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BM1090

Quote from: Pakuni on Today at 12:51:44 PMI say this not to weigh in on which is worst - potayto/potahto - but last year's starting lineup for the first month or so featured three seniors, a junior and a redshirt sophomore. They weren't really a young team until a combination of injuries, poor play and a transfer required it.

Fair point.

willie warrior

Quote from: Pakuni on Today at 12:04:26 PMLooking forward to the day when wins and losses are replaced in the record books by KenPom and Torvik rankings.

(That likely reads harsher than I intended ... just think it's a bad way to measure best/worst seasons when you have wins and losses right in front of you).
Yes. The seasons should not be rated by record. Better would be Achievement/Participation Badges with various colors.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

willie warrior

Quote from: Pakuni on Today at 12:04:26 PMLooking forward to the day when wins and losses are replaced in the record books by KenPom and Torvik rankings.

(That likely reads harsher than I intended ... just think it's a bad way to measure best/worst seasons when you have wins and losses right in front of you).
Yes. The seasons should not be rated by record. Better would be Achievement/Participation Badges with various colors.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

willie warrior

Quote from: Pakuni on Today at 12:04:26 PMLooking forward to the day when wins and losses are replaced in the record books by KenPom and Torvik rankings.

(That likely reads harsher than I intended ... just think it's a bad way to measure best/worst seasons when you have wins and losses right in front of you).
Yes. Seasons should not be rated on season records. Better to award Achievement/Participation ribbons of various colors
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

willie warrior

That needed to be said at least 3 times so Reeker could get the point.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

tower912

Operative phrase being first half of the year.

During the first half of the season, MU's struggles came down to two things.  Making lay ups (the Chicago St of lay up percentage) and playing poor defense.  Caedin was A part of that, but everybody stunk.  Sean, Chase, Zaide (missed 7 in a game.  First domino in his saga) Tre, NJ, AS, Royce, everybody.
  MU's defense, IMO, was the worst of the Shaka era from November through early January.  Switching and help were disasters.  Basic principles not  followed. 
  Chase wasn't able to step into the Batman role (how many blown game tying/winning shots), and neither Sean nor Zaide were capable of being Robin.  And in my 42 years of following MU hoops, with one exception (hello, Key/Mac/Amal), the success of MU's seasons are related to how good the guard play is. Last year was no exception. Sean, Tre, and Zaide are gone.
  I am glad Nolan transferred in and would have liked another guard.  With all of the wings, I would be stunned if Shaka started all 3 of his guards.  The starting a wing and bringing a capable guard off the bench makes so much more sense.

Good health at guard = good season.  Back up center?  Meh.
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Oldgym

Quote from: willie warrior on Today at 12:59:38 PMThat needed to be said at least 3 times so Reeker could get the point.

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tower912

Quote from: Oldgym on Today at 01:11:01 PMRent free. The offseason must get lonely.
No more lonely than in season.
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MUbiz

Quote from: tower912 on Today at 01:00:19 PMOperative phrase being first half of the year.

During the first half of the season, MU's struggles came down to two things.  Making lay ups (the Chicago St of lay up percentage) and playing poor defense.



I would add a third reason for the struggles - MUBB was #286 in nation in 3 percentage - 31.8% - mostly because of our seniors.

That hopefully changes this coming year where we have what appears to be some decent shooters - can NJ and AS and MP2 replicate last year shooting wise?

MU82

Quote from: MUbiz on Today at 02:04:15 PMI would add a third reason for the struggles - MUBB was #286 in nation in 3 percentage - 31.8% - mostly because of our seniors.

Yeah, it was absolutely crazy that Kam and Jop couldn't make 3s as seniors, and then Ross and Gold couldn't make 3s as seniors.

The common thread for each situation, I guess, was 18 being on the roster.  8-)
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tower912

Quote from: MUbiz on Today at 02:04:15 PMI would add a third reason for the struggles - MUBB was #286 in nation in 3 percentage - 31.8% - mostly because of our seniors.

That hopefully changes this coming year where we have what appears to be some decent shooters - can NJ and AS and MP2 replicate last year shooting wise?
Poor 3 pt shooting was a constant.  Like the previous season.  And a disappointment.   IMO, competitive vs noncompetitive came down to brutal lay up shooting vs average lay up shooting.  Particularly since MU was getting the shots that made previous teams successful.   And bricking them.   
Matthew 25: 31-46

Galway Eagle

Quote from: tower912 on Today at 01:00:19 PMin my 42 years of following MU hoops, with one exception (hello, Key/Mac/Amal), the success of MU's seasons are related to how good the guard play is.

I'm not sure 2019 fits with this, it was the play of two forwards that destroyed our season while the guard continued to be stellar.

Pretty sure you could say 2010 was successful mostly due to forwards.

But agreed with the larger point just being nitpicky.
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Galway Eagle

Quote from: BM1090 on Today at 11:40:40 AMLast season seemed worse but was actually the same Kenpom result as Wojo's first and last year. We finished 83rd all three years.

I think when we're splitting hairs about how bad of a year it was it's less about advance stat ranking and more about the optics of 20 Ls
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TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Pakuni on Today at 12:04:26 PMLooking forward to the day when wins and losses are replaced in the record books by KenPom and Torvik rankings.

(That likely reads harsher than I intended ... just think it's a bad way to measure best/worst seasons when you have wins and losses right in front of you).

Are wins and losses the best way to measure best/worst seasons when strength of schedule differs wildly from year to year and even more wildly from era to era?

I'm not dismissing that W/Ls aren't an important part of the conversation. But I think relying on them solely is misleading. For example, I'd agree Wojo's second year was "better" despite a lower KenPom rating because they went 20-13. But it's also true that 12 of those 20 wins came against low majors and DePaul and St. John's teams that went a combined 4-32 in conference play. I could hear an argument that if the teams traded schedules, that you would have opposite results.
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tower912

Quote from: Galway Eagle on Today at 02:20:59 PMI'm not sure 2019 fits with this, it was the play of two forwards that destroyed our season while the guard continued to be stellar.

Pretty sure you could say 2010 was successful mostly due to forwards.

But agreed with the larger point just being nitpicky.

I recognize that JFB and Jae were positionless switchables, but I consider them guards.  Agreed, pretty fine hairs to split.

But you can have that one if you want.
Matthew 25: 31-46

muwarrior69

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on Today at 02:28:03 PMAre wins and losses the best way to measure best/worst seasons when strength of schedule differs wildly from year to year and even more wildly from era to era?

I'm not dismissing that W/Ls aren't an important part of the conversation. But I think relying on them solely is misleading. For example, I'd agree Wojo's second year was "better" despite a lower KenPom rating because they went 20-13. But it's also true that 12 of those 20 wins came against low majors and DePaul and St. John's teams that went a combined 4-32 in conference play. I could hear an argument that if the teams traded schedules, that you would have opposite results.
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