Two Years of Fru?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

My understanding of the proposed 5x5 rule is that a 5 year clock starts after you graduate from a US high school (not sure how prep school factors in here), start college, or turn 19, whichever comes first. The first two are easy to understand, but I wasn't sure about the last. If you turn 19 at the beginning of the season does your clock start that season or the next season? What if your birthday is during the offseason? When is the actual cut off?

If I'm reading the proposal correctly, the clock starts the academic year after a player turns 19. The NCAA academic year begins on August 1st every year. So my interpretation is that if you turned 19 on July 31, 2022 or earlier, your clock started during the 22-23 season. If you turned 19 on August 1, 2022 or later, your clock started during the 23-24 season.

Mr. Fru turned 19 on August 28, 2022. If my understanding is correct that means:
23-24: Fru's first year (in Germany)
24-25: Fru's second year (in Germany)
25-26: Fru's third year (at Louisville)
26-27: Fru's fourth year (in Blue and Gold)
27-28: Fru's fifth year (hopefully also in Blue and Gold)

Anyone have a different understanding if 5x5 passes as expected?

Would love having one of the oldest and most experienced big men in the country for a change.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

This would be another consideration for Sheek as he made his decision.

[Billy Hoyle]

At this point, nobody knows how it will work, when (if) it will be passed, or who it will apply to. There is no legislation pending.

[muwarrior69]

My understanding of the proposed 5x5 rule is that a 5 year clock starts after you graduate from a US high school (not sure how prep school factors in here), start college, or turn 19, whichever comes first. The first two are easy to understand, but I wasn't sure about the last. If you turn 19 at the beginning of the season does your clock start that season or the next season? What if your birthday is during the offseason? When is the actual cut off?

If I'm reading the proposal correctly, the clock starts the academic year after a player turns 19. The NCAA academic year begins on August 1st every year. So my interpretation is that if you turned 19 on July 31, 2022 or earlier, your clock started during the 22-23 season. If you turned 19 on August 1, 2022 or later, your clock started during the 23-24 season.

Mr. Fru turned 19 on August 28, 2022. If my understanding is correct that means:
23-24: Fru's first year (in Germany)
24-25: Fru's second year (in Germany)
25-26: Fru's third year (at Louisville)
26-27: Fru's fourth year (in Blue and Gold)
27-28: Fru's fifth year (hopefully also in Blue and Gold)

Anyone have a different understanding if 5x5 passes as expected?

Would love having one of the oldest and most experienced big men in the country for a change.

How would that affect a player like Nash Walker who did not graduate from a US High School? They (Australia/NewZealand) graduate in December a half year earlier than we do or would the turn 19 rule apply? I know Nash is a RS and that probably will be counted as a year of eligibiilty for him.

So does some kid like Nash get punished a half season because they graduate earlier that we do?

[wadesworld]

This would be another consideration for Sheek as he made his decision.

Nope.  Just 18 being on the roster.

[The Sultan]

My understanding of the proposed 5x5 rule is that a 5 year clock starts after you graduate from a US high school (not sure how prep school factors in here), start college, or turn 19, whichever comes first. The first two are easy to understand, but I wasn't sure about the last. If you turn 19 at the beginning of the season does your clock start that season or the next season? What if your birthday is during the offseason? When is the actual cut off?

If I'm reading the proposal correctly, the clock starts the academic year after a player turns 19. The NCAA academic year begins on August 1st every year. So my interpretation is that if you turned 19 on July 31, 2022 or earlier, your clock started during the 22-23 season. If you turned 19 on August 1, 2022 or later, your clock started during the 23-24 season.

Mr. Fru turned 19 on August 28, 2022. If my understanding is correct that means:
23-24: Fru's first year (in Germany)
24-25: Fru's second year (in Germany)
25-26: Fru's third year (at Louisville)
26-27: Fru's fourth year (in Blue and Gold)
27-28: Fru's fifth year (hopefully also in Blue and Gold)

Anyone have a different understanding if 5x5 passes as expected?

Would love having one of the oldest and most experienced big men in the country for a change.

That is how I interpret this as well.

[The Equalizer]

My understanding of the proposed 5x5 rule is that a 5 year clock starts after you graduate from a US high school (not sure how prep school factors in here), start college, or turn 19, whichever comes first. The first two are easy to understand, but I wasn't sure about the last. If you turn 19 at the beginning of the season does your clock start that season or the next season? What if your birthday is during the offseason? When is the actual cut off?

If I'm reading the proposal correctly, the clock starts the academic year after a player turns 19. The NCAA academic year begins on August 1st every year. So my interpretation is that if you turned 19 on July 31, 2022 or earlier, your clock started during the 22-23 season. If you turned 19 on August 1, 2022 or later, your clock started during the 23-24 season.

Mr. Fru turned 19 on August 28, 2022. If my understanding is correct that means:
23-24: Fru's first year (in Germany)
24-25: Fru's second year (in Germany)
25-26: Fru's third year (at Louisville)
26-27: Fru's fourth year (in Blue and Gold)
27-28: Fru's fifth year (hopefully also in Blue and Gold)

Anyone have a different understanding if 5x5 passes as expected?

Would love having one of the oldest and most experienced big men in the country for a change.

My understanding is that the new rule would beginning with the 2026-27 class, and is not retroactive. It would only apply to athletes starting their college careers under the new model.

That means players like Ben Gold who completed their eligibility under the old rules aren't granted any additional eligibility, and players like Fru who started under the 4-in-5 rule are still governed by it.

[Jay Bee]

My understanding is that the new rule would beginning with the 2026-27 class, and is not retroactive. It would only apply to athletes starting their college careers under the new model.

That means players like Ben Gold who completed their eligibility under the old rules aren't granted any additional eligibility, and players like Fru who started under the 4-in-5 rule are still governed by it.

Bad understanding. what's been proposed is if u have eligibility remaining now you choose the best situation for you

[Billy Hoyle]

How would that affect a player like Nash Walker who did not graduate from a US High School? They (Australia/NewZealand) graduate in December a half year earlier than we do or would the turn 19 rule apply? I know Nash is a RS and that probably will be counted as a year of eligibiilty for him.

So does some kid like Nash get punished a half season because they graduate earlier that we do?

It won't penalize him. That is taken into account already.

[muwarrior69]

It won't penalize him. That is taken into account already.

So Nash can play up to the spring of 2031 or did RSing this spring cost him a year of eligibility?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So Nash can play up to the spring of 2031 or did RSing this spring cost him a year of eligibility?

My understanding is that current players are going to be given a choice to either stay on the old rules or switch to the new rules. In Nashs case,  i think it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.  Either he stays with the old rules which means he gets four more years after last years redshirt. Or he goes to the new rules and his five years clock would've started last year when he enrolled,  giving him four more years. Either way gives him the same number of years.

Maybe they can try to argue that last year shouldn't count towards the five years.

[muwarrior69]

My understanding is that current players are going to be given a choice to either stay on the old rules or switch to the new rules. In Nashs case,  i think it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.  Either he stays with the old rules which means he gets four more years after last years redshirt. Or he goes to the new rules and his five years clock would've started last year when he enrolled,  giving him four more years. Either way gives him the same number of years.

Maybe they can try to argue that last year shouldn't count towards the five years.

The way I see it is that Nash is in the same class as Alex and Ethan and not the same class as NJ, AS, MPIII and Ian. He only joined the team because he graduated 6 months earlier. Will these players have to sit out 6 months before joining their team or give up a half year of playing time to join the team in January.

[The Sultan]

The way I see it is that Nash is in the same class as Alex and Ethan and not the same class as NJ, AS, MPIII and Ian. He only joined the team because he graduated 6 months earlier. Will these players have to sit out 6 months before joining their team or give up a half year of playing time to join the team in January.

It doesn't matter what class he was in. He enrolled.

[muwarrior69]

It doesn't matter what class he was in. He enrolled.

So kids down under only get 4.5 years of eligibility if they enroll right after they graduate but those in the Northern hemisphere get 5.

[Galway Eagle]

It doesn't matter what class he was in. He enrolled.

Does that mean if 4.5yrs in he's still playing he has to stop at finals?

[The Sultan]

So kids down under only get 4.5 years of eligibility if they enroll right after they graduate but those in the Northern hemisphere get 5.

There are not half-seasons of eligibility. Enrolling at semester meant that he used a season of eligibility under either the new or old rules.

Had he waited until this upcoming season to enroll, he would have had five years assuming the new rule passes.

[brewcity77]

I don't think this is right. It's not the year after you turn 19, it's the year you turn 19. So you would likely have to include 2022-23 as the first eligible year. If they could demonstrate that Fru didn't reach the equivalent of high school graduation until 2023, they might be able to make this case. But as he was finishing his third year of professional basketball at Braunschweig in 2023, that might be a tough sell.

I'd love to get two years of him, I just don't see the case.

[Jay Bee]

I don't think this is right. It's not the year after you turn 19, it's the year you turn 19. So you would likely have to include 2022-23 as the first eligible year. If they could demonstrate that Fru didn't reach the equivalent of high school graduation until 2023, they might be able to make this case. But as he was finishing his third year of professional basketball at Braunschweig in 2023, that might be a tough sell.

I'd love to get two years of him, I just don't see the case.

It will likely be the EARLIEST of high school graduation or turning age 19. You say, "it's the year you turn 19" but I'm not sure on this --- do we have any draft language or similar NCAA rules around language we can find?

Let's say it's based on the day he turned 19.. which I think was August 28, 2022... does that mean any academic year that begins in 2022.. or season that begins in 2022.. what about spring sports? I'm not clear on what the rule would be. Can't imagine it's institution-specific.. I think in 2022 MU started fall classes on 8/29, a day after he turned 19...  but there have been years where we started, say, on 8/25.

I think you're hunch is probably correct -- e.g., getting an additional year appears difficult.. but I'm curious on what the exact rule would be.

But.. another angle.. could he (even now/soon with some weird transition rule) apply for a waiver regardless of what the new rules become.. ?

I'm going with "it appears to be a tough climb" but I'm not at "it's a no go".

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I don't think this is right. It's not the year after you turn 19, it's the year you turn 19. So you would likely have to include 2022-23 as the first eligible year. If they could demonstrate that Fru didn't reach the equivalent of high school graduation until 2023, they might be able to make this case. But as he was finishing his third year of professional basketball at Braunschweig in 2023, that might be a tough sell.

I'd love to get two years of him, I just don't see the case.

Do you have a link? Every thing I've read says academic year after a player turns 19.

If it's the academic year you turn 19 then Quinn Ellis for example would not be eligible to play for st. Johns.

[Jay Bee]

Do you have a link? Every thing I've read says academic year after a player turns 19.

It seems so simple, but I honestly don't know what 'academic year' means for purposes of applying such rules. There must be some examples out there??

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

It seems so simple, but I honestly don't know what 'academic year' means for purposes of applying such rules. There must be some examples out there??

I'm assuming (dangerous I know) that it would be the ncaa academic year.  I'm not sure what else they could use. Like you pointed out, i can't see them using individual institutions academic years.

[brewcity77]

Do you have a link? Every thing I've read says academic year after a player turns 19.

If it's the academic year you turn 19 then Quinn Ellis for example would not be eligible to play for st. Johns.

Speaking for Marquette, the first academic year after Fru's 19th birthday began on August 29, 2022.

For Ellis, the first academic year after his 19th birthday (4/1/2022) would also be 2022-23, so he would get 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, & end his career in 2026-27.

The NCAA will eventually have to provide clarity, but it seems like anyone who was 19 years old and a pro in 2022-23 would exhaust their eligibility this year.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Speaking for Marquette, the first academic year after Fru's 19th birthday began on August 29, 2022.

For Ellis, the first academic year after his 19th birthday (4/1/2022) would also be 2022-23, so he would get 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, & end his career in 2026-27.

The NCAA will eventually have to provide clarity, but it seems like anyone who was 19 years old and a pro in 2022-23 would exhaust their eligibility this year.

The NCAA has a standard academic year that begins on August 1st every year. I can't imagine them allowing every institution to have a different schedule. Maybe they try to create specific schedules for each sport, but I think most likely they default to the standard academic year. If that ends up being true, Ellis and Fru are in two different academic years.

[MU82]

Even if he's eligible to play college ball in 2027-28, why would Fru agree to back up 18 for 2 years?

[94Warrior]

At this point, nobody knows how it will work, when (if) it will be passed, or who it will apply to. There is no legislation pending.

Agreed.  No need to speculate how we think it will/should work.  Because, it rarely turns out how anyone believes it should.

[Jay Bee]

Agreed.  No need to speculate how ww think it will/should work.  Because, it rarely turns out how anyone believes it should.

I think it's actually extremely close and almost a #donedeal with details unlikely to move much if at all.

[SchnitzelBoy]

It would be awesome to have him for 2 years. 2027-28 roster:

Nigel (jr)
Adrien (jr)
Minessale (sr)
Royce (sr)
Fru (sr)

Damarius (sr)
MPIII (sr)
Egbuonu (soph)
Colton (soph)
Josh Clark (jr)
Ian (soph)
Nash (soph)

If all of those guys (or even the majority) were on that roster and get close to their projected ceilings, that's a squad that could make a DEEP run.

[Jay Bee]

It would be awesome to have him for 2 years. 2027-28 roster:

Nigel (jr)
Adrien (jr)
Minessale (sr)
Royce (sr)
Fru (sr)

Damarius (sr)
MPIII (sr)
Egbuonu (soph)
Colton (soph)
Josh Clark (jr)
Ian (soph)
Nash (soph)

If all of those guys (or even the majority) were on that roster and get close to their projected ceilings, that's a squad that could make a DEEP run.

Who's MPIII? If you mean MPII, why is he listed as a Sr?

[brewcity77]

Who's MPIII? If you mean MPII, why is he listed as a Sr?

MPIII is a player.

[BrewCity83]

The NCAA has a standard academic year that begins on August 1st every year. I can't imagine them allowing every institution to have a different schedule. Maybe they try to create specific schedules for each sport, but I think most likely they default to the standard academic year.

Agreed.  If every school was allowed a different academic calendar, players born near the cutoff could use up their eligibility at one school, then transfer to a school with a later date academic year.  I can't see this being the NCAA's intent.

[The Sultan]

My understanding of the proposed 5x5 rule is that a 5 year clock starts after you graduate from a US high school (not sure how prep school factors in here), start college, or turn 19, whichever comes first. The first two are easy to understand, but I wasn't sure about the last. If you turn 19 at the beginning of the season does your clock start that season or the next season? What if your birthday is during the offseason? When is the actual cut off?

If I'm reading the proposal correctly, the clock starts the academic year after a player turns 19. The NCAA academic year begins on August 1st every year. So my interpretation is that if you turned 19 on July 31, 2022 or earlier, your clock started during the 22-23 season. If you turned 19 on August 1, 2022 or later, your clock started during the 23-24 season.

Mr. Fru turned 19 on August 28, 2022. If my understanding is correct that means:
23-24: Fru's first year (in Germany)
24-25: Fru's second year (in Germany)
25-26: Fru's third year (at Louisville)
26-27: Fru's fourth year (in Blue and Gold)
27-28: Fru's fifth year (hopefully also in Blue and Gold)

Anyone have a different understanding if 5x5 passes as expected?

Would love having one of the oldest and most experienced big men in the country for a change.

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2026/5/22/media-center-division-i-cabinet-continues-discussions-of-age-based-collegiate-eligibility-model.aspx

So, in reading this, we may only get one year of Fru.

"If adopted, the age-based eligibility model would replace current eligibility rules in Division I, instead allowing student-athletes up to five years of competition within their chosen sport during a five-year window that begins the academic year following their high school graduation or their 19th birthday, whichever occurs first."

Did he graduate high school before he turned 19?  Does that matter for international students?

[Jay Bee]

We may get zero years.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2026/5/22/media-center-division-i-cabinet-continues-discussions-of-age-based-collegiate-eligibility-model.aspx

So, in reading this, we may only get one year of Fru.

"If adopted, the age-based eligibility model would replace current eligibility rules in Division I, instead allowing student-athletes up to five years of competition within their chosen sport during a five-year window that begins the academic year following their high school graduation or their 19th birthday, whichever occurs first."

Did he graduate high school before he turned 19?  Does that matter for international students?

My understanding is that Fru will go by his 19th birthday, not high school graduation.

Key will be the definition of "academic year" and "following".

I still hold that they will create one standard cut off for all schools and all sports. The NCAAs goal is to make this black and white, no need for waivers. That requires a universal standard. I think they will use the NCAA academic year which runs 8/1 to 7/31 every year.  The article seems to signal this is the case as they mention that if this is adopted, no waivers will be available starting 8/1.

"Following" to me means "the year after" meaning if you turned 19 during the 22-23 academic year (as Fru did) your clock started during the 23-24 academic year. Maybe the NCAA uses some other weird defintion.

I think the intent for choosing 19 is to accommodate for international and prep school players.  While we traditionally think of college frsehmen as 18 year olds who turn 19 during their first year,  it's not uncommon for college freshman from overseas and prep schools to be 19 years olds who turn 20 during their first year.

I still believe that if this is adopted, Fru will have 2 more years.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Double post

[Uncle Rico]

We may get zero years.

Yup.  Once he gets to fall camp and sees the minutes planned for Caedin, he gowne.  Probably to UConn

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Double post

I'll interpret this as Caedin and Fru are both starting.

[GoFastAndWin]

The FRU is rusting on the vine.
The FRU is calling from the trees.
Hey, don't ya wanna go down?!
Like some junkie cosmonaut?!


Break out the Merkt's 🇩🇪 cheese 🧀 and Cracker(s), MU is about to thrive down LOW!

[JoanofArcMascot]

This would be another consideration for Sheek as he made his decision.

I wonder who will be better: Fru in his fifth year and second at Marquette or Sheek in his third year and second at SLU?

[Uncle Rico]

I wonder who will be better: Fru in his fifth year and second at Marquette or Sheek in his third year and second at SLU?

Why?

[Jay Bee]

I wonder who will be better: Fru in his fifth year and second at Marquette or Sheek in his third year and second at SLU?

No. The question is 18 in year 5 vs Sheek year 3.

[wadesworld]

No. The question is 18 in year 5 vs Sheek year 3.

Shaka has proven nothing if not stubbornly leaving upper classmen in roles they don't deserve.  That's why Sean Jones took the starting PG spot back when he returned from injury, as correctly predicted by GE03, and why Adrien Stevens could never get minutes because Zaide Lowry blocked him all year.

It's a fun schtick so I'll have fun playing along.  Sheek being scared of Caedin Hamilton means Sheek must suck a$$.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

No. The question is 18 in year 5 vs Sheek year 3.

[wadesworld]

Let him cook.

[MU82]

Schtick.

[Jay Bee]

Sheek being scared of Caedin Hamilton means Sheek must suck a$$.

Not scared. Simply frustrated that minutes are going to be handed over for unknown reasons.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Let him cook.

[MU82]

Can't believe Fru agreed to play for a coach who's gonna give 36+ minutes of PT every game to 18.