Crean or Izzo to IU?

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Are you guys really such simpletons that you don't understand that I was joking?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

PS: Our mascot/nickname SUCKS and anybody who accepts it has zero credibility as a Marquette fan!!

2002mualum, wanna take a crack at surarcoating that one?

Hahaha...

Let me try to put it through the PRN Translator2000...


"While I respect the current students and recent alumni for their pride, I have to say that the current nickname is most unsatisfactory to older alumni. I also think that the process by which the nickname was decided was atrocious, and I have to question fans who have simply "accepted" or "learned to live with" the current nickname. The nickname was a mistake, and I don't think we (fans, alumni, etc.) should be forced to keep it."

How's that?

[jmayer1]

Are you guys really such simpletons that you don't understand that I was joking?

I guess I am and if you were it is my mistake and I apologize   

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Are you guys really such simpletons that you don't understand that I was joking?

That's the point, man. Seriously.

The VAST MAJORITY of your writing is so laced with bitterness and negativity that there is no way for anybody to know if you are trying to be sarcastic or making a joke.

[79Warrior]

PS: Our mascot/nickname SUCKS and anybody who accepts it has zero credibility as a Marquette fan!!

I totally agree with you on that. It is so obvious the fans have not bought into it when virtually nobody but the students wear gold. It has been soundly rejected.

[mu-rara]

And for the record, I am a fan of hers.

I too am a fan.

While I am sure Joani's preference may be to stay in MKE,  that is not the only factor.

I know KO and TC are friends.  Based on KO's interest in returning when TC took the job, I'd bet that KO told TC,

" look out man, the grass is not greener.  If you like it at MU, and they're paying you well (they are), and you control your destiny, be very careful about taking another job".

[4everwarriors]

"Show me the money, honey" and we're gone. That said, IU probably won't pay what it would take and won't give the head coach the power Crean now enjoys.

[Mayor McCheese]

PRN, I went to high school with Joanie.   I am assuming she, like everyone else, has grown and matured, but retains certain personality traits from her youth.   I firmly believe she influences TC's decisions.   

I don't doubt that she does!! But she's not going to stand in the way if he wants the Indiana, or Kentucky, or Illinois, or Kansas, or Michigan State, or Michigan jobs!! Hell, with his brother in law out in Palo Alto, whose to say he wouldn't take a job out there? My point is that people speaking for our coach's wife are going beyond making assumptions.

Here's a newsflash for everybody on this board....Milwaukee is not Shangri-La.

Bloomington isn't Shangri-La either, nor is Champaign, or Ann Arbor... although Milwaukee isn't the greatest city in the nation, I will take it over those three.  Yes Indiana has a name in college basketball, however I think that name is going to fall quickly, real fast.  Why would you want that job if you are at an established school in the Big East, to go to a worse conference, at a worse situation.  Indiana is in trouble due to Kelvin Sampson, it has only just begun.

[🏀]

PRN, I went to high school with Joanie.   I am assuming she, like everyone else, has grown and matured, but retains certain personality traits from her youth.   I firmly believe she influences TC's decisions.   

I don't doubt that she does!! But she's not going to stand in the way if he wants the Indiana, or Kentucky, or Illinois, or Kansas, or Michigan State, or Michigan jobs!! Hell, with his brother in law out in Palo Alto, whose to say he wouldn't take a job out there? My point is that people speaking for our coach's wife are going beyond making assumptions.

Here's a newsflash for everybody on this board....Milwaukee is not Shangri-La.

Bloomington isn't Shangri-La either, nor is Champaign, or Ann Arbor... although Milwaukee isn't the greatest city in the nation, I will take it over those three.  Yes Indiana has a name in college basketball, however I think that name is going to fall quickly, real fast.  Why would you want that job if you are at an established school in the Big East, to go to a worse conference, at a worse situation.  Indiana is in trouble due to Kelvin Sampson, it has only just begun.

Seriously? Beatiful Champaign and Ann Arbor over the cess pool that is Milwaukee? Yeah, right.

[MUshrooms]

Bravo 2002mualum.  I'm loving the translator, you should do it for every absurd post.

[MUSF]

PS: Our mascot/nickname SUCKS and anybody who accepts it has zero credibility as a Marquette fan!!

I totally agree with you on that. It is so obvious the fans have not bought into it when virtually nobody but the students wear gold. It has been soundly rejected.

It is also obvious by the attendance numbers and the state of MU basketball that none of you are really upset enough to stay away. Way to stick it to the University guys!

Seriously, we're all borderline losers for caring this much about sports, but to be that butt-hurt and boo-boo lipped over a nickname and a mascot screams get a life.

I appologize to everyone for even responding and throwing fuel on this adolescent brush fire, but what sports addicted loser doesn't like a good pissing contest every now and then?

[MARQKC]

PS: Our mascot/nickname SUCKS and anybody who accepts it has zero credibility as a Marquette fan!!

Bitterness and hyperbole in the same sentence.

BRILLIANT!

You sir, are truly a literary artist. Bravo.

How do you know PRN is a "sir?"

I figure if he can question your fanhood, we can question his manhood.

Sorry. Couldn't resist. Just kidding.

[DAtruth]

i live in indiana and iu fans are second to craziness only to kentucky..but ihave to say there are only a few coaches in the country who wouldnt take that call and listen to a proposal, 1 being bob knight..iu is spending some serious $$ to upgrade and build all new athletic facilities..when that happens..yes iu=basketball eden for a coach..i am an iu hater, have been since birth..and that will never change..but the iu campus has a rowdy basketball feel everyday of the year..and the h.s. basketball talent and level of coaching is extremly high..indiana is a fertile reruiting ground..the last thing to consider is the fans..passionate..crazed..sounds nice eh...wrong..iu fans are loyal to 1 man...bob knight and if ur not him ur the second best for the job in their eyes..and that will b there downfall

[MUSF]

i live in indiana and iu fans are second to craziness only to kentucky..but ihave to say there are only a few coaches in the country who wouldnt take that call and listen to a proposal, 1 being bob knight..iu is spending some serious $$ to upgrade and build all new athletic facilities..when that happens..yes iu=basketball eden for a coach..i am an iu hater, have been since birth..and that will never change..but the iu campus has a rowdy basketball feel everyday of the year..and the h.s. basketball talent and level of coaching is extremly high..indiana is a fertile reruiting ground..the last thing to consider is the fans..passionate..crazed..sounds nice eh...wrong..iu fans are loyal to 1 man...bob knight and if ur not him ur the second best for the job in their eyes..and that will b there downfall

There is no doubt that IU is a great job. However, college basketball is not what it was 20 years ago. You can be successful at a lot of places now that maybe 20 years ago could never compete with a program like IU. The whole "football school" is vastly over-rated and many schools around the country are starting to realize that it doesn't take much, relatively speaking, to establish a good bball program. IU is going to have to bring a lot more than history to the table to lure coaches away from good programs with less tradition.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

i live in indiana and iu fans are second to craziness only to kentucky..but ihave to say there are only a few coaches in the country who wouldnt take that call and listen to a proposal, 1 being bob knight..iu is spending some serious $$ to upgrade and build all new athletic facilities..when that happens..yes iu=basketball eden for a coach..i am an iu hater, have been since birth..and that will never change..but the iu campus has a rowdy basketball feel everyday of the year..and the h.s. basketball talent and level of coaching is extremly high..indiana is a fertile reruiting ground..the last thing to consider is the fans..passionate..crazed..sounds nice eh...wrong..iu fans are loyal to 1 man...bob knight and if ur not him ur the second best for the job in their eyes..and that will b there downfall

There is no doubt that IU is a great job. However, college basketball is not what it was 20 years ago. You can be successful at a lot of places now that maybe 20 years ago could never compete with a program like IU. The whole "football school" is vastly over-rated and many schools around the country are starting to realize that it doesn't take much, relatively speaking, to establish a good bball program. IU is going to have to bring a lot more than history to the table to lure coaches away from good programs with less tradition.

I concur.

Also, I think the UK and IU job are strikingly similar.

Awesome tradition, smart (albeit somewhat crazy) fans, rich donors, great recruiting base and HIGH expectations.

Both are certainly awesome positions, but I'm not sure they are the "be all/end all" that some people claim. With modern day television contracts and the internet, it's possible for mid-sized programs (in big conferences) to develop and become major players.

In the past, television was limited to a small handful on channels... now college hoops is on all sorts of channels... which means teams can recruit and claim to be on TV enough for a recruit to receive exposure and for his family to see him play. Internet coverage also expands the depth so that more than the top 10 programs get the glory.

The world is shrinking, and the college hoops landscape is leveling.

The elite jobs are still probably elite... but I don't think it's a slam dunk like people are claiming. The second tier of top programs are almost as attractive because University, fan and alumni expectations are usually much more reasonable... which can make it a better job and better quality of life.

Is getting paid a million at IU or getting paid 1million at MU a better gig? Nobody knows for sure (all conjecture), but I think it might be closer than we would traditionally think.

[MUSF]

You are dead on 2002.  I would go even further. I don't think recruits care much about tradition and fan base any more. They want to play, be on TV, go to the NBA, and win.  You can do all of that at Memphis now as much as you could at IU and Kentucky. Players have figured this out and coaches are starting to figure it out.

I know that there are traditional powerhouses out there that are still dominant programs. It just seems that fans at IU and Kentucky have fallen in love with their past and think it will ensure future success. Today's coaches and players aren't going to commit to a school because it was great 20 years ago.

[BrewCity83]

Other advantages of MU, for example, over IU or UK:

Games played in an NBA arena.
City of Milwaukee more like home for kids who grew up in urban environment (read: not all white)

[OneMadWarrior]

For one thing this post is ridiculous. For another even if Izzo left for IU Crean wouldn't go wasn't it established last year, that they don't like and will not schedule each other because they are so close. So doesn't that rule Crean out of any Big 11 job unless Izzo were to switch to another conference and school. I am just throwing it out there. Pundits like this just like to throw out names to get people talking. Most people will be unwillign to go anywehre that may have sanctions and high expectations. Look at Alabama football. It was only recently that they were finally able to bring in a big name coach.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Other advantages of MU, for example, over IU or UK:

Games played in an NBA arena.
City of Milwaukee more like home for kids who grew up in urban environment (read: not all white)

Are you serious with that second point? That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this board.

"We have black people in Milwaukee!!! Come and see for yourself!!"

Are you speaking from the experience of growing up in an urban environment?

We all want MU to succeed, but they have no advantages, recruiting-wise, over Kentucky or Indiana. We struggle enough recruiting against Wisconsin for chrissakes!

[DegenerateDish]

UW-Madison has a huge urban environment. Just ask them.

[MUSF]

"Look at Alabama football. It was only recently that they were finally able to bring in a big name coach."

And only after, what, 8 million a year?!
 
 

[OneMadWarrior]

"Look at Alabama football. It was only recently that they were finally able to bring in a big name coach."

And only after, what, 8 million a year?!
 
 

Exactly. Indiana may end up such a mess it takes years to recover. its not that desirable a job.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Other advantages of MU, for example, over IU or UK:

Games played in an NBA arena.
City of Milwaukee more like home for kids who grew up in urban environment (read: not all white)

Are you serious with that second point? That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this board.

"We have black people in Milwaukee!!! Come and see for yourself!!"

Are you speaking from the experience of growing up in an urban environment?

We all want MU to succeed, but they have no advantages, recruiting-wise, over Kentucky or Indiana. We struggle enough recruiting against Wisconsin for chrissakes!

PRNTranslator2000 (patent pending):

"While I agree that MU is an urban environment that may be attractive to some prospective students and players, let's be honest and say that it's probably not a major factor in a recruit's decision. If it was, MU would be able to out-recruit most of the Big 10 very easily... which MU really hasn't been able to do.  UW still pulls their share of "urban" players to play in a slow, methodical system."


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[RawdogDX]

Other advantages of MU, for example, over IU or UK:

Games played in an NBA arena.
City of Milwaukee more like home for kids who grew up in urban environment (read: not all white)

Are you serious with that second point? That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this board.

"We have black people in Milwaukee!!! Come and see for yourself!!"

Are you speaking from the experience of growing up in an urban environment?

We all want MU to succeed, but they have no advantages, recruiting-wise, over Kentucky or Indiana. We struggle enough recruiting against Wisconsin for chrissakes!

I'll speak with experience of growing up in an urban enviroment.  Yes it makes a difference.  Black kids who grew up in an uban setting know that they can find a black barber shop(trust me this is important), radio stations they like, stores which have them as a target market, as well as movie theaters and malls where they don't stand out.  But EVEN if they were white or mexican urban kids. Some kids don't want to go out to the boonies.  A lot of them feel more at home in a city setting with tall buildings, alleys, noise, and street lights.

[lurch91]

PRN, I went to high school with Joanie.   I am assuming she, like everyone else, has grown and matured, but retains certain personality traits from her youth.   I firmly believe she influences TC's decisions.   

I can only think of a handful of people that went to Hackett in little old Kalamazoo MI AND Marquette, and I do believe you are right that she "influences TC's decisions.

*Digs out his yearbook*

Anyone want to see Joani in her Volleyball bun-huggers?

For that matter anyone want to see tower912 in their bun-huggers??