Fun Facts re: DePaul game

[GoldenEagles03]

With? He had an ORtg of 45, efg% of 20.0%, 32% to rate, didn't get to the line, only 7% assist rate in those BET tourney.

If we're giving out 2026-27 PT because of appearances in games, bring everyone back. smh

It's a backup PG role. I'd rather have a 5th year player getting PT than a Freshman. We could do a lot worse than Sean playing for 8 minutes behind Nigel.

The bigger concern is our center and wing scorer. We need major upgrades there. Like locked and loaded Big East starter caliber.

[#UnleashJosh]

Sean played 9 minutes in each of the Big East Championship Tournament games as a Freshman, so I sort of disagree there. Sean can be a backup point guard for a good team, I just don't see why he would want to at this point.

But if a 5th year player wants to stay to play 8-10 minutes a game there would be no issue with that.

Sean is 100% gone and made his intentions known to Shaka very early after being benched.

[willie warrior]

What is the upside to doing this? Warm and fuzzies? I'd much rather bring in a lottery ticket late bloomer and leave a spot open for a midseason transfer than waste it on two guys that should have never made a high major roster.

We are not a high major anymore.

[Pakuni]

It's a backup PG role. I'd rather have a 5th year player getting PT than a Freshman.

This is an interesting take, given that this team's best player right now is a freshman point guard.

[The Sultan]

We are not a high major anymore.

Oh just shut up...good lord you are so miserable.

[wadesworld]

Are you suggesting Shaka is going to approach them with an offer akin to "You can stay, but your pay is being reduced to $0."
That seems the equivalent of getting cut - perhaps even worse - and they'd be unlikely to stay under those circumstances.
Even then, it could prevent the kind of changes necessary because those are roster spots that may be needed. Unless you're thinking Zaide's spot and maybe SJ's are definitely enough? I would disagree with that.

I'm talking more in general of having a 14th and 15th roster spot being used on somebody who probably never contributes to on court production in Big East games.  Whether that's Caedin next year after maybe two of Sean/Tre/Josh leave and we fill the 3 open spots with BE starting/rotational players, or 2 years from now taking another shot on a 7 footer with no high or mid major interest like Josh and seeing if he can develop while being an end of bench guy.

The claim here is that Caedin isn't a D1 player.  So if Shaka told him his options are either keep his scholarship, get his degree at Marquette, but he can't offer him any NIL money, or Shaka can help him find the best landing spot possible for him.  If those options are play D2 basketball where he'll get no NIL money or be a bench EGB and be on scholarship but get no NIL money, I don't think having a guy like Caedin as the 15th scholarship player getting no NIL money will ruin Marquette's season next year (again, this is with the assumption that a couple other players are gone and Shaka adds 3 high level transfers).

[GoldenEagles03]

This is an interesting take, given that this team's best player right now is a freshman point guard.

Nigel is a unicorn in that regard.

I'd rather have a 5th year guy running the show for very limited minutes than another guy thrown into the fire. At the end of the day it isn't a huge deal as our greater concerns are still the center and wing scorer.

[Pakuni]

Nigel is a unicorn in that regard.

I'd rather have a 5th year guy running the show for very limited minutes than another guy thrown into the fire. At the end of the day it isn't a huge deal as our greater concerns are still the center and wing scorer.

Is he, though?
Tony Miller was a stud as a freshman. Dominic James was a stud as a freshman. I have little doubt Travis Diener could have started, and was still an elite backup as a freshman. Aaron Hutchins was a capable backup to Tony Miller his freshman year.
Seems we've had plenty of unicorns around these parts.
Maybe the most important thing is the quality of the player, not how many years he's been in college.

[Jay Bee]

Is he, though?
Tony Miller was a stud as a freshman. Dominic James was a stud as a freshman. I have little doubt Travis Diener could have started, and was still an elite backup as a freshman. Aaron Hutchins was a capable backup to Tony Miller his freshman year.
Seems we've had plenty of unicorns around these parts.
Maybe the most important thing is the quality of the player, not how many years he's been in college.

Ahem. Markus.

[Pakuni]

Ahem. Markus.

I thought of him, but he really wasn't running the point, at least not his first year.

[Jay Bee]

I thought of him, but he really wasn't running the point, at least not his first year.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Not a true point guard. Lol. So stupid.

Shame on the Bob Cousy Award folks for naming him one of the nation's top point guards. Top assist rate of regulars on the team as a frosh.

[Pakuni]

Oh yeah, I forgot. Not a true point guard. Lol. So stupid.

I didn't say this.

Shame on the Bob Cousy Award folks for naming him one of the nation's top point guards.

His junior year.

[Jay Bee]

I didn't say this.

Ehh, you said AT LEAST this, but maybe more.

Don't feel alone. Lots of you weirdos who hate to acknowledge Markus played point at all.

[Pakuni]

Ehh, you said AT LEAST this, but maybe more.

Don't feel alone. Lots of you weirdos who hate to acknowledge Markus played point at all.

I mean, I can find multiple instances in the archives of me referring to Markus as a point guard.
Like here, when someone questioned why Wojo didn't recruit point guards.

    Quote from: bilsu on December 05, 2017, 04:35:09 PM

    What I find ironic is Wojo, who was a point guard, has trouble recruiting point guards.


Wojo's first recruiting class included 4-star PG Traci Carter.
Wojo's second recruiting class included 4-star PG Markus Howard.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54971.msg967771#msg967771

Or here, when someone said Markus was a great player, but awful point guard:

  Quote from: #UnleashKolek on December 18, 2021, 03:37:58 PM


  2. Markus was a great player, Markus was an absolutely awful pg. You cam be both.




2. This makes no sense. What you're really trying to say is that Markus wasn't a certain type of narrowly defined point guard. Neither was Iverson. But he played the point.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=62628.msg1397341#msg1397341

[Jay Bee]

OK. I partially forgive you.

[Scoop Snoop]

OK. I partially forgive you.

Wait! What about "Lenten prayers"? The season of repentance and forgiveness? What would Jesus do?

[Jay Bee]

Wait! What about "Lenten prayers"? The season of repentance and forgiveness? What would Jesus do?

"No angel on my shoulder, just two devils
Feeding chemicals, pushing blood past legal levels"

[jfp61]

In the last 4 games....

Marquette has played their 4th worst game of the season againist a bad Xavier team giving up 1.331 PPP.

And then Marquette played their 2nd worst game of the season againist Depaul scoring 0.806 ppp.

This roster needs to be nuked.

[Pakuni]

In the last 4 games....

Marquette has played their 4th worst game of the season againist a bad Xavier team giving up 1.331 PPP.

And then Marquette played their 2nd worst game of the season againist Depaul scoring 0.806 ppp.

This roster needs to be nuked.

So ... not a bubble team?

[Vander Blue Man Group]

1. That's a red herring.
2. Yes, developing 15 players requires either more time and energy than 12, or a reduction in the amount of time/energy spent developing each individual player. This shouldn't even be controversial. Every additional employee I take on as a manager necessitates that I either spend less time and energy with one of my existing employees or I work more hours.

Why yes, I do believe developing and conducting an in-depth strength-and-conditioning program for 15 people requires more time and energy than for 12 people. Again, not controversial.

You used the word "burden".  2-3 additional players hardly creates a burden on the academic, strength & conditioning, and coaching staffs with the right planning in place. 

Do you honestly believe the presence of Hamilton and Tre have adversely impacted Nigel and Royce's growth on the court and in the weight room, for example?

Additionally, it all depends on individual context and player needs.  You used a real-life managerial example. I've had instances where a larger team was easier and more efficient to manage than a smaller team.  There are no absolutes.

This is high-level basketball.  Marquette can accommodate 13-15 scholarship players without it having an adverse impact on winning.

[BM1090]

In the last 4 games....

Marquette has played their 4th worst game of the season againist a bad Xavier team giving up 1.331 PPP.

And then Marquette played their 2nd worst game of the season againist Depaul scoring 0.806 ppp.

This roster needs to be nuked.

That Xavier game wasn't even in the top 5 bad games this season.

[Pakuni]

You used the word "burden".  2-3 additional players hardly creates a burden on the academic, strength & conditioning, and coaching staffs with the right planning in place.  .

I didn't say creates a burden. I said increases the burden.

burden
noun
1
a: something that is carried : load
b: duty, responsibility


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/burden

[Vander Blue Man Group]

burden
noun
1
a: something that is carried : load
b: duty, responsibility


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/burden

bur-den
noun

1) a heavy load that you carry

2) something difficult or unpleasant that you have to deal with or worry about

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/burden

Burden in and of itself has a negative connotation.  There is no reason to think managing a roster of 12 kids is a "burden" to begin with.  I guarantee Shaka and Todd Smith don't look at it that way.  I doubt the academic staff does, either.

You've become insufferable lately.

[Pakuni]

bur-den
noun

1) a heavy load that you carry

2) something difficult or unpleasant that you have to deal with or worry about

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/burden

Burden in and of itself has a negative connotation.  There is no reason to think managing a roster of 12 kids is a "burden" to begin with.  I guarantee Shaka and Todd Smith don't look at it that way.  I doubt the academic staff does, either.

You've become insufferable lately.

OK.

[Mu8891]

61 - but ... wait ... we have ( or had ) posters here say they need a player or two ! MU is almost a bubble team ...lol. 

You're right ... this roster is AWFUL... they need 3 or 4 players.

But don't hold your breath on coach
Hubris