Cadougan says MU in top 3

[Phi Iota Gamma 84]

http://marquette.scout.com/2/764568.html

Cadougan says top three Memphis, MU, and Wake according to article.

NBA 100 MVP too

[77ncaachamps]

Nice.

I hope he hears "Abel Joseph" and "Richard Shaw" as well as "Dominic James," "Travis Diener," "Tony Smith," and "Doc Rivers" AND "immediate playing time" during his visit.

I think that last hook could reel him in.

[ecompt]

we all know his shooting percentage will drop 10-15 points once he crosses the border into the U.S.

[bma725]

We could probably make that top 2, since at best he is Memphis's 3rd choice at PG in 2009.

[pbiflyer]

we all know his shooting percentage will drop 10-15 points once he crosses the border into the U.S.

Well, that used to be the case several years ago, but now with the exchange rate, it will actually go up a few points. 

[4everwarriors]

Point guards are on sale at a dime/dozen.

[Ready2Fly]

Point guards are on sale at a dime/dozen.

Let us all bow our heads and pray that Buzz signs a dime a dozen pg in the 2009 class.

[tower912]

...who's shooting percentage decreases like Mo Acker's did once he entered the BEast.

[The Man in Gold]

Point guards are on sale at a dime/dozen.

I'd settle for a PG who averages a dozen dimes.

[Doctor V]

i have a good feeling about this kid, both with regards to our chances of landing him and his success in college. i hope i am right

[postman_11]

He will be a great addition to keep the current tempo and be heir apperent to james ...and hopefully keeps us in BE contention. if he does come this will be the best recruiting class mu has seen since our big 3...but if we do get abdul gaddy this will be the best recruiting class surpassing the big 3

[postman_11]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=O31vY5StdX8

Cadougan is #55 on the dominant team....he's playing with Deandre Jordan nba 1st rd pick...so hes playing with elite talent..

[detroitwarrior]

My gut tells me Cadougan will be the next MU signing but I would love to have Abdul Gaddy. Do we really have a realisitc chance of landing Gaddy ?

[NCMUFan]

4Ever what is with the nonsense?  A good point guard is essential to having a good team and they aren't a dime a dozen.  Christian Life Center Academy looks more like a college team than HS. Cadougan had a lot of nice assists.

[MR.HAYWARD]

boy i really like that #2 melvin goins

[ecompt]

NCMU, I believe 4ever is being sarcastic, referring to Murff's quote that point guards were a dime a dozen when MU was recruiting Travis Diener. 

[esotericmindguy]

Looks like a Lavance Fields/Khalid El-Amin type....which would be completely different from James.  Less explosive but maybe more polished and powerful.

Definitely exciting to be a warrior fan right now.

[bma725]

boy i really like that #2 melvin goins

The video is a couple years old, Melvin Goins was in the class of 2007 and ended up at Ball State.  Despite the fact that he didn't play well, shooting 33% and turning the ball over a ton, he was the starting PG until the end of the year when he was demoted due to his play.  He pouted when that happened and announced last month that he was transferring.  No announcement yet on where he's going.

[The Lens]

Is he from Toronto or Texas?  And why does Scouts, INc via ESPN list 5 schools who are interested and none of them are MU, 'Phis or WF? Is Scouts, Inc that out of it?

[bma725]

Is he from Toronto or Texas?  And why does Scouts, INc via ESPN list 5 schools who are interested and none of them are MU, 'Phis or WF? Is Scouts, Inc that out of it?

Born in Toronto, but moved before high school because his baby brother was gunned down in a drive by.  Started high school in Georgia, but moved after his sophomore year when his high school there dropped basketball because the Canadian AAU coach has some sort of connection with his HS in Texas.

Scouts Inc/ESPN is that out of it.  It was brought up a few weeks ago when their top 100 was posted.  They are always very late updating the list of schools.  A players ranking and score may change quite a few times, but they don't often update the school list until the very end. 

[Pardner]

I really like that Buzz is moving quickly to sign these guys when the fire is hot...with Cadougan visiting MU this summer vs. waiting till during the season.  It seems like he is offering the playing time IF they sign now versus waiting for the next best offer.

[NCMUFan]

I apoligize for missing the sarcasm.

[Ready2Fly]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=O31vY5StdX8

Cadougan is #55 on the dominant team....he's playing with Deandre Jordan nba 1st rd pick...so hes playing with elite talent..

Interesting... I think Buzz had a hand in recruiting DeAndre Jordan to Texas A&M... I wonder if he's talked to Cadougan and put in a good word for Buzz.  Definitely couldn't hurt.

[MUCrew]

The types of guys we are recruiting is unreal.  Buzz is really setting that bar and trying to make a statement with the players we're trying to get.  Now I don't know if we will sign them or get a verbal, but just hearing that a lot of these top 100, 5 star, 4 star players are interested in us is really a huge step in my opinion. 

[Henry Sugar]

I really have a good feeling that we are going to end up getting a commit from Cadougan.

How does this class treat you?

Cadougan, Buycks, EWilliams, Maymon, and Dan Jennings.

giddy. up.

[postman_11]

YEA BUZZ IS GETTING IT DONE MARQUETTE HASNT BEEN NAMED WITH SO MANY ELITE H.S. PLAYERS IN 4EVER....HOPEFULLY WE LAND SOME, AND HAVE A TOP 10 RECRUITING CLASS(UNHEARD OF).

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

This sounds promising.

If I'm wearing my optimism hat, I'll say that if Buzz can bring in some high talent, and win with that high talent in 09, 10, 11... well, then MU will really become a premium program.

Similar to how PITT kept rolling after Howland left, or how Xavier kept rolling after after Matta left. I don't think PITT or Xavier are exactly premium/elite programs right now... but they don't think they quite have the history, facilities, attendance, alumni support, etc. that MU has.

Given MU's advantages, I really think it (the school, the brand, the team, etc.) could take off like a rocket.

IF Buzz is successful early (first 3 seasons)... I really think the sky is the limit for MU.

However, if MU drops off a little bit, it will hurt as people will think MU is headed back to the "dark ages" again.

[postman_11]

This sounds promising.

If I'm wearing my optimism hat, I'll say that if Buzz can bring in some high talent, and win with that high talent in 09, 10, 11... well, then MU will really become a premium program.

Similar to how PITT kept rolling after Howland left, or how Xavier kept rolling after after Matta left. I don't think PITT or Xavier are exactly premium/elite programs right now... but they don't think they quite have the history, facilities, attendance, alumni support, etc. that MU has.

Given MU's advantages, I really think it (the school, the brand, the team, etc.) could take off like a rocket.

IF Buzz is successful early (first 3 seasons)... I really think the sky is the limit for MU.

However, if MU drops off a little bit, it will hurt as people will think MU is headed back to the "dark ages" again.

YEA I AGREE I WILL LOSE MY MIND IF MU GOES TO THE NIT ANYTIME SOON...YEA BUT EVEN IN 09 WE ALREADY HAVE A NICE GROUP OF TALENT: LAZAR, TREVOR, JERONNE, ERIK, DAVID, MO, BUYCKS, FULCE, BUTLER,  AND OTULE(HOPEFULLY HE PANS OUT)...BUT DATS A NICE TEAM RIGHT THERE WE'RE  PRETTY DEEP

[bilsu]

Remember that Uconn went from the #1 team in the country to not making the NIT. No NIT with young players, NCAA bid, potential final four candidate in year three. If Calhoun can not make the NIT after significant player losses, then we should have patient with Buzz. Recruiting success plus experience will result in very good teams 3 years down the road. There is no guarantee that a freshman dominated team will be successful.

[The Lens]

YEA I AGREE I WILL LOSE MY MIND IF MU GOES TO THE NIT ANYTIME SOON...YEA BUT EVEN IN 09 WE ALREADY HAVE A NICE GROUP OF TALENT: LAZAR, TREVOR, JERONNE, ERIK, DAVID, MO, BUYCKS, FULCE, BUTLER,  AND OTULE(HOPEFULLY HE PANS OUT)...BUT DATS A NICE TEAM RIGHT THERE WE'RE  PRETTY DEEP

Doubtful it will get any worse than TC's Western Michigan disaster

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Doubtful it will get any worse than TC's Western Michigan disaster

But will it be any better than the UK win?

 

[77fan88warrior]

boy i really like that #2 melvin goins

I hear that there are academic issues.

[MR.HAYWARD]

I think that is part of the reason Buzz is getting three Jucos...becuase our old coach really dropped the recruitng ball the last 2-3 years.  Buzz needs talent right now to replace the 3 amigos and he needs experienced talent as well.  welcome Fulce, Butler, and buycks who will all be 21+ year old college juniors when we will most need them.  Buzz is the man.

[MUCrew]

Remember that Uconn went from the #1 team in the country to not making the NIT. No NIT with young players, NCAA bid, potential final four candidate in year three. If Calhoun can not make the NIT after significant player losses, then we should have patient with Buzz. Recruiting success plus experience will result in very good teams 3 years down the road. There is no guarantee that a freshman dominated team will be successful.

Totally agree here.  I think we should give Buzz a little slack, although you're in D1 and playing in one of the most competitive conferences in the nation.  A coach should be thinking "reloading" rather than "rebuilding."  I've always been a firm believer in that sort of recruiting mentality. 

[NCMUFan]

Did I miss something, who is Dan Jennings?

[Ready2Fly]

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=3096026

?  Don't know anything about him.  One star can't be right if he's taking visits to St. John's, and goes to Oak Hill. He's got to be better than that.

[bma725]

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=3096026

?  Don't know anything about him.  One star can't be right if he's taking visits to St. John's, and goes to Oak Hill. He's got to be better than that.

Try this:

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=3756011

What you had was his rating when he was in the class of 2008.  He's now doing a prep year and has reclassified as part of 2009, so they've changed his rating.  You'll also notice his height and weight have changed.

Here's his Rivals profile as well, http://pittsburgh.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=70556&sport=2

[Henry Sugar]

From NBE Basketball Report

Dan Jennings
This big bodied post also played well. Danny finished inside with a foul. He scored on an offensive rebound put back. The nimble post player used quick footwork on a spin move and finish in the post. He also threw down several rim rattling jams. Danny played well on the offensive end, but was even better defensively By my count, he blocked four shots. He also pulled down numerous rebounds. The big man was unstoppable on the inside for the Gauchos.

The 6-foot-9 Jennings says he has offers from Marquette, DePaul, Louisville, Minnesota, Memphis, Oklahoma State, Xavier, St. John’s, Rutgers and Seton Hall.

http://w3.nbebasketball.com/index.php/saturday-rumble-in-the-bronx-player-evals/#more-2271

[MUONTOP]

The way it sounds like Junior played last week during the top 100 camp...I would be happy with him or Gaddy at this point. Obviously Gaddy would be a huge signing just because he is rated so highly and could be a package with his buddy Avery Bradley but it seems Junior has some great playmaking ability and may not be that large of a drop off.

[Murffieus]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=O31vY5StdX8

Cadougan is #55 on the dominant team....he's playing with Deandre Jordan nba 1st rd pick...so hes playing with elite talent..

He's an excellent passer-----however not particularily quick or athletic-----has no left hand on layups-----
doesn't project as a pure shooter. I'd rather have those studs in that video.

[postman_11]

He's an excellent passer-----however not particularily quick or athletic-----has no left hand on layups-----
doesn't project as a pure shooter. I'd rather have those studs in that video.

how much have you seen of him to say all this(juss one video not all of his assets/older video=couldve improved)?..i mean i find it hard 2 believe that he was mvp at a camp with the top 100 hs prospects if he cant make a lefty lay-up. he's a BE bruiser type pg... he's not that slow he wants to come here because of our up-tempo style of play so he must be ready to run...but i agree hes not that athletic..still a good prospect.

[Murffieus]

The problem with those camps and with all star games is that the guards don't give up the ball unless it's off a penetration where they get an assist----they're looking to make an impression by either shooting or dishing). Jamil Wilson didn't even make the top 50 at that camp (probably because he didn't get the ball much in games)-----I've seen Wilson and he's an exceptional prospect-----very, very talented.

Another problem which makes it difficult to evaluate players is lack of defense, which gives alleys to guards.
He does play under control and sees the floor very well----but quick or athletic Cardougan is not.

Hope Buzz is going after some of those postup studs in the video-----they looked pretty goo to me.

[wadesworld]

how much have you seen of him to say all this(juss one video not all of his assets/older video=couldve improved)?..i mean i find it hard 2 believe that he was mvp at a camp with the top 100 hs prospects if he cant make a lefty lay-up. he's a BE bruiser type pg... he's not that slow he wants to come here because of our up-tempo style of play so he must be ready to run...but i agree hes not that athletic..still a good prospect.

Murff knows all.  Don't question him.  If Wilson were to sign with MU he would automatically go from an "exceptional prospect" to a kid who is uninterested and will sit behind the 3 other 6'8" players we already have.

[79Warrior]

I think that is part of the reason Buzz is getting three Jucos...becuase our old coach really dropped the recruitng ball the last 2-3 years.  Buzz needs talent right now to replace the 3 amigos and he needs experienced talent as well.  welcome Fulce, Butler, and buycks who will all be 21+ year old college juniors when we will most need them.  Buzz is the man.

Yep, willliams and Taylor were recruits indicative of dropping the ball.

[postman_11]

The problem with those camps and with all star games is that the guards don't give up the ball unless it's off a penetration where they get an assist----they're looking to make an impression by either shooting or dishing). Jamil Wilson didn't even make the top 50 at that camp (probably because he didn't get the ball much in games)-----I've seen Wilson and he's an exceptional prospect-----very, very talented.

Another problem which makes it difficult to evaluate players is lack of defense, which gives alleys to guards.
He does play under control and sees the floor very well----but quick or athletic Cardougan is not.

Hope Buzz is going after some of those postup studs in the video-----they looked pretty goo to me.

Well if you ask me i would say that wilson is slightly overrated offensively ...hes a great defender with shot blocking ability but i feel as if he wouldnt flourish in a camp like that even if he did get the ball, jeronne maymon played on the same team as Cadougan and i believe he was a top 50 performer so that not getting the ball isnt a good reason, he found a way 2 score, he has a great offensive game much better than wilsons.

[ecompt]

once again, Murff watches two minutes of video and decides exactly what a player can or cannot do. Hey, he was right about Travis Diener...

[The Lens]

Yep, willliams and Taylor were recruits indicative of dropping the ball.

Williams and Taylor were indicitive of the fact that TC recruited best when he had gobs of PT to sell. 

Time will tell how Buzz recruits when PT is limited.

[Blackhat]

The problem with those camps and with all star games is that the guards don't give up the ball unless it's off a penetration where they get an assist----they're looking to make an impression by either shooting or dishing). Jamil Wilson didn't even make the top 50 at that camp (probably because he didn't get the ball much in games)-----I've seen Wilson and he's an exceptional prospect-----very, very talented.

Another problem which makes it difficult to evaluate players is lack of defense, which gives alleys to guards.
He does play under control and sees the floor very well----but quick or athletic Cardougan is not.

Hope Buzz is going after some of those postup studs in the video-----they looked pretty goo to me.

Cadougan finished top 5 in assists per game at the camp.   And wasn't in the top 10 in scoring. 

[The Love House]

Why is everyone so high on Cadougan? From everything I've read, Johnny Lacy from Milwaukee Bay View (Class of 09) is ranked higher and has MU as the first choice on his list.  I realize Cadougan is a couple inches taller, but he doesn't sound like he's as quick as Lacy, or as good of a scorer. Do you guys know something about Lacy that I don't?

[Chili]

Why is everyone so high on Cadougan? From everything I've read, Johnny Lacy from Milwaukee Bay View (Class of 09) is ranked higher and has MU as the first choice on his list.  I realize Cadougan is a couple inches taller, but he doesn't sound like he's as quick as Lacy, or as good of a scorer. Do you guys know something about Lacy that I don't?

Lacy isnt a PG - he is a 2G in a PG's body. Cadougan is a better PG. Was ranked as such at the NBPA.

[Pakuni]

Why is everyone so high on Cadougan? From everything I've read, Johnny Lacy from Milwaukee Bay View (Class of 09) is ranked higher and has MU as the first choice on his list.  I realize Cadougan is a couple inches taller, but he doesn't sound like he's as quick as Lacy, or as good of a scorer. Do you guys know something about Lacy that I don't?

The ranking comparison may depend more on where you look and also is somewhat affected by Cadougan being a bit more of an unknown heading into the summer. I'd wait and see what happens in the fall before declaring one the higher ranked player.

Beyond that, though, I think the perception is that Lacy is a shooting guard in a small point guard's body, whereas Cadougan is a pure point. In fact, Cadougan was received the Best Playmaker award at this weeks NBPA 100 camp.

[bma725]

Why is everyone so high on Cadougan? From everything I've read, Johnny Lacy from Milwaukee Bay View (Class of 09) is ranked higher and has MU as the first choice on his list.  I realize Cadougan is a couple inches taller, but he doesn't sound like he's as quick as Lacy, or as good of a scorer. Do you guys know something about Lacy that I don't?

#1.  Ranking depends on where you look.  ESPN has Cadougan at #79, and doesn't have Lacy in the top 100.  CSTV has Cadougan at #51, and Lacy at #89.  Further, at one point Cadougan was a consensus top 15 player in this class, until injuries and switching schools lowered his ranking. 

#2.  Lacy had MU as his first choice when Crean was coach, not so much with Buzz in control.  MU has not been going after him as hard, and if he had to commit today it would probably be Minnesota.

#3.  Cadougan is a good student.  Lacy is not.  There is a very good chance that Lacy will have to reclassify to the class of 2010 because he won't qualify in 2009.  MU cannot afford to take another academic risk with Maymon and Buycks in that class.

#4.  Lacy is not a PG.  He's a SG, and not a particularly good shooting one at that.  Cadougan is a PG. 

[The Love House]

Thanks for the info, Pakuni.  I also poked around for a little more info on Lacy and it sounds like he has academic troubles too, which may explain why MU hasn't offered to him yet. Anyway, I'm onboard for Cadougan now - the next Tony Miller!!

[bilsu]

I never seen Lacy play, but from what I have heard about him on this board made me believe he is a me first point guard. We do not want that type of player. A point guard's job is to make the surrounding players better.