Article on Jamil Wilson's recruitment

[bma725]

don't forget korie lucious

MU never went after Lucious as hard as the other guys mentioned.  Too many issues surrounding the kid.

[StillAWarrior]

I understand what your saying and it will be interesting to see what happens but I really do believe that up until TC left, we were Jamil's leader so I do feel that we still have a decent shot.  Playing close to home especially when you have a close knit family is a huge factor and I think Buzz is a good enough recruiter to push us back on top.  Having a year left before Jamil announces his decision will help a lot.

I really hope you're right.  It would be great for the program to get him.  If he comes, what that means is that there are plenty of things more important to him and his family than playing for a coach with the experience (or reputation) of developing NBA players.  In my opinion, that would be wise to value other things more highly.  I just know I'd love to have him.

[THEGYMBAR]

In my opinion Wilson is to Buzz what Joe Wolfe was to Rick. If Majerus got Wolfe his legay would had been changed forever at MU. If Buzz can somehow pull Wilson off it will be the start of something. If he doesn't he could very easily follow the same path Rick took.

I fully realize Wilson is a big time recruit, but it is in our backyard. Buzz has to do anything needed to get it done. Even if Wilson only lived up to 50% of the advance billing it would be a big building block. If I was Buzz I would promise the kid the moon.

[NersEllenson]

Move along people -- nothing to see here! 

Just because Crean bolted for Indiana [which is now an "option"] and MU scoured the country in order to land Buzz Williams [who?] doesn't mean there's any reason to be concerned that Wilson is also being recruited by the likes of Izzo, Ryan, Self, et al.

Just another reason to scratch our collective heads over MU's decision to hire the lowest profile coach available.

3Mer - It's getting a little old reading your self-righteous posts about the Newbill recruitment..thought it would be fun to do a little research and see some of your thought processes.  Quite Ironic.

[martyconlonontherun]

Do you have a job?

And even though Jamil ended up here, it doesn't mean that he blew it earlier. I'm from Racine and heard stories of Buzz just doing stupid things trying to recruit Wilson. Buzz isn't and wasn't perfect. He's doing a great job learning and building a team, though.

The only people worse than those that blame Buzz for everything are those who thinks he is perfect.

[NersEllenson]

Do you have a job?

And even though Jamil ended up here, it doesn't mean that he blew it earlier. I'm from Racine and heard stories of Buzz just doing stupid things trying to recruit Wilson. Buzz isn't and wasn't perfect. He's doing a great job learning and building a team, though.

The only people worse than those that blame Buzz for everything are those who thinks he is perfect.

Do I have a job?  Really?  No, I'm an unemployed loser - just like you who posts here during the work day.  If you would, could you please share with me and the rest of the board - what "stupid things" you "heard" Buzz did in trying to recruit Wilson??  Must have been really, really, really stupid stuff for Wilson to decide to come play for Buzz.  The only people worse than those who believe evything they hear are those who...wait a minute...there isn't much worse than someon who believes gossip to be true..and then passes it along...but since you are already that person..go ahead and regal all of us with the stupid things Buzz did in his recruitment of Wilson?

[NavinRJohnson]

I'm sure Buzz will save the day

This is the one that got my attention, from a guy who claims he doesn't judge a coach for 3-5 years. How long had he been coach at this point, 3-5 days?

[martyconlonontherun]

Do I have a job?  Really?  No, I'm an unemployed loser - just like you who posts here during the work day.  If you would, could you please share with me and the rest of the board - what "stupid things" you "heard" Buzz did in trying to recruit Wilson??  Must have been really, really, really stupid stuff for Wilson to decide to come play for Buzz.  The only people worse than those who believe evything they hear are those who...wait a minute...there isn't much worse than someon who believes gossip to be true..and then passes it along...but since you are already that person..go ahead and regal all of us with the stupid things Buzz did in his recruitment of Wilson?

Basically, that he approached him wrong. Gave him some bad impressions. Nothing really bad, but things that didn't help in his recruitment. That and closing and opening his scholarship spot. It obviously wasn't bad enough to keep Jamil away, but it was initially. I was just saying buzz wasn't perfect in his recruitment of Wilson and that to say criticism of his first summer on the job could have been warranted, though premature.

And just because he came to MU doesn't mean it was all Buzz recruiting him. You can tell he misses his home and that was a major reason he came back. This past weekend he could be seen fooling around with friends at a Racine Raiders game or walking in the parade and being all smiles.

I apologize for the personal attack but do you really need to bring up posts that are 2 years old. Yes, time proves some people right but you also lose a lot of context and details.

[tower912]

The chemistry was bad two years ago because Buzz needed immediate commitments and Jamil wasn't going to be rushed.   Regardless, do we REALLY need to to rehash two year old threads in order to keep juvenile grudges going?

[MUBurrow]

Do I have a job?  Really?  No, I'm an unemployed loser - just like you who posts here during the work day. 

The only people worse than those who believe evything they hear are those who...wait a minute...there isn't much worse than someon who believes gossip to be true..and then passes it along...but since you are already that person..go ahead and regal all of us with the stupid things Buzz did in his recruitment of Wilson?

Are you drunk? What does half this even say?

[MUSF]

Are you drunk? What does half this even say?

Is it a good thing or a bad thing if he is drunk but also at work?

[MUBurrow]

im not even mad, im more just impressed.

[GGGG]

Ners reminds me of the North Korean ministry of information.

[mu03eng]

Ners reminds me of the North Korean ministry of information.

Or Bagdad Bob, "They're not even [within] 100 miles [of Baghdad]. They are not in any place. They hold no place in Iraq. This is an illusion ... they are trying to sell to the others an illusion."

[96warrior]

The thing that stands out the most to me about this old post being dragged up again is how much more civil the debates were back then.

[NersEllenson]

Are you drunk? What does half this even say?

If you couldn't comprehend what I'd written, then either: A) You are drunk or B) You aren't too bright.  But here..to break it down for you in simpleton terms - Marty Conlon stated he "heard" Buzz did "stupid things" in his initial recruitment of Wilson...my point was that there isn't much worse than someone who believes everything they hear..and that gossips that information forward...like Marty Conlon did.  Simple enough for you??

[NersEllenson]

Basically, that he approached him wrong. Gave him some bad impressions. Nothing really bad, but things that didn't help in his recruitment. That and closing and opening his scholarship spot. It obviously wasn't bad enough to keep Jamil away, but it was initially. I was just saying buzz wasn't perfect in his recruitment of Wilson and that to say criticism of his first summer on the job could have been warranted, though premature.

And just because he came to MU doesn't mean it was all Buzz recruiting him. You can tell he misses his home and that was a major reason he came back. This past weekend he could be seen fooling around with friends at a Racine Raiders game or walking in the parade and being all smiles.

I apologize for the personal attack but do you really need to bring up posts that are 2 years old. Yes, time proves some people right but you also lose a lot of context and details.

No worries about the personal attack.  But, do you expect perfection from people?  Buzz wasn't perfect in his recrutiment of Wilson?  I wouldn't expect him to be "perfect" in his recruitment of Wilson..to be a perfect head coach..to be a perfect citizen..I don't expect perfection of anybody..but what pisses me off is when some posters here want to expect perfection from Buzz..and complain about the way he's handled some things in his time at MU.  We have probably the best under 40 year old coach in the country..who has assembled probably the best collection of talent at MU from top to bottom...yet we have some who nitpick the sh$t out of him.  It's like get off your high horse, have a little gratitude, and stop being so self righteous...I'm not necessarily directing this comment at you..but rahter explaining my position on Buzz.  My point is that Buzz is really, really good..and we are lucky to have him at MU.  Is he perfect...No....but has he accomplished more than any of the other "preferred candidates" at the time of Crean's departure...absolutely YES.

[martyconlonontherun]

No worries about the personal attack.  But, do you expect perfection from people?  Buzz wasn't perfect in his recrutiment of Wilson?  I wouldn't expect him to be "perfect" in his recruitment of Wilson..to be a perfect head coach..to be a perfect citizen..I don't expect perfection of anybody..but what pisses me off is when some posters here want to expect perfection from Buzz..and complain about the way he's handled some things in his time at MU.  We have probably the best under 40 year old coach in the country..who has assembled probably the best collection of talent at MU from top to bottom...yet we have some who nitpick the sh$t out of him.  It's like get off your high horse, have a little gratitude, and stop being so self righteous...I'm not necessarily directing this comment at you..but rahter explaining my position on Buzz.  My point is that Buzz is really, really good..and we are lucky to have him at MU.  Is he perfect...No....but has he accomplished more than any of the other "preferred candidates" at the time of Crean's departure...absolutely YES.

Yes, I agree but hindsight is 20/20. At the time, we hired a coach with no resume who missed out on a big time recruit from 20 minutes south. Of course people were hesitant of the Buzz hire. I'm not arguing that Buzz is a top coach now, but rather he probably wasn't at the time.
It's like pulling up a post before the Bucks season last year. If you said the Bucks basically have no shot of getting the 6th seed, you look foolish looking back. But if you go back to last offseason with the information available that would be the regular statement. There's no point of digging up post from 2 years ago. No one can predict the future. The only people who look smart are those who are vague and make comments like Buzz could be really good or really bad but won't make a stance either way. It's a message board, you are suppose to have an opinion.

[NersEllenson]

Yes, I agree but hindsight is 20/20. At the time, we hired a coach with no resume who missed out on a big time recruit from 20 minutes south. Of course people were hesitant of the Buzz hire. I'm not arguing that Buzz is a top coach now, but rather he probably wasn't at the time.
It's like pulling up a post before the Bucks season last year. If you said the Bucks basically have no shot of getting the 6th seed, you look foolish looking back. But if you go back to last offseason with the information available that would be the regular statement. There's no point of digging up post from 2 years ago. No one can predict the future. The only people who look smart are those who are vague and make comments like Buzz could be really good or really bad but won't make a stance either way. It's a message board, you are suppose to have an opinion.

Good point..and I am all for people having a consistent opinion...but don't bellyache about him being named the coach 2 years ago..and that he'd have no chance to compete for Wilson against the likes of Izzo and Rick Barnes...but now..a year later when we get Wilson..start criticizing the sh$t out of Buzz for "cutting" Newbill..and bringing in Wilson (especially when  -3EMer-wasn't present in the conversations between MU and Newbill...they guy - 3EM'er has been all over Buzz's a$$ about the Newbill situation...and when he started posting here had a major problem with Buzz being hired and questioned his recruiting ability...now..Buzz isn't recruiting in the "right way."  I brought up the post from 2 years ago as I found it ironic 3EM'er has been bitching for the last week about the Newbill situation..and found it ironic he was bitching about Buzz being hired 2 years ago due to his lack of experience and "likely" inability to recruit..which I think Buzz has clearly shown..he can recruit.

[MUCam]

Good point..and I am all for people having a consistent opinion...but don't bellyache about him being named the coach 2 years ago..and that he'd have no chance to compete for Wilson against the likes of Izzo and Rick Barnes...but now..a year later when we get Wilson..start criticizing the sh$t out of Buzz for "cutting" Newbill..and bringing in Wilson (especially when  -3EMer-wasn't present in the conversations between MU and Newbill...they guy - 3EM'er has been all over Buzz's a$$ about the Newbill situation...and when he started posting here had a major problem with Buzz being hired and questioned his recruiting ability...now..Buzz isn't recruiting in the "right way."  I brought up the post from 2 years ago as I found it ironic 3EM'er has been bitching for the last week about the Newbill situation..and found it ironic he was bitching about Buzz being hired 2 years ago due to his lack of experience and "likely" inability to recruit..which I think Buzz has clearly shown..he can recruit.

You are so apples to oranges in your "argument" that with a few grapes, you'd be a fruit salad (or a jug of sangria if in fact you are drunk).

[NersEllenson]

You are so apples to oranges in your "argument" that with a few grapes, you'd be a fruit salad (or a jug of sangria if in fact you are drunk).

Great- And since you are at it - why don't you give me some examples of where I'm apples to oranges in my argument? 

[MUSF]

Great- And since you are at it - why don't you give me some examples of where I'm apples to oranges in my argument? 

I've got one.

We didn't get Wilson until he decided to transfer.  So technically Buzz did lose the recruiting battle.  Furthermore, wanting Buzz to beat people out for Wilson doesn't mean he has to approve of the manner in which he does it.  You are trying to say that because he wanted Buzz to win the battle for Wilson, he has to approve of Newbill getting let go.  That logic doesn't fly.

[MUCam]

I've got one.

We didn't get Wilson until he decided to transfer.  So technically Buzz did lose the recruiting battle.  Furthermore, wanting Buzz to beat people out for Wilson doesn't mean he has to approve of the manner in which he does it.  You are trying to say that because he wanted Buzz to win the battle for Wilson, he has to approve of Newbill getting let go.  That logic doesn't fly.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner. Tell him what he's (or she's) won: A Dole's fruit cocktail cup. Yay.

[nycwarrior]

wow. move this sh#t debate to email.

[NersEllenson]

I've got one.

We didn't get Wilson until he decided to transfer.  So technically Buzz did lose the recruiting battle.  Furthermore, wanting Buzz to beat people out for Wilson doesn't mean he has to approve of the manner in which he does it.  You are trying to say that because he wanted Buzz to win the battle for Wilson, he has to approve of Newbill getting let go.  That logic doesn't fly.

Try this one - 3EM'er complaind that when Buzz was hired he basically wouldn't stand a chance at landing Wilson..or competing with Izzo/Barnes, etc.  3EM'er basically complained that Buzz wouldn't stand a chance in recruiting.  It is clear..that Buzz can recruit..got us our first 5-star in Vander Blue (which 3EM'er complained about that we were trying to get to 5-star recruiting levels..building the program in that direction..and then we hire Buzz..).  It is ironic that Wilson chose to transfer to MU.  I'm sure Izzo would have made room for him, and that is close to home too.  Or Bo Ryan would have made room for him..Maybe Wilson didn't want to commit to a first yeear, unproven coach..he went elsewhere..saw that Buzz could coach, recruit..and now it makes his decision that meuch easier to come play for Buzz...this isn't an apples/oranges scenario, and to try to make it into a comparison type of argument as MUCam di is ridiculous..