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Semantics. My "incidents of this nature" was referring to a person indiscriminately targeting a large group of people with lethal means without regard for numbers of injuries/fatalities. Again, I agree that you can mitigate the severity of these attacks (i.e. reduce the numbers of injuries/fatalities), but you're not going to stop them completely. The problem is that the left wants complete "elimination" and the right wants complete "freedom" (neither of which are realistic), and of course, this being a hot-button political issue, a solution that would save more lives (but not all) just isn't going to happen. That's what a turn-out based politic environment is all about... don't give up the ship, and never compromise.
The moment I see draft language of a Constitutional Amendment repealing or modifying the 2nd Amendment being advanced for ratification in blue states, then I'll take people seriously when they say things like "Congress should get of its a** and do something." There's a mechanism to advance gun control, but I haven't seen anyone actually start the process of moving it forward after any of these tragedies.I'd be happy to consider and support well-drafted amendment language... but I haven't even heard of any being proposed in deep blue states.
Meh. At this point, there is not going to be a serious discussion about gun control. The NRA has won and too many politicians live in fear of them to have substantive debate. We can keep arguing about it on message boards, but for now, the point is moot.
reports now that he might not have used automatic weapons but a trigger crank or bump stock, both of which are legal
Fair point. There is not going to be a serious discussion IN WASHINGTON about gun control. And I agree that this board is a microcosm of America, without the gender or ethnic diversity. With a few exceptions, we are a bunch of white guys with an alma mater in common. But I haven't given up hope.
So how do we bridge the gap? We don't ... Eventually, we split up into multiple countries. See Catalonia in Spain this weekend, coming in 'merica in the next several years.
The NRA cares about money - not human life. Look at impact of the shooting on stocks, etc. already. http://fortune.com/2017/10/02/las-vegas-mass-shooting-gun-stocks/
About now, people like MU82 and other likeminded are gearing up a post with references to banjos, hee-haw and missing teeth. Jockey already beat him to it two posts below.
I don't agree, Benny. You know I am about as far left as possible and I have no problem with people owning a handgun for protection or owning hunting rifles. I know of very few lefties who want to eliminate guns. Almost all lefties want elimination of large clips and assault rifles.
Tower, I repeat, you want to have a rational conversation when people make this kind of statements.Everyone dig in as the war is just beginning.PS Gun stocks always rally when these type of events happen, it is fear that you have to rush and uy an AR before they are made illegal. And the NRA is so powerful not because of its money but because of the feverant support single issue gun owners will give them when voting. They are the "traditional" equivalent of minorities that vote democrat no matter what.I'll make you a deal, I'll stop calling black lives matter a terrorist organization if you stop thinking the NRA actually wants mass shootings.
The problem with guns is they are cultural for a lot of people. They are the very representation of free will. They will have another civil war than giving them up, even their AR-15s with 30 round magazines. For every state in the south and east of the Mississippi, except CA, OR and WA, over half the population owns at least 1 gun.
I don't know why I respond to someone like you, but what the h*ll are you talking about?People get upset that I call chicas a liar; well, sorry, you are also a liar. Show me the quote where I (or 82) referenced "banjos, hee-haw and missing teeth". If you can't do it then get the h*ll off the board!!
The problem with guns is they are cultural for a lot of people. They are the very representation of free will. They will have another civil war than giving them up, even their AR-15s with 30 round magazines. For every state in the south and east of the Mississippi, except CA, OR and WA, over half the population owns at least 1 gun. For others, they represent a disgusting symbol of what is wrong with 'merica.About now, people like MU82 and other likeminded are gearing up a post with references to banjos, hee-haw and missing teeth. Jockey already beat him to it two posts below. Again a microcosm of 'merica, winning and feeling superior is more important than a rational conversation. And we act surprised both sides are so dug in it is impossible to find common ground.So how do we bridge the gap? We don't ... Eventually, we split up into multiple countries. See Catalonia in Spain this weekend, coming in 'merica in the next several years.
The NRA is not so powerful because of it's money? Wow......