Be ready for some people to move on

[craftyvet]

might have a few transfers--at least that is the word i'm hearing right now.

[77ncaachamps]

Let me guess...

Trevor, Cubillan, Christopherson, Hazel...

Does Frozena still have eligibility?

[TallTitan34]

And your sources are. . .

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Ah crap, Craftyvet knows his stuff.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Minnesota fans are saying Trevor contacted their coaches.....for what it's worth.

[esotericmindguy]

Cubillan, Christopherson, Hazel.....feel free.

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Where can SC go?

[craftyvet]

listen, i dont find enjoyment or satisfaction reporting this.  but lets just say, buzz better recruit a good young class quickly.

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listen, i dont find enjoyment or satisfaction reporting this.  but lets just say, buzz better recruit a good young class quickly.

How many we looking at 5?

[craftyvet]

a couple at least

[NavinRJohnson]

Ah crap, Craftyvet knows his stuff.

Agreed. When he posts it,  its so.

[ecompt]

I for one will not miss Cubes for one second. Much better in his own mind that he is on the court. Hazel and Scott might get more playing time here next year than they would elsewhere.

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a couple at least

Thanks for the info. If you hear anything let me know!

[bma725]

Minnesota fans are saying Trevor contacted their coaches.....for what it's worth.

True, but supposedly he was told there is no room and he is waiting to talk it over with Buzz before making a decision.

[Sir Lawrence]

Cubillan, Christopherson, Hazel.....feel free.

I'd be upset if Christopherson bailed. 

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Cubillan, Christopherson, Hazel.....feel free.

I'd be upset if Christopherson bailed. 

I'd be too, since he committed so early. But, he gone.

[Coobeys Oil Depot]

Glad we hired the coach who would keep continuity in the program.

5 players gone within 2 weeks of his hiring. 9 players gone within 12 months of his hiring.

[LastWarrior]

Ah crap, Craftyvet knows his stuff.

Really?  He has 7 posts on this site?!?!  Who is this masked man?

[Coobeys Oil Depot]

Ah crap, Craftyvet knows his stuff.

Really?  He has 7 posts on this site?!?!  Who is this masked man?

He goes way back in the MU fan forum lore. Kid knows his stuff.

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Ah crap, Craftyvet knows his stuff.

Really?  He has 7 posts on this site?!?!  Who is this masked man?

He's called Mason, Amo, Bradley, Niv, BBell and other transfers right on the money.

Carryover from the Rivals board.

[muguru]

I know craftyvet is credible, but he'd be even more credible if he named some names.

[Sir Lawrence]

He's credible. 

[THEGYMBAR]

Crafty is right. MU will be losing 2 to 3 shortly. Before bashing me, I take no pleasure in this post either. Two probably gone with almost any coach.

[LastWarrior]

sure... but what was his name on rivals?  I remember a poster calling a few of the transfers but he wasn't called craftyvet was he? 

so really impress me and throw some names out there... gotta be better than the fans speculating! 

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I know craftyvet is credible, but he'd be even more credible if he named some names.

craftyvet is credible, that's all you need to know, capiche?

He was craftyvet on the old board.

[ChicosBailBonds]

might have a few transfers--at least that is the word i'm hearing right now.

You were a pitcher on the MU club baseball team a few years ago, right?  I hope you're wrong, but I suspect you are right for a few of them.

[muguru]

Exactly, if you know a couple people are leaving, then you know who they are. If they are leaving what does it hurt to say who??

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might have a few transfers--at least that is the word i'm hearing right now.

You were a pitcher on the MU club baseball team a few years ago, right?  I hope you're wrong, but I suspect you are right for a few of them.

Someone likes to use google.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I wouldn't want a Badger club baseball player spreading those rumors.   

[bananahammock]

craftyvet has some pretty good sources and has been correct many times in the past.

[pbiflyer]

Crafty is right. MU will be losing 2 to 3 shortly. Before bashing me, I take no pleasure in this post either. Two probably gone with almost any coach.

Well, some people leaving are a good thing. I hear that there was a season ticket open, as one of the former season ticket holders was moving  on.

[mufan924]

i appreciate his credibility, but did he call them out by name before? just curious...dont need the names now, but wouldnt mind knowin his street cred. wow we all are pretty concerned about the mu program

[LastWarrior]

well let's put a positive spin on this... if Buzz is really such a great recruiter, we should be able to replace these Crean "scrubs" with Buzz's studs!!  WOO HOO!!  Bring on those 4 and 5 star players!!!

[bananahammock]

none of the names would necessarily be shockers.  hopefully everyone returns!

[Mayor McCheese]

If Wes, McNeal, James, Hayward, Burke, Acker still here, I am ok with that, and they all will be.

[LastWarrior]

If Wes, McNeal, James, Hayward, Burke, Acker still here, I am ok with that, and they all will be.

Well i'd feel a LOT better if Trevor was back... we have NO veteran height after Burke next year.

[MR.HAYWARD]

Christopherson reminded me of another fine recruit in Menard, the guy could not even dribble with his left hand.  Hazel please.   Buzz can replace them in 6 hours

[mviale]

I bet these guys were leaving even if the legendary Tom Crean was still coaching MU.

[Daniel]

Well, Buzz will do whatever he thinks is right - and if some leave, then they do.  Does anyone know who is out there still avaialble for the 2008-2009 season that Buzz could even go after?  Are there any?  Who are they?

[shaquilvaine]

Among the things one doesn't look forward to is a letter from the IRS, a call from your doctor in regards to test results or a post from craftyvet.  Those of us who've followed these boards for a while realize the vet is solid in his sources so a transfer or two must indeed be imminent.   

[madtownwarrior]

if cubillian goes, can he take Coobeys Oil Depot with him?


how do you get 9 guys leaving within 12 months (not counting seniors who graduate)....

[Coobeys Oil Depot]

The funny thing about all of this that is going is that the MU website has the 08-09 page up with Williams as coach and the returning players and corrected class listed. (http://gomarquette.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/marq-m-baskbl-mtt.html) Also, they all showed up for the press conference. Don't see that too often even when the players are staying much less some leaving.

And, madtown, this is the math:
2 incoming recruits in Williams and Taylor
3 transfers in Mbakwe, ?????, ????
4 players in their last year of eligibility

I was sold that Buzz was a good hire for continuity. On April 1, 2009 he will have lost 3/4 of the roster he inherited. That's not continuity.

[madtownwarrior]

Counting the graduating seniors is idiotic.  We could have hired Bill Self or Roy Williams or reincarnated Al McGuire and your claim would still be true that we would lose 4 seniors.  You can't blame those 4 on hiring Buzz or lack of Buzz being able to hold the team together.

It's clear you don't like the hire, but be reasonable in your arguements.

[drewm88]

That's 5 at worst. You can't count graduating seniors, especially the walk on.

[Daniel]

You might be able to lay the transfers on Buzz, but incoming and graduating - no way - he did not create the coaching exit of TC, and well, we are proud at MU that our kids graduate.

[coach85]

From the press conference video, we can see that Buzz took time to "hug-it-out" with the team.  But, it looked like Trevor and Christopherson were the only two that did not get some love...........conspiracy???

[ChicosBailBonds]

Nick Williams said tonight flat out, he's not coming.  He likes Buzz, but he's not coming.  Reported by Channel 6 news tonight in Milwaukee as well.  Williams will not be at Marquette.

[Coobeys Oil Depot]

Counting the graduating seniors is idiotic.  We could have hired Bill Self or Roy Williams or reincarnated Al McGuire and your claim would still be true that we would lose 4 seniors.  You can't blame those 4 on hiring Buzz or lack of Buzz being able to hold the team together.

It's clear you don't like the hire, but be reasonable in your arguements.

You're all missing my point. The main selling point of Buzz was continuity. When 3/4 of your present roster will be gone the following April why are you so consumed with continuity? If you are going to lose these guys anyway, why aren't you making experience the number one criteria since we will need someone who has either built their own program or re-built a program in dire straits. Why are we hiring based on 30 games next season when we should be worried about the next 180 games over six seasons? This screams experienced Head Coach. Not a one-year detour Head Coach.

I'm not blaming Buzz for the Seniors. I'm saying that the continuity aspect is crape and that's the only foundation people are laying on when building their Buzz argument.

[jutaw22mu]

wow i got banned from the scout board for posting that this is a possibility.

and by the way, hazels facebooks seems to indicate hes "on his way out"

[madtownwarrior]

so the continuity argument is crap, maybe the administration hired Buzz for something they saw in his ability to coach, recruit and to be the representative iof Marquette basketball...


maybe they just liked what he brought to the table (over the other candidates) or his future potential

[4everwarriors]

wow i got banned from the scout board for posting that this is a possibility.

and by the way, hazels facebooks seems to indicate hes "on his way out"

Consider the banning as a badge of honor. That board is a ridiculus joke if you are one who thinks for themselves.

[Niv Berkowitz]

I can't say losing Scottie C would be a shock, or a tremendous loss. He's slow, has a slow release, and will get killed in the Big East. Hazel I never saw enough of to know, but for "continuity" sake, I'd like him to stay, especially since we'll have nobody else to throw on the floor.

Anyone been tracking any other teams' top flight recruits that aren't going to honor their commitments due to the coaching carousel? What about IU's guys? WKU's? Any other teams' Ty Taylor's out there?

[Mayor McCheese]

Devin Ebanks is leaving IU, a 5 star recruit according to scout.com.... also the #4 SF recruit... lets pull him in... wishful thinking.

[The Lens]

Seems to me that Mbakwe (home issues) and SC (rumors of a D2 school) would have left regardless of TC leaving.  If so, it's another swing and miss recruiting class for TC.

When TC put it together, he was great...but when he missed his missed big.

[lurch91]

Anyone been tracking any other teams' top flight recruits that aren't going to honor their commitments due to the coaching carousel? What about IU's guys? WKU's? Any other teams' Ty Taylor's out there?

I remember when KO was hired we gained 3 transers instantly (Zulauf, Curry and Stewart).  This situation is a bit different.  I wouldn't think we'd get any transfers in this case. 

[Pakuni]

Seems to me that Mbakwe (home issues) and SC (rumors of a D2 school) would have left regardless of TC leaving.  If so, it's another swing and miss recruiting class for TC.

When TC put it together, he was great...but when he missed his missed big.

In fairness, I don't think you can blame Crean or call Mbakwe a bad recruit if his transfer really is the result of family issues. That, it would seem, isn't something you can predict.

As for Christopherson, when he committed to Marquette as a sophomore he was a rated as a 5-star recruit and considered on of the top 25-50 players in his class. Obviously a lot of players passed him by after that, but that's the risk you take when you accept a verbal that early in the process.

[superfan1387]

and by the way, hazels facebooks seems to indicate hes "on his way out"
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after i read that i went to hazels facebook and started laughing when i read his status. what an interesting way to announce it to the world.

[Coobeys Oil Depot]

so the continuity argument is crap, maybe the administration hired Buzz for something they saw in his ability to coach, recruit and to be the representative iof Marquette basketball...


maybe they just liked what he brought to the table (over the other candidates) or his future potential

So, you find no problem in you (and other ardent Buzz supporters) trumping continuity as a great selling point for a Buzz hire and then now accepting that the continuity argument is crap?

Ability to coach? How much can you glean from a 14-17 season at UNO?

Recruit? Williams signed two role players for Marquette.

Representative for MU ball? I'll give you that. Williams seems to be very genuine. I'm not sure how long it will take for the    up in press conferences after the game to get old or how long it will take for people to wrap their head around the Jesuit school in Milwaukee, Wisconsin hiring a coach who says "progrum" but he does seem to be a nice guy.

As a final note, I appreciate that you responded to me without calling me an idiot or whiny or saying that you're amazed at the stupidity of MU fans.

[jce]

Seems to me that Mbakwe (home issues) and SC (rumors of a D2 school) would have left regardless of TC leaving.  If so, it's another swing and miss recruiting class for TC.

When TC put it together, he was great...but when he missed his missed big.

In fairness, I don't think you can blame Crean or call Mbakwe a bad recruit if his transfer really is the result of family issues. That, it would seem, isn't something you can predict.

As for Christopherson, when he committed to Marquette as a sophomore he was a rated as a 5-star recruit and considered on of the top 25-50 players in his class. Obviously a lot of players passed him by after that, but that's the risk you take when you accept a verbal that early in the process.

The other issue with SC is that when he committed, he was playing at a little dinky school.  (Melrose-Mindoro)  He tranfered to Aquinas after that, and while very good, I think it became clear that against better competition he probably should have been slated a D2 prospect to start with.

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Seems to me that Mbakwe (home issues) and SC (rumors of a D2 school) would have left regardless of TC leaving.  If so, it's another swing and miss recruiting class for TC.

When TC put it together, he was great...but when he missed his missed big.

In fairness, I don't think you can blame Crean or call Mbakwe a bad recruit if his transfer really is the result of family issues. That, it would seem, isn't something you can predict.

As for Christopherson, when he committed to Marquette as a sophomore he was a rated as a 5-star recruit and considered on of the top 25-50 players in his class. Obviously a lot of players passed him by after that, but that's the risk you take when you accept a verbal that early in the process.

The other issue with SC is that when he committed, he was playing at a little dinky school.  (Melrose-Mindoro)  He tranfered to Aquinas after that, and while very good, I think it became clear that against better competition he probably should have been slated a D2 prospect to start with.

SC played great in one summer of AAU tournaments, he was legitmately at that time a top prospect. He then committed to Marquette, dropped off the Playground Warriors (Good AAU), and joined his YMCA AAU team.

Seems like SC might not be up to the challenge of competition if he keeps on dropping his level of play.

Hopefully, he'll transfer to Winona.

[ecompt]

actually, I was thinking Carthage. Other than the one shot against Cincy, he did not look like a Big East player for one second.

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actually, I was thinking Carthage. Other than the one shot against Cincy, he did not look like a Big East player for one second.

Carthage wouldn't be a bad fit, but Winona would be close to home. And I hear they are pretty good.