collapse

* Stud of Colorado Game

Tyler Kolek

21 points, 5 rebounds,
11 assists, 1 steal,
40 minutes

2023-24 Season SoG Tally
Kolek11
Ighodaro6
Jones, K.6
Mitchell2
Jones, S.1
Joplin1

'22-23
'21-22 * '20-21 * '19-20
'18-19 * '17-18 * '16-17
'15-16 * '14-15 * '13-14
'12-13 * '11-12 * '10-11

* Big East Standings

* Recent Posts

2024 Coaching Carousel by The Lens
[Today at 05:12:28 AM]


2024 NCAA Tournament Thread by Plaque Lives Matter!
[Today at 01:02:54 AM]


45 minutes ago at the Dallas Westin by MuggsyB
[Today at 12:19:24 AM]


2024 Transfer Portal by CountryRoads
[Today at 12:05:42 AM]


Are we still recruiting anyone for the 24-25 season. by Don_Kojis
[Today at 12:04:21 AM]


Where is Marquette? by marqfan22
[March 28, 2024, 09:29:52 PM]


Chicago bars for Fri game by Daniel
[March 28, 2024, 08:47:22 PM]

Please Register - It's FREE!

The absolute only thing required for this FREE registration is a valid e-mail address.  We keep all your information confidential and will NEVER give or sell it to anyone else.
Login to get rid of this box (and ads) , or register NOW!

* Next up: NC State

Marquette
81
Marquette vs

NC State

Date/Time: Mar 29, 2024, 6:09 pm
TV: CBS
Schedule for 2023-24
Colorado
77

Author Topic: Darius Marrow...?  (Read 31895 times)

ErickJD08

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1601
    • Professor Crass
Darius Marrow...?
« on: April 24, 2008, 12:53:05 PM »
I just saw the headline on rivals that Darius Marrow, 6'9 250 C from Georgia was thinking about joining the team for 2008.  Does anyone have more info on this situation and Mr. Marrow?
Wanna learn how to say "@#(@# (@*" in a dozen languages... go to Professor Crass www.professorcrass.com

romey

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1048
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2008, 04:30:31 PM »
This article says he is a "south carolina signee" but that was several weeks ago.

http://www.ajc.com/search/content/sports/highschool/stories/2008/03/08/hsboys20308.html

esotericmindguy

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1952
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2008, 04:40:40 PM »
His recent quotes on Scout:

Marquette has a new coach, not too many big men," said Morrow. "I can bring them some size to the paint."

Fresh off his release from his national letter on intent to South Carolina, he has re-opened his recruiting and plans to take three official visits.

"I have narrowed my list to three...Marquette, Auburn and East Carolina."


Would be nice to add another big body.

MU06CU10

  • Scholarship Player
  • **
  • Posts: 53
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2008, 04:55:30 PM »
Based on what the South Carolina scout board moderator said, I'd take this kid in a heartbeat. Not many big men are out there right now and we could sure use some size!

Markusquette

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 3316
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2008, 04:58:42 PM »
Sweet!  This guy is pretty big and seems to have some interest.  I need to do some more research, but I hope that Buzz has some interest since he would help I'm sure.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2008, 05:01:09 PM by Jamil_toMU09 »

romey

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1048
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2008, 05:03:54 PM »
His team won state in AAAA (the second highest class in Georgia), and he was second team all-state in AAAA

esotericmindguy

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1952
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2008, 05:16:33 PM »
Buzz will get it done, then he will sign a true pg better then Taylor to fill James' void in 09'.

Thomas' Danish Delight

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 725
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2008, 06:33:14 PM »
I forget which is which, Rivals or Scout, but on one site he's 6'8" and 250....the other has him at 6'9" and 260

So basically he's about the same size as Burke....but if he has a better game....then great success!

Could light another fire under Burke...hopefully doesn't set him back...but it'd be nice if we had our own...not quite twin towers, but twin hulks for sure.

77ncaachamps

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 8457
  • Last of the Warrior Class
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2008, 06:50:12 PM »
Kid's got beef!

The new "MEATHOOK"!



« Last Edit: April 24, 2008, 07:10:03 PM by 77ncaachamps »
SS Marquette

tower912

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 23355
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2008, 07:09:22 PM »
Da Morrow, Da Morrow, we'd love ya, Da Morrow, we're only---a big a--way.....
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

SoCalwarrior

  • Global Moderator
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1429
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2008, 07:12:48 PM »
Kid's got beef!

The new "MEATHOOK"!





You forgot Ralph Sampson

Tums Festival

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1283
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2008, 08:11:42 PM »
Where does this kid rank nationally compared to Otule?
"Every day ends with a Tums festival!"

Markusquette

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 3316
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2008, 08:17:42 PM »
I've heard more good things about Morrow than Otule when I read about them, but it's hard to say who ranks better nationally considering Otule is still getting acclimated with his new position at center. 

warthogdriver

  • Scholarship Player
  • **
  • Posts: 80
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2008, 08:45:32 PM »
It's refreshing to find ourselves contending for some polished big men. How many of these were we in competition for under the Tanned Two-Faced Mis-Creant?

NYWarrior

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 2004
    • Cracked Sidewalks
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2008, 10:02:17 PM »
Dwight Burke, part deaux?

MU, Auburn and ECU.........that's a modest list of suitors for a kid this big.

MUViking

  • Starter
  • ***
  • Posts: 140
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2008, 10:33:50 PM »
Dwight Burke, part deaux?

MU, Auburn and ECU.........that's a modest list of suitors for a kid this big.


Read up on him.  This kid is better than Dwight coming out of high school.  Ole Miss, Oklahoma and Va Tech were also interested.

dw3dw3dw3

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 820
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2008, 10:42:26 PM »
Dwight Burke, part deaux?

MU, Auburn and ECU.........that's a modest list of suitors for a kid this big.
He had Providence, Cinncinati, Penn State, UAB offers (scout/rivals info) to go along with his USC offer before he decommitted.  

Also, I have no idea about his game, but I think this is precisely the type of player Crean failed to go after before. 3 star bigs who could develop nicely over 4 years. It always seemed like we were going for the instant impact 4-5 star guys who came in ready to play big minutes. These 4-5 star guys also were coveted by every other high-major program out there thus the 0% batting average. Mid-majors make their living on fully developed Junior and senior bigs who just know how to play smarter than more highly touted fresh/soph big men on the major teams.

coach85

  • Registered User
  • Walk-On
  • *
  • Posts: 41
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2008, 10:56:33 PM »
Dwight Burke, part deaux?

MU, Auburn and ECU.........that's a modest list of suitors for a kid this big.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Don't forget he's going to play in college this fall.  Almost all of the major schools have already filled their scholarship limit for next year and some are close to thier max with scholarships for the following class. 

With all of the coaching changes year in and out and the pressure to sign players so early, patience with scholarship offers (saving one for the spring) might be a great thing.

chapman

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 5746
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2008, 11:07:55 PM »
What concerns me (from the other thread) is the lack of attention Horn has given him.  It sounds like Horn doesn't want him around at all and was hoping he would ask out.  If a school doesn't have a lot of bigs, making no effort to keep this guy around is a little troubling.  Still, if we can't land a better overall player than Marrow (be it a point guard or a big) I'll take him rather than banking a scholarship when there are still a minimum of three open slots to be filled for 2009.

brewpaul

  • Registered User
  • Walk-On
  • *
  • Posts: 11
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2008, 09:56:53 AM »
What concerns me (from the other thread) is the lack of attention Horn has given him.  It sounds like Horn doesn't want him around at all and was hoping he would ask out. 

The problem with that logic is N Williams.  If I was on the outside looking in, I'd be wondering why MU released Williams so quickly.  It could mean something ... might not. 8-)

Marquette_g

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 678
  • Gonna Get Some Cold Cuts Today
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2008, 10:11:04 AM »
Brewpaul I agree - unless there is a given reason why SC let him go, we are shooting in the dark here and the lack of attention could be driven my a number of factors.  How D. Horn handles his business at SC is of zero concern to me. 

ChicosBailBonds

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 22695
  • #AllInnocentLivesMatter
    • Cracked Sidewalks
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2008, 12:48:40 PM »

Read up on him.  This kid is better than Dwight coming out of high school.  Ole Miss, Oklahoma and Va Tech were also interested.


I don't know Vike, I just saw one ranking (Hoopscoop) that had him at 366.  That's scary low

http://www.hoopscooponline.com/members/classof2008-topjuniors-fall2006.asp


lurch91

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 983
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2008, 12:53:02 PM »
I don't know Vike, I just saw one ranking (Hoopscoop) that had him at 366.  That's scary low

http://www.hoopscooponline.com/members/classof2008-topjuniors-fall2006.asp



Chico, take that with a grain of salt, that was his ranking as a Jr, not after his Sr season, and was published on Published on September 1, 2006.

Ironically, that list doesn't even have Tyshawn Taylor on it at all.  So glad we got rid of that looser!
« Last Edit: April 25, 2008, 12:56:51 PM by lurch91 »

StillAWarrior

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 4205
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2008, 01:06:04 PM »
I don't know Vike, I just saw one ranking (Hoopscoop) that had him at 366.  That's scary low.

Scout has him listed immediately above Otule.  Even though they're not rated, both are three stars and it would appear Morrow is 45 and Otule is 46.  In total rankings, Scout seems to have them at about 242/247.  Just reporting facts; not making a value judgment.
Never wrestle with a pig.  You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

ChicosBailBonds

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 22695
  • #AllInnocentLivesMatter
    • Cracked Sidewalks
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2008, 01:10:21 PM »
Understood Lurch....I'm just putting 2 + 2 + 2 together.  Horn doesn't want him, East Carolina, Auburn and us left, low ranking.

He may turn out to be great, but I think over the years many of the recruiting experts have had incredibly glowing praise about some of our guys only to have them turn out to be far from it.

According to Scouts.inc his final 5 were South Carolina, UAB, Fordham, Providence and LaSalle

According to Scout.com he had offers from Penn State, Cincinnati, East Carolina, South Carolina, and Fordham.

He did make the top 100 in the Georgia High School rankings at #13

http://www.coachbobell.com/top100.html



ChicosBailBonds

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 22695
  • #AllInnocentLivesMatter
    • Cracked Sidewalks
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2008, 01:11:29 PM »
Scout has him listed immediately above Otule.  Even though they're not rated, both are three stars and it would appear Morrow is 45 and Otule is 46.  In total rankings, Scout seems to have them at about 242/247.  Just reporting facts; not making a value judgment.

That's what makes me nervous, most here thought Otule is a project.

Henry Sugar

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 2007
  • There are no shortcuts
    • Cracked Sidewalks
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2008, 01:16:12 PM »
Let's hold off on Marrow in favor of all the other big men that are knocking on the door to come play at Marquette.
A warrior is an empowered and compassionate protector of others.

MR.HAYWARD

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1701
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2008, 01:16:27 PM »
There is really nothing wrong with signing guys like that.  The key is to sign one every year that way they are semi polished or ready to go by their junor year.  Sign one every year and the fresh and soph get  a few minutes a game , maybe more in the precon and battle the junior and seniors in practice.  That way you have a pipeline.   what happened to Mu in the past is we simply signed no one.  taht is why Barro and Mu had to suffer with him as a freshman and sophomore, that is why we had to suffer with Burke as a freshman and a sophomore.  Now obviously if you can sign someone more highly rated his timeline will increase but you cannot follow the path of our former coach.  I have said it before, we are a top 10 team the last 3 years with maybe a sweet 16 o two and maybe an elite 8 if we do not have the worst front court in the Big East.   Our loser former coach had years where he signed zero bigs.  Unless you consider signing Blackledge in April the signing of a big.  Or maybe people feel Kinsella, lott and others as D1 players etc. etc.  that guy signed more non-d1 players during his tenure than any other High d1 coach in America.    

lurch91

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 983
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2008, 01:42:10 PM »
Understood Lurch....I'm just putting 2 + 2 + 2 together.  Horn doesn't want him, East Carolina, Auburn and us left, low ranking.

He may turn out to be great, but I think over the years many of the recruiting experts have had incredibly glowing praise about some of our guys only to have them turn out to be far from it.

According to Scouts.inc his final 5 were South Carolina, UAB, Fordham, Providence and LaSalle

According to Scout.com he had offers from Penn State, Cincinnati, East Carolina, South Carolina, and Fordham.

He did make the top 100 in the Georgia High School rankings at #13

http://www.coachbobell.com/top100.html




Np, I just wanted to head off all the posters saying MU was already on a downward slide for being on this guys list (being that Horn wont talk to him and he didn't get very high offers from D1 schools).

ChicosBailBonds

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 22695
  • #AllInnocentLivesMatter
    • Cracked Sidewalks
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2008, 01:44:48 PM »
Let's hold off on Marrow in favor of all the other big men that are knocking on the door to come play at Marquette.

Sarcasm noted, of course we could bank the scholarship and try to get a big man that way as well.

NYWarrior

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 2004
    • Cracked Sidewalks
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2008, 01:46:24 PM »
Sarcasm noted, of course we could bank the scholarship and try to get a big man that way as well.

MU's interest in Morrow could mean that the current roster will experience additional attrition.  otherwise, bank it

lurch91

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 983
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2008, 01:51:35 PM »
MU's interest in Morrow could mean that the current roster will experience additional attrition.  otherwise, bank it

I could see Hazel moving on - did he even break double digit total mins this season?

mu03eng

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 5049
    • Scrambled Eggs Podcast
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2008, 02:03:05 PM »
Why bank it??  We will have at least three scholarships to fill next year.  Bringing in a freshmen for year(Otule is the only one in next years class), balances the class better.

I'd rather we use this scholie on a PG but Marrow seems good and we have always had a dearth of big men; not the case anymore it seems.  I really like what Buzz has done so far.

I said it in a thread a week ago and I'll say it again.....Elite Eight next year with a sweet 16 run in the next two years after next year.  You heard it here first folks.  ;D
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

mr.MUskie

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1766
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2008, 02:06:18 PM »
MU's interest in Morrow could mean that the current roster will experience additional attrition.  otherwise, bank it

Has MU expressed interest in Morrow?  He said MU is on his list, but has Buzz said anything about it being mutual?

chapman

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 5746
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2008, 02:10:23 PM »
Why bank it??  We will have at least three scholarships to fill next year.  Bringing in a freshmen for year(Otule is the only one in next years class), balances the class better.

I'd rather we use this scholie on a PG but Marrow seems good and we have always had a dearth of big men; not the case anymore it seems.  I really like what Buzz has done so far.

I said it in a thread a week ago and I'll say it again.....Elite Eight next year with a sweet 16 run in the next two years after next year.  You heard it here first folks.  ;D

I agree.  If we get two guards next year, we still have a spot open for a big man.  If we have any additional roster attrition, we might have yet another spot to fill.  If there's nothing better out there, bring him in now and see what he can do.  

Has MU expressed interest in Morrow?  He said MU is on his list, but has Buzz said anything about it being mutual?

Very good point.  For all we know, they looked at him and weren't as impressed as he was.  Or there are other priorities and he's the fall back option. 

ChicosBailBonds

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 22695
  • #AllInnocentLivesMatter
    • Cracked Sidewalks
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2008, 02:11:24 PM »
Our loser former coach had years where he signed zero bigs.  Unless you consider signing Blackledge in April the signing of a big.  Or maybe people feel Kinsella, lott and others as D1 players etc. etc.  that guy signed more non-d1 players during his tenure than any other High d1 coach in America.    


Again, I'll be called for defending him when I'm actually just stating facts.  Zero bigs in some years?  Well, let's take a look...I'd argue you are wrong.


First class    Wade, Merritt (6'10), Blankson, Sanders (6'7")  = two bigs
Second class Diener, Howard, Menard, Townsend (6'6"), Jackson (6'8) = 1 big...some would argue 1.5
Third class  Novak (6'10), Grimm (6'10), Chapman, Bradley = 2 bigs
Fourth class  James Matthews (6'8), Dameon Mason, Brandon Bell, Marcus Jackson (6'8) = 2 bigs
Fifth class  Ryan Amoroso (6'8), Mike Kinsella (7'0), Fitzgerald (6'9) = 3 bigs
Sixth class  Ranked as high as 6th nationally....James, Matthews, McNeal, Mortenson, Burke (6'8), Lott (6'7) = 2 bigs
Seventh class   Hayward (6'6), Cubillan, Acker, Blackledge (6'8) = 2 bigs (yes, I count Hayward as a big because he plays the 3 but also the 4)
Eighth class  Mbakwe (6'8), Saunders (6'8), Christopherson, Hazel (6'7) = 3 bigs
Ninth class   Taylor, Williams, Fulce (6'7), Otule (6-10)  = 2 bigs

Now you might have a different definition of bigs, but if they play the 4 or 5 spot, I consider them to be a big.  Name me a year, as you stated, when a big wasn't recruited / signed to play for Marquette...as you suggested?  Now, you and I might be in complete agreement that the bigs weren't that good, bravo.  But that's far different then MU not signing them.


Make sure to get in the mandatory "stop defending Crean" statement in there as well.   ;)

MUViking

  • Starter
  • ***
  • Posts: 140
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2008, 02:12:47 PM »
I don't know Vike, I just saw one ranking (Hoopscoop) that had him at 366.  That's scary low

http://www.hoopscooponline.com/members/classof2008-topjuniors-fall2006.asp




I'll tell you what's scary-- giving Hoop Scoop any credibility whatsoever.  HS is easily the worst ranking entity in college hoops today. 

mugrad99

  • Registered User
  • Team Captain
  • ****
  • Posts: 480
Buzz can't comment on unsigned recruits
« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2008, 02:13:17 PM »
I guess I'll trust his judgment on whether Morrow is a good fit. Since Morrow played with excellent players on his High School and AAU teams, we probably don't know how good he can be, and the rankings may be misleading.

On that same list, Chicos, Berrgren was 506, and UW thinks they have a pretty good one

ChicosBailBonds

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 22695
  • #AllInnocentLivesMatter
    • Cracked Sidewalks
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2008, 02:22:25 PM »

I'll tell you what's scary-- giving Hoop Scoop any credibility whatsoever.  HS is easily the worst ranking entity in college hoops today. 

Fair enough, but I'm failing to find any other rankings that make me feel much better to be honest.  Whether it's Scouts, Scout, or Rivals.....Darrin Horn for that matter.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2008, 02:26:18 PM by ChicosBailBonds »

MR.HAYWARD

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1701
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2008, 02:36:35 PM »
Wow is that a stretch there Chico calling 6'6" uys bigs aor calling them bigs beacuse they have to play the 4 becuase we actually have no bigs.  Boy you take defending this guy to no end!!   Like Crean or not we had such a dearth of Power players 6'8" or over that we got destroyed in the paint the last 3 years...now maybe  you were watching another game, but i will say it again we were top 10 team and had at leats 2 sweet 16's and maybe better the last three years if we had any talent in front of or backing up Barro.   
then you go and list guys like blackledge, lott, kinsella, etc.  Please give me a break you are listing those guys as D1 players!!  but then question the signing of a 3 star kid!!! those guys were no stars!!!

mugrad99

  • Registered User
  • Team Captain
  • ****
  • Posts: 480
To defend Chico's
« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2008, 02:39:11 PM »
Not that he needs it...but the former coach did bring in quite a few bigs...A majority of them were not developed (especially after Stephens left). 

lurch91

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 983
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2008, 02:44:32 PM »
Merritt was the best big TC recruited out of high school and can truely be attributed to him alone.  Anyone remember how Brendan Haywood ABUSED Merritt his freshman year when we played UNC on national television?  Merritt, NEVER gave it to anyoen the way Haywood did to him in tha tgame when he was a senior (I think Stephens was at MU all 4 of Merritts years, was he not?).

bilsu

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 8801
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2008, 02:47:10 PM »
I thought it was bad timing that Horn took a job before the MU job became open. It is interesting how people react to something. The posters above assumed Horn was not interested in keeping Marrow. When I read that Marrow had trouble getting hold of Horn, I thought I am glad we did not end up with Horn because he cannot follow through on South Carolina's recruits. I immediately equated him with Mike Deane. A guy that can coach, but does not want to do what is needed recruiting wise. I do not know if my assumption or your assumption is correct, but I cannot see a new coach blowing off a recruit like that. In addition to that South Carolina made a commitment to the kid when they signed him. Assuming the kid did not get into any trouble, it shows a lack of class by the athletic department to blow the kid off. I am also sure that if he had gotten in trouble Mu would not be recruiting him. I am sticking with my original reaction that I am glad we did not hire Horn.

MUViking

  • Starter
  • ***
  • Posts: 140
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2008, 02:50:34 PM »
Fair enough, but I'm failing to find any other rankings that make me feel much better to be honest.  Whether it's Scouts, Scout, or Rivals.....Darrin Horn for that matter.


I've read some extremely encouraging scouting reports from South Carolina fans pissed about losing him.  He sounds a lot more skilled than Burke at the same stage, even though he is roughly the same size as Burke now.  Oklahoma has been interested in him since last fall.  I like the sound of this addition.  I think we can do a lot worse, and he could play a key role for a run in 2008-2009 in the post. 

ChicosBailBonds

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 22695
  • #AllInnocentLivesMatter
    • Cracked Sidewalks
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #44 on: April 25, 2008, 03:04:39 PM »
Wow is that a stretch there Chico calling 6'6" uys bigs aor calling them bigs beacuse they have to play the 4 becuase we actually have no bigs.  Boy you take defending this guy to no end!!   Like Crean or not we had such a dearth of Power players 6'8" or over that we got destroyed in the paint the last 3 years...now maybe  you were watching another game, but i will say it again we were top 10 team and had at leats 2 sweet 16's and maybe better the last three years if we had any talent in front of or backing up Barro.   
then you go and list guys like blackledge, lott, kinsella, etc.  Please give me a break you are listing those guys as D1 players!!  but then question the signing of a 3 star kid!!! those guys were no stars!!!

I'm just stating facts....I guess it comes down to definition....I consider a guy playing at the 4 or 5 as a big.  Hayward is a big in my opinion, not sure how he can't be when he's playing at the 4.  Is he undersized, yup he sure is but then again he also causes problems for the opposing team's "traditional" 4 as well.  Even if you don't count Hayward as a big, name a year we didn't recruit one...seriously.  I've given you all the data, pick a year we didn't sign a big

I don't disagree that we would be better if we had more bigs behind Barro....that's not what you said before....you said no bigs were recruited some years.  Really, it's ok to be wrong sometimes and admit...it really is.  You were wrong.

Finally, hate to correct you again....but actually Blackledge, Lott, Kinsella weren't "no stars" and yes they were D1 players, to suggest they weren't is a swipe at kids that isn't necessary (yet you've done that here for years under different names and you just took on some guy's wife, so no surprise).   I've never said Trend, Jamil or Kinsella were great players, in fact nothing of the kind.  But yes, they were DI ballplayers...there are 330+ DI teams and they all had multiple offers from multiple D1 teams.

Trend was offered by Washington, Duquense, Bowling Green.  All D1 last I checked

Mike Kinsella already played for a DI school in Rice.  He had offers from Creighton, SMU, and Northwestern before selecting Rice.  After he announced he was leaving Rice, he received "interest" (notice I didn't say an offer) from UNLV, Utah, Minnesota and Iowa State.  Again, all DI last I checked.

Jamil Lott had offers from South Florida, Georgia, and USC.  All D1 last I checked

Our recruiting of bigs has to get better, there is no question about it.  We are in 100% agreement.  But while you're going through your daily vitriol attacks, it would be nice to sprinkle in some facts from time to time.  Those guys were D1 players, they were not "zero" star players, and every year MU did recruit at least one big (it would have been great if they were better bigs, but they did).  

Thanks.

« Last Edit: April 25, 2008, 03:15:24 PM by ChicosBailBonds »

StillAWarrior

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 4205
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2008, 03:05:07 PM »
I've read some extremely encouraging scouting reports from South Carolina fans pissed about losing him.

With all due respect, I'll take those with a grain of salt, too.  This is the only message board where fans know what they heck they're talking about.  

Who am I kidding, we're a bunch of idiots too (including myself here).  I saw one reference to Marrow on this board saying how refreshing it is that we're contending for some "polished big men."  No offense intended, but I kind of doubt that the poster had ever even heard of Marrow 48 hours ago.  Now he's a polished big man.

I'm not knocking him...he might be a great addition.  I think we could use another big man.  But, I'm not sure I'm going to trust the South Carolina message board for a fair assessment of his skills.  But, if he puts on that blue and gold, I'm gonna love him.
Never wrestle with a pig.  You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

MUViking

  • Starter
  • ***
  • Posts: 140
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2008, 03:16:50 PM »
With all due respect, I'll take those with a grain of salt, too.  This is the only message board where fans know what they heck they're talking about.  

Who am I kidding, we're a bunch of idiots too (including myself here).  I saw one reference to Marrow on this board saying how refreshing it is that we're contending for some "polished big men."  No offense intended, but I kind of doubt that the poster had ever even heard of Marrow 48 hours ago.  Now he's a polished big man.

I'm not knocking him...he might be a great addition.  I think we could use another big man.  But, I'm not sure I'm going to trust the South Carolina message board for a fair assessment of his skills.  But, if he puts on that blue and gold, I'm gonna love him.


First of all... it's Morrow, not Marrow.

Second... no offense to Chicos or anyone else who is down on him, but I'll take the word of a guy who's seen him play over the thoughts of a guy who is speculating based on HoopScoop rankings or Scout or Rivals or whatever other rankings you want to look at any day.  A guy who apparently saw him play said he's a skilled big man who would have competed for the starting C spot at South Carolina this year.  That sounds very promising.

I'm certainly not thinking Morrow is the next Michael Beasley or Big Baby or Robert Jackson, but this at least sounds like a promising pickup at this stage.  This guy sounds like a lot better basketball player than Dwight Burke at the same stage, but he is also Burke sized.  I would certainly not be upset if Buzz were to sign the big fella.

BTW, if you connect the dots, Aki Collins is the guy who brought Morrow and Marquette together for this interest.

ChicosBailBonds

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 22695
  • #AllInnocentLivesMatter
    • Cracked Sidewalks
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2008, 03:22:48 PM »

I've read some extremely encouraging scouting reports from South Carolina fans pissed about losing him.  He sounds a lot more skilled than Burke at the same stage, even though he is roughly the same size as Burke now.  Oklahoma has been interested in him since last fall.  I like the sound of this addition.  I think we can do a lot worse, and he could play a key role for a run in 2008-2009 in the post. 

I hope so Viking....by the way, I'm not down on him.  I'm just trying to find information on him, and there isn't much.  I don't like to get into the attacking student athletes stuff like some...sure I stray from time to time, but I try not to.  I believe Matt Painter liked him at Purdue.  We could definitely do worse but I guess that's my question...is it worth the gamble or do you bank it.  I haven't been overly blown away by Spring signings (ours or other schools) for the most part.  Sometimes you get lucky with late bloomers or those that want to wait to sign.  I'd want to be really sure.  All one can do is trust the coaches that they're doing the right thing.

Nevertheless, if he comes to MU I'll be 100% behind him and DEFEND him to the hilt.   ;)

StillAWarrior

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 4205
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #48 on: April 25, 2008, 03:35:27 PM »
First of all... it's Morrow, not Marrow.

Thanks.  Should have gone with my initial spelling.  I had it right, then looked at the title of the thread and changed it.

Second... no offense to Chicos or anyone else who is down on him, but I'll take the word of a guy who's seen him play over the thoughts of a guy who is speculating based on HoopScoop rankings or Scout or Rivals or whatever other rankings you want to look at any day.  A guy who apparently saw him play said he's a skilled big man who would have competed for the starting C spot at South Carolina this year.  That sounds very promising.

I'm certainly not thinking Morrow is the next Michael Beasley or Big Baby or Robert Jackson, but this at least sounds like a promising pickup at this stage.  This guy sounds like a lot better basketball player than Dwight Burke at the same stage, but he is also Burke sized.  I would certainly not be upset if Buzz were to sign the big fella.

BTW, if you connect the dots, Aki Collins is the guy who brought Morrow and Marquette together for this interest.

Don't get me wrong...I want the kid and I hope we get him.  We need bigs and he's going to be better than any other option that I'm aware of.  But I don't put too much stock in message board talent evaluators.  I agree that message board talent evaluators who have actually seen a kid play are far more reliable than message board talent evaluators who haven't seen the kid play.  In any event, I misinterpreted your "scouting reports from SC fans" as being people who hadn't seen the kid play but were just run-of-the-mill message board geeks (like me).  I am always encouraged to hear positive scouting reports from people who actually have seen a kid -- whoever the person is.
Never wrestle with a pig.  You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

Litehouse

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 2211
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2008, 04:14:19 PM »
I don't like the idea of banking the scholarship for next year.  If we can get a serviceable big guy, like Morrow, I say take him.  Buzz's best recruiting tool for the future will be having a successful season next year while he's the head coach.  The table is set with the three amigos and if Buzz can get them some help up front I believe it will pay dividends in the long run.  Next year is our year to make a run and we need to do everything possible to take advantage of it.  If Morrow can come in for 5-10 minutes, play some physical D, get some rebounds, and finish on some dump offs from the amigos, he would provide a very valuable contribution.  Same goes for Otule IMHO.

MUViking

  • Starter
  • ***
  • Posts: 140
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #50 on: April 25, 2008, 04:23:25 PM »
I hope so Viking....by the way, I'm not down on him.  I'm just trying to find information on him, and there isn't much.  I don't like to get into the attacking student athletes stuff like some...sure I stray from time to time, but I try not to.  I believe Matt Painter liked him at Purdue.  We could definitely do worse but I guess that's my question...is it worth the gamble or do you bank it.  I haven't been overly blown away by Spring signings (ours or other schools) for the most part.  Sometimes you get lucky with late bloomers or those that want to wait to sign.  I'd want to be really sure.  All one can do is trust the coaches that they're doing the right thing.

Nevertheless, if he comes to MU I'll be 100% behind him and DEFEND him to the hilt.   ;)


Fair enough.  I do think comparing this "spring signing" with your typical spring signings (Karon Bradley, Jamil Lott, Trend Blackledge, Dwight Burke etc.) is not really relevant, though, since this is a kid who signed with a high major program in the fall and now is getting out of his commitment.  I'm not really sure Morrow was a late bloomer so much as he's in a situation where he's trying to find a school after the coach he committed to retired (Odom).

Morrow is not a can't miss prospect, but he does sound like he has a great deal more upside than a Dwight Burke.  I'd like to see him in the fold.

coach85

  • Registered User
  • Walk-On
  • *
  • Posts: 41
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #51 on: April 25, 2008, 04:33:29 PM »
Something to keep in mind:  Dave Odom liked Morrow enough to offer him the only scholarship SC had for next season for a team that was a lot like MU's - not much size.  Odom had a solid career ( 400 plus wins) with kids that were not always the highest ranked in high school.

I'm sure not saying that Morrow is the next Tim Duncan nor that he is an immediate impact guy, but it is a nice fit at this stage of the year.
As we try to quantify Morrow's value, Odom's opinion helps me to be more comfortable with this should it happen.

StillAWarrior

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 4205
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #52 on: April 25, 2008, 04:47:46 PM »
Fair enough.  I do think comparing this "spring signing" with your typical spring signings (Karon Bradley, Jamil Lott, Trend Blackledge, Dwight Burke etc.) is not really relevant, though, since this is a kid who signed with a high major program in the fall and now is getting out of his commitment.

This is a great point.
Never wrestle with a pig.  You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

ChicosBailBonds

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 22695
  • #AllInnocentLivesMatter
    • Cracked Sidewalks
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #53 on: April 25, 2008, 05:11:58 PM »
I don't like the idea of banking the scholarship for next year.  If we can get a serviceable big guy, like Morrow, I say take him.  Buzz's best recruiting tool for the future will be having a successful season next year while he's the head coach. 

Doesn't that go against the argument for banking it?  If we think Buzz's great ability is coming off of a great year next year (which we all think will happen) plus he has the ability to promise playing time, then why put a kid on a scholie that you've tied up for 4 years when you think you can land a better player next year on the heels of the great season/promise of playing time?

Just asking.

ChicosBailBonds

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 22695
  • #AllInnocentLivesMatter
    • Cracked Sidewalks
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #54 on: April 25, 2008, 05:47:47 PM »


Morrow is not a can't miss prospect, but he does sound like he has a great deal more upside than a Dwight Burke.  I'd like to see him in the fold.

I'm still remembering all of the glowing comments about Burke, Blackledge, etc from some of the recruiting experts and that's what makes me nervous.  Hope you're right.

mugrack

  • Team Captain
  • ****
  • Posts: 438
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #55 on: April 25, 2008, 07:21:45 PM »
We can always run a signed kid off, like Judas used to do each year. ;)

MUViking

  • Starter
  • ***
  • Posts: 140
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #56 on: April 25, 2008, 07:24:36 PM »
I'm still remembering all of the glowing comments about Burke, Blackledge, etc from some of the recruiting experts and that's what makes me nervous.  Hope you're right.


The "glowing reports" about Burke and Blackledge were nothing like the ones re: Morrow.  Both Burke and Blackledge had reports about "upside."  These reports are about his actual skill.  No comparison.

79Warrior

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 4080
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #57 on: April 25, 2008, 07:30:56 PM »
I'm still remembering all of the glowing comments about Burke, Blackledge, etc from some of the recruiting experts and that's what makes me nervous.  Hope you're right.

that is what makes me very nervous about Fulce and Butler. Are these guys really going to be able to give us decent minutes in the BE. Our track record in this area is spotty at best.

MUViking

  • Starter
  • ***
  • Posts: 140
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #58 on: April 25, 2008, 08:28:57 PM »
that is what makes me very nervous about Fulce and Butler. Are these guys really going to be able to give us decent minutes in the BE. Our track record in this area is spotty at best.


I think you might be pleasantly surprised...

MUViking

  • Starter
  • ***
  • Posts: 140
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #59 on: April 25, 2008, 08:36:59 PM »
I'm still remembering all of the glowing comments about Burke, Blackledge, etc from some of the recruiting experts and that's what makes me nervous.  Hope you're right.


From the scouting report from Danny Hurley on Dwight Burke:

“He (Burke) picked them because they’ll coach the hell out him.”

“He’s (Crean) a basketball coach; he’s going to coach him everyday and that’s what the kid needs.”

“He’s a late bloomer type that really started to play well late."

"He showed great progress late. He’s a guy who’s got some real upside. He’s a little raw because he’s only been here for one year. He’s going to keep getting better and he’s going to play for them.”



And the SWIC coach on Blackledge:

"He is an under-the-radar kid."

"Lawrence is very skinny, but he started strength training this year.  He felt stronger and started taking it at people with confidence."



ChicosBailBonds

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 22695
  • #AllInnocentLivesMatter
    • Cracked Sidewalks
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #60 on: April 25, 2008, 10:20:42 PM »

From the scouting report from Danny Hurley on Dwight Burke:

“He (Burke) picked them because they’ll coach the hell out him.”

“He’s (Crean) a basketball coach; he’s going to coach him everyday and that’s what the kid needs.”

“He’s a late bloomer type that really started to play well late."

"He showed great progress late. He’s a guy who’s got some real upside. He’s a little raw because he’s only been here for one year. He’s going to keep getting better and he’s going to play for them.”



And the SWIC coach on Blackledge:

"He is an under-the-radar kid."

"Lawrence is very skinny, but he started strength training this year.  He felt stronger and started taking it at people with confidence."




Those are from their coaches, I was referencing some of the recruiting experts, even some of the local recruiting experts.

At any rate, you seem to think Morrow is quite good and that makes me feel better.  I hope he is....so where do we stand on a commitment?

MUViking

  • Starter
  • ***
  • Posts: 140
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #61 on: April 25, 2008, 11:45:04 PM »
At any rate, you seem to think Morrow is quite good and that makes me feel better.  I hope he is....so where do we stand on a commitment?


No, I don't know how good Morrow really is.  I just think he's probably a better prospect than Dwight Burke or Trend Blackledge, based on what I've read and based on what was out there on those guys when they were being recruited.

As far as a commitment goes... too early to say.  Buzz needs to evaluate whether this is the guy he wants.  I think on paper, this guy looks like a solid pickup, but of course, you ideally want a guy to come in, talk to the coaches, meet the team, play a scrimmage, etc. first. 

« Last Edit: April 26, 2008, 10:26:26 AM by MUViking »

Litehouse

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 2211
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #62 on: April 26, 2008, 08:13:49 AM »
Doesn't that go against the argument for banking it?  If we think Buzz's great ability is coming off of a great year next year (which we all think will happen) plus he has the ability to promise playing time, then why put a kid on a scholie that you've tied up for 4 years when you think you can land a better player next year on the heels of the great season/promise of playing time?

Just asking.

I guess the question is if you think we can be successful without an additional big guy.  I think our chances for success next year are greatly increased with an additional big guy.  If Buzz can't have a decent year with our returning talent (assuming McNeal comes back), then it may not matter how many slots we have open.  Buzz needs to put it all on the line for next year, otherwise he may not be able to land a better player.

Whether Morrow is the guy we need or not, I have no idea.  If Buzz thinks he is, then I say go for it.  Plus the fact we already have 4 slots (EW taking one) for the following year.

LastWarrior

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1433
  • Let's Go Warriors!!
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #63 on: April 26, 2008, 01:07:01 PM »
Guys... let's not get too excited here.  I've reached out to 2 Rivals state of Georgia recruiting experts and neither has any info on this kid.  If they can dig something up, i'll post it here.  Maybe he's an under the radar player but most likely, he's another bad spring signing.  I say bank the scholly.
"The Lord is a Warrior" - Exodus 15:3

bleedbluegold03

  • Starter
  • ***
  • Posts: 127
  • Ring Out Ahoya!
Re: Darius Marrow...?
« Reply #64 on: April 29, 2008, 12:09:45 PM »
go on to scout.com and you'll find we are in the runnings for Jamil Wilson (5 Star) and eleven 4 star prospects. Why use one on a weak spring signing when you can make the '09 recruiting class that much stronger? It seams like an easy decision for me: BANK IT.

Created by the Jamil_toMU09

 

feedback