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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Herman Cain on May 15, 2023, 09:05:20 AM
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2023 PGA Championship at Oak Hill in Rochester NY. Should be a challenging course.
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/pga-championship-2023-top-100-golfers-competing-at-oak-hill-ranked
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Hearing whiffs of Winged Foot, which is not a good thing.
I predict a relative snoozer, with an electric finish on Sunday.
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Hearing whiffs of Winged Foot, which is not a good thing.
I predict a relative snoozer, with an electric finish on Sunday.
Here is commentary from Kerry Haigh, who is responsible for the course set up
https://golfweek.usatoday.com/lists/oak-hill-pga-championship-kerry-haigh-course-setup/
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Here is commentary from Kerry Haigh, who is responsible for the course set up
https://golfweek.usatoday.com/lists/oak-hill-pga-championship-kerry-haigh-course-setup/
https://thefriedegg.com/course-profile-oak-hill-country-club-east-course/
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John Daly withdraws due to injury
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/golf-legend-john-daly-withdraws-pga-championship-injury
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Frost delay. A reminder that it will be difficult to return to Whistling Straits in May. Maybe global warning can change that.
Tomorrow will be a long day. Likely that the second round finishes Saturday.
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We will see, but after Herbert Kohler died, I don't think hosting major events in Kohler is as much of an interest as it used to be - for both parties.
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And before Muggsy asks, a course that long and rough that thick.... nobody on this board breaks 100 without Mulligans.
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Two years in a row the May PGA date has produced cold weather
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I thought one of the reasons that they wanted to move to May was to play more southern courses since that can be difficult in August. But looking at their future sites, they have a couple that are southern, but not a lot.
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I thought one of the reasons that they wanted to move to May was to play more southern courses since that can be difficult in August. But looking at their future sites, they have a couple that are southern, but not a lot.
Pure spin. The reason it is in May now is due to the NFL and Fed Ex.
They needed the PGA out of their traditional second week of August calendar date in order for the Fed Ex Cup playoff to finish prior to the NFL season starting.
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Pure spin. The reason it is in May now is due to the NFL and Fed Ex.
They needed the PGA out of their traditional second week of August calendar date in order for the Fed Ex Cup playoff to finish prior to the NFL season starting.
OK that makes sense. Thanks.
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Slimmed down DeChartcuterie posts a -4 under tough conditions
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bounce back day two for Brooks
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You would think Hovland one of these times would cash in? He's had some rough 4th rounds.
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25 years old. He has a few years to figure it out.
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You would think Hovland one of these times would cash in? He's had some rough 4th rounds.
He is consistently in the running. Eventually things will break his way.
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25 years old. He has a few years to figure it out.
Yep. Turned pro in mid 2019. So 2022 was his first true, non-COVID impacted season on Tour. He's getting his groove. 2 consecutive major Top 10s and now in contention for a 3rd. Oh and back to back top 10s in the Players.
If he's playing like this with no majors in 5-10 years? Then maybe we chat. Otherwise, he's one of the brightest young stars around.
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Root for Michael Block.
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British Open conditions.
The rough is going to be even more of a nightmare.
Rain gloves are wonderful.
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Root for Michael Block.
+1
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Oak Hill renovation is brilliant. Robert Trent Jones, Jr. is a butcher.
Still, roll the ball back
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Nah. Accept the improvement in equipment. Accept that these guys are really good. Grow some rough, narrow some fairways. And enjoy the birdie fests when they happen.
Merion is 7000 yards and +1 won the thing.
How many players under particular at Oak Hill through 2? How many do you think finish that way?
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Nah. Accept the improvement in equipment. Accept that these guys are really good. Grow some rough, narrow some fairways. And enjoy the birdie fests when they happen.
Merion is 7000 yards and +1 won the thing.
How many players under particular at Oak Hill through 2? How many do you think finish that way?
Bifurcation
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Nah. There is so much better ....
Physical conditioning
Optimizing swing metrics as they relate to launch, spin, descent angle, shaft tech, face tech.
There are already limits on COR, head size, ball distance when hit by a robot at a controlled speed.
Technology has found ways to maximize performance within those parameters. All that changing the ball performance parameters for the pros will do is to challenge the OEM's to maximize the performance of the other equipment. There will be tour specific shafts and heads. The R@D for which will trickle down to the consumer.
What happened when they changed the rules on wedge grooves? Ultimately nothing.
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More long irons. More skill
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Hybrids. 7-9 woods.
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Root for Michael Block.
How do you not root for this guy? Amazing.
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Koepka in terminator mode. He is healthy and focused.
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Go Viktor
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Koepka in terminator mode. He is healthy and focused.
Had a heck of a round today. Hopefully Hovland read my comments yesterday and gets it done.
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Yes, I am sure your comments focused him.
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Yes, I am sure your comments focused him.
They focus me
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People lose focus constantly. It's disappointing.
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Rooting for Koepka to win his third PGA
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Rooting for Koepka to win his third PGA
Focused Brooks is fun to watch. However, his disrespect for the rules and etiquette of golf at Augusta in April would make him an unworthy champ. Quite frankly, it’s disappointing the PGA of America let him play. He should have been suspended a minimum of a year by all tours and golf governing bodies
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I want Michael Block to finish top 4. That gets him to Augusta next spring.
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Rory or Scheffy could go low?
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I think a 65 is out there. I don't think Koepka spits the bit again. Someone is going to have to beat him.
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I think a 65 is out there. I don't think Koepka spits the bit again. Someone is going to have to beat him.
If he truly wants to honor Greg Norman, he’ll spit the bit
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If he truly wants to honor Greg Norman, he’ll spit the bit
Outstanding.
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If he truly wants to honor Greg Norman, he’ll spit the bit
Bwahahahahahaha
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Sheffler can't putt.
Is Koepka going to slow play Hovland?
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We can get along with our day. No one is catching Koepka.
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We can get along with our day. No one is catching Koepka.
It’s ovah
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We can get along with our day. No one is catching Koepka.
Viktor says not so fast
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Koepka with a massive brain fart.
3 wood or driving iron on 6. Make them catch you.
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I think a 65 is out there.
Cam Smith with a 65.
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Viktor seizes the tournament on the B9?
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Unreal bunker shot by Koepka there.
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Koepka looks like he's in control.
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Kiss of death when you say it.
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Block just got a hole-in-1. How cool is that?
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OMG!!
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Slam dunk!
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Too bad it wasn't shown live. On the fly!!!
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That made me misty.
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Block just got a hole-in-1. How cool is that?
Exclamation point on a great story!
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Whoa.....potential meltdown coming for BK?
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The muggsy jinx.
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Damn. Still not over though I guess.
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The muggsy jinx.
I have a strategy.
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Have you ever seen a fly in not touch the flagstick? Wow.
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Ughhhh.....problems.
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Sheffler can't putt.
They just said Sheffler has not made a putt longer than 15 feet this week.
I can relate
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That might be ball game.
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Sweet Jesus!! It's over.
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(Howard Cosell voice)
....DOWN GOES HOVLAND....DOWN GOES HOVLAND....
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(Howard Cosell voice)
....DOWN GOES HOVLAND....DOWN GOES HOVLAND....
Knew Rahm would clip Brooks at Augusta because Rahm is a bully, too. Hovland played fine for the most part but isn’t in Rahm’s stratosphere. You beat Brooks by bullying back
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The exact same mistake Conners made yesterday.
Yeah, it is over.
Got a little misty again.
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A few 65's out there today.
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Delighted to see Koepka win. He is healthy and back in form .
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I was a fan prior to a year ago.
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Delighted to see Koepka win. He is healthy and back in form .
Herman, the LIV/PGA split it terrible for the sport imo.
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When healthy hes arguably the best in the world so it wasnt exactly going out on a limb. But coming into this week I just knew Brooks was gonna take it.
5 majors is a hell of a resume before you hit your mid 30s
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I rooted like hell for Rahm at Augusta. Today, I felt that Koepka was unstoppable, so I let the LIV stuff go and accepted the inevitable. However, if a non-LIV player had made a charge I would have latched on.
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Herman, the LIV/PGA split it terrible for the sport imo.
Muggsy:
My focus is on the players I like to follow. So I follow them no matter what tour they are on. The dispute between the two tours will eventually be resolved.
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I rooted like hell for Rahm at Augusta. Today, I felt that Koepka was unstoppable, so I let the LIV stuff go and accepted the inevitable. However, if a non-LIV player had made a charge I would have latched on.
I don't see the reasoning of letting things go because a guy is supposedly unstoppable. You root for or against people or teams you like or don't, correct? Why the sudden acceptance or bandwagonning?
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Muggsy:
My focus is on the players I like to follow. So I follow them no matter what tour they are on. The dispute between the two tours will eventually be resolved.
i'm with ya on this one hermie! i love to see good golf! i believe koepka got the media shaft back when he was tearing it up. yes, he can come across with an attitude, but he deserved much better. substitute rory for what brooks did from 2017-2019 they would have that chris matthews thrill thingy running up their legs making even jeff toobin blush
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Muggsy:
My focus is on the players I like to follow. So I follow them no matter what tour they are on. The dispute between the two tours will eventually be resolved.
Fair enough Herman. Personally I never cared for the guy and do admit I hold grudges
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I don't see the reasoning of letting things go because a guy is supposedly unstoppable. You root for or against people or teams you like or don't, correct? Why the sudden acceptance or bandwagonning?
I wasn't rooting for Koepka. I wasn't passionately rooting against Koepka. To me, the outcome was inevitable, so why waste energy railing against the sunrise?
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I wasn't rooting for Koepka. I wasn't passionately rooting against Koepka. To me, the outcome was inevitable, so why waste energy railing against the sunrise?
I misread your post. My apologies Tower.
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Herman, the LIV/PGA split it terrible for the sport imo.
Really? Don’t tell that to the golfers - the guys on both tours are doing better because of it.
I’m old enough to remember the AFL “ruining” football and the ABA doing the same to basketball. Both led to some temporary chaos and dilution but in the long tun were good for the sport and great for the players. I expect the same to happen in golf.
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Really? Don’t tell that to the golfers - the guys on both tours are doing better because of it.
I’m old enough to remember the AFL “ruining” football and the ABA doing the same to basketball. Both led to some temporary chaos and dilution but in the long tun were good for the sport and great for the players. I expect the same to happen in golf.
Unless LIV is closer to the USFL or WFL than it is to the AFL.
Congrats to Koepka; he’s a worthy PGA champion and a 5-time majors winner. But his next event will be on a shyte network, watched by tens of people until the network decides to switch to Munsters reruns or something.
It’s too early to call LIV a failure, that’s for sure. But it’s also too early to call LIV a success. The beautiful thing is we’ll get to see.
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Koepka is such a complete tool that I had to turn it off because I couldn’t stomach the guy winning.
Dude was a prick long before LIV. Literally anybody but that dude and Mickelson.
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Really? Don’t tell that to the golfers - the guys on both tours are doing better because of it.
I’m old enough to remember the AFL “ruining” football and the ABA doing the same to basketball. Both led to some temporary chaos and dilution but in the long tun were good for the sport and great for the players. I expect the same to happen in golf.
Two weeks later - Bingo!
And to think some here were laughing at LIV and comparing it to the USFL and the WFL. Now we know why Rory’s been so quiet the last couple of months.
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Two weeks later - Bingo!
And to think some here were laughing at LIV and comparing it to the USFL and the WFL. Now we know why Rory’s been so quiet the last couple of months.
Yeah, I should learn the lesson that money almost always wins.
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Two weeks later - Bingo!
And to think some here were laughing at LIV and comparing it to the USFL and the WFL. Now we know why Rory’s been so quiet the last couple of months.
You were right, so congrats, and I was wrong. I wish it were the other way around, for all the reasons Goose articulated very well in the other thread.
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I agree with Lenny that the players on both tours are in far better shape than they were prior to the start of Liv. I can only speak for me, but I feel the game of golf is not better off for it. Again, I love the history of the game and there is little about the new world of golf I find to be very appealing to me.
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I agree with Lenny that the players on both tours are in far better shape than they were prior to the start of Liv. I can only speak for me, but I feel the game of golf is not better off for it. Again, I love the history of the game and there is little about the new world of golf I find to be very appealing to me.
The game of golf is not in a better place than it was 18 months ago.
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The game of golf is not in a better place than it was 18 months ago.
The game of golf is what it has always been and always will be. The people who play it professionally will be in a stronger position vis a vis the organization(s) that run the tour because of this. If you hated NIL for college athletes, free agency/collective bargaining for baseball, football, hockey and the competitive leagues who helped raise player salaries/conditions then you’re in mourning right now. If not you should have no complaints.
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The game of golf is what it has always been and always will be. The people who play it professionally will be in a stronger position vis a vis the organization(s) that run the tour because of this. If you hated NIL for college athletes, free agency/collective bargaining for baseball, football, hockey and the competitive leagues who helped raise player salaries/conditions then you’re in mourning right now. If not you should have no complaints.
While I hate NIL I honestly don't think the two things are comparable Lenny.
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While I hate NIL I honestly don't think the two things are comparable Lenny.
Not remotely close to the same thing. Professional golf is now a mouthpiece for the Saudi’s, which is what they wanted. Comparing it to a labor situation is laughable.
The players got used. Some like Mickelson don’t have any scruples or morals, so they’re too blind to the reality, but that’s what happened. Maybe he’ll have some young men thrown his way from MBS to watch bang his wife
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The game of golf is what it has always been and always will be. The people who play it professionally will be in a stronger position vis a vis the organization(s) that run the tour because of this. If you hated NIL for college athletes, free agency/collective bargaining for baseball, football, hockey and the competitive leagues who helped raise player salaries/conditions then you’re in mourning right now. If not you should have no complaints.
If college athletes had signed on with Saudi-backed financing, sure it’s comparable. If MLB players in the 70’s formed a rival league with the USSR, sure it’s comparable.
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If college athletes had signed on with Saudi-backed financing, sure it’s comparable. If MLB players in the 70’s formed a rival league with the USSR, sure it’s comparable.
Money is fungible. And a lot of it comes from dubious places. Are you mourning the NBA being in bed with China? Boycotting Apple and all other things produced there? If not, spare me.
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Money is fungible. And a lot of it comes from dubious places. Are you mourning the NBA being in bed with China? Boycotting Apple and all other things produced there? If not, spare me.
China isn’t paying me to follow the NBA or use Apple. The Saudi’s paid players to get at the sports table.
I only boycott inclusive products
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The game of golf is what it has always been and always will be. The people who play it professionally will be in a stronger position vis a vis the organization(s) that run the tour because of this. If you hated NIL for college athletes, free agency/collective bargaining for baseball, football, hockey and the competitive leagues who helped raise player salaries/conditions then you’re in mourning right now. If not you should have no complaints.
Using 9/11 victims, until they could profit as well, is a pretty big complaint.
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China isn’t paying me to follow the NBA or use Apple. The Saudi’s paid players to get at the sports table.
I only boycott inclusive products
china paying you?? and i thought they were out of line for giving all that money to president magoo and his family. maybe you should tell them your friends of the big guy and his ever so brilliant artist offspring
you are funding china by watching the NBA, buying apparel, shoes, etc. and all of the human rights abuses they are committing to this day
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china paying you?? and i thought they were out of line for giving all that money to president magoo and his family. maybe you should tell them your friends of the big guy and his ever so brilliant artist offspring
you are funding china by watching the NBA, buying apparel, shoes, etc. and all of the human rights abuses they are committing to this day
9 out of 10
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China isn’t paying me to follow the NBA or use Apple. The Saudi’s paid players to get at the sports table.
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China isn’t “paying you”? Of course not . Neither are the Saudis. You’re paying them and they pay the NBA. Just like people pay the Saudis and they pay the golfers. Or we pay the Saudis for oil now that we’ve decided energy independence isn’t important.
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china paying you?? and i thought they were out of line for giving all that money to president magoo and his family. maybe you should tell them your friends of the big guy and his ever so brilliant artist offspring
you are funding china by watching the NBA, buying apparel, shoes, etc. and all of the human rights abuses they are committing to this day
As are you.
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China isn’t “paying you”? Of course not . Neither are the Saudis. You’re paying them and they pay the NBA. Just like people pay the Saudis and they pay the golfers. Or we pay the Saudis for oil now that we’ve decided energy independence isn’t important.
No, the Saudi’s are paying individual golfers and using them to get a seat at the table. They now have it. LIV is dead. They used those golfers greed to their benefit. They have no interest in “growing the game”. It’s a toy for them
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China isn’t “paying you”?
"paying you?"
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"paying you?"
Good catch! LOL
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China isn’t “paying you”? Of course not . Neither are the Saudis. You’re paying them and they pay the NBA. Just like people pay the Saudis and they pay the golfers. Or we pay the Saudis for oil now that we’ve decided energy independence isn’t important.
If oil/gas/etc corporations in the US decide it's against their financial interest/shareholder value to pump more oil/gas/etc, what should be done?
Is energy independence a national security risk?
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No, the Saudi’s are paying individual golfers and using them to get a seat at the table. They now have it. LIV is dead. They used those golfers greed to their benefit. They have no interest in “growing the game”. It’s a toy for them
A seat at the table? As the leader of OPEC they’ve had a seat at the table for quite awhile. A $$$ infusion by definition grows the game. And sports have been a toy for the very rich since before you were born. Your naïveté amazes me.
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Money is fungible. And a lot of it comes from dubious places. Are you mourning the NBA being in bed with China? Boycotting Apple and all other things produced there? If not, spare me.
I thought being American I was allowed to have a particular grudge against the guys who did 9/11 without having to answer for China and the Uyghurs.
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A seat at the table? As the leader of OPEC they’ve had a seat at the table for quite awhile. A $$$ infusion by definition grows the game. And sports have been a toy for the very rich since before you were born. Your naïveté amazes me.
MBS is exactly like Jerry Reinsdorf and Dan Rooney, or something.
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I thought being American I was allowed to have a particular grudge against the guys who did 9/11 without having to answer for China and the Uyghurs.
Burrow
Of course you’re allowed to hold whatever grudges you choose. But to my knowledge it’s never been proven that the Saudi government orchestrated the 9/11 attacks. OTOH, the China/Uyghur situation is certainly government policy.
Look, I’m no fan of the Saudi government - but the fact is we (as a country and as individuals) do plenty of business with bad actors. Your, mine or anyone else’s outrage isn’t going to change it.
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I don’t necessarily disagree with you Lenny, but Monahan shouldn’t have used that excuse only to take money from them a year later. That’s what bothers me the most. Using people like the 9/11 families to your benefit, only to drop them when the $$$ got too big.
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I don’t necessarily disagree with you Lenny, but Monahan shouldn’t have used that excuse only to take money from them a year later. That’s what bothers me the most. Using people like the 9/11 families to your benefit, only to drop them when the $$$ got too big.
No doubt, Monahan speaks out of both sides of his mouth. If I’m a player or fan I’d stop worrying about Mickelson, Norman, etc., and direct any vitriol towards him.
I wish that all sports had more insightful leadership. But they don’t. And in spite of it, the games of golf, baseball, football and basketball at all levels is fine. If people want to boycott, that’s fine too.
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Burrow
Of course you’re allowed to hold whatever grudges you choose. But to my knowledge it’s never been proven that the Saudi government orchestrated the 9/11 attacks. OTOH, the China/Uyghur situation is certainly government policy.
Look, I’m no fan of the Saudi government - but the fact is we (as a country and as individuals) do plenty of business with bad actors. Your, mine or anyone else’s outrage isn’t going to change it.
Thanks for the reasoned response, Lenny. I do agree with your post and recognize that the bolded is especially relevant. But as folks have mentioned in the golf thread, its also relevant that the Saudi government is now the exclusive investor in golf, whereas the NBA has "just" had a mealy mouthed response to China because of its huge market. So I don't think its necessarily hypocritical to have a much harsher personal response to golf than to the NBA. They are just different situations. Ultimately, as you allude to, the House of Saud is willing to burn so much money that they could buy a sport, play to completely empty stadiums, and not give a hoot.