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Shaka Shart

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on May 28, 2026, 08:56:24 AMfound Lucroy's burner.

base stealers didn't have that problem usually
#BanGBWarrior

Uncle Rico

Owners have proposed a hard cap of $245 million with player benefits included.  Floor is $171 million according to Jeff Passan.
Don Kojis dominated plumbers and dentists

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2026, 03:23:42 PMOwners have proposed a hard cap of $245 million with player benefits included.  Floor is $171 million according to Jeff Passan.
Seems like a legit opening proposal in line with other pro leagues. Maybe MLB can avoid a strike/lock-out. Maybe?

TallTitan34

Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2026, 03:23:42 PMOwners have proposed a hard cap of $245 million with player benefits included.  Floor is $171 million according to Jeff Passan.

Not bad!

Currently six teams above that cap:
1) Mets $334
2) Dodgers $301
3) Yankees $291
4) Blue Jays $283
5) Phillies $281
6) Braves $267

And 15 teams below that floor.  Several well below that floor.

Seems like that players would come out ahead in this scenario.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll

WhiteTrash

Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 28, 2026, 03:57:31 PMNot bad!

Currently six teams above that cap:
1) Mets $334
2) Dodgers $301
3) Yankees $291
4) Blue Jays $283
5) Phillies $281
6) Braves $267

And 15 teams below that floor.  Several well below that floor.

Seems like that players would come out ahead in this scenario.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll
I think the biggest winners will be fans due to competitive balance. Overall MLB players have received about 50% of the revenue without a floor.

I think, real or perceived, competitive balance could drive better fan engagement that the NFL figured out a long time ago and that has enriched the owners and players.


Uncle Rico

Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 28, 2026, 04:06:51 PMI think the biggest winners will be fans due to competitive balance. Overall MLB players have received about 50% of the revenue without a floor.

I think, real or perceived, competitive balance could drive better fan engagement that the NFL figured out a long time ago and that has enriched the owners and players.

No chance the cap ceiling is accepted.  Zero
Don Kojis dominated plumbers and dentists

MU82

Owners want the players to save them from themselves.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Jockey

Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2026, 04:19:18 PMNo chance the cap ceiling is accepted.  Zero

1000% correct.

The Sultan

Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2026, 04:19:18 PMNo chance the cap ceiling is accepted.  Zero

They are trying to win the PR game when they lock out the players in six months.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

WhiteTrash

Quote from: MU82 on May 28, 2026, 04:53:10 PMOwners want the players to save them from themselves.
That statement doesn't hold up to the facts.

The proposal mirrors the NFL, NBA and NHL plus they have been getting 50% of revenue without a floor and cap. Unless you are predicting a historically unprecedented spending spree, your statement is untrue.

It would appear to me that a more owners will be upset with the proposal than players. 

The Sultan

Players have already said it's a non starter. It's all jockeying for position at this point.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

WhiteTrash

Quote from: The Sultan on May 28, 2026, 07:48:54 PMPlayers have already said it's a non starter. It's all jockeying for position at this point.
I am not predicting that the players will accept the proposal. But it is hard to argue that it is not fair in light of the current revenue sharing and what other leagues have in place.

The Sultan

Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 28, 2026, 07:59:54 PMI am not predicting that the players will accept the proposal. But it is hard to argue that it is not fair in light of the current revenue sharing and what other leagues have in place.

Why should the players care about other leagues?
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Sultan on May 28, 2026, 08:16:29 PMWhy should the players care about other leagues?

No one will fight harder to protect owners than White Trash
Don Kojis dominated plumbers and dentists

The Sultan

Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2026, 08:25:45 PMNo one will fight harder to protect owners than White Trash

In his defense, fighting for the interests of billionaires is a worthy cause.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Shaka Shart

The irony is thick with a floor proposal being significantly over what Jerry's payroll is
#BanGBWarrior

WhiteTrash

Quote from: The Sultan on May 28, 2026, 08:43:33 PMIn his defense, fighting for the interests of billionaires is a worthy cause.

Current revenue split = 50%
Proposed revenue split = 50%

The players are happy with the current system and the proposed system does what to the players' cut of the revenue?


GB Warrior

Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 28, 2026, 09:12:12 PMCurrent revenue split = 50%
Proposed revenue split = 50%

The players are happy with the current system and the proposed system does what to the players' cut of the revenue?



Are there changes to what gets included in revenue? That's part of the game

WhiteTrash

Quote from: GB Warrior on May 28, 2026, 10:39:34 PMAre there changes to what gets included in revenue? That's part of the game
I have no idea, and I wouldn't put it past the owner to try a sneaky move.

I'm assuming everything is on the up and up. If so, the overall concept seems fair and a real attempt to avoid a stoppage.

However the group of 1%'ers split it up is their business, but I like the concept of creating more balance without costing the players money.

MU82

Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 28, 2026, 07:43:50 PMThat statement doesn't hold up to the facts.

The proposal mirrors the NFL, NBA and NHL plus they have been getting 50% of revenue without a floor and cap. Unless you are predicting a historically unprecedented spending spree, your statement is untrue.

It would appear to me that a more owners will be upset with the proposal than players. 

Players won't accept a salary cap. What don't you get?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

WhiteTrash

Quote from: MU82 on May 28, 2026, 11:10:22 PMPlayers won't accept a salary cap. What don't you get?
My friend, you are not reading my posts.

It is okay, I'm used to my wife and kids not listening to me also. :D 

MU82

From Yahoo Sports:

A couple accidentally showed up to a Diamondbacks-Giants game earlier this month with tickets to the following night's game. So they bought two tickets to the game they showed up for and ended up catching Willy Adames' home run ball. Then they came back the next night with their original tickets ... and caught another Adames home run ball!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

WhiteTrash

As further evidence that I believe the owners are negotiating in good faith; from Jeff Passan of ESPY "12 lower-spending teams would add $617 million to reach the floor while eight higher-spending teams would cut $578 million to get under the cap "

The union may be justified to pass on the offer, but it appears to be a legitimate proposal from the owners.

MU82

From The Athletics' Ken Rosenthal:

The league wants both a hard cap and floor, insisting in a statement that "fans in too many markets have too little hope their team has a fair chance to win." That's what this is all about, the league keeps telling us. Bowing to the wishes of fans who "overwhelmingly" support a cap, out of the goodness of the owners' hearts.

Please.

I'm sure fans want lower ticket prices and lower beer prices, too, but the owners aren't about to introduce those, are they? No, the owners act only when it's in their financial interests.

A cap that fixes costs and enhances franchise values is most definitely in the owners' interests. Missing games, the possible cost of all this, is not. How about asking fans if they want that?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

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