambassador for our school.
So, thank you Henry for helping build the foundation of our next Final Four run. Good luck in the draft and with your career. Wojo, you're now officially on the clock to find his replacement.
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Celebrate y'all! I look forward to da day when we lose lottery picks to da Association on a yearly/routine basis. Embrace da process, ai na?
I do to provided we've accomplished something as a team when those lottery picks bolt MU. I can't celebrate too much losing Ellenson after only one year with no postseason from it.
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Celebrate y'all! I look forward to da day when we lose lottery picks to da Association on a yearly/routine basis. Embrace da process, ai na?
Jimmy Buckets in town tonight; had another big night after Saturday's triple double. Post game interview, was he sporting next year's MU uniforms?? If so, sweet!! Always Reppin, eh?
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.....GOWNE TRACKER....
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.....GOWNE TRACKER....
Update: He still gowne.
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Jimmy Buckets in town tonight; had another big night after Saturday's triple double. Post game interview, was he sporting next year's MU uniforms?? If so, sweet!! Always Reppin, eh?
Do you have a picture of it? Or link to the video of the interview?
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Oh.
Smokin, any thoughts?
It's funny to look back at your posting history. I think about 1/10 of your posts are about me and how wrong I am and how I'm the worst poster on Scoop. Knowing the source, I'll take that as a compliment.
Funny thing is, I'm wrong all the time. I throw out random junk constantly here. What's funny about it? You always try to call me out on the things I actually do have some knowledge on, and they end up being exactly what happens.
Keep it up though. Maybe one of these times the person will be wrong when they give me some info.
This is a pretty pathetic post.
As for Henry, this was obviously expected. Best of luck to him - hope I'm wrong, but don't see him being much of a factor next year in the league.
Hope Wojo has some real ideas for a 4. We need a rebounder bad.
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This is a pretty pathetic post.
Appreciate it.
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Do you have a picture of it? Or link to the video of the interview?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfKZ6Q5UEAAMjb2.jpg)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfKZ6Q5UEAAMjb2.jpg)
Oh nice, thanks. I thought when he said "was he sporting next year's MU uniforms?" that maybe Jimmy was wearing some kind of different MU uniform. It looks like (to me) those are this past season's uniforms...which obviously could also be next season's uniforms. Anyhow, the MU shoes he wore against the Bucks earlier this year, the jersey for the interview, etc. Great representative of MU.
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I really expected Henry to declare. I was really hoping he would not hire an agent, so he had the option to comeback. I really do not see the value in him hiring an agent at this point.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfKZ6Q5UEAAMjb2.jpg)
A Stampede for the weight room is happening, good for Luke!
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If true, thanks Henry and best of luck.
Looking forward to a Rice Lake boy and MU star doing well.
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I do to provided we've accomplished something as a team when those lottery picks bolt MU. I can't celebrate too much losing Ellenson after only one year with no postseason from it.
We did accomplish something. We climbed out of last place in the Big East standings with 4 more conference victories than the year before. We won 20 games for the first time in 3 seasons. Those may not count as accomplishments in your book, but that's real progress. Now it's time to raise the bar again.
I don't celebrating losing Henry. I celebrating having him — even if only for a single season, even if this team fell short of reaching the postseason. He's a special player who I enjoyed watching. And I hope he's only the first in a long line of NBA-worthy players we have to worry about losing.
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I really expected Henry to declare. I was really hoping he would not hire an agent, so he had the option to comeback. I really do not see the value in him hiring an agent at this point.
Don't you think it was only a matter of time this is better for the program...now his spot is OPEN, and we can offer REAL playing time to grad transfers?
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Apparently JFB has another year of eligibility.
Well, that takes care of our hole at the 4.
Unless he wants to play the 2. That could be be awkward.
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We did accomplish something. We climbed out of last place in the Big East standings with 4 more conference victories than the year before. We won 20 games for the first time in 3 seasons. Those may not count as accomplishments in your book, but that's real progress. Now it's time to raise the bar again.
Progress and accomplishment are not interchangeable.
Did we make progress this year? Of course.
Can I have some of what you're having if you consider a better than last place finish in conference an accomplishment. A 20 win season an accomplishment when you beat several teams at home in the 300 rpi area.
I don't look back very fondly on seasons where we're spectators not only for the NCAA, but NIT as well. I realize we probably make the NIT under the old selection process, but it is what it is still.
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Oh.
Smokin, any thoughts?
It's funny to look back at your posting history. I think about 1/10 of your posts are about me and how wrong I am and how I'm the worst poster on Scoop. Knowing the source, I'll take that as a compliment.
Funny thing is, I'm wrong all the time. I throw out random junk constantly here. What's funny about it? You always try to call me out on the things I actually do have some knowledge on, and they end up being exactly what happens.
Keep it up though. Maybe one of these times the person will be wrong when they give me some info.
Never should have given you a hard time Wades, fact of the matter is I had no idea until this morning that you were a 14 year old coaching prodigy. It all makes sense now how you've managed to build such a connected web of sources in your early twenties. But where did you ever get the intel to predict that a consensus top 10 pick was gowne after just 1 year? Got to say you stuck to your guns and deserve the credit for breaking this scoop, take a look in the mirror tonight before bed and remind yourself that your still the unnatural carnal knowledgeing man.
Couldn't be happier for Henry though, this has been what he's been working towards for years now. Great kid, been an outstanding representive of the university on all fronts and will continue to do so.
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Progress and accomplishment are not interchangeable.
Did we make progress this year? Of course.
Can I have some of what you're having if you consider a better than last place finish in conference an accomplishment. A 20 win season an accomplishment when you beat several teams at home in the 300 rpi area.
I don't look back very fondly on seasons where we're spectators not only for the NCAA, but NIT as well. I realize we probably make the NIT under the old selection process, but it is what it is still.
More times than not, this team entertained me.
My wife and I were in Brooklyn and had a blast. Watched the Wisconsin and Providence road games with big MU contingents and enjoyed it thoroughly. Loved the other Providence win, the Creighton win, the Butler win, the GT win. Enjoyed several others. Frustrated by a few, too, of course. Glad to have gotten the chance to have seen Henry, who helped Wojo's credibility as a recruiter and who was helped by Wojo's staff as the season progressed.
Maybe that's not an "accomplishment." But I was mostly happy with our progress and our product, and I'm excited about the future.
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Good for Henry. He's a likely lottery pick and is making the best professional decision for his future. He will be missed, but Wojo has shown getting high level talent isn't a problem. Really hope we can get a grad transfer rebounder to fill that spot for next year, then hopefully the emphasis on bigs in 2017 will pay off.
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I really expected Henry to declare. I was really hoping he would not hire an agent, so he had the option to comeback. I really do not see the value in him hiring an agent at this point.
Hes not coming back. He knows where hes getting drafted. Once he declares, he gone.
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Oh nice, thanks. I thought when he said "was he sporting next year's MU uniforms?" that maybe Jimmy was wearing some kind of different MU uniform. It looks like (to me) those are this past season's uniforms...which obviously could also be next season's uniforms. Anyhow, the MU shoes he wore against the Bucks earlier this year, the jersey for the interview, etc. Great representative of MU.
My bad. The Comcast live feed only showed the very top, and I didn't realize the current jerseys had triangular-like "flair" on the shoulders. Thought it was a modern take on our old camouflage gear. Gee, I feel stupid!
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Happy for Henry
I may not think he is ready yet but good for him. Hopefully he has a good workout and if he keeps working on his game and athleticism he can make it.
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Hes not coming back. He knows where hes getting drafted. Once he declares, he gone.
That is reasonable thinking. However, I do not think hiring an agent improves Henry's stock. I also do not think it hurts Henry's stock. He is going to be drafted based on his potential. Basically, the only thing it accomplishes is giving up the opportunity to comeback. I would think he would of only comeback, if he found he was not going in the top 20. He is not likely to fall that far, but why give up the ability to change your mind.
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Never should have given you a hard time Wades, fact of the matter is I had no idea until this morning that you were a 14 year old coaching prodigy. It all makes sense now how you've managed to build such a connected web of sources in your early twenties. But where did you ever get the intel to predict that a consensus top 10 pick was gowne after just 1 year? Got to say you stuck to your guns and deserve the credit for breaking this scoop, take a look in the mirror tonight before bed and remind yourself that your still the unnatural carnal knowledgeing man.
Couldn't be happier for Henry though, this has been what he's been working towards for years now. Great kid, been an outstanding representive of the university on all fronts and will continue to do so.
I have been doing that every night for a long time now. Glad to finally have your approval.
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More times than not, this team entertained me.
My wife and I were in Brooklyn and had a blast. Watched the Wisconsin and Providence road games with big MU contingents and enjoyed it thoroughly. Loved the other Providence win, the Creighton win, the Butler win, the GT win. Enjoyed several others. Frustrated by a few, too, of course. Glad to have gotten the chance to have seen Henry, who helped Wojo's credibility as a recruiter and who was helped by Wojo's staff as the season progressed.
Maybe that's not an "accomplishment." But I was mostly happy with our progress and our product, and I'm excited about the future.
+1. Well put.
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My bad. The Comcast live feed only showed the very top, and I didn't realize the current jerseys had triangular-like "flair" on the shoulders. Thought it was a modern take on our old camouflage gear. Gee, I feel stupid!
Haha no problem. Was just excited about the possibility of new uniforms, and always love seeing our pro alums representing Marquette.
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Progress and accomplishment are not interchangeable.
Did we make progress this year? Of course.
I don't look back very fondly on seasons where we're spectators not only for the NCAA, but NIT as well. I realize we probably make the NIT under the old selection process, but it is what it is still.
Fair points. There's no participation award in NCAA basketball. But after the 2014-15 season, I do think progress is an accomplishment — not the ultimate goal, but a critical step along the way.
I think back to the progress with Kevin O'Neill's first recruiting class. McIlvane, Key and Logtermann finished 11-18 season their first year together. But you could see the talent and potential. They showed clear improvement the next season, despite missing the NIT at 16-13. Marquette's first NCAA bid in a decade followed the next year.
I do remember and appreciate those 11-18 and 16-13 teams — not because they fell short of the postseason, but because they represented the desire, hard work and struggle it takes to build a successful college basketball program.
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Congratulations to Henry. Loved what he did while he was here and will always appreciate it. Will love watching another MU Alum in the Association.
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too bad the one year we get a burger boy the team is poor.....what a waste. lsu probably thinkin the same thing. at this point i kinda wish we would have gotten a solid 4 year contributor (another cheatham), which would be better for the program in the long run
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I find this decision by Ellenson to be pretty self-centered.
Doesn't he realize how good Marquette could be if he would return?
Frankly, I find his selfishness to be rather off-putting.
I had hoped that the value of a Marquette diploma would have cemented his loyalty. Obviously, he does not make Scoop a go-to source of information.
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We did accomplish something. We climbed out of last place in the Big East standings with 4 more conference victories than the year before. We won 20 games for the first time in 3 seasons. Those may not count as accomplishments in your book, but that's real progress. Now it's time to raise the bar again.
I don't celebrating losing Henry. I celebrating having him — even if only for a single season, even if this team fell short of reaching the postseason. He's a special player who I enjoyed watching. And I hope he's only the first in a long line of NBA-worthy players we have to worry about losing.
Marquette has had a lot of special players, on teams that won. sure henry was very good, but I'd hardly list a guy who put up big numbers in one season on a bad team as one of our programs' special players
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That is reasonable thinking. However, I do not think hiring an agent improves Henry's stock. I also do not think it hurts Henry's stock. He is going to be drafted based on his potential. Basically, the only thing it accomplishes is giving up the opportunity to comeback. I would think he would of only comeback, if he found he was not going in the top 20. He is not likely to fall that far, but why give up the ability to change your mind.
A good agent can help Henry in his preparation for the draft — finding the right trainers, offering pointers for team and media interviews, sharing advice and information about workouts and the combine, connecting with financial advisors, et cetera.
Presumably, Henry's heard enough that he's comfortable with his draft standing. An agent's job is to help Henry focus on what's ahead and maximize his value to a future NBA team in every way possible.
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Marquette has had a lot of special players, on teams that won. sure henry was very good, but I'd hardly list a guy who put up big numbers in one season on a bad team as one of our programs' special players
I would agree, he was a volume shooter, that was an average or below average 3 point shooter, could not defend a lick, but was an above average rebounder, and
for his size has a great handle. Not even close to the top players at MU. A great player if he stayed 4 years. A nice bench warmer in the NBA next year.
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Marquette has had a lot of special players, on teams that won. sure henry was very good, but I'd hardly list a guy who put up big numbers in one season on a bad team as one of our programs' special players
To each his own. But by this logic, there was nothing special about Tony Smith. Since he never played in the NCAA tourney, he's just another guy, right? To me, he's one of the greatest players I've ever seen wear a Marquette uniform.
I'm not saying this was a great season. I have higher expectations for the program, the same as everyone here. But I also appreciate what Henry did as a freshman, leading the conference in rebounding and being named a first-team all-Big East player. His game was pretty special.
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Great day for Marquette. Thanks so much Henry. You're welcome back anytime.
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A good agent can help Henry in his preparation for the draft — finding the right trainers, offering pointers for team and media interviews, sharing advice and information about workouts and the combine, connecting with financial advisors, et cetera.
Presumably, Henry's heard enough that he's comfortable with his draft standing. An agent's job is to help Henry focus on what's ahead and maximize his value to a future NBA team in every way possible.
Bingo. When people were upset that I was telling them Hank was gowne, the response I got when I asked why Hank hadn't announced yet was in hopes that I'd hear, "He's weighing his options," was instead, "It takes a while to find the right agent." This was a process that was a long time in the making. He's handling it the right way and he'll have a long, successful career at the next level. Glad he played his one year at Marquette.
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That is reasonable thinking. However, I do not think hiring an agent improves Henry's stock. I also do not think it hurts Henry's stock. He is going to be drafted based on his potential. Basically, the only thing it accomplishes is giving up the opportunity to comeback. I would think he would of only comeback, if he found he was not going in the top 20. He is not likely to fall that far, but why give up the ability to change your mind.
It's better for everyone to know and move on. He can focus on the draft without having to split time with classes, and MU can move forward with recruiting. No sense in life lingering on decisions when they have been made.
Plus, good for him and good for Marquette. He was a one-and-done wherever he went, glad our name gets called when he is drafted.
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Rest assured that Wojo knew today was coming since the first time he landed in Rice Lake.
This was always part of the plan.
Now we get to see what the next step in Wojo's plan is.
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Celebrate y'all! I look forward to da day when we lose lottery picks to da Association on a yearly/routine basis. Embrace da process, ai na?
Exactly ....
Happy for the program that this June at the NBA draft Wojo will be seen on TV hugging an NBA lottery pick.
Can't by that publicity.
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That is reasonable thinking. However, I do not think hiring an agent improves Henry's stock. I also do not think it hurts Henry's stock. He is going to be drafted based on his potential. Basically, the only thing it accomplishes is giving up the opportunity to comeback. I would think he would of only comeback, if he found he was not going in the top 20. He is not likely to fall that far, but why give up the ability to change your mind.
Maybe your right, but it seems a bit self centered. Now the recruiting picture is much clearer and recruits that are interested have a better idea of their options. Henry, still a team player1
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Good luck Henry!
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Exactly ....
Happy for the program that this June at the NBA draft Wojo will be seen on TV hugging an NBA lottery pick.
Can't by that publicity.
You got that Right
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To each his own. But by this logic, there was nothing special about Tony Smith. Since he never played in the NCAA tourney, he's just another guy, right? To me, he's one of the greatest players I've ever seen wear a Marquette uniform.
Couldn't agree more. ;D
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To each his own. But by this logic, there was nothing special about Tony Smith. Since he never played in the NCAA tourney, he's just another guy, right? To me, he's one of the greatest players I've ever seen wear a Marquette uniform.
I'm not saying this was a great season. I have higher expectations for the program, the same as everyone here. But I also appreciate what Henry did as a freshman, leading the conference in rebounding and being named a first-team all-Big East player. His game was pretty special.
+1
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Was thinking about Henry's legacy here at MU and was wondering if he'll be like our version of Lance Stephenson. Huge recruit that made the team competitive but ultimately couldn't get over the hump. However it was a sure sign of good things to come as six years later Cincinatti hasn't missed a tournament since.
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Was thinking about Henry's legacy here at MU and was wondering if he'll be like our version of Lance Stephenson. Can't miss recruit from the backyard, that made the team competitive but ultimately couldn't get over the hump. However it was a sure sign of good things to come as six years later Cincinatti hasn't missed a tournament since.
This is a fluffy idea other then the inconvenient truth that Stephenson wasn't from Cincinnati. Or Ohio for that matter.
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This is a fluffy idea other then the inconvenient truth that Stephenson wasn't from Cincinnati. Or Ohio for that matter.
I know he wasn't notice the edit that I made like 30seconds after I posted. He was still a huge recruit for a major program that was going through a rebuild that couldn't get the team over the hump.
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Was thinking about Henry's legacy here at MU and was wondering if he'll be like our version of Lance Stephenson. Huge recruit that made the team competitive but ultimately couldn't get over the hump. However it was a sure sign of good things to come as six years later Cincinatti hasn't missed a tournament since.
By the same token, he could be like our version of Ben Simmons...
I wish Henry the best - Chad Ford's latest mock draft has him going to the Timberwolves, which could be cool from the standpoint of continuing to follow him. It's nice that Jeff Goodman reported some information from his sources, but I'd still like to hear the announcement from Henry himself. I hope he gives it to Matty V.
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Marquette has had a lot of special players, on teams that won. sure henry was very good, but I'd hardly list a guy who put up big numbers in one season on a bad team as one of our programs' special players
BE Freshman of the Year
First team All BE
First team freshman All American
By definition this is a special player. I have no idea why people can't acknowledge that.
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BE Freshman of the Year
First team All BE
First team freshman All American
By definition this is a special player. I have no idea why people can't acknowledge that.
Because people are used to "special" players doing tons of things that make you go "WOW". Henry is very efficient and fundamentally sound in a lot of ways, but isn't overly athletic. Hence people making comments about "easy rebounds". He's not soaring 20 feet to grab them, but his positioning and instinct for the ball and being nearly automatic from mid range are why he's going to have a LONG NBA career. Unfortunately for some, they can't appreciate that as much as someone more flashy.
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@GoodmanESPN: Marquette freshman Henry Ellenson will declare for the NBA Draft and sign with an agent, source told ESPN. No surprise
https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/716795963814227968
Most likely Goodman's source is the agent that wants to sign Henry. What is the motivation of the agent for leaking this story? What is he hoping to accomplish? If he is going to sign why not wait until the real announcement and go to town with the press?
More specifically, what kind of pressure is he attempting to put on Henry?
Maybe forcing him to sign as he is suggesting/implying that he has talked to an agent and burn is ability to return? Why do that? Maybe because he's still on the fence and heeds a "nudge" toward signing with him?
Remember this is still a high stakes big dollar industry.
"It's not personal, it's only business."
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Heisenberg, I happen to agree with you on this one. A "source" leaking something to Jeff Goodman is not the same as a #donedeal. If it is an attempt to put pressure on Henry, I bet mom and pop Ellenson will start wondering if this particular source has Henry's best interests at heart. Interesting how this comes about a week and a half after we had the Givoney leak that Henry's "camp" was scheduling agent meetings. Someone that doesn't appear to be the Ellenson family is putting out info, possibly for personal gain.
I understand in the 24/7 news world, everyone is desperate for information and wants to break the big story. But every other ESPN story seems to be a result of a player announcement, and not anonymous sourcing. Of course, nobody has refuted the story either.
I still believe Henry is going, and I'm glad he has a good family to help him navigate the process, unlike those sketchy "advisors" and "guardians" that seem to be cropping up around a lot of 5 star recruits and potential lottery picks. An announcement sooner rather than later can only help the team, as suddenly there is a glaring hole at PF where some good grad transfer can see his opportunity to come in and be "the guy."
BTW, just talking to an agent doesn't disqualify you from anything. You aren't out for sure until you sign on the dotted line.
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BE Freshman of the Year
First team All BE
First team freshman All American
By definition this is a special player. I have no idea why people can't acknowledge that.
+1
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Very bittersweet. Obviously would have loved him back at MU for another year, but he is a great player and is pursuing his dream. Good for him. I truly believe he is good enough to be drafted top 5. Go get it Henry! We will miss you.
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BE Freshman of the Year
First team All BE
First team freshman All American
By definition this is a special player. I have no idea why people can't acknowledge that.
Concur.
I don't understand why people cannot appreciate how really good the guy is. He is a rare talent. I am proud he played for Marquette.
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BE Freshman of the Year
First team All BE
First team freshman All American
By definition this is a special player. I have no idea why people can't acknowledge that.
Yep. And he's making the right decision to leave now.
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If you're a lottery pick, the money is there--TAKE IT! Who knows about next year.
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BTW, just talking to an agent doesn't disqualify you from anything. You aren't out for sure until you sign on the dotted line.
I always thought the NCAA rules were unnecessarily ambiguous in that regard... sure, you can talk to anyone, but if that person happens to be an NBA players' agent and you're still in school, every bit of that conversation is going to be scrutinized heavily by the NCAA such that (my understanding is) most coaches act as - or have on their staff - an intermediary of sorts to keep student-athlete (including parents) and agent(s) at requisite distance until such time that an actual decision has made. In other words, while talking to an agent may not disqualify that particular student-athlete, it can certainly have ramifications for his institution (depending on what is said, follow-up, etc.). And frankly, I don't care if it's a secondary or tertiary violation, no NCAA action is good... unless you're Syracuse, North Carolina, etc.
So even if HE goes, hopefully he and his parents do everything by the book and Wojo is kept 100% in the loop.
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I wonder if this affects Wally's decision to play hoops next season. Could open yet another schollie that wasn't available a week ago.
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I wonder if this affects Wally's decision to play hoops next season. Could open yet another schollie that wasn't available a week ago.
Didn't Wally decide to come here to play basketball before Henry did? And don't you think Wally had a good idea that lil bro was gonna be gone after a year? I guess I'm not sure where "Henry leaving will make Wally leave" narrative started.
I could certainly see him wanting to pursue his track career more seriously since he is much better in that arena, but I don't think Henry leaving is what will make him do so.
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I had been on record for a long time here that Henry was 100% gone after his freshman year. Having spoken to Henry in person, spoken to someone in the shoe industry, an off record conversation with an NBA scout, I was 100% convinced last April he was one and done. At the McDonald's events last week, the person in the shoe industry I spoke with reiterated Henry's intention of seeking the best agent/representation possible. HE is a good kid, from a good family, making the right decision.
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I guess I'm not sure where "Henry leaving will make Wally leave" narrative started.
The barber shop- http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48207.msg823823#msg823823
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The barber shop- http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48207.msg823823#msg823823
I saw that, and I appreciate BDH84 as much as the next guy. But in his tale, he (Wally) chooses to follow brother (Henry) to the first great salon (MU). In reality, Wally chose MU first and then came Henry.
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I saw that, and I appreciate BDH84 as much as the next guy. But in his tale, he (Wally) chooses to follow brother (Henry) to the first great salon (MU). In reality, Wally chose MU first and then came Henry.
True. But the reality is that Henry was basically ours once Wally committed
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BE Freshman of the Year
First team All BE
First team freshman All American
By definition this is a special player. I have no idea why people can't acknowledge that.
Individual awards are nice, but I am a Marqutte fan first and foremost, and the most important stat is wins. In recent history I would put D-Wade, Jackson, Diener, Novak, James, Mcneal, Matthews, Hayward, Crowder, DJO, and Blue all well ahead of Henry as Marquette players. Henry put up big numbers as a freshman, but I've never been a huge fan of guys who put up big numbers on unsuccessful teams
Having Henry for one year was nice, but the outcome was somewhat disappointing for MU as the team couldn't even make the NIT in his only year here
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Individual awards are nice, but I am a Marqutte fan first and foremost, and the most important stat is wins. In recent history I would put D-Wade, Jackson, Diener, Novak, James, Mcneal, Matthews, Hayward, Crowder, DJO, and Blue all well ahead of Henry as Marquette players. Henry put up big numbers as a freshman, but I've never been a huge fan of guys who put up big numbers on unsuccessful teams
Having Henry for one year was nice, but the outcome was somewhat disappointing for MU as the team couldn't even make the NIT in his only year here
Couldn't agree more.
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Individual awards are nice, but I am a Marqutte fan first and foremost, and the most important stat is wins. In recent history I would put D-Wade, Jackson, Diener, Novak, James, Mcneal, Matthews, Hayward, Crowder, DJO, and Blue all well ahead of Henry as Marquette players. Henry put up big numbers as a freshman, but I've never been a huge fan of guys who put up big numbers on unsuccessful teams
Having Henry for one year was nice, but the outcome was somewhat disappointing for MU as the team couldn't even make the NIT in his only year here
"Well ahead" seems to be an understatement. I'd go with "way, way, WAY ahead."
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Individual awards are nice, but I am a Marqutte fan first and foremost, and the most important stat is wins. In recent history I would put D-Wade, Jackson, Diener, Novak, James, Mcneal, Matthews, Hayward, Crowder, DJO, and Blue all well ahead of Henry as Marquette players. Henry put up big numbers as a freshman, but I've never been a huge fan of guys who put up big numbers on unsuccessful teams
Having Henry for one year was nice, but the outcome was somewhat disappointing for MU as the team couldn't even make the NIT in his only year here
Well said, it was nice knowing you and good luck, I hope the career is successful because the bonus money will run out in no time. I really mean it, I hope the best for him he seems like a really nice kid.
The work horses you mentioned are true troopers, true warriors.
I noticed on the VaTec website that Buzz is taking credit for most of them. It shows them in their NBA uniforms on the VaTec site, amazing and a little misleading.
Does Marquette take credit for HE and show him in his NBA uniform in our promotional material?
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Individual awards are nice, but I am a Marqutte fan first and foremost, and the most important stat is wins. In recent history I would put D-Wade, Jackson, Diener, Novak, James, Mcneal, Matthews, Hayward, Crowder, DJO, and Blue all well ahead of Henry as Marquette players. Henry put up big numbers as a freshman, but I've never been a huge fan of guys who put up big numbers on unsuccessful teams
Having Henry for one year was nice, but the outcome was somewhat disappointing for MU as the team couldn't even make the NIT in his only year here
Rob Frozena > Henry Ellenson
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Individual awards are nice, but I am a Marqutte fan first and foremost, and the most important stat is wins. In recent history I would put D-Wade, Jackson, Diener, Novak, James, Mcneal, Matthews, Hayward, Crowder, DJO, and Blue all well ahead of Henry as Marquette players. Henry put up big numbers as a freshman, but I've never been a huge fan of guys who put up big numbers on unsuccessful teams
Having Henry for one year was nice, but the outcome was somewhat disappointing for MU as the team couldn't even make the NIT in his only year here
So Henry doesn't get your label as a "special player" because the team was a disappointment? That really doesn't make a lot of sense.
If you want to say the team wasn't special or the team wasn't special I get that. But Henry did everything he could. Special player.
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Special players find a way to get their teams to the tournament. He was a very good player.
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Special players find a way to get their teams to the tournament. He was a very good player.
Ben Simons sucks.
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What a great end to a fantastic season. Blaming the best freshman MU has had in the modern era.
If you want to relive the season go to another thread.
Good luck HE. Glad to have been able to see you play in blue and gold.
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Crean sucks
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Special players find a way to get their teams to the tournament. He was a very good player.
Lol. So he can't be "special" because his teammates weren't good enough? Tony Smith wasn't special then?
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Heisenberg, I happen to agree with you on this one. A "source" leaking something to Jeff Goodman is not the same as a #donedeal. If it is an attempt to put pressure on Henry, I bet mom and pop Ellenson will start wondering if this particular source has Henry's best interests at heart. Interesting how this comes about a week and a half after we had the Givoney leak that Henry's "camp" was scheduling agent meetings. Someone that doesn't appear to be the Ellenson family is putting out info, possibly for personal gain.
I understand in the 24/7 news world, everyone is desperate for information and wants to break the big story. But every other ESPN story seems to be a result of a player announcement, and not anonymous sourcing. Of course, nobody has refuted the story either.
I still believe Henry is going, and I'm glad he has a good family to help him navigate the process, unlike those sketchy "advisors" and "guardians" that seem to be cropping up around a lot of 5 star recruits and potential lottery picks. An announcement sooner rather than later can only help the team, as suddenly there is a glaring hole at PF where some good grad transfer can see his opportunity to come in and be "the guy."
BTW, just talking to an agent doesn't disqualify you from anything. You aren't out for sure until you sign on the dotted line.
Ok, so what is the agent's motivation for leaking to Goodman that HE is close to signing? I think we agree it is to "nudge" him.
Is it to run off other agents? Henry is going to sign with me so if he calls you is just to get a second opinion, you're not getting him.
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Special players find a way to get their teams to the tournament. He was a very good player.
Dr. J averaged 32 points and 20 rebounds for UMass and failed to make the NCAA tournament; Pistol Pete averaged 44 points for LSU and failed to make the NCAA tournament.
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True. But the reality is that Henry was basically ours once Wally committed
I think that Wally gets more of Henry's minutes than any other returning player.
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Dr. J averaged 32 points and 20 rebounds for UMass and failed to make the NCAA tournament; Pistol Pete averaged 44 points for LSU and failed to make the NCAA tournament.
Those weren't 68 team tournaments. I still appreciate Henry for being a great player, but I agree that it's hard to find the same kind of attachment after just 1 year and no March memories.
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Special players find a way to get their teams to the tournament. He was a very good player.
Other not special players:
Damian Lillard
Paul George
Klay Thompson
Chris Bosh
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Other not special players:
Damian Lillard
Paul George
Klay Thompson
Chris Bosh
KG
Kobe
LeBron
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Other not special players:
Damian Lillard
Paul George
Klay Thompson
Chris Bosh
I'm quite certain that Georgia Tech fans would say that BJ Elder and Jarret Jack were more special to the program than Chris Bosh. Sure Bosh was a more "special player" but relative to the program Elder and Jack were more special and I think that was the original point regarding Ellenson being compared to Hayward, DJO, McNeal etc.
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Those weren't 68 team tournaments. I still appreciate Henry for being a great player, but I agree that it's hard to find the same kind of attachment after just 1 year and no March memories.
+1
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Those weren't 68 team tournaments. I still appreciate Henry for being a great player, but I agree that it's hard to find the same kind of attachment after just 1 year and no March memories.
Frankly the number of teams is pointless in this argument since it is being argued special players should be able to get there 'no matter how bad there teammates are'.
If you don't have the emotional attachment to Henry because of one year, that is fine/your problem. It doesn't take away from the fact that Henry is a special player, represented Marquette well, and will continue to do so going forward.
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If you don't have the emotional attachment to Henry because of one year, that is fine/your problem. It doesn't take away from the fact that Henry is a special player, represented Marquette well, and will continue to do so going forward.
Absolutely right. I'll follow him closely, and celebrate his successes just like Dwyane, Novak, Wes, Jimmy, Jae, and the other guys who got a cup of coffee.
But there is something to the ties being stronger to guys who were here for a few years. Nothing wrong with it.
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Nor does it take away the possibility that HE's emotional attachment to MU, though he's gowne, may be stronger than your emotional attachment to him.
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I'm quite certain that Georgia Tech fans would say that BJ Elder and Jarret Jack were more special to the program than Chris Bosh. Sure Bosh was a more "special player" but relative to the program Elder and Jack were more special and I think that was the original point regarding Ellenson being compared to Hayward, DJO, McNeal etc.
Fine, but now you've changed it from "special player" to "special to the program." Not the same thing.
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Hope he finishes the semester in good standing. That APR ain't all that purty for #mubb, a''inal?
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I'm quite certain that Georgia Tech fans would say that BJ Elder and Jarret Jack were more special to the program than Chris Bosh. Sure Bosh was a more "special player" but relative to the program Elder and Jack were more special and I think that was the original point regarding Ellenson being compared to Hayward, DJO, McNeal etc.
Yup. My wife is a GT alum, and she loves Jarret Jack. She didn't even know Chris Bosh went to GT until I told her about it a few years ago.
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Well said, it was nice knowing you and good luck, I hope the career is successful because the bonus money will run out in no time. I really mean it, I hope the best for him he seems like a really nice kid.
The work horses you mentioned are true troopers, true warriors.
I noticed on the VaTec website that Buzz is taking credit for most of them. It shows them in their NBA uniforms on the VaTec site, amazing and a little misleading.
Does Marquette take credit for HE and show him in his NBA uniform in our promotional material?
Nah man, all HE-related MU promotional material will feature him in a plain white tee
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What a silly argument.
I'm glad HE chose Marquette. I enjoyed watching him play. The team would have been worse without him.
I will have fond memories of him in a Marquette uniform.
I will have fonder memories of the Wade-Diener crew because they delivered us to the Final Four and played for a longer time at Marquette.
I don't believe those points are mutually exclusive.
I also don't believe those points have anything to do with whether or not Henry was a "special player." Of course he was.
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I think that Wally gets more of Henry's minutes than any other returning player.
If that's true next year won't be any better than this one.
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tower and I discussed this at dinner last night. Henry came along at an exact imperfect time for Marquette. If he were added to virtually any of Buzz or Crean's teams of the past decade, he would have turned very good teams into national title contenders. If he had come along 2-3 years from now, he may very well do the same to a Wojo coached team.
However what he did do was give credibility to a young coach and make what was by all accounts a fairly mundane season enjoyable and entertaining to watch. Henry will likely own freshmen records for a long, long time and should be remembered as one of the true greats to come through Marquette, though our lack of tourney success in his fleeting time here may diminish that.
Henry is probably the greatest freshman ever to play at Marquette, but when all is said and done, I expect he will go down as the third most influential player in his own recruiting class. I think Cheatham and Carter will give us a lot of memories in the next three years.
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If that's true next year won't be any better than this one.
+11
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tower and I discussed this at dinner last night. Henry came along at an exact imperfect time for Marquette. If he were added to virtually any of Buzz or Crean's teams of the past decade, he would have turned very good teams into national title contenders. If he had come along 2-3 years from now, he may very well do the same to a Wojo coached team.
However what he did do was give credibility to a young coach and make what was by all accounts a fairly mundane season enjoyable and entertaining to watch. Henry will likely own freshmen records for a long, long time and should be remembered as one of the true greats to come through Marquette, though our lack of tourney success in his fleeting time here may diminish that.
Henry is probably the greatest freshman ever to play at Marquette, but when all is said and done, I expect he will go down as the third most influential player in his own recruiting class. I think Cheatham and Carter will give us a lot of memories in the next three years.
Perfectly said
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Dr. J averaged 32 points and 20 rebounds for UMass and failed to make the NCAA tournament; Pistol Pete averaged 44 points for LSU and failed to make the NCAA tournament.
The 1970 NCAA only had 25 teams and the NIT was 16. So Dr. J and Pistol Pete teams were among the top 41 . It was a different era.
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Brew
I agree with you and Tower regarding timing of HE. If Wojo is the guy to turn things around the signing of HE very well may be the foundation he needed to create. If Rick had landed Wolf his legacy would have changed in similar manner. I do think you might be scaling back on the importance of Carter played down the road but hoping you are right.
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Individual awards are nice, but I am a Marqutte fan first and foremost, and the most important stat is wins. In recent history I would put D-Wade, Jackson, Diener, Novak, James, Mcneal, Matthews, Hayward, Crowder, DJO, and Blue all well ahead of Henry as Marquette players. Henry put up big numbers as a freshman, but I've never been a huge fan of guys who put up big numbers on unsuccessful teams
Having Henry for one year was nice, but the outcome was somewhat disappointing for MU as the team couldn't even make the NIT in his only year here
So it's Henry's fault that Buzz left the cupboard bare and the players that were here, like Luke and Duane under performed this season? Henry has been nothing but a great player and an outstanding ambassador for the university, so what if he couldn't take this team to the dance....which one of those players you named could have in their freshmen year???
Henry is the best freshmen Marquette has seen since George Thompson, if that's not sufficient for you, enjoy your bitter off season.
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So it's Henry's fault that Buzz left the cupboard bare and the players that were here, like Luke and Duane under performed this season? Henry has been nothing but a great player and an outstanding ambassador for the university, so what if he couldn't take this team to the dance....which one of those players you named could have in their freshmen year???
Henry is the best freshmen Marquette has seen since George Thompson, if that's not sufficient for you, enjoy your bitter off season.
Fresman were not eligible in George's days. So, it would be since Bo Ellis
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Fresman were not eligible in George's days. So, it would be since Bo Ellis
I was just coming back to write this because I just remember that....so yeah Bo Ellis and I would argue that Henry as a freshmen > Bo as a freshman
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Ivs accepted the fact that he's gone and really appreciated what he did for a year. But, I really wish he would just announce that he's leaving already. It's not a secret anymore.
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Ivs accepted the fact that he's gone and really appreciated what he did for a year. But, I really wish he would just announce that he's leaving already. It's not a secret anymore.
+1
That said, I wonder if his delay is that he's able to keep some 'handlers' at bay by saying "I haven't announced and so I can't talk to you" (though he probably is speaking with various agent-types and others anyway).
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Ivs accepted the fact that he's gone and really appreciated what he did for a year. But, I really wish he would just announce that he's leaving already. It's not a secret anymore.
What's the difference? Why would this be such a big thing for you to wish it so?
Anyone who needs to know has been well aware for 13 days now, that includes teammates and staff and recruits.
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Henry Just tweeted. Official
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BD1Wpz5Ab-O/
"I officially announce that I will be entering the NBA Draft, and hiring an Agent. This has been my dream ever since I fell in love with the game growing up in Rice Lake. Without the love and support of my Mom, Dad, brothers-Wally and Ellwood, and sister, Ella, this opportunity would not be possible. I want to thank Coach Wojo and the rest of the coaching staff at Marquette for the help they have given me to grow as a player and as a person. I would also like to thank President Dr. Lovell, Athletic Director, Dr. Scholl, Academic Advisors, Adrienne, Katie, and Meryl, Strength Coach Todd, Trainer Yoder, and the office personnel and managers for all their support. In addition, I want to thank my teammates for their trust and friendship we have built over this last year as a brotherhood; I know these bonds will last a lifetime. Furthermore, I would like to thank the fans for their unwavering support for the team throughout the season. Lastly, I will like to thank my entire family for continuing to inspire me to do great things, and letting me know there are no limits to what I can do."
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BD1Wpz5Ab-O/
"I officially announce that I will be entering the NBA Draft, and hiring an Agent. This has been my dream ever since I fell in love with the game growing up in Rice Lake. Without the love and support of my Mom, Dad, brothers-Wally and Ellwood, and sister, Ella, this opportunity would not be possible. I want to thank Coach Wojo and the rest of the coaching staff at Marquette for the help they have given me to grow as a player and as a person. I would also like to thank President Dr. Lovell, Athletic Director, Dr. Scholl, Academic Advisors, Adrienne, Katie, and Meryl, Strength Coach Todd, Trainer Yoder, and the office personnel and managers for all their support. In addition, I want to thank my teammates for their trust and friendship we have built over this last year as a brotherhood; I know these bonds will last a lifetime. Furthermore, I would like to thank the fans for their unwavering support for the team throughout the season. Lastly, I will like to thank my entire family for continuing to inspire me to do great things, and letting me know there are no limits to what I can do."
Seems to me he will be drafted by the T Wolves.
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Classy to hold the announcement until after the tournament. Good luck Hank, we will always have Butler in January.
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I will always remember HE in the WI game. That was great to see how dis-jointed they became and the Bo bombshell that followed.
I hope the legend grows in that story....
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HOW DARE HE NOT THANK SCOOP BY NAME!!
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Oh, wait, he did say "unwavering", didn't he...
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HOW DARE HE NOT THANK SCOOP BY NAME!!
I'm with you. We deserved better
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HOW DARE HE NOT THANK SCOOP BY NAME!!
My sources are telling me that losing the SOTG vote 12 times was a BIG reason for turning pro.
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I'm with you. We deserved better
+1
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Henry made the only call that made sense. Good luck to him.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BD1Wpz5Ab-O/
"I officially announce that I will be entering the NBA Draft, and hiring an Agent. This has been my dream ever since I fell in love with the game growing up in Rice Lake. Without the love and support of my Mom, Dad, brothers-Wally and Ellwood, and sister, Ella, this opportunity would not be possible. I want to thank Coach Wojo and the rest of the coaching staff at Marquette for the help they have given me to grow as a player and as a person. I would also like to thank President Dr. Lovell, Athletic Director, Dr. Scholl, Academic Advisors, Adrienne, Katie, and Meryl, Strength Coach Todd, Trainer Yoder, and the office personnel and managers for all their support. In addition, I want to thank my teammates for their trust and friendship we have built over this last year as a brotherhood; I know these bonds will last a lifetime. Furthermore, I would like to thank the fans for their unwavering support for the team throughout the season. Lastly, I will like to thank my entire family for continuing to inspire me to do great things, and letting me know there are no limits to what I can do."
Oh.
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My sources are telling me that losing the SOTG vote 12 times was a BIG reason for turning pro.
And losing the last one to a Villanova player no less
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I like to think that scoop pushed him to announce publicly, after I posted he announced shortly after ;D
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Oh.
But he loves college!